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DeaconBlues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 07:35 AM
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Two U.S. marines killed in Iraq

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Insurgents killed two U.S. Marines who were on patrol in Iraq (news - web sites), a military statement said Friday.

The attack on the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force occurred Wednesday in al-Anbar province, which stretches from west of Baghdad to the Jordanian border, the statement said. It provided no other details... (more)


I believe this is new.

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smartass Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 08:27 AM
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1. It looks like this is turning into chaos. In Vietnam, war started slow
before developing into an all out war.
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Crachet2004 Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 09:29 AM
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11. Yeah, and if Bush is reelected, imagine a wider war-involving Iran and...
Syria. Won't that be fun? Actually, this war started off on a lot larger scale than Vietnam, and has the poential to be a lot worse,as far as bodycount...for both sides.

It is just getting started good. Wars can last hundreds of years...and that is what Cheney means by 'multi generational' or 'transgenerational' conflict.

They want to militarily defeat, occupy, then reconstruct the entire middle east to stop a few terrorists...who would'nt even BE terrorists if our military had not been shoved sideways up their ass from the getgo.

Americans should not buy any further into this madness. The eventual blowback, when we are forced to pull back, Is going to allow a window for the Islamisists to set up muslim fundamentalist governments throughout the region.

Is that what Americans really want? Our current policy is actually one of Mullah enablement.

I personally am against any form of religious government. Governments should answer to the people, not some 'higher' authority.

So. Our policy actually plays into the terrorists hands...will actually bring to pass the kind of Islamic world they want...even if we 'win', and elections are held, who are the people going to vote for?

Whoever the Mullahs tell them to. So we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Yeah, if Bush is reelected, it is shaping up to be a long war.

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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 10:26 AM
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18. Bush?
I hear sabers rattling behind Kerry, too. WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!
I want my country back.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 10:50 AM
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19. Been there done that --- In Vietnam, war started slow"
Deja Vu

CHICKENHAWKS in charge TOO!!!!
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 08:37 AM
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2. this daily death report
is devastating :cry:

http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx

current count: 576
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 09:20 AM
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9. The casualty graph is revealing as well
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 09:50 AM
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14. here is the graph....
Thanks Barrett!



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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 09:53 AM
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15. Hey, good work leftchick
My quick-n-dirty efforts to paste the graph didn't work so well!
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 08:40 AM
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3. Time to GET THE HELL OUT
http://www.bringthemhomenow.com
And everyday the media reports them as numbers with NO faces.
Many US citizens just dont care, and close their eyes and ears to it all.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 08:42 AM
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4. The wars on again
there was a lull for a couple of weeks, or so it seemed. We didn't get any news of casualties, whether it was from our soldiers forting up and not making patrols, or, from the Iraqis gauging their effectiveness I don't know.
For the past week though, things have changed and they are killing Americans at will again. 574 according to lunaville, watch out for the next couple of days, I feel a bloodbath coming on.
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 09:00 AM
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5. bring'em on cried the AWOL chimp
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 01:21 PM
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23. "And Bring it on" the resistance did
All to the displeasure of President Cheney's clueless Sock-Puppet

Bonne journée à vous "Flagg"
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 09:55 AM
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16. War is definitely back on
February was quiet, probably because the troop rotation meant that everybody was playing search and evade. That's why the insurgents were able to kill 250 policemen in February - no pesky US troops around. Now the US troops are back, and the casualties are creeping back up: 14 dead in just the last week - and this weekend has every promise of intensifying the fighting. The next three weeks in fact. Bad scene.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 09:06 AM
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6. sad ain't it
so many wasted lives for no wmd's.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 09:11 AM
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7. they all died for nothing.
they were all wounded for nothing. thousands of civilian died for nothing.
march against them tomorrow. the world still says NO .

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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 09:27 AM
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10. "He died a hero, but he died in vain."
Military Families vs. the War
Organized Opposition Is Small, but Some See It as Historic
By Paula Span
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 11, 2004; Page A01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48217-2004Mar10.html

...

Richard Dvorin has not received a reply to the letter he sent the president about his son, Seth. He doesn't expect to. But Sue Niederer, Seth Dvorin's mother, eventually learned about Military Families Speak Out and will join its march at Dover Air Force Base on Sunday.

It's one of the few places where she can say of her son, "He died a hero, but he died in vain" -- and people will understand how she feels.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 09:58 AM
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17. She was on CNN the other day....
and when the news anchor asked her
"Other people in military families speak out have gotten death threats against them for speaking out, how do you feel about that?"
the mother of Seth said
"They have already KILLED my son, theres nothing more they can do to me".
WE WONT STOP SPEAKING OUT
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 08:28 PM
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24. This is one brave woman



Sue Sapir-Niederer, of Pennington, N.J., whose son, Seth Dvorin, a member of the 101st Airborne Division, died in Iraq (news - web sites) in February, marches in the anti-war protest in New York, Saturday, March 20, 2004. Thousands of people participated in the rally, which marked the first anniversary of the U.S.-led war in Iraq and called for the removal of American troops from the region. (AP Photo/Jennifer Szymaszek

I'm surprised they haven't done something to her.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 09:11 AM
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8. When will it be enough?
Edited on Fri Mar-19-04 09:12 AM by Ilsa
When will the public say "okay, this is too many. Time to get out!"

Damn bastards.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 09:42 AM
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12. Good morning, Deacon Blues!
Edited on Fri Mar-19-04 09:57 AM by alg0912
As per LBN rules, don't forget to include a link to the story you're referencing. Here's a link to the story about the latest US casualties:

Two U.S. Marines killed in Iraq

Thanks! :hi:
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 09:45 AM
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13. From lunaville.org:
http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx

Military Fatalities: By Month:
Period US UK Other* Total Avg Days
3-2004 27 0 0 27 1.42 19
2-2004 20 1 2 23 0.79 29
1-2004 47 5 0 52 1.68 31
12-2003 40 0 8 48 1.55 31
11-2003 82 1 27 110 3.67 30
10-2003 42 1 2 45 1.45 31
9-2003 31 1 1 33 1.1 30
8-2003 35 6 2 43 1.39 31
7-2003 47 1 0 48 1.55 31
6-2003 30 6 0 36 1.2 30
5-2003 37 4 0 41 1.32 31
4-2003 73 6 0 79 2.63 30
3-2003 65 27 0 92 4.84 19
Total 576 59 42 677 1.82 373

27 deaths this month alone and it's not even the 3rd week mark... :(

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Mr. Brown of MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 01:13 PM
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22. We're getting back into the 'death a day' pattern
February seemed quiet, at least as far as attacks on Coalition soldiers. As that chart shows, it's the first month that didn't have at least one soldier dead per day on average since the war started.

The beginning of March was quiet, too, because there were only four dead in the first eight days of the month. But now there have been 23 in the last ten days.

I wonder if we will see another month like last November... I hope not. I wish they could all come home safe.

-CollegeDude
But one a day does not...
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m-jean03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 11:04 AM
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20. "And it's five, six, seven/Open up the pearly gates"

:-( x(

Right now this doesn't look like it's gonna end any time soon -- or late!
And it really makes me mad they are only reporting total KIA numbers on the news, now. Total disrespect to the 200 more or so who have been accident, suicide, or murder victims as a direct result of wartime climate and activities.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 11:17 AM
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21. The natives are restless . . .
I snagged this image from leftchick in General Discussion. (Thanks leftchick.)



Shiites and Sunni worshippers join forces in a large protest in Baghdad against the American occupation of Iraq (news - web sites) following the traditional Friday noon prayer, Friday, March 19, 2004. (AP Photo/Hussein Malla)

TYY
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