‘Black Widows’ linked to Moscow blast

[Jennicut]

Source: Toronto Star

Cathal Kelly Staff Reporter

For the first time in nearly six years, Chechnya’s Shahidka – or Black Widows – have been linked to a terror attack inside Russia.

On Monday, Russian authorities say a pair of women ignited suicide bombs inside the Russian subway. Nine hours after the morning rush-hour attacks, 37 people were listed as killed in two separate attacks.

News reports have linked the women to embattled northern Caucuses and the Shahidka movement that first sprouted there in 2000. The term is a feminine derivation of shahid, the Arabic word for “witness,” or “martyr.”

The black widows are reportedly Chechen women who have lost husbands and brothers in the fight against Russian military forces. They are generally young, often teenagers. They wear mourning clothes – dressing in black from head to toe.



Read more: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/786943--black-widows-linked-to-moscow-blast

[unabelladonna]

1. what causes monsters to think that killing innocents

on subways is acceptable? what in their culture condones this activity?

[mike_c]

2. what makes you think it has anything to do with their culture?

Remember Timothy McVeigh? What is it about our culture that condoned bombing government buildings and killing hundreds of innocent office workers?

I suspect we're not going to find the answers to questions like this as long as we insist on looking down our noses and regarding desperate people as "monsters."

[AlphaCentauri]

6. Anyone killing in the name of their religion is a monster

because God is the creator of life

[mike_c]

8. please-- you lose all credibility when you invoke superstition and myth...

...to explain events in the real world.

[AlphaCentauri]

11. I'm just remarking what the bombers believe

don't they believe God did create them and gave them life?

[mike_c]

14. sorry-- my caffeine titer is low still this morning....

I thought you were offering that as a serious explanation. My bad.

[ShortnFiery]

29. Then what do we call it when OUR BOMBS killed those members of the Wedding Party

in Afghanistan? A Wedding Gift? Nope = State Sponsored Terrorism.

[Regret My New Name]

37. So these ladies are not monsters for killing these Russian civilians

because the US bombed a wedding party in Afghanistan?

[Jennicut]

3. These are women who have lost their husbands/brothers to fighting in Chechya. They are most likely

after revenge. Traumatized perhaps. And they are easily manipulated as many are teens. But not everyone who this has happened to reacts by hurting innocent people.

[RaleighNCDUer]

18. Exactly. They didn't come to this on their own.

Someone channeled and nurtured their PTSD, and pointed them at Moscow like a gun at a target.

Nowhere, whether it's Russia, Iraq, Palestine or Europe, is the PLANNER of the suicide bombings the actual bomber. The planner is a cold-hearted criminal who uses the bomber's pain to turn him, or her, into a weapon.

[Jennicut]

21. Exactly. They are confused and easy prey for a master mind -type to take advantage of.

[Roland99]

4. anger, revenge, distorted view of their faith

[PassingFair]

19. You left out "nothing to live for".

I have never had my family dragged out and
killed and my village burned to the ground.
But if that happened to me, revenge wouldn't necessarily
be "off the table".

[superconnected]

23. If you read further into the subject, suicide bombers are usually severely manically depressed

from loss of a loved one and get recruited because they are very suicidal and told the way to make a difference for their loved one is to get back at the infidels - whoever terrorist org is against.

Israel has studied this and put out lots of reports on the clearly mentally ill people who get recruited to carry out suicide bomber attacks.

[ShortnFiery]

30. Too Bad Israel hasn't found a humane way to counter such actions ... other than

collective punishment and more incursions with bombings. :(

[Chulanowa]

24. What causes monsters to thing that killing innocents

in Chechen villages is acceptable? What in their culture condones this activity?

[ShortnFiery]

28. EVERY Culture has it's suicide squads if they are pushed to "the brink" ... it's not "us" vs. "them"

[ShortnFiery]

27. They were innocent babies at one time ... what do you suppose happened to them?

Perhaps they saw horrific violence? ... They are still human beings who have done a terrible act.

Never forget, this was done by HUMAN BEINGS to other HUMAN BEINGS. :scared:

[AlphaCentauri]

5. Can they think freedom outside their religion?

[Poll_Blind]

7. I'm pretty sure the "black widows" were also part of that takeover of...

...the Russian theater years back, the one where Putin uses that opiate-like gas to subdue the terrorists as well as the hostages with many losses of the innocents life.

PB

[Jennicut]

9. There were 3 of them but apparently they refused to set off the bombs with the children there

per the article I posted above.


In April 2005, the identity of the shahidka female militants was revealed:

* Roza Nagayeva (30) - A Chechen woman from the village of Kirov-Yurt in Chechnya's Vedensky District, sister of Amnat Nagayeva, who is suspected of being the suicide bomber having blown up one of the two Russian airliners brought down on August 24, 2004. Roza Nagayeva has previously been named as having carried out the bombing of Moscow's Rizhskaya metro station on August 31, 2004.
* Mairam Taburova (27) - A Chechen woman from the village of Mair-Tub in Chechnya's Shalinsky District. Also spelled Maryam.
* Khaula Nazirov (45) - A woman from Grozny, her husband had supposedly been tortured to death by Russian security forces. Her 18-year-old son and her 16-year-old daughter, along with their cousins, were reportedly killed a year earlier when Russian forces bombed a school in Chechnya.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis

[Poll_Blind]

10. I'm a doof- didn't read the full article, Reading it now... n/t

PB

[Jennicut]

12. I edited in more info to my post to you about them from wikipedia.

[Poll_Blind]

13. Just read the full article and your addenda as well- thanks! I worry about...

...family members of the numerous people we kill doing just what these women do, to us.

PB

[Jennicut]

15. It can create new terrorists. We have to walk a fine line between deciding what

helps our security in the US and what hurts it. Many times we just make things worse. Russia should know this better then us, they have been attacked by Chechen rebels many times. Instead of giving independence to Chechnya, their society has been radicalized.

[gmpierce]

22. As usual -

It's partly politics, partly economics and partly stubbornness.
Chelchnya is a link to the Caspian Sea oil pipeline and also gives Russia access to sea and trade routes.

Might be related to the reason we are currently fighting for an oil pipeline in Afghanistan.

The pipeline is also related to our "protectorates" in Azerbaijan and Georgia and Lebanon and Syria are also part of the mix.

Whether any of this makes any sense is a separate issue.

[ShortnFiery]

33. Yeah, instead of occupying Iraq and Afghanistan, we could have our combat troops move out.

:shrug:

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[Haole Girl]

16. Wow

Women in mourning clothes...

yet another way.

How do you prevent something like that from happening? I guess their clothes probably hid the bombs pretty well.

[Bitwit1234]

17. I agree they are monsters

what does killing innocent people have to do with any cause. That seems to me the type of thing the radical tea bags have shown they will do. People who never bothered them. AND killing those people will not further their cause. In fact the people responsible will be deionized. And it will make their cause worst.

[ShortnFiery]

31. Yeah, like the "gooks" in North Vietnam, they're not human.

:crazy: :sarcasm:

[Jennicut]

34. Oh, I think they are very human and very easily manipulated.

I think we need not look at these people as monsters but look at their reasons for what leads them to do something like this. But then again, we have psych degrees, what do we know?

[Posteritatis]

35. I'm generally willing to dehumanize suicide bombers a bit. (nt)

[Hulk]

20. More militia cowards....

Really makes a lot of progress....kill innocent men, women and children cause you don't like something.

I'm not suggesting that the chechnyan situation is just or even humane...but these types of action accomplish nothing but stir the hate and pain.

Lousy cowards.

[ShortnFiery]

32. Wait! Apples and oranges. Not even close for comparison.

These people are truly F-up but they are not cowards.
Vile behaviors but not that of cowards. :(

[Old Troop]

25. Why hasn't this happened here in America? NT

[pinniped]

26. cancel- dupe post~

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[Rage Inc.]

38. I call BS

Putin's popularity is dropping because of the economy and increasing authoritarianism. But, now, in the wake of this "attack," Russians will doubtless rally around the Kremlin.

Quite a coincidence, hmm?