China to bid on US high-speed rail projects

[The Northerner]

Source: Associated Press

BEIJING (AP) -- China plans to bid for contracts to build U.S. high-speed train lines and is stepping up exports of rail technology to Europe and Latin America, a government official said on Saturday.

China has built 4,000 miles (6,500 kilometers) of high-speed rail for its own train system and President Barack Obama issued a pledge in November with his Chinese counterpart, Hu Jintao, to cooperate in developing the technology.

"We are organizing relevant companies to participate in bidding for U.S. high-speed railways," Wang Zhiguo, a deputy railways minister, told a news conference.

Wang gave no details of where China's railway builders might seek contracts, but systems are planned in California, Florida and Illinois. He said state-owned Chinese companies already are building high-speed lines in Turkey and Venezuela.

Read more: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/China-to-bid-on-US-highspeed-apf-4135137999.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=3&asset=&ccode=

[theoldman]

1. We need to export a few more jobs.

Most of our manufacturing jobs are gone, why not export our technology. We can still work at fast food restaurants.

[karynnj]

3. Sorry - but it is not OUR technology

We are far behind both China, which has 200 mpg and 300 mpg trains, we have precisely 18 miles of the DC to Boston track capable of doing the high speed (in the 100s) rail - because though the trains are capable the train bed isn't.

But, this doesn't say they will get the job, it says they might bid on it. I hope there are good American companies that bid as well.

[theoldman]

5. If you mean that they are ahead of us in rail technology, I agree.

[karynnj]

8. That was what I was saying

We really need to increase our funding of all types of technology.

[liberation]

21. They are not ahead of any body

Their home grown high speed train tech are at least one to two generations behind Japanese and European systems. Their fastest rail is in Shanghai and it is a German MagLev.

Why would anyone keep on giving contracts to Chinese companies is beyond me. China has an abysmal track record of respecting other people's intellectual property in technology. Even considering Chinese submissions to the proposal is counter productive, since it sends the signal that the Chinese can steal other nation's designs and not have to suffer in the international market. If china wants to copy other people's design and tech, so be it. But they should not be rewarded with contracts in the USA after the damage their actions does to our own technology (and those from allies who have our back, something the Chinese are sure not to provide).

[HeresyLives]

23. Actually they are.

They use Japanese, Canadian and German tech.

[liberation]

29. Hum, no offense but can you re-read and comprehend what *you* just wrote there?

LOL

[HeresyLives]

30. Yes, I just get tired explaining this all the time.

See, this is the thing in the knowledge economy...tech knowledge is passed around all the time, and gets better each step of the way.

[liberation]

32. And yet that has nothing to do with what I just asked you to do...

the Chinese are using other people's tech, yet they are ahead of the same people whose tech they are using and depend on. I am sorry, but I just can't follow your train of thought (pun intended).

BTW, the Chinese just opened their first long distance high speed link. Whereas the Japanese, French and Germans have been operating faster and larger high speed networks for decades. If we are going to subsidize the Chinese to gain more experience than the little they have in comparison to other countries, might as well skip the middle man and do it ourselves...

[HeresyLives]

37. Done this a dozen times at least.

The Chinese invented the basis of much of what we have today...paper, printing press, oil wells, cannon, rudders, compass....and everybody built on the knowledge. That's the neat thing about knowledge...it grows.

Amazingly enough, the 'west' is a beneficiary of this...not the inventor of it. But they are always trying to claim credit for everything.

China has built trains for a very long time, and they pay others to add to it

The Chinese built the highest train in the world to Llasa Tibet...American engine, Canadian PBS cars, Chinese passenger cars...it's economics, plain and simple.

They have built a huge rail system in China...they use their own tech, and also buy from Japan and Germany and other countries when it's more economical to do so.

Instead of trying a pissing contest, you could just learn from others. It's what everyone else does.

[liberation]

47. No need to fish for more red herring

Every nation and culture has invented stuff which has contributed to the rest of the world. That is not the point, and that is not definitively something exclusive to the Chinese.

So again what is your point? The Germans have the fastest train technology, the French have the fastest regular lines, and the Indians have the largest railroad network. What is your point?

The chinese are relatively new comers to the high speed train game. Thus it makes no sense for us to subsidice those with just slightly more experience in the matter than us. We might as well skip the middle man and do it ourselves.

[HeresyLives]

49. Stop trying to pretend you invented the world.

You did not.

And history is clear on that point.

You have no knowledge or experience whatever on high-speed trains.

Learn from those who do, grasshopper.

[liberation]

56. Not that it matters. but I do research at a national lab on high temperature superconduting

you know.... for stuff like mag lev trains.

LOL, you are funny. Where did I claim I invented the world. Red herrings and strawmen are no way of carrying a proper debate, me thinks. But if that is your thing, by all means...

[HeresyLives]

58. No, it doesn't matter. Thank you.

[smiley_glad_hands]

74. They didn't invent the internet.

Now get off of it.

[HeresyLives]

75. LOL but the Brits invented the web.

[liberation]

16. The MagLev trains are not Chinese technology, they are German.

I am sure there are no trains out there which get 200 miles per gallon. BTW

[karynnj]

106. Should have been MPH - careless typing

[sendero]

20. China..

...stole 95% of the computer technology the manufacture, excuse me if I can't get too worked up over us "using" some of theirs.

[HeresyLives]

22. Actually, the Chinese invented the abacus

while Europeans lived in caves.

And a computer is a glorified abacus.

[liberation]

31. The Abacus is of Sumerian or Babylonian origin.

The term Abacus is Latin, BTW. In case you were wondering what those Europeans living in caves were counting with...

I still don't know what your point is. Algebra is mostly an Arab development, yet I would still think twice before boarding a high speed train made in Tunisia.

[HeresyLives]

33. LOL doesn't matter what the Latin name is.

What matters is the original Chinese name.

Arabs invented a great deal, but what that has to do with fantasy high speed trains in Tunisia is unknown.

[liberation]

35. Last I checked Sumeria and Babylon where in the Middle East

Unless they got moved from China due to some tectonic plate activity the rest of us mere mortals have been unaware of for the better part of 5 millenia.

The latin name is important, because you missed the point. Those "Europeans living in caves" were actually doing their own math calculations with the Abacus, just as well as the Chinese were. Since neither invented the apparatus....

[HeresyLives]

38. Gosh, China is right off the map for you eh?

Sorry...they developed a civilization before the 'west' was out of bearskins.

[liberation]

48. Gosh, that has nothing to do with the fact that you were wrong regarding the origin of the Abacus

And it is not an either or proposition. The Old Chinese Dynasties and Classic Europeans were fairly advanced cultures. I have no clue why you have to deride Europeans. Do you think that somehow making crap up about Europeans make Chinese look better. That sounds a tad insecure.

There were tons of fantastic discoveries and contributions from China. But trying to equate the Classic Greeks, the Romans, etc. with "living in caves" it is somehow delightfully ignorant.

Or is it just so damned hard for you to recognize you were wrong, learn something new, and just leave it at that. If you are not even willing to bulge or learn on basic facts that you may have gotten wrong. Doesn't it strike you as a possibility that some of your opinions based on far more complex issues may be compromised if you are unwilling to take a step back, and accept facts and reconsider your narrative if those facts affect your preconceived notions?

[HeresyLives]

50. Gosh, that's because I wasn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus

China was giving civil service exams while Europeans huddled in caves.

Now stop playing at arrogance...you have none to stand on.

[liberation]

55. LOL. Dude, did you actually read the article in wikipedia about the Abacus you just linked?

Seriously.

[HeresyLives]

57. Yes, dude, I did. Srsly. You should too.

'During the Achaemenid Persian Empire, around 600 BC, Iranians first began to use the abacus.<10> Under Parthian and Sassanian Iranian empires, scholars concentrated on exchanging knowledge and inventions by the countries around them – India, China, and the Roman Empire, when it is thought to be expanded over the other countries.'

You should too.

[liberation]

62. LOL.

You do realize, this is a public thread and people can simply read a few posts up where you wrote "The Chinese invented the Abacus"

Just checking.

ROFL

[HeresyLives]

64. The Chinese invented the abacus.

It travelled elsewhere, and was a major improvement on stones in sand.

People were more open-minded in those days than you appear to be.

[liberation]

70. LOL. You seem to have trouble distinguishing between your personal opinion and facts

For crying out loud, even the wikipedia article you linked stated, and I quote:


"The period 2700–2300 BC saw the first appearance of the Sumerian abacus, a table of successive columns which delimited the successive orders of magnitude of their sexagesimal number system.<6>"

"The earliest known written documentation of the Chinese abacus dates to the 2nd century BC.<14>"

Furthermore:

"Both the Roman abacus and the Chinese suanpan have been used since ancient times. With one bead above and four below the bar, the systematic configuration of the Roman abacus is coincident to the modern Japanese Soroban, although the soroban is historically derived from the suanpan."

Since you have trouble with both reality and basic reading and comprehension. Let me clarify: 2700 BC is OLDER than 200 BC. Both the Romans and the Chinese started using the abacus almost concurrently. In case you don't know "concurrently" means "at the same time."

Why you are being so obtuse is beyond me... I personally can't think of anything more close minded, than anyone who is unwilling to recognize they could have been mistaken regardless of the evidence and facts they are presented with to the contrary. You have a specific narrative, and are willing to ignore and twist facts in order to preserve it, even if it's wrong. That is indeed the very definition of close-mindedness. Which makes the projection of your accusations that much funnier.

Anyhow, I have no idea where you are going with this... so enjoy.

[HeresyLives]

76. No, but then I'm not waving a flag

Sumerians had a table of successive columns...much like the British exchequer centuries later

That is not an abacus.

The Chinese invented that

But then..until recently, westerners thot they'd invented the printing press.

The fact westerners know little about China and India is not my problem

[420inTN]

109. self delete

nevermind.

[sendero]

42. And you...

........ are an ameoba.

[HeresyLives]

43. Gosh that's intelligent.

Go to college for that didja?

[proteus_lives]

97. We can always count on you to lick Mainland boot.

It's not even amusing anymore.

[DRoseDARs]

24. Sorry - but it is not THEIR technology, either. It's German.

German company Transrapid worked with the Chinese government to build the short maglev line from Shanghai to the Shanghai Pudong International Airport. China got busted trying to steal the technology to tweak it and claim it as their own development.

Anyway, Transrapid is working right here in the US trying to get projects going in Southern California as well as all along the Eastern Seaboard and extending as far as Texas. US company General Atomics is co-working with Transrapid on the Cal-Nev project.

[HeresyLives]

27. China used Canadian, Japanese and German tech.

And learned how to do it themselves.

[DRoseDARs]

71. "And learned how to do it themselves." after getting caught red-handed trying to steal from Transrap

China didn't learn to do any of this themselves. They'd been tinkering with their own tech since 1986, but it wasn't until after the Germans came in that, as if by magic, the Chinese had leapfrogged the Germans with a more advanced maglev technology and as such will cut costs and Transrapid's role in future projects. If Microsoft (the Chinese state-owned train/maglev company) did a joint project with Apple (Transrapid) on bringing the iPad to market (the Shanghai maglev), then tried to renege on future iPad projects deal only to turn around and produce the same product with minor tweaks and a Microsoft logo slapped on it, that's industrial espionage/theft of technology. I've heard about Canadian or Japanese participation or dealing with the Chinese in developing maglevs, but you can be damn sure the Chinese tried it with them too.

"China used Canadian, Japanese and German tech" and then "And learned how to do it themselves." is a contradiction. The second is a bit like saying the United States learned to get into space by itself. No, we used Nazi scientists with rocketry knowledge developed out of building Hitler's V2 rockets to help US scientists further their knowledge after WW2, which may be a fair comparison of Chinese maglev technology development. But they are being dishonest about that part.

[HeresyLives]

77. LOL that's outright nonsense.

It's amazing to me that the west thinks they invented everything.

Gosh the US learned rocketry from the Germans...who learned it from the Chines

[DRoseDARs]

84. I didn't say the West invented rocketry. I said the US developed its space program with German help.

You and the Chinese are trying to lie about how China is developing its maglev technology.

[HeresyLives]

86. The Germans invented the space program.

Americans helped

The Chinese and I have nothing to do with your hubris.

[DRoseDARs]

89. Your talk of hubris is amusing. Fortunately, no one's falling for it.

I didn't say the West invented rocketry. I said the US got into space with the help of German know-how in rocketry. We didn't go to the Chinese, who had done very little with their own knowledge of rocketry outside of limited weaponry, but to a people who had had success in developing the concept further to launch payloads long-range. Yes, the Chinese were first to make rockets but they hadn't developed it sufficiently to be useful for getting into space. A space program is not something you "invent" it's something into which you apply relevant knowledge.

[HeresyLives]

90. If you put even half the effort into building America

as you do into trying to tear everyone and everything else down, you'd get somewhere.

The Germans invented the space program...you just snatched a few for your own purposes. So did the Soviets.

The Chinese are in space btw.

[DRoseDARs]

91. Again, you don't "invent" a space program; the Chinese being in space now is irrelevent to WW2.

"If you put even half the effort into building America as you do into trying to tear everyone and everything else down, you'd get somewhere."

^^^And how is any of this horseshit relevant to the discussion?

[HeresyLives]

92. Hey, you brought it up, I didn't.

The Chinese invented rockets. The Germans invented the V2

You grabbed Werner Von Braun and made a hero out of a Nazi for your own purposes.

[DRoseDARs]

93. And you keep shifting and dodging, of course people are going to correct you.

Maybe if you stopped twisting and lying...

No one is buying your non-sense. Give it a rest.

[HeresyLives]

94. I'm being very straight-forward and factual.

Perhaps that's what you're having trouble with.

[proteus_lives]

98. "You grabbed Werner Von Braun and made a hero out of a Nazi for your own purposes."

How many posters of Mao decorate Chinese buildings?

He responsible for the deaths of millions. (99% Chinese)

[DeSwiss]

85. As long as we don't let them build any bridges.....

Shanghai Wonder: Bridge Made of Trash Collapses

WeirdAsiaNews
By MDeeDubroff
February 5, 2010

In an absurd twist of fate and a rather distinct and unusual statement on the need to recycle, residents of Shanghai got the surprise of their life when earlier this month a major new bridge collapsed, revealing its components to be mostly rubbish and not concrete!



Spanning the Wusong River in central Shanghai, the river has represented an important shipping route since the 1930s, facilitating the transport of goods to the interior of China. The Suzhou River Road where the bridge is located has been designated as a protected heritage zone and has become the setting for Shanghai’s flourishing art scene.



Completed in 2009, the bridge replaced a much older one with a more modern design. It began to collapse after being in operation only a short period; just after Christmas, when cracks appeared in the structure. Some thought the ground might have become unstable or that it might have been the result of the inefficiency of the original construction company.

http://www.weirdasianews.com/2010/02/05/shanghai-wonderbridge-trash-collapses/">LINK

[HeresyLives]

87. China has millions of bridges.

Meanwhile, nothing in the US has ever collapsed...right?

[DeSwiss]

95. Absolutely no bridges in the US.....

...have fallen due to stuffing garbage into place where concrete was meant to go as far as I know.

- And this crappy bridge was built in 2009.

[HeresyLives]

96. Things have collapsed in both countries. Buildings, bridges.

:boring:

[420inTN]

108. I believe you mean 200MPH, not MPG

I wish there was a 200MPG train.

[Tesha]

110. There aren't any established American companies presently in the high-speed rail business.

There's Alstom (of the French TGV), there's Siemens (of the German ICE
trains), there's the company that builds the Shinkansen, German Trans-
rapid and their mag-lev, the Chinese company that has built their
mag-lev, and some mag-lev activity on Korea.

You might argue that Bombardier (of Canada) might be capable, at
least in concert with Alstom again (they made the Acella Express),
but as far as I know, there's no American company that can even
come close right now, either independently or in consortium with
anyone else.

Tesha

[HillbillyBob]

2. wtf?!

Where are the American Companies who can build these things or are we going to Stimulate Chinas f ing economy with our tax $?

Or have we slide so far down the fucking idiot hole that we cannot do this kind of thing anymore?

[HeresyLives]

4. The Chinese have experience in building high-speed rail.

Do you?

[pscot]

6. No. And we certainly wouldn't want to get any

would we. That might put Americans back to work, and they would just start to get uppity again.

[SkyDaddy7]

14. You did not get the memo?

Spending any money on our infrastructure is pure SOCIALISM!!


:sarcasm:

[seabeckind]

9. What's so hard?

We got some pretty smart fellas in this country. Hel, the chinese guy who'll come here to do it probably went to caltech.

Afterall, it's not like we're inventing a wheel or something.

[HeresyLives]

12. Gosh no, it's all just so goll-derned simple

that you've never done it, and have no idea what it involves.

Instead you want to learn on the job.

[marketcrazy1]

13. we can learn

lets build this ourselves, keep the money and the jobs ( and profit ) HERE! in America! china has enough of our jobs.......... this is part of the stimulus plan. lets stimulate America`s economy NOT China`s.. foreign bidders should be banned from these projects. enough already!!!...

[Owl]

17. I totally agree!

[madrchsod]

15. it`s not that difficult to actually build high speed rail.

the difficulty is the purchasing of the land that the rail will be built on.

[HeresyLives]

18. So...how many have you built?

[pipoman]

61. This is the 3rd time you've made this completely

juvenile comment. Only a child would think that US engineers would need anything from the Chinese to design this system. Have you ever been to China? There is no infrastructure in vast, vast areas.

This OP BTW is only about bidding on contracts. US engineers will be designing the system, you do realize this, no?

[HeresyLives]

65. So how many have you built?

Um...the system is already invented and developed.

Any reason you want to reinvent the wheel here, other than some bizarre flag-waving?

No, you've never been to China, and have no idea what you're on about.

[pipoman]

73. There is no reinventing anything going to happen beyond fixing

problems found in other countries. US engineers will travel the world learning, then come back and design the system. Once designed and appropriated, the project will be divided into many pieces and put up for bids. This is where the Chinese will be bidding, they may win some bids, they will complete the bid to the specs they are provided. I am sure US engineers will be quite appreciative of the input of engineers in other countries.

Now the adolescence of the argument would be that the US couldn't have any bridges or airplanes since I've never built either of those things either. And my MIL, an engineer btw, just returned from 7 weeks in China. I've seen the pics and heard the stories of a very smart person who I know personally.

[HeresyLives]

79. System is already up and running.

That's just another excuse to waste time.

Your MIL is irrelevant.

[pipoman]

81. And I say China is no more relevant

than Europe. This is not China here, you realize this, no? Therefore, this not being China, the Chinese engineering of their system is irrelevant. We are not building a building. We are building national infrastructure, this will be a custom fit and will require ground up engineering.

[HeresyLives]

82. Oh give it up

Buy it off the shelf and be done with it.

Only way you'll ever get it done. It'll be just a pissing contest otherwise.

:rofl:

[pipoman]

83. The only buying off the shelf may be the components

you realize this right?

[HeresyLives]

88. If you want to waste time, it's your problem

[pipoman]

100. I have no say in it, nor do you

it ain't gonna happen fast, and if you think they will just start throwing down track..wait a minute, you do know that every road, bridge, and railroad track starts out with engineers right? That engineers assure safety, usability and ergonomics? Or is this just your Saturday entertainment, being a contrarian?

[madrchsod]

103. actually several....

one in ho and another in n gauge. my biggest problem was getting my wife`s permission for the space in our home. after tense negotiations we compromised. as usual i got half of what i was asking for.


see..other people are better at being smart asses...of course you won`t read this

[liberation]

26. Some of our actual allies have far better experience...

... the Chinese high speed network is fairly unproven. Unlike the Japanese/French/German/Spanish networks.

I for one won't be willing to risk a ride in a Chinese train, if they have enough hard time making plastic toys as it is.


Why on earth would we subsidize our biggest international competitor which is positioning itself to challenge our international influence and position?

[HeresyLives]

28. China isn't an enemy. Keep up

And they have the best high-speed trains in the world

[liberation]

34. I don't think "best" means what you think it means..

Let me guess, you are Chinese.

[HeresyLives]

40. Oh I think 'best' is understood very well by everybody.

And no, I'm a Celtic-Canadian.

[liberation]

52. Yeah, but I was referring to you... not everybody.

If you are saying with a straight face that the Chinese have the "best" train technology in the world. That is a rather false estimation.

[HeresyLives]

54. You were trying to insult me, which is against the rules.

And yes, China has the best train tech in the world...they have the newest.

The newest is always the best...because it's cumulative.

[liberation]

60. I am not insulting you, I was just providing facts to correct your false claim

That is all. In case it is not clear -> correction is not the same as insulting.

You could simply have recognized the error, I could have given you the benefit of the doubt. And no big deal. Yet you keep digging a hole, for whatever reason.

And btw, technically the bestest train tech should be Korea, since they just released a new high speed train tech, a few months after the Chinese did theirs.

I am not going to go into detail as to why equating "newest" and "best" is a fallacy, lord knows you will go in another tangential red herring fishing excursion to who knows where.

[HeresyLives]

Well since you have no facts.

and are merely trying to be patronizing, that is an attempt at an insult.

The Chinese are continuing to build high-speed trains thruout China...and in fact they're now invited to build one to India and Europe to connect it all.

Oh...did you think it was all done?

You 'aren't going into detail' because you're scraping the bottom of the barrel, and we both know it

[liberation]

68. Honestly... you are making less and less sense.

The only "facts" you have brought to this thread is a single reference to a wikipedia article which actually proved my claim.


Anyhow, as much as I find your projection and narrative truly entertaining. It is supper time, and it is hard to follow your tangential arguments with a low blood sugar level.

[HeresyLives]

69. People on the losing end of an argument always say that.

The fact that you can't follow any of this proves the point that you should be hiring expertise, not trying to reinvent it yourself.

[liberation]

72. Uh? What?

LOL. Sorry, my GPS broke trying to follow all the twists and turns your "logic" was taking.

I'll pretend you are being *this* dense and obtuse in order to pull my leg, or that you smoked some really good stuff.

Anyhow, have a nice day.

[HeresyLives]

80. Supper over so soon?

Oh but I see you're off to hide again. Well...ta ra

[AsahinaKimi]

44. I think the Japanse and German technology is best...

And don't the French have high speed trains as well? God forbid Americans want anything from the FRENCH!! :sarcasm:

But really...

many westerners seem to forget who helped built the Railroads in this country in the first place.. Americans who brought Chinese over from China to do the very hard "grunt work" and then left them to fend for themselves, forming their own little Chinatowns in various cities, many of whom, were forced out~like they were in Santa Barbara. I am sure many of the long term residents of San Francisco Chinatown did have relatives who helped build our American railroads.


But in any case, I agree with who ever said we should have Americans build the high speed railroads, but with the help of the Chinese, Germans, Japanese and even the French. We need and require their technical advice, and use much of our own ingenuity as well.

I always made myself a promise if I ever went back to Japan, to visit, I would ride the Shinkansen but it would be even cooler to be able to ride here in America first. San Francisco to Los Angeles and be there in about an hour.

[HeresyLives]

51. Many countries have the technical know-how.

It's not a new frontier after all, but pretty standard stuff.

[WriteDown]

112. How did the Chinese get experience? Were they born with it? nt

[Chemisse]

7. Ummm - I thought the whole point was to stimulate OUR economy nt

[seabeckind]

10. Stuff like this REALLY pizzes me off.

Added in edit: Don't we own some factories? All we gotta do is scrape off the GM or Chrysler logo.

[iamtechus]

11. Then things will have come full circle

Chinese engineers and technicians will do all the brainwork while american coolies do all the grunt work.
:shrug:

[JerseygirlCT]

19. Considering the quality of most of their stuff here

that would make me pretty nervous.

[HeresyLives]

25. China's 4th space center will be completed in 2015

Perhaps its what you're buying?

[WriteDown]

113. They have 4 space stations? Wow. Oh you said space centers.

What exactly is a space center?

[izquierdista]

36. Memo to self

Take Turkey and Venezuela off list of places to visit by rail.

After poisoned dog food, toys, drywall, and who knows what else, "Made in China" = "Your life isn't worth a plugged nickel"

[FarCenter]

39. What companies in which countries control the patents needed for high-speed rail?

If you answer that question, you know who you can buy from.

[HeresyLives]

41. Canada, Japan, Germany and China.

[FarCenter]

46. About right - and to protect our movie industry, we've gotten everyone to agree on iron clad IP laws

So on topics like high-speed rail patents, where we don't have much intellectual property, we're probably pretty much screwed.

[Triana]

45. NO reason the US should not be building this themselves

We certainly need the jobs. This is bullshit. Why are we behind in this technology. Why are we behind in every technology? Even internet speeds? :wtf:

CATCH UP! You know: JOBS? Research? Infrastructure? Duh.

Soon, CHINA will own the US. Guess O'Bomber doesn't mind. Pfft.

This is just stupid.

[HeresyLives]

53. Well, except you don't know how

Learn from those who do. What's wrong with that?

That's how knowledge works. It grows, as everybody adds a piece.

[Triana]

105. learning from them is one thing. letting them take our jobs and take over our

infrastructure is quite something else.

[WriteDown]

114. Can't they just send us the instructions? nt

[salguine]

59. I hope they don't build railroads the way they make toys and toothpaste.

[pipoman]

63. and don't forget dog food.

[HeresyLives]

66. And space centers.

[unkachuck]

67. we've come full circle....

....in the 1800s the Chinese were instrumental in building our railroads....this time, they might actually make money at it....

[Name removed]

78. Deleted message

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[upi402]

99. American workers; Meat or Pet

When will we give China a bail out too? I mean, they're corrupt and brutal enough to deserve a place at the trough.

[RainDog]

101. the irony is too much

if you know anything about how the rails were built in the U.S. the first time.

[Desertrose]

104. OMG. You took the words right out of my mouth!

That was my first thought too.....

Sort of the same feeling as watching the Native Americans build their casinos....


What goes around comes around......

[lonestarnot]

102. What was the number of dead in the largest derailment in history?

and not this one, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Mississauga_train_derailment I said dead.

[Owl]

107. No way should stimulus funds/taxes be doled out to Chinese companies for US infrastructure projects.

That's ridiculous, and horrifying if it's even being considered.

[Odin2005]

111. WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT!?!

:grr: