Texas newborn denied health insurance over pre-existing condition

[kpete]

Source: McClatchy

Texas newborn denied health insurance over pre-existing condition

By Jan Jarvis | The Fort Worth Star-Telegram

................

Instantly, Doug Tracy knew something was wrong with his son.

"He wasn't turning pink fast enough," Tracy said. "When they listened to his chest, they realized he had an issue."

That turned out to be d-transposition of the great arteries, a defect in which the two major vessels that carry blood away from the heart are reversed. The condition causes babies to turn blue.

Surgery would correct it, but within days of Houston's birth March 15, Tracy learned that his application for health insurance to cover his son had been denied. The reason: a pre-existing condition




Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/26/91120/texas-newborn-denied-health-insurance.html

[pepperbear]

1. wow! literally....the unborn take precedent over the newborn...

covered only until birth.

really?

[musical_soul]

65. Nope.

I'm about to try to get a job selling health insurance. From what I understand, the insurance companies
we work with don't want to cover anybody who is pregnant or live with somebody who is pregnant. They also don't want to
cover anybody who is adopting a child. This is because the kid goes on the insurance plan at birth, and they don't know what
the baby will have.

Maybe all insurance companies are not alike on this. I'm still learning.


Note: I very much think this stuff is wrong. However, I'm taking comfort in the fact that this is all going to change within a
few years. I don't in any way approve of the behavior of insurance companies.

[snake in the grass]

79. Exactly!

This will give the newborn a wonderful opportunity to learn about personal responsibility!

[AllyCat]

96. Did you read the comment by the jerk about 6 down?

He says "babies die every day and we're better off for it"! Then he blames the bleeding heart liberals for this kid's condition.

[babylonsister]

2. They denied coverage to a blue baby? My 51-year old sister

was born with that. Assholes. That law cannot go into effect soon enough. :grr:

[rocktivity]

6. Glad your 51-year old sister survived

But is she still making payments on the hospital bill?

:rofl:
rockivity

[babylonsister]

10. I don't think letting her live or not was ever an issue

51 years ago. :shrug:

[musical_soul]

66. Today.....

Doesn't a hospital have to do surgery if it's an emergency? This sounds like an emergency.

I'm also glad your sister survived.

[nenagh]

14. Often in the past 'blue babies' resulted from Rh incompatibility

between the mother and father

Fortunately Rh immune globin injection prevents the problem...

That was why we heard so much more about blue babies in the past..

[CountAllVotes]

54. that gene runs in my family

lots of dead babies buried in different places going back at least 100+ years.

I have the Rh factor myself and opted to have no children as I have seen what a highly toxic gene this is to have. :puke:

My mother had 3 children and ALL OF US were born with congenital defects.

I'm pro-choice. My mother was too and she said she would have had an abortion if choice was available in 1960 when she found out she was pregnant time #3 at the age of 38 years. Not that anyone ever blamed her one bit, that included my late father!

:dem:

[Richardo]

3. ...and our not-at-all-political AG Abbott joined 12 other AGs in their suit challenging the law.

Texas has among the highest (if not THE highest) number of uninsured in the country. Nine million uninsured Texans get better access to healthcare. Pre-existing conditions for children are IMMEDIATELY disallowed.

Hope he's proud of himself. Aw hell, I KNOW he's proud of himself.

[safeinOhio]

24. But, how can that be?

Texas already has the magic cure for health reform, TORT REFORM.

[tekmage3000]

110. Not for Long

Government Healthcare is going to increase State's Debt which will lead to cutbacks.

http://bettereconomics.blogspot.com/2010/03/obamacare-crowding-out-state-budgets.html

[dkf]

4. And we think getting rid of preexisting conditions and recission

Will turn health insurers into decent behaving entities? Lol

The incentive to deny coverage is still there. If not preexisting conditions they will find something else.

[spinbaby]

9. That's what I'm afraid of

The banks have managed not to bail out most underwater homeowners after they were themselves bailed out by taxpayers. They accomplished this largely through impenetrable bureaucracy, endless paperwork, and phone calls that don't go anywhere. Health insurers are already masters of this art--I'm afraid it will get much worse.

[AngryKansasknitter]

34. that's just the tip of the iceberg...I'll tell you what worries me:

Going by what the republithugs/Sadistic pigs have said, and the insurance industry themselves- that they will just continue to raise prices and pass it along to consumers of their services... seems to me that not only are those VILE republican thugs and their sugar daddies (The insurance industry) are really starting to remind me of how the British and Tories were in the revolutionary war...when "we the people" revolt, those in power inflict greater tyrannies and up the oppression level. - That's what I'm seeing with this mess...but, to make a new born baby suffer? Sorry, I'm NOT going to sit on my hands and remain silent! I wish there was something I COULD do to help that baby and his family!!!!

Nita

[TicketyBoo]

84. "How to help

The Houston Samuel Tracy Fund has been set up at Bank of America."

I don't exactly know the logistics of donating, though.

[tekmage3000]

107. You CAN help!

Have you tried to call the writer of the story, JAN JARVIS, 817-390-7664?

Ask Jan if the Family is taking donations.

[Mithreal]

12. +1

[tekmage3000]

111. Agreed!

The Health Insurers AND your Government are NOT going to cover pre-existing conditions!

http://www.correntewire.com/children_pre_existing_conditions_will_not_all_automatically_be_covered

[fascisthunter]

5. ok... so where are the so-called "pro-lifers"?

after all, it's not the babies fault it has a pre-condition, right? Just goes to highlight the absurdity of a phony movement.

[proReality]

23. They only worry about the unborn and those on life-support

for years on end...but only at the end.

[AngryKansasknitter]

44. that's so true...

I recently was disowned by my largely republican trash thug family....who claim to be christians...uh huh....anyway, that's true.... it's amazing how they shut the H E double toothpicks up after the Terri Schiavo thing....when her autopsy showed she was already brain dead... then they get all outraged over abortion. Don't get me wrong, I'm pro-life, but, I believe the sanctity of life extends beyond before birth! What about after the babies are born and through out their lives? Still doesn't make sense to me, people!!!!

[Blue_Tires]

62. welcome to the site!

<----- KU grad

[PJPhreak]

104. From one Kansan to another,Welcome!

you will find a good number of like minded souls here,and some of us quite understamd what its like to be Liberal in a place that is anything but!

[haele]

74. They only worry about the ones that can't call them on their bullshit fake compassion.

Once the objects (and that's how the loudest fake Jaysus-lover poseurs think of the focus of their "pro life" agenda) become able to articulate how they might feel about that so-called compassion, or even worse, may require taxpayer help or charity to get around, well, then, it's time for them to find their own bootstraps, now that they've been forced to an existence of suffering when, perhaps, it might have actually been (if you believe) "Gawd's Will" - and certainly much kinder to them and those who care for them - that they be left to be one with the universe.
These fake people prefer to mouth platitudes and go through the far easier motions of pretending to care, so they can convince themselves and the crowd they hang around with they aren't hateful, prideful, willfully ignorant, and intellectually lazy slobs who are no better than the rest of us.

Haele

[HopeHoops]

26. It is only a baby until it is born - then it is a "Welfare cheat".

[AngryKansasknitter]

32. That's a load of bull feces!

It's utterly WRONG to judge and mistreat a child because his or her parents aren't affluent, or whatever! for the love of God, these are children that have NO say about the circumstances which they are born into! I don't MIND paying more in taxes to make sure babies/children and the elderly DO NOT go with out...That I do NOT mind....and I won't have it said that I deprived a child on the basis of selfish greed and a pathological lust over money!!!

Nita

[HopeHoops]

37. I guess I should have used the "sarcasm" smiley, but I thought it was obvious.

Trust me, I agree with you entirely. It is shocking how many people actually treat the issue the way that I posted. Seriously - "absolutely no abortions for any reasons but hell if I'M going to pay taxes for some brat's medical care." That's just SO Christian, isn't it? Actually, it sounds a lot like what we just heard out of the GOP this past week.

[AngryKansasknitter]

43. You want to know the REALLY sick and twisted thing....

My family is the same way! I just got disowned this week because I spoke my mind and stay true to my conscious....that health care is NOT a luxury for those with the $$ to pay for it, it's a human right, for god's sake....and THIS stupidity that's happened to that baby- ugh...it's enough to rip the hair right out of my scalp!!!! Like I said, I wish there was something I could do to help...

Nita

[tekmage3000]

121. You have a right to buy it...YOURSELF

You have a right to free speech...but no one is forcing you to say anything.

You have freedom of religion...but no one forcing you to Church.

You have a right to purchase food, shelter and HEALTHCARE.

Healthcare is not a right handed out by the Government.

When we pay our taxes to the government and it gives that money away, its welfare.

When the government takes more from us than it needs to secure our freedoms, so it can have money to give away, that’s not charity, that’s theft!

And when the government forces hospitals to provide free health care to those who can’t or won’t care for themselves, that’s not charity, that’s slavery.

[yellowcanine]

33. His Daddy proly drives a Cadillac to pick up the welfare check.

Proly has an Obama sticker on it also.

[AngryKansasknitter]

45. and what right to do you have to judge these people...

On the basis of their vehicle- if in fact that IS what they're driving? Just as you have NO right to judge these people based on their political affiliation or what kind of health insurance they have- if any...For God's sake, they JUST had a baby boy that is in need of medical care...and YOU have the unmitigated gall to play God and decide at whim THAT child will suffer based on your hypocrisy, greed and selfishness! need I remind you that the bible does in fact say "Judge lest thou be judged!" Or how about "do unto others as you would have them do unto you!".....Show some mercy and compassion for christ's sake! No, wait, that isn't possible from someone like you, is it? Didn't think so!
That is what YOUR sadistic, callous words have proven YOU to be in this matter...

Nita

[yellowcanine]

48. err - I trust you are being satirical here - because I was....

[AngryKansasknitter]

50. sorry....didn't know you were being smart ass...

I thought you were being serious....I tend to get a little hot under the collar when it comes to kids being mistreated...I hope I didn't offend. Please forgive me.

Nita

[PassingFair]

52. Welcome to DU, Kansasknitter!

I think you will find that most of us don't think
we need to use the "sarcasm" tag, because MOST
Democrats believe that ALL American's have a responsibility
to ensure the COMMON WELFARE of our citizens.

:hi:

[eridani]

71. On DU, not everyone always remembers to use the sarcasm thingie

Just two colons with the word "sarcasm" in the middle. Saves lots of misunderstanding, especially if you were going for subtle instead of over the top.

[xynthee]

81. There are many smartasses here!

In most cases, offensive statements like that are sarcasm / parody. You're going to have a major coronary event really soon if you get this upset about all posts that seem to mimic Ann Cou*ter, Sean H*annity, Glenn B*ck, etc.

Almost none of them are sincere about the Wackiness. And if they ARE, they're tombstoned pretty quickly.

Welcome!!!

[Ecumenist]

59. Hi Nita...

Welcome to DU...Right tameetcha! :hi: Calm down. YellowCanine was being FACETIOUS. You'll get that alot here.

[thecrow]

69. I think the quote is: Judge NOT lest you be judged.

Welcome to DU.

[datasuspect]

103. who gives a flying rat's filthy fucking ass what the bible says?

you're not pro-life, around here, you're ANTI-CHOICE.

[liberation]

27. so-called pro-lifers only concern themselves with the 5 seconds which conception takes

any other time before or after in the lives of the people they are ever so concerned about is of no consequence to them.

[AngryKansasknitter]

36. I'm a pro-lifer..

But,unlike the rest of them, I also firmly believe that sanctity of life goes beyond protecting the unborn. Then again,I also think that sanctity of life covers everyone on the planet, and SHOULD be a human right, even if it isn't particularly so. It's just that I believe that life is a gift of God, and we should respect and revere that. While I personally believe that- I have GOOD reason to do so. You see, my birth mother's family wanted to abort me, but,she wouldn't do it. God had a plan, even then. I was three months old when I was placed in my REAL Parents custody, and two months later, my adoption was final. If not for God's plan for me, I probably wouldn't otherwise be here....please understand while I passionately stand for the sanctity of life, and am pro-life, I won't force MY beliefs on another, and ask that the same courtesy extend to me as well. Easy, no?

Nita

[HopeHoops]

41. Yes, but you are a REAL "pro-lifer", unlike the fanatics who firebomb abortion clinics.

And the "everyone on the planet" concept is critical. How can people who want to ban abortion have no problem with bombing the shit out of women and children in another country. I know people like this. They'll argue to the death against abortion but easily shift to justifying bombing children in Iraq or Afghanistan because, and I quote, "they'll just grow up to be terrorists" or "just kill them all and let God sort them out". Hello? This is Earth calling. Is anyone home?

I consider myself pro-life as well, but I'm not for banning abortions. It should be a safe medical procedure, not an underground risk. Abortion as birth control is pretty sad, but where do you draw the line? I know that happens, but it isn't the norm. That's not an easy choice for any woman to make.

[AngryKansasknitter]

42. thank you...

I can't stand the thought of ANY child being harmed...born or yet to be born!! My family is like that...In fact, just recently, I was disowned by my family because I am for this health care bill, and, made it quite clear that sanctity of life goes beyond abortion, what about after the little one has arrived, and through out a life span? It makes no sense!!!! at least it doesn't to me, at any rate!
I also agree that it needs to be a medically safe procedure...

Nita

[HopeHoops]

60. Making abortion illegal won't reduce the number of abortions - just the number of safe ones.

The way to reduce abortions is through education and contraception (with the added advantage of reducing STDs). The stupid "Just say no" thing is a joke. Kids are GOING to have sex. PUT A RUBBER ON IT!

On a funny note, my eldest is a freshman at college. She was just home on Spring break and presented me with a bumper sticker people had been handing out on campus. It is black with a white shape of a condom (about the right size, too) and the words, "JUST USE IT" on it. I almost choked laughing. I have three daughters and at the point where the older two were becoming "interested", I gave each a box of condoms with the advice, "PUT A RUBBER ON IT!" and the promise that they would be replaced at any point, no questions asked. The third is almost there but not quite.

[thesquanderer]

93. Actually, it would probably do both.

There are some people who would probably be less likely to have an abortion if there were not a safe and legal way to do it. (See post #54 for an example.)

(Don't flame me, I'm pro-choice, I just think it's wrong to say that abortion rates wouldn't go down if it were illegal. Whether or not that's a *desirable* outcome is a different conversation altogether.)

[prayin4rain]

130. agreed. n/t

[iris27]

133. Actually, while I don't have the links handy at the moment, I remember hearing

that abortion rates in the early 70's before Roe v. Wade (73) were no less than the average year since -- and actually higher than some of the individual years since.

[tekmage3000]

109. You chose VERY poorly

Don't shoot the messenger on this one...your Family is right!

Children with pre-existing conditions will NOT be automatically covered!

For further details...

http://www.correntewire.com/children_pre_existing_conditions_will_not_all_automatically_be_covered

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Gap-in-health-care-laws-apf-4272209396.html?x=0&.v=1

[fascisthunter]

51. my apologies... I should be more specific and not so general

I intended what I stated above for those in the pro-life movement, who use the issue as a political football and stir up the most extreme elements in society today to bully people.

[TorchTheWitch]

73. so you're pro-life for yourself and pro-choice for others?

Because you just said you won't force your beliefs on others.

I'm curious what you consider pro-life to mean.

[TicketyBoo]

85. Aren't we all "pro-lifers"?

Who in this world is "anti-life"?

And who in this world is "pro-abortion"? Nobody I know. Most of us here are just like you--pro-choice. Even if we think we could never have an abortion, we don't want the choice taken away from others because of the way we feel about it in our own lives.

I will tell you something. I'm glad I was never in a position to decide (I'm past child-bearing age now) because if I had been single and unable to care for a child, I believe it would have been easier for me to have had an abortion than it would have been to give a child up for adoption and wonder for the rest of my life whether that child was being cared for or if he or she was being abused or neglected.

We cannot say for sure what we would do unless placed in that position. As I said, I'm glad that I never faced that decision, and I have sincere compassion for those women who do face it.

[rucky]

89. Watch this get spun as a victory for unborn rights.

[rocktivity]

7. This story should be broaccast far and wide.

Paging Keith Olbermann!!!

:mad:
rockivity

[The Genealogist]

8. The child was born...no longer worth anything to the RW

Use and abuse RWers are great about stirring up the morality whirlwind when it is politically convenient (fetuses make great rhetorical footballs) but once the child is born, it becomes just another potential "welfare queen" and thus politically inconvenient. I am convinced that the RW big shots really do not care about "the unborn." They are valuable to get donations and stir up the base to vote into office more vile RWers.

[BadgerKid]

11. +1. n/t

[HippieCowgirl]

16. This story has legs - blonde, blue-eyed legs.

Won't be any "welfare queen" rhetoric here - it's a white baby of middle-class white parents in a majority-white small Texas town.

[global1]

21. And Babies That Live - They Send To War.......nt

[Roland99]

13. Memories of Sun Hudson....

:(

[Warpy]

17. Sun Hudson had reached the end of his tiny life

and if you'd researched his condition, you'd know that.

His lungs had already tried to outgrow his rib cage and were partially collapsed. His life on a vent would have been measured in days.

This case is different. This case is correctable with surgery.

That insurance company's executives need to be keelhauled.

[Th1onein]

99. ALL of our lives are measured in days.

Who are any of us to say the worth of those days, to both the child and the family members that love the child? We simply don't have that right, and should not assume it.

[Warpy]

106. How pious.

It doesn't match the reality of suffering on mechanical ventilation in a newborn ICU, though.

Taking him off the vent and letting him slip away in his mother's arms was the kinder thing to do.

[Th1onein]

143. How arrogant.

Can't you see that that is NOT your call to make?

[OKNancy]

15. click the link for the full story from the Ft. Worth paper

It was Blue Cross who did the dirty deed, and....

A five-hour surgery to correct the defect was performed Friday, and Houston is doing well. He is being fed through a tube and must learn to swallow. But he should be able to go home within a couple of weeks, Tracy said.

Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/03/25/2068267/crowley-newborn-with-heart-defect.html#tvg#ixzz0jIR4Ck0W

[lynne]

19. If they had a family policy, the baby would have been automatically added -

- even with the health problem. The Ft. Worth paper states they didn't carry a family policy. They applied for a new, separate policy on the baby after it was born and the condition was known.

It will be good when pre-existing conditions no longer prevent coverage.

[pnwmom]

25. Neither my daughter nor her husband have policies that cover dependents.

It wasn't an option for the policies they have as grad students. And they were told that they couldn't purchase separate, individual insurance for any (prospective) baby until after it was born. And, of course, they could be denied if the baby was born prematurely or had other problems.

What a racket. I'll be breathing a bit easier come September, when the new bill comes into effect.

[One_Life_To_Give]

47. That may depend

My corp. plan automatically allows any child born to/ adopted by the employee to be covered without question. Provided the employee already has coverage for the mom and any children/dependents if applicable. So for a single woman it could be a personal plan and would automatically allow a switch to family upon the "qualifying event".

Not saying your daughters case is one way or the other. May depend upon how the question is asked.

[pnwmom]

53. No, they just don't have ANY plans for grad students that cover dependents.

Even though the students are paid salaries, they don't count as workers the same as the classified staff, the administration, and the faculty.

Up till a couple years ago, it was possible for a grad student to pay extra and buy into a family plan, but that's no longer a possibility. The grad student union fought the change but lost.

My daughter doesn't even have the option of going completely outside the system and buying her own policy (that would cover a dependent) because SHE has a pre-existing condition.

[One_Life_To_Give]

55. Ouch

Being a grad student is tough. And this certainly don't help. Atleast HCR will help.

[pnwmom]

56. I think it will help. Certainly hope so! n/t

[liberation]

29. It'll be even better when health care is no longer a profit proposition for a few corporations

[Heywood J]

49. Unfortunately, that doesn't say who paid for the surgery.

It sounds like the parents got stuck with the bill, and that won't be cheap. I wonder if they've got a collection or something set up.

[Aaria]

18. Everyone needs to copy the article and add" This is what we need reform from" on it and fax it to

The White house and there Reps.
White house contacts.
Comments: 202-456-1111
Switchboard: 202-456-1414
FAX: [phone]

[ecstatic]

20. This is the correct response--whenever an insurer pulls this, the media

should get involved. I bet that baby is covered now.

[Dappleganger]

22. This may sound drastic, but I'm beginning to think that bringing more babies

into a world where they will automatically be denied health coverage and bankrupt their families due to expenses is not a good thing. It's like the insurance company already has their own death panels in place.

FUCK Blue Cross/Blue Shield...not surprised by this but am sick of this happening in so-called developed country.

[demigoddess]

28. don't you just love the results that pro-lifers have had on our country???

in the bad old days of socialism, the kid would have been operated on immediately no question.

[tekmage3000]

113. You man get what you wish for!

U.K. Socialist Healthcare: The babies born in hospital corridors: Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilets

http://lornakismet.wordpress.com/2009/08/26/the-babies-born-in-hospital-corridors-bed-shortage-forces-4000-mothers-to-give-birth-in-lifts-offices-and-hospital-toilets/

[glinda]

30. And Repubs want Texas to sell you Insurance. Pfffft*

[catrose]

92. and the TX atty general is joining the lawsuit

challenging HCR's constitutionality
http://www.texastribune.org/blogs/post/2010/mar/22/tribblog-abbott-explains-health-care-lawsuit/

Jerk.

[AngryKansasknitter]

31. This is heinous and atrocious.....how sadistic and cruel can they be?

I always knew the Insurance industry was cruel and heartless! But, this isn't just inhumane,it's cruel and unusual treatment of a newborn infant. A little one that cannot defend himself! I'm pro-life myself, however, I DO possess at least SOME common sense...and a heart! I am outraged,and burn with righteous indignation that someone could do something SO cruel and sadistic to a little tiny baby!!!!

Nita

[TxVietVet]

97. KKKonservative republiKlans is Texas are idiots

Just read the history of Texas when bu$h was governor. The former crackhead pushed not receiving enough CHIPS fund to help children. Compassionate conservanzis, my ass. Just crooks and lying assholes and they drag the really stupid bible thumpers along with them. They vote against their own best interests.

Children are defenseless. See how much the insurance companies care? See any conservanzi anti-abortionist coming to the rescue? At least I don't have to face their God. How could an asshole who turned this child down for a pre-existing condition go to a church and praise his God. The conservanazis worship a two-headed god. Money and power. They prove it every day. :puke:

[tekmage3000]

114. ...and your Government as well!

Children with pre-existing conditions WILL NOT ALL automatically be covered

http://www.correntewire.com/children_pre_existing_conditions_will_not_all_automatically_be_covered

[SoapBox]

35. The Death Panels ARE the Insurance Companies

Hey St. Sarah the Quitter...explain this Death Panel to America!

[AngryKansasknitter]

39. that's what i've been thinking for a while, now...

you have that SO right...it's really pathetic that our health care industry is nothing more than a death panel...perhaps MORE evil and sadistic than Hitler and the Nazi's were in WWII! Really the ONLY difference is that we, as a society, just turn a blind eye to it, then condemn, belittle and castigate those who are suffering behind their backs....whilst going on our merry way, with out one shred of mercy, compassion,or consideration- after all 'I have mine' or 'me and my four- and no more'- so F word you kind of thing...and the Really sick and twisted thing of it is, it's A lot of so called christians that do that!

And, Palin? that woman lacks the brains to pour urine out of a cowboy boot...how on god's green earth did she manage to become the governor of Alaska??

Not to mention the fact that that ditsy, air headed idiot is only telling on her pimp daddies' TRUE agenda...making death panels to eliminate the poor, and 'heretics', as it were...

[druidity33]

61. i only noticed you today...

but if today's any indication, you'll be a welcome addition to DU. And God bless you for speaking truth. Don't be put off by the occasional rudeness and misunderstanding. If you've got a relatively thick skin, i bet you'll enjoy it here!

Peace to you...

and a hearty Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[tekmage3000]

115. Let Bart Stupak Explain!

Bart Stupak: ObamaCare Is A Death Panel For Children

http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/bart-stupack-obamacare-is-a-death-panel-for-children/

[TxVietVet]

134. conservanazi bu$hit.

[samsingh]

38. this is terrible and a fault of the repugs

[AngryKansasknitter]

40. If I could give you reputation points, I definitely would!!!!

given the fact that republithugs are only about money, power, greed and themselves...for that reality alone,I'd give you 10,000 of those points,buddy!

Nita

[tekmage3000]

116. ...and Democrats as well

The Democrats have had PLENTY of opportunity since 1963 to reform Healthcare.

http://www.usariseup.com/riseup/race-n-politics/83-john-f-kennedy-and-civil-rights-ted-kennedy-and-health-care-different-men-different-times.html

[One_Life_To_Give]

46. Un-insured mom tries to buy coverage for newborn

According to the full article. Had Mom been insured the newborn would of automatically been eligible.

On the one hand we would all like to see this newborn covered. If a child had been uninsured for the first several years of life and then upon learning of a illness, applied for insurance. Would we think that fair to everyone else in the risk pool? How different is that from the insurance co's perspective is that from this case?

Fortunately we have fixed the problem so soon this will not be able to happen again. As bad as this looks, I can understand why the Ins. Co. has the policy set up the way it is for an uninsured mom.

[tekmage3000]

117. ...but it HAS happened again.

Children with pre-existing conditions WILL NOT ALL automatically be covered...in Obamacare!

http://www.correntewire.com/children_pre_existing_conditions_will_not_all_automatically_be_covered

[TxVietVet]

135. More conservanazi bu$hit above.

[democracy1st]

57. K & R

[yurbud]

58. isn't it time to start giving the death penalty to some insurance execs?

or at least life in prison?

Some of them need to be made examples of or this won't stop. Even with health care reform, these guys will find other ways to screw people.

[Blue_Tires]

63. +1

[eridani]

72. That's a "trigger option" that I could actually support n/t

[patrice]

98. ?

I thought I had a sense of who you are. I guess I was wrong.

[tekmage3000]

118. Will You do the SAME Thing to Government Officials?

Children with pre-existing conditions WILL NOT ALL automatically be covered

http://www.correntewire.com/children_pre_existing_conditions_will_not_all_automatically_be_covered

[TxVietVet]

136. This looney conservanazi has a one track mind.

[musical_soul]

64. Oh my God.....

Maybe this healthcare reform isn't such a bad thing. I don't know how this will all work out, but
this has to come to an end.

[tekmage3000]

119. ...its WORSE!

You're going to be paying more in taxes and destroy savings.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/24/news/economy/health_care_reform_obama.fortune/index.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnABDaquA1s

http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/jim-cramer-obama-destroying-life-saving.html

[TxVietVet]

137. I'm sure your conservanazi republiklans will save your ass.

[WinkyDink]

67. Pro-life at its finest.

[patrice]

102. Yeah, with a heart defect he can't fight a War.

[panzerfaust]

68. Durn, that makes me proud to be a Texican!!

Might be why we are (I believe) number ONE in infant mortality in the United States.

[tekmage3000]

123. ...you're wrong

Mississippi #1
Texas #29

http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank17.html

...and it Texan...NOT Texican.

All this is so easy to look up ya know!

[zbdent]

70. Don't forget ... signed into law under Governor George W. Bush ...

if they can't pay the health care bills, an accountant, sorry, a "Death Panel accountant" decides whether or not this baby will live ...

[tammywammy]

78. Yep, the Futile Care Law. n/t

[Th1onein]

101. THAT'S NOT TRUE.

My sister was insured to the hilt and they still tried to kill her. What happens is that the insurance companies negotiate with the hospitals that they will pay so much for every day that the patient is in intensive care, on the regular floor, constant care, etc. If the hospital has a patient that is taking more than the average number of days in high cost care, the insurance company begins to put pressure on them to pull the plug. Insurance or no insurance, if you're very sick in Texas, the hospital will let you die. They hold "ethics committee" meetings staffed with hospital employees and those employees vote to withhold care from the patient. Withhold care, the patient dies, the insurance company cuts it's losses. They make more money if you're dead, you see? They are NOT in the business of providing health care. They are in the business of denying it.

[tekmage3000]

124. ...and don't forget Bart Stupak

Bart Stupak: ObamaCare Is A Death Panel For Children

http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/bart-stupack-obamacare-is-a-death-panel-for-children/

[TxVietVet]

138. Ever heard of the Texas Futile Care Law?

george bu$h signed it into law in Texas. his buddies in the health and insurance industries created a DEATH PANEL sytem in Texas where the hospital can disconnect you if they determine if they can't "save" you.

Now, I dare any conservanazi idiot to say that the Dems are creating death panels. ANY CONSERVANAZI. Step up, bozo.

[TxVietVet]

140. That's the bu$h actual "Death Panel" law.

conservanazis love bu$h and they love his laws.

[Th1onein]

144. Yes, that's the Death Panels. Bush brought them to fruition in Texas.

My family had to PICKET the damn hospital to keep them from killing my sister. And she had insurance! That was the problem: The insurance companies wanted her dead; she was costing them too much money!

[orbitalman]

75. Jeeesus, Joseph & Mary. nt

[DesertDiamond]

76. Dammit!! They have no humanity!! None whatsoever!!

[DesertDiamond]

77. When does the HCR bill mandate of no denials for preexisting for children start?

[Skittles]

80. six months

plenty of time for them to think up new schemes

[TicketyBoo]

83. 6 months from the date

Obama signed the law, I think. That's what I heard.

[tekmage3000]

125. Not Until 2014

Children with pre-existing conditions WILL NOT ALL automatically be covered

http://www.correntewire.com/children_pre_existing_conditions_will_not_all_automatically_be_covered

[tango-tee]

82. This makes me sad, and sick to my heart, and it pisses me the hell off.

Where are all the so-called pro lifers? Is life only sacred as long as it is in the womb? And once it has passed the birth canal is it no longer worthy of care? This is so terribly, terribly wrong.

[Auggie]

86. Help spread the word what an evil company Blue Cross is

[tekmage3000]

126. Help spread the word on how evil your GOVERNMENT is!

Children with pre-existing conditions WILL NOT ALL automatically be covered

http://www.correntewire.com/children_pre_existing_conditions_will_not_all_automatically_be_covered

[rucky]

87. Best comment ever under the article...

jonathanseer wrote on 03/27/2010 00:25:33 AM:

Obviously the father is a Democrat and to blame and should bear the entire cost, and thinks it's government's job to bail thim out every time something happens.

Babies die every day. It's no big deal, and society is better for it, because the defective babies won't grow up to become huge burdens on the American taxpayer, and reproduce and have even more taxpayer funded babies that need millions of dollars in tax money to survive.

Why if we stopped wasting taxpayer money on these genetically defective infants we could save billions and put it towards better use like tax cuts.

A God-fearing, country loving Republican he would have refused any and all treatment he could not afford out of pocket, and taken the baby to the nearest isolated hill and leave the sickly baby in in the hands of nature to expire naturally from exposure - just like the very wise Ancient Spartans did.

Of course I know decent hills are few and far between in Houston, so I would understand how the gu'ment might give him a few bucks to catch a bus to the nearest decent sized hill.

HOWEVER, getting back would have to be on his NOT MY, not the taxpayers dime.

A Tea Party for real life is what this nation needs over bleeding heart liberals who want to nationalize caring and force everyone to carry the burden of maintaining a functioning safety net on the real American patriots who know by supporting themselves and no one else they are doing the right thing

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/26/91120/texas-newborn-denied-health-insurance.html#Comments_Container#ixzz0jNipo6QN

[go west young man]

88. I would like to light a little candle for Rose.

She was a friend of mines newborn baby girl who came home from the hospital with a lung defect and died two months ago. In the U.S. we have an infant mortality rate of 38th in the world mainly due to the fact that parents have the baby and get out of the hospital as fast as they can as bills of over a thousand dollars a day quickly add up. So my friends came home with her and the defect wasn't caught at the hospital. In Russia and the UK newborns are kept in the hospital for a week or more to make sure they are fine and lifesaving equipment is close by in case somethings wrong. Rose died because of the way things are in the United States. If she was in Russia she would have lived. Who has the best health care in the world? Not the fucking USA. We have for profit corporations controlling prices and treatment, worrying consumers, and causing the death of little Rose.

[midnight]

100. What a very sad consequence of for profit insurance-the loss of Ross.

[Brickbat]

120. Interesting that you mention Russia.

I lived there for awhile and a friend came to visit us here in America right after my daughter was born. We were talking about post-natal care and she asked how long in was in the hospital. I said, "48 hours after she was born." We were speaking Russian and even though my Russian is fluent, she replied, "48 DAYS, yes?" and I said, "No, 48 HOURS." She repeated it to me in Russian and English a couple times. She was shocked and disgusted. I told her it was routine.

[tekmage3000]

127. I doubt your information

England has a better infant mortality rate but NOT Russia. Babies go home immediately in England immediately if no complications. No info on Russia.

http://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/news/20081015/infant-mortality-us-ranks-29th

England - 23
U.S. - 29
Russia - 35

http://www.nhsgrampian.org/nhsgrampian/gra_display_simple_index.jsp;jsessionid=23923957A92496CF6C8121D234EBCCB2?pContentID=360&p_applic=CCC&p_service=Content.show&#1

When can I go home?

Many women now choose to go home straight from the Midwive's Unit. If you plan to do this make sure you have organised some support at home. If you have a Caesarean section and a straightforward recovery the stay is normally three to four days. Your baby will be examined while you are in hospital to make sure he or she is healthy enough to go home. When you go home your community midwife is informed and she will continue your care at home.

[go west young man]

142. Your info is old.

The CIA factbook has the US at 35th for 2009. Russians do stay 7 days. England has midwives and at least 4 day stays as you stated. The US has get the fuck out before you go broke within 48 hours. Do you seriously believe that is a good system compared to the other countries I mentioned?

[Jakes Progress]

90. This will continue.

Since the HCR bill still leaves the money and the decisions in the hands of corporations, this will continue.

Congress can pass a law about this particular issue, but corporations will find a way around it.

The president can sign a bill promising our insurance, but the purpose of a corporation is to maximize profit. They will always be looking for ways that bring them more money. Any profit is not enough. Their purpose is to always be making more. That's what a corporation is. As long as we send our tax money to them, their job will be to find ways to pay out less.

[Xenotime]

91. It's too bad he wasn't born a female.

[AllyCat]

94. Dear God I hate insurance companies. I HATE them!!!

Of course it's a pre-existing condition...it's genetic you sick bloated fat cats! Using their logic, nearly EVERYTHING could be considered genetic: ear infections? Kids have horizontal eustacian tubes. Developed high cholesterol? Probably familial hypercholesterolemia (genetic tendency). Developed high blood pressure? Must have had kidneys that weren't right since birth.

[Name removed]

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[defendandprotect]

95. GOP-"pro-life" health care . . . Oops! you're not a fetus--!!!

[Proud Liberal Dem]

105. This is a terrific story to throw in the face

of any Republican who has signed on (or is thinking about signing on) to their leadership's mad "Repeal HCR" campaign. Hopefully, the Democrats will make sure stories like this get highlighted (and often) whenever they show up to debate a loony right winger who wants to get rid of HCR.
:mad:

[tekmage3000]

129. Hey, I got a story to throw back as well...WooHoo!

Children with pre-existing conditions WILL NOT ALL automatically be covered

http://www.correntewire.com/children_pre_existing_conditions_will_not_all_automatically_be_covered

Freedoms you will loose

http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/24/news/economy/health_care_reform_obama.fortune/index.htm

MSNBC Hates Obamacare too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnABDaquA1s

http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/jim-cramer-obama-destroying-life-saving.html

[Proud Liberal Dem]

132. Boy, Talk about a freeper suicide run!!!!

:eyes:

Hope he's enjoying his pizza!!!

[TxVietVet]

139. Stupid conservanazi doesn't give up with his propaganda.

[Name removed]

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[fleabert]

112. because you cannot get insurance for a person who does not exist yet...

and perhaps they were denied themselves for pre-existing conditions- like PREGNANCY.

[gkhouston]

122. actually, my munchkin was considering covered under "my" policy before she

was born and up to X days afterward. X was either 30 or 90, I don't remember now. After that, she was still covered (we had a family plan) but under her own name. But I had a pretty decent PPO plan back then. They were even up to paying for a third day postpartum, but I left on the second day because the hospital was under renovation. No way was I getting any rest in there.

And all of this goes to demonstrate how variable insurance coverage is in the US, which sucks big green donkey dicks. All of us should have decent coverage.

[prayin4rain]

131. I don't want to give my money to these bastards. n/t

[AlphaCentauri]

141. unbelievable, only in America

[marshall]

145. Current law protects coverage for newborns when the parents have coverage

I'm not sure if the same loophole exists in the new law. Or if it does not, when coverage will kick in over the next few years.