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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 11:35 PM
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Mahathir says Muslims should emulate Jews
Malaysia’s retired veteran leader Mahathir Mohamad revisited the storm of controversy surrounding his final days, by saying on Thursday that Muslims should reject terror and learn from the Jews.


Mahathir provoked a welter of criticism from Western governments and Israel by saying that Jews ruled the world by proxy in his last big speech before retiring at the end of October. ”My speech was balanced and unfortunately the focus was all on what I said about the Jews,” Mahathir told Reuters in an interview.

“But I was also very critical of the Muslims. I told them to stop all this terror attacks. It’s not getting you anywhere,” said the 78-year old ex-prime minister.

“I pointed out the Jews for 2,000 years withstood the pogroms the holocausts and all that, and they never retaliated. It is only as a result they have made progress,” he explained, seated in a reception room of the Perdana Leadership Foundation he now heads in Putrajaya — the administrative capital built in his last years in office. “You should emulate the Jews. I’m telling Muslims to follow the Jews. But of course the Jews never noticed that,” he said.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/theworld/2004/March/theworld_March409.xml§ion=theworld
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absyntheNsugar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 11:43 PM
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1. Foot...Mouth...Insert...
Wow! Is this guy related to Dan Quayle at all?
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 11:45 PM
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2. No
When this guy puts his foot in his mouth, it's because he is goosestepping.
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thingfish Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:56 PM
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14. He makes perfectly good sense, and is in no way goose-stepping.
x
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Imagine If Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 04:21 PM
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15. I agree.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 01:04 PM
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5. So you disagree with Mahatir about terror attacks?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 12:48 AM
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3. So he never heard of the Stern Gang?
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 12:52 AM
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4. Is this guy for real?
:wow:
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 01:11 PM
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6. All of which begs the question
Does Mahatir actually know any Jews?

I have rather strong doubts on that.
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a_random_joel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 01:11 PM
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7. It is important for him to say this.
Unfortunately, on the heels of past remarks his credibility is tainted.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 02:44 PM
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8. He is referring to his past remarks. That is what he said in the same

speech that caused all the controversy, but the press did not report that part of the speech. You can google and find the speech in its entirety.
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a_random_joel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:06 PM
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10. My bad.
Still a credibility gap...
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Mad_Bulgarian Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 02:47 PM
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9. Is this wrong?
The Jews have many outstanding accomplishments in science and society. There is nothing wrong for the Muslims to do the same. There is nothing wrong with learning from other nations, for instance, we in Bulgaria learned of freedom and democratic from America, for which we are eternally grateful.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 06:26 PM
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21. Welcome To DU!
:hi:
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:27 PM
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11. Well, Malaysia is an interesting country
Although Islam is the official national religion, it's interesting how Malaysia still manages to be a tolerant place where Hindus, Muslims, Christians, and Buddhists interact pretty well. There's a large non-religious Chinese ethnic minority there, too. So he has an interesting perspective, seeing them all.

I visited kuala lumpur last year and was fascinated by how modern and well-run it is as a city.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:38 PM
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12. I'm no big fan, but Mahathir gets a bum rap once is a while.
Edited on Fri Mar-19-04 03:39 PM by 54anickel
Seems his remarks sometimes get taken out of context and are read thru those anti-semitic detection goggles. Once in a while it seems the west gets too uptight about political correctness and misses the point that people from other cultures are trying to make. I think you have to keep the history of various cultures in mind when people speak. Try to get the true message, ask for clarification when something rubs you the wrong way.

My mama always taught me to find the good in evil and the evil in the good. She was correct, and I have always tried to keep an open and discerning mind because of her.

JMHO
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Cato1 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 04:28 PM
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16. I believe Mahathir...
...started his tirades against Jews after George Soros attacked the Malaysian currency in the late 1990s. I think Soros is still banned from entering Malaysia.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 07:45 PM
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24. Thanks, I didn't know Soros was Jewish. Check out these articles I
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:40 PM
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13. Look up Sisters in Islam sometime if you get a chance

They've been around since the early 80s or so, hard to say who should be scareder of them - the half-literate raving Mullahs or the Mullah's secret Sugar Uncle Amrika :evilgrin:
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 04:30 PM
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17. Aw, come on DTF, give us a clue as to what you mean.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 04:40 PM
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19. ok here's a spoon with a link in it :)
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 07:38 PM
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23. Thanks DTF, you're the best! This is interesting indeed! Maybe we can
get a group of sisters together to do a similar thing on the bigoted, literal reading, fundie Christian side!

Go Sisters!!!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 04:33 PM
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18. I, for one, am not going to do an "auto-persecute",...
Edited on Fri Mar-19-04 04:35 PM by Just Me
,...of this leader when he is demonstrating some balance and encouraging unity. Geez,...I find it incredible that there are those elite paranoid cabals attacking Muslims when that cabal's most recent horror was a Christian (Hitler). What the f*ck is wrong with these extremists? They have no handle on how their own paranoia and aggression is breeding hostility. These obsessed leaders are projecting their frighteningly dark hearts on the rest of the world!!! How is it that we ended up with such totally off-balance leaderships? God, I am sick of this wacko prism!!! It is tearing my country and the rest of the world apart.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 06:08 PM
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20. What the #$@! do the last posted three sentences mean?
:shrug:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 06:43 PM
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22. Mahathir is autocratic, but he's a cagey old bird
After the Asian currency crisis of 1997, Mahathir instituted strict controls on currency transactions, and all the talking heads predicted economic disaster for Malaysia because of it's interference in the holy, sacred, they-who-must-be-obeyed "free markets."

But Malaysia recovered faster than any of the other countries affected.
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