China denounces Google 'US ties'

[alp227]

Source: BBC

China's state media has attacked Google for having what it said were "intricate ties" with the US government.

Google provides US intelligence agencies with a record of its search engine results, the state-run news agency Xinhua said.

It also accused Google of trying to change Chinese society by imposing American values on it.

Google denied that it was influenced by the US government, a spokesperson for the company was quoted as saying by AP.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8578968.stm

[xultar]

1. That is phucking phunny as phuck.

[DeSwiss]

2. K&R

[Dappleganger]

3. Wondering when the your momma jokes will ensue? nt

[DissedByBush]

4. Okay we admit it

We were trying to show your society values like freedom.

I guess you caught us.

[amandabeech]

7. My young colleagues seem to be much more interested in a job than in freedom.

A bunch of them are trying to learn Chinese, and run around saying that authoritarianism is the only way to get things done. Like China.

This history buff remembers reading about how wondrous "everyone" thought Nazi Germany was in the '30s because they could get things done.

If they aren't prepared to defend bill of rights (and these folks are lawyers) maybe they should look elsewhere for a permanent abode.

[proteus_lives]

10. Scary isn't?

As the old cliche goes, those who don't learn from history.......

And this history buff is reading about the fall of Berlin in 1945. "Places where things get done". Well, we know how that story ends.

[CatholicEdHead]

13. There is value in learning another language

Knowing Chinese itself is not bad, it is a good skill for the job market. To push for the same style of government China has of course goes too far.

[amandabeech]

18. Another language is great.

I wish that I'd have kept up my Spanish.

I fear for this country's future though, if they are representative of the 25-32 crowd.

[populistdriven]

5. isn't free speech a human right? I assume that they regard their people as humans

[Odin2005]

6. FUCK CHINA!!!

[amandabeech]

8. Well, that pretty much sums up my views, too.

I just wish that I could find more stuff not made in that place in the stores.

But that discussion is old here on DU!

[proteus_lives]

11. With a rusty, iron stick.

[treestar]

14. How is that not bigoted?

This is 1/4 the human population. Fuck them?

I wish on them freedom (which they will have to fight for) and prosperity.

[Odin2005]

24. See post 23.

[David__77]

16. That is xenophobic and backward.

You condemn all of China, one-fifth of humanity, with your profanity.

[Odin2005]

23. By China I meant the Chinese Government.

The people have no say in what their government does, so they are innocent of blame.

[David__77]

25. What about the 70,000,000 party members?

Are they innocent of blame? And the many tens of millions more who participate in local government administration? I am honestly curious what you think... In Nazi Germany, you have a case in which a genocide is occurring, and it is widely held that there is guilt if one was not actively resisting Nazi rule; however, what would your standard be for the People's Republic of China?

[Arkana]

9. China's fighting a losing battle.

[proteus_lives]

12. China puts out a great show of strength.

But they have a weak foundation.

[treestar]

15. Amen! They are headed for more than Tianamen Square.

The Chinese may see freedom within the decade.

[David__77]

17. "Tiananmen square?" You mean the 1989 business?

Lots of young Chinese don't even have any thought on this matter. The viable opposition in China is from the left, from those who want to reimplement socialist economics and kick out the foreign companies. Western liberalism is a spent force in China.

Tienanmen of 1989 would never happen in China today.

[Mudoria]

19. Let's hope they do kick out the "foreign" companies...

it would be a boon for the folks in the US.

[David__77]

20. Possibly...

There is a complaint in some American sectors that Chinese wages are too high now compared with India, Indonesia, etc. And China has plenty of other countries to do business with.

[DrCory]

21. You Know Not What You Speak Of...

Concepts of Western liberalism have been enthusiastically embraced by Chinese youth. Far from being spent, it will be a driving force in the political and social modernization of China.

Take this from someone who has lived there.

[David__77]

22. Hmm... I guess one's perceptions are driven by who they associate with.

The Chinese I know and people who have worked in China say otherwise. And we must be clear there are youth of different social strata. The young people of peasant and working class background have different outlooks than those from office worker and government bureaucrat backgrounds. Ironically, the children of Communist Party members likely are more positive toward Western (liberal) ideology than other young people. In any case, I think most would agree that Chinese nationalism is a strong ideological force among all age in China, and that the ruling party has rather successfully positioned itself as the representative of that. The average Chinese person certainly was proud on the 60th republic anniversary recently. Not what one would expect if they thought that October 1, 1949 was a disaster on the order of Hitler coming to power. Cadres like Bo Xilai are actually quite popular. If he becomes the next general secretary and president in 2012-13, which is unlikely, it would help ensure social stability.

[DrCory]

27. Nice Try...

To discredit me by class association. Sorry to disappoint, but my exposure to the populace of the PRC was not limited to the urban bourgeoisie.

Your associates are doing you a diservice if you have been led to believe the red star will rise over China again.

Having been fed a steady diet of the likes of Edgar Snow, Iron Oxen, etc. in my youth, I was shocked at the prevailing attitude of cynicism, regardless of class background/origin, toward the party, government, and anything resembling the Marxist/Leninist/Maoist ideology of the past. What I found from many was instead was a hope for a more open, intellectually free (especially the freedom to criticize the party, it's icons and it's METHODS), and politically pluralistic society. This from workers, peasants, students, and even several party members of all age groups. One of the mentioned party members, a man with impeccable vanguard class credentials, told me communism is a farce.

"The average Chinese person certainly was proud on the 60th republic anniversary recently. Not what one would expect if they thought that October 1, 1949 was a disaster on the order of Hitler coming to power."

Huh? Even the worst despotic regimes have their loyalists. Lots of average Americans voted for George W Bush.

"Cadres like Bo Xilai are actually quite popular"

Depends on who you ask. He's also regarded by many as a self-serving clown.

[Barack_America]

26. Silly China, the US doesn't value Freedom of Speech any longer.

Proof positive, the Patriot Act they cited in their "argument".