Spaniards Offended by Wolfowitz Comment

[Judi Lynn]

Spaniards Offended by Wolfowitz Comment

By ANDREW SELSKY
Associated Press Writer


From a fire station to a Madrid bar brimming with bullfighting paraphernalia, Spaniards said Friday they were offended by a senior Pentagon official's remark that bullfighting shows they are a brave people and they shouldn't run in the face of terrorism.

Spaniards saw the remark by Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz as narrow-minded and promoting a stereotype.

"This is an ignorant comment," snapped Madrid firefighter Juan Carlos Yunquera, sitting on a bench outside his firehouse. "For a top official, it shows he doesn't know what he's talking about."

Yunquera, who heard the American official's remarks on the radio, pointed out that Spaniards overwhelmingly opposed the war in Iraq, even as Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar joined President Bush's "coalition of the willing" a year ago and later contributed troops for the occupation.
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http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040319/API/4031...

[Dark Angel]

1. It is a stupid comment

I'm convinced that Wolfowitz and Perle are part of the reason that a few people on here dislike Jews so much. :(

[markses]

5. People here dislike Jews?

Huh? Well, I guess there must be some....

I think people here dislike injustice and tyranny, whether it is being practiced by Osama bin Laden, Ariel Sharon, Yasir Arafat or anyone else. These two specimens (Wolfowitz and Perle) are scumbags first (and by their own making), and Jewish only by the grace (and infinite mercy) of God.

[Dark Angel]

6. Have a look:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1250915

I'd say so.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

25. What exactly are we looking at? IMHO, I think you're trying to...

...fan the flames for a fire that doesn't exist.

[Dark Angel]

30. I wish

I think that you are ignorant about the situation occurring in that thread. Lots of anti-semitic posts.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. And I think...

...that you're dangerously close to posting personally insulting comments. For a person that is trying to prove the point that other people are posting insulting comments I find your methods a bit suspect.

I also participated in that thread, and I read every one of those posts as they arrived on the board. I think a few of the posts were indeed anti-semitic, but not "lots".

Instead of posting a blanket statement that the thread has "lots of anti-semitic posts", why don't you point out which of those posts you feel are anti-semitic? I might actually agree with you on a few of the posts in that thread, but I'm not going to agree with you that there are "lots".

[Dark Angel]

35. I think that it would be inappropriate to do that in public

I have alerted on the ones that I feel are inappropriate, and the blatant ones will be deleted(I hope).

I just don't think it's within the rules to call out people by pasting some of the posts.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

67. So, you're backing down from your earlier comment about "lots"?

[dax]

87. Hello-their are du posts that are anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-asian etc.

Just goes to show DUers are a cross section of people who are maybe enlightened on some issues and not so bright on others-part of what gives this forum some depth-people are not afraid to take it on but I agree that makeing blanket judgement statements is provocative and not at all constructive. While one person may have prejudices, others lack mediation and educational skills to deal with that as it should be- on a case by case basis-changing perception causes cognitive dissonance which is uncomfortable-a fancy word that means what you always believed to be true was false, that your perceptions were manipulated in some way, either by your own inadequacies or controlled propaganda or both, or bad science to interpret evidence. In any case it is brave to get through it and survive. Nothing speaks to power better than the truth.

[Dark Angel]

36. I'm not personally insulting you

Stating that you might not know what you are talking about is not insulting you. Other people have posted much more insulting stuff to me that was not construed as a personal attack.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

68. How old are you really?

[ParanoidPat]

77. Hmmmmm.....

......could ya' be more specific? :shrug:

[Just Me]

27. Please, distinguish anger against poor leadership from a "people",...

,...as most people are capable of doing. Hey, Al Franken is Jewish!!! He published a book which was very specific about "lying liars". We don't condemn whole peoples, like the neo-fascist corporatist leaderships do. We stand for all humanity and against such obsessed, greedy control-freaks. We are the ones who embrace all human life,...unlike the elite wacko leadership that is dividing this world. We may not always be as perfect in defining our stand for humanity as we would like to be,...but,...we are the true warriors for the value of each human life, unlike those leaders who are exploiting the rest of us.

Please, get some perspective and join us, the rest of humanity who is unwilling to be oppressed or used or left behind!!!

[Dark Angel]

39. I already joined

nt. Btw, Al Franken supports Israel. He said so in his newest book.

[w4rma]

53. One can support Israel *and* Palestine *and* Iraq *and* Syria.

I happen to. I also happen to believe that the direction that Sharon is taking Israel is bad for Israel and all involved.

[SemperEadem]

85. How did this discussion went from Spain to Israel

Yeah... I'm wondering, too.

[still_one]

7. Anyone who paints a group of people with one brush

based on opinions of someone in that group are bigots!!!

Don't forget PNAC was supported by quite a few people, some Jews, and some non-Jews.

Anyone who dislikes Jews based on the ideas of Wolfowitz and Perle, and just as bad as the neoCons!!!

[Dark Angel]

10. I concur

nt

[Old and In the Way]

11. If their names were O'Leary and Flanagan, I'd dislike them

without prejudice to their ancestor's origin.

[Dark Angel]

12. You're a good person

But not everyone is. Everyone knows what people mean when they reference Israel and PNAC and Wolfowitz and Perle, all in one paragraph.

[SquireJons]

24. Pick who you want to defend

...Jewish people or Israel. I have no problem with people of Jewish faith. They have been a progressive force in the US for many decades. But don't ask me to like Israel. I don't.

As far as I'm concerned, Israel is the root of the majority of the problems in the Middle East, and the primary reason for terrorism. If Israel were to give back the land they stole from Egypt, Jordan and Syria in the Six Day War (which they started), then there would be a good chance for world peace. But Nooooooooooooooo...

God promised them this land and they're going to keep in no matter what. Add to that the fundies apocalyptic dreams and you have the biggest FUBAR since the Opium Wars in China.

Jews - good
Israel - bad

[Dark Angel]

28. Wrong

And I am not saying that everything Israel does is good, and that all Jews are good. Most Jews are good, and I personally believe that most things Israel does are good. But I don't say that all Jews are good. No sect of people are without fault.

Let me get to the issue of the Six Day War. I think you're wrong about it.

Was Israel the agressor in 1967? Did Israel attack peacefull Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq on June 5, 1967 and wrestle the Gaza Strip from Egypt, the "West Bank" from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria?

In May 1967, Egypt and Syria took a number of steps which led Israel to believe that an Arab attack was imminent. On May 16, Nasser ordered a withdrawal of the United Nations Emergency Forces (UNEF) stationed on the Egyptian-Israeli border, thus removing the international buffer between Egypt and Israel which had existed since 1957. On May 22, Egypt announced a blockade of all goods bound to and from Israel through the Straits of Tiran. Israel had held since 1957 that another Egyptian blockade of the Tiran Straits would justify Israeli military action to maintain free access to the port of Eilat. Syria increased border clashes with Israel along the Golan Heights and mobilized its troops.

Arab mobilization compelled Israel to mobilize its troops, 80 percent of which were reserve civilians. Israel feared slow economic strangulation because long-term mobilization of such a majority of the society meant that the Israeli economy and polity would be brought to a virtual standstill. Militarily, Israeli leaders feared the consequences of absorbing an Arab first strike against its civilian population, many of whom lived only miles from Arab-controlled territory. Incendiary Arab rhetoric threatening Israel's annihilation terrified Israeli society and contributed to the pressures to go to war.

Against this background, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against Egypt on June 5, 1967 and captured the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip. Despite an Israeli appeal to Jordan to stay out of the conflict, Jordan attacked Israel and lost control of the West Bank and the eastern sector of Jerusalem. Israel went on to capture the Golan Heights from Syria. The war ended on June 10.

Israel did indeed simultaneously attack Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq on June 5, 1967. It had little choice. For weeks leading up to that day, Israel's Arab enemies upped the temperature by amassing troops on the borders of the tiny Jewish state, while threatening murder and mayhem.


There's more on the site. While Israel DID technically start the Six Day War, it was pretty clear from all indications that a war was going to happen, and Israel was defending itself. All of the armies from the Arab countries had surround Israel, and she had no other options. The UN would NOT help.

[SquireJons]

40. Doubly Wrong

If you believe that Israel was justified to start a preemptive war, than I guess you would also defend the US's right to attack Iraq. But it doesn't wash with me.

First of all, let's not forget the Suez Canal Crisis, because the Arabs certainly have not and did not in 1967. Israel has been completely duplicitous since it's inception. It is not a 'paradise in the desert' as many people paint it. In fact, without the vast US subsidies, it's safe to say that Israel wouldn't even classify as a second world country.

Again, I think you need to decide what and who you want to defend. If you object to a blanket characterization of the Jewish people, then I'm with you. But if you want to defend an arrogant expansionist near-theocracy, then expect to be slammed. Israel's interests are not even remotely connected to America's interests. Even during the cold war, Israel didn't give a s#!t about our interests.

I'm sticking to my guns: if Israel never existed, that would be a great thing for the world. Why not have a Catholic homeland? And a Muslim one and a Buddhist one too. Countries based on a single religion are bad governments. And I'd love to hear you defend Israels response to the Intifada. They are becoming the very type of state that their grandfathers fled from.

Are you an American or an Israeli? You have to decide, because they are not the same thing.

[Dark Angel]

56. Hardly preemptive

the troops were massing on the border.

[Dark Angel]

57. And don't give me the American or Israeli crap

You sound like the people who criticized Kennedy for being Catholic, and said that he would be loyal to the Pope before America. Pretty prejudiced question.

[SquireJons]

66. It's not crap, and you sound desperate

The reason some people are anti-Semitic (my own mother for instance) is because they think many Jewish Americans are more loyal to Israel than the US. You don't seem to be refuting their concerns. Oh, and btw, this apple rolled a long way from the tree and hasn't stoped yet.

The analogy to Kennedy and the Vatican would be appropriate - if this were the 17th century. As it is, the Vatican holds no territory other than Vatican City, and has no government, army or foreign policy. Therefor, you are comparing apples to cockroaches.

Your argument seems to be that in 1967, Israel had to act, which is the same argument that bush uses, and is totally rejected by moral people because the premise is pretty much baseless. Any civilized nation must act on reality, not preconceptions. The fact is that the United States would never allow the State of Israel to be overrun by Arab nations, and the Israeli's knew it at the time. Also, the Israeli army is and was vastly superior to anything the Arabs could throw at them. If you don't believe me, then look closely at the Yum Kippur War of 73. Initially, the Israeli army was wiped out, but the US sent in cash and arms and instantly the tide shifted.

No, in fact the 6 Day war was a war of aggression on Israels part in order to quadruple their territory and gain control of holy sites. Yes, Nasser was a problem, but not an insurmountable one. Peace could have been maintained, but Israel did not and still does not want peace. Ever since then, Israels stubborn refusal to go back to pre 1967 borders has been the root of all conflict currently in the Middle East.

Your refusal to acknowledge what has already been established as fact marks you more as a Zionist then a Democrat I'm sorry to say.

[DiverDave]

79. We coddle Israel even when they kill Americans

http://www.ussliberty.org/

What say you to this little "mistake"?
Americans died, and the Israelis killed them, on purpose.
Oh, and I also have no problems with people of Jewish faith.
I DO, however, have a big problem with warmongers that use the excuse of "the ends justify the means".

[SquireJons]

81. That seems to have shut him up

What? Don't you want to defend Israels right to attack our spy ships in nutral water?

[dax]

88. You answer your own question with this history...

Preemptive war, trade problems, grab the territory and then keep it. Part of the biggest problem with Israel is that they listened to the IMF banker types and built their economy around methods of agriculture that donot work in the environment. If people who moved to Israel had studied how the natives lived and peacefully coexisted with them, instead of using more land,water and oil than their little "paradise had-there would be no conflict in the middle east. That is not a condemnation of the Jewish people, it is a condemnation of the capitalism they have chosen to substitute for their faith. They have indeed created the terror that now consumes them by using military force instead of mediation, coexistence and eschewing some of the conveniences and profit that make them have to control more and more land .

[Sandpiper]

38. The Zionist/Armageddonite Alliance

Is the source of most of our troubles in the middle east.

But wasn't this thread supposed to be about Spain?

[not systems]

42. What do they mean?

Three of these words PNAC, Wolfowitz and Perle do
go together in one paragraph the forth Israel fits in also.

What point are you trying to make?

If I made a list Al Franken, Albert Einstein, Richard Perle,
Paul Wolfowitz, Noam Chomsky and Michael Savage.

Then said I admire three of these people and dislike or
perhaps even hate three of them would that fail your test.

If I said Israel under Sharon negatively effects my opinion
of it's uncritical supporters would I fail the test?

[annagull]

23. They could have MY last name and I'd thik they were idiots

[aquart]

16. And I'll bet they are the excuse and not the reason.

I had thought the dislike was for Israelis, but I see you perceive a much deeper horror.

How very........interesting.

[Dark Angel]

18. Are you Jewish?

Never forget. That's the motto of Holocaust survivors and their descendants. Never forget. Because it could happen again.

[displacedtexan]

19. not quite

Nie Wieder
Plus Jamais
Never Again

[Dark Angel]

20. It's both

I have heard never again, too, but never forget is also good. I have also heard some say, "Never to forget." That's good though. I'll add it to my sig line. Thanks.

[SquireJons]

34. It has happened again

Several times in fact. While we're at it, lets not forget the Armenians, or the murdered citizens of the former USSR, and countless dead Africans. Slaughter and martyrdom are not the intellectual properties of the Jewish people. Hatred is everywhere.

What really sickens me is when people use such tragedies for political or monetary gain. 'The Passion of Christ' comes to mind. I haven't seen it, and probably won't because bad history makes for bad movies, which is a good reason to skip the up coming Alamo propaganda flick.

There are many things to not forget. Don't fixate on just one. We can't save the poor souls who perished in the 1940's, but we can save hundreds of thousands of lives here and now, if we think rightly and act rightly.

"To fight injustice anywhere is to fight it everywhere"

[Dark Angel]

37. I completely agree with you

But it is part of my duty also to focus on the Holocaust.

Please don't take that focus to mean I don't care about other injustices.

[SquireJons]

44. Timing is everything

I guess what raises questions is that you brought Israel and Jewish people into a thread about Spain. That seems like an obsession to me, and since Israel is a major part of our current troubles, I have a problem with that.

I don't mean to belittle you or question your heart, I'm just one of those people who want to set the record straight about our ties to the State of Israel.

[Dark Angel]

49. Israel is not the villain you make it out to be.

Israel respects women's rights. Can't say that about the Arab nations.

Israel respects minority populations and lets them hold seats in the legislature. Can't say that about the Arab nations.

There are many other differences.

Israel is a democracy. The Arab nations aren't. When did the Palestinians ever get to vote on their leader, or their representatives? Ariel Sharon was elected, as ere Yitzhak Rabin, Ehud Barak, and Netanyahu.

[not systems]

50. Democracy is not a panacea.

As a democracy the USA committed genocide against the
native nations of America.

In a democracy it can be argued that citizens are more
culpable for action of their nation than people living
under dictatorships.

That said if a majority approve of the actions of the
Sharon government, I have no trouble opposing that majority.

A majority of US citizens supported the invasion of Iraq
and continue to support the occupation.

I disagree with them and their antecedents in Israel.

Majority is not morality.

Democracy is not a pass for all immoral acts.

[Dark Angel]

55. So you think fundamentalist dictatorships are better?

:shrug:

I never insisted it was a panacea. But it's certainly better than the alternative, don't you think?

[not systems]

65. Of course democracy is better than dictatorship.

I was pointing out that democracy should not be a
pass for any action a country takes.

I prefer international law, universal human rights and
the world court system above the might makes right
unilateralism that Israel and the USA practice with the
support of each countries majority of voters.

That is why international law is needed to check the
actions of nations even in democratic utopias like
Israel and the USA.

The majority of people will often choose to oppress others if
given the choice between higher gas prices or less available
water and other people suffering.

I would prefer to see Bush and Sharon face a court trial
for what they have done.

[The Zanti Regent]

63. Bishop Tutu on Israel

http://www.interversity.com/lists/aftersept11/archives/apr2002/msg00388.html

A powerful indictment of Israel by Bishop Tutu

South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu has accused Israel of practising
apartheid in its policies towards the Palestinians.
The Nobel peace laureate said he was "very deeply distressed" by a visit
to the Holy Land, adding that "it reminded me so much of what happened
to us black people in South Africa".

[SquireJons]

71. Yes it is.

Just because a country has a democratic process is not reason enough for the United States to become so closely entwined with it. There are many democratic states in the world where we keep an arms distance. It is vital for the United States to be perceived as an honest broker and not one sided. Jordan is a monarchy, as were most of the governments in the Middle East until the 1950's. It can be argued that the pan Arab movement was an attempt to add pluralism to Arab societies. But it was never backed by western powers and therefor disintegrated into despotism in some cases.

The issues are complex and I have no more animosity for the people of Israel than I do for the people of Jordan. But I take extreme exception to Israeli state policies, while you are defending them. OK, go a head and defend a pluralistic society, but you seem to support aggression on Israels part (6 times since 1948). I don't care whether a country is Jewish, pagan or athiest... you can't go around invading other counties to expand your territory and expect world admiration.

[kera]

75. he who lives by the sword dies by the sword

there is a natural justice for the hepless

[SquireJons]

82. Maybe...

But I wouldn't count on it.

[kera]

76. I feel your pain

who controls the Us ? not the We the People that for sure

[Aussie_Hillbilly]

86. Democracy

*** When did the Palestinians ever get to vote on their leader ***

January 20, 1996 was the first Palestinian general election permitted by Israel. There have been others since.

*** Yitzhak Rabin ***
Was elected. Was assasinated by an Israeli colonist for negotiating. Democracy Israel style. Maybe that's what BushCO plan to spread throughout the middle east.

Many Arabs states are undemocratic, but they have only emerged from centuries of foreign occupation after WWII. Here in the West we have a 700 year old English tradition to draw upon. I hope the Arabs reach democracy sooner than we did.

*** Israel respects minority populations ***
You're kidding, right?

[beanball]

51. I hear you brother,

a great statement.

[stepnw1f]

26. I Think People Mainly Dislike...

the policies under Sharon.

[DoYouEverWonder]

45. It has nothing to do with

whether or not they are Jewish or anything else for that matter.

They are evil, lying, reptilian, lowlife scum and scum comes in all shapes and flavors.

It's a bunch of bull when people pull the jewish car whenever their names are mentioned. It would be like claiming people who hate bush, hate all christians.

[Dark Angel]

58. Jewish card

That sounds so Republican, like when they say that people play the "race card".

[not systems]

73. He might have read David Brooks...

he played the card big time.

[David Zephyr]

60. What Does This Lame Statement By Wolfowitz Have To Do With DislikingJews?

Let's leave the Jews out of this, please. :shrug:

Any idiot that would somehow link Wolfowitz's being an asshole with not liking Jews here at the DU is, well...an idiot.

I don't think that Bush makes people here hate Christians.

People who want to hate others based on their ethnicity, race, faith, gender, sexual orientation, age and such will find any reason whatsoever to hate without an excuse such as a statement by Wolfowitz.

[nicecakes]

64. Speaking of promoting a stereotype

"the reason that a few people on here dislike Jews so much."

Do you even have a clue as to what "stereotype" you are yourself promoting?

These subtle slams on the Jewish need to stop.

[markses]

2. Wolfowitz never put his ass on the line ever

He is not qualified to speak about who is brave and who isn't, even in the most abstract of terms. The fact that he immediately turn to bullfighting as a trope is simply the bizarre icing on the cake of his asinine statements.

[saigon68]

84. He's a coward

[Bertha Venation]

3. The Bush Administration is packed to the rafters with IGNORAMUSES.

There! I said it and I'm glad I did!
What a bunch of maroons. :nuke:

[BootinUp]

4. We should call it "School Yard Politics"

Your a big, big chicken! chicky chicky chicken! Na na na nana!

CHICKEN!

Is this what we have come to?

[KissMyAsscroft]

8. Uh, yeah....

Bullfighting=brave.

What an ignorant fuck Wolfowitz is. And there are some people on the right that think that he is some kind of fucking genius. He is an out of touch beaurocrat.

[displacedtexan]

21. Bulls with spears in them

half dead before they enter the arena...

yeah, real brave.

Wolfowitz is still pig ignorant, though!

[SoCalDem]

29. Odd comment coming from a man whose boss...* is afraid of horsies

:P

[SquireJons]

43. Which Boss?

Shrub or Rummy? I hadn't heard about this. I think it would be hilarious if * were afraid of horses given his 'tall texan' image.

But I have heard that Ashcroft is afraid of cats, he thinks they are agents of the devil. Before he speaks anywhere, the secret service has to find and expel any cats in the area... What a nut case (and yes, I do mean scrotum).

[SoCalDem]

47. Shrub.. He has only cows

He is afraid of horses.

[SquireJons]

72. LOL!!!

What a posser...

'big hat, no cattle; big belly, no heart'

[dax]

89. Perhaps because he's a rat?

I always thought he looked like one, maybe he WAS one and just can't stop scavenging even though he has a human body now.

[SquireJons]

48. Wolfie a Genius? Really?

Well, I guess some folks will believe anything.

But I will say this; Wolfie is smooth. Much better at giving speeches and in interviews than anyone else in this mis-administration with the possible exception of Powell. I watched the interview on The News Hour last night and was very impressed with his performance. He sounds reasonable and thoughtful (except for the bullfighting remark; that made me wince and I'm sure he regrets it).

That's the thing about him that's so scary. He doesn't come off as evil and arrogant like Cheney and the rest of them. In fact, he admitted at least three times in the interview that the administration had made serious mistakes in Iraq. As far as I know, that's the first time anyone in the admin has done so. So he adds weight to their spurious policies.

And he's a good dancer... Several times during the interview, he stated that Saddam Hussian had failed to live up to the final UN Security Council resolution. But he never bothered to explain why he felt that way so it was completely unjustified. I wish Jim Lehre had pressed him on the issue, but I guess he didn't think it appropriate to grill the Undersecretary of Defense on national TV. Funding is important, ya know...

[Barkley]

9. The U.S. pulled its troops and bases out of S. Arabia because of 9-11

But of course that's different isn't it ...

[NC_Nurse]

13. He needs a recto-craniectomy

like the rest of the dipsits in the * cabal!:evilgrin:

[yellowcanine]

14. Aren't we lucky duckies that the adults are in charge?

No one will ever accuse Wolfowitx of practicing diplomacy, that's for sure.

[Just Me]

15. Wolfowitz has become what he most fears,...

,...a destructive demon. He is living proof of how "fear" is a tool of darkness that humanity can either use (by buying and selling it) or reject (by creating something better).

[aquart]

17. I completely agree.

[bucknaked]

22. I'd bet they wouldn't... what Wolfowitz doesn't seem to understand though,

Is that Iraq had little to nothing to do with terrorism before he and co. decided it did, and made the invasion an excuse for further attacks.

[ewagner]

41. Disagree

he does understand that Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism. I didn't matter. He helped aided and abetted lying us into war. In my book that makes him all the more evil!

[rocktivity]

31. Well, they won't have to fight YOUR bull anymore, Wolfie!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Art_from_Ark]

54. But we're still fighting it!

So I guess that makes US brave "bull"fighters, too!

:bounce:

[NeoConsSuck]

33. Wolfowitz almost bought it on one his "surprise" visits to Iraq..

I'm hoping he gives the Iraqi's another chance, and they have better luck the next time.

The planet would be a lot safer and saner with him gone.

[Dover]

46. Couldn't get the Times Daily link to work. Here's another one:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/8229795.htm?1c

[daleo]

52. Bullfighting makes sense

Compared to the war in Iraq. But if he likes the analogy to bullfighting, I would extend it to say that the invaders are like the bull - they seem tough, but in the long run they don't stand a chance.

[David Zephyr]

59. This Asshole Should Be Fired Immediately!

The entire Bush administration is nothing less than a clusterfuck of drooling morons who have taken stupidity in government to an all-time new level.

[rfkrocks]

61. Good grief=leave the frigging Spanish people alone you moron

I don't remember them being insensitive to all losses on 9/11-in fact weren't they empathetic like most of Europe (even gasp! the French)-this administration cannot respect other people unless they follow our great leaders way-I am embarrassed to be an American right now-what we would should be doing is joining in the grief of Spain-just like our loss on 9/11 theirs was painful-really it is unbelievable that we can't let the Spanish run their own country

[Disturbed]

62. Wolf twit

He is an azzhole.

As a frequent poster here, I feel it necessary to clarify something.

I do not like most the policies of the present Admin. of Israel. I hold absolutely no prejudice toward Jews. I don't have any solutions for that real unfortunate situation even though I have been studying the dilemma for years. It is sad for most concerned in that region. So much pain, maiming and death for the people there. ;(

[Chovexani]

69. Is Wolfie going to boycott Taco Bell now?

Ig'nant, as Chris Rock would say, but par for the course for this bunch.

--C, eating Freedom Rice

PS: JESUS I haven't seen such blatant thread-jacking in a long time. Can ya'll keep that circle jerk elsewhere please?

[NV1962]

70. I'm mulling over an equally putzy comment about rodeo

but it's hard to compete with that titanic powerplant of intellect.

Paul, you're a putz.

[Cocoa]

74. I couldn't believe it when I heard it

it was the stupidest thing I'd heard on PBS in a long time. He actually thought he was complimenting the Spanish.

[lebkuchen]

78. Wolfie's embarrassed wife is trying to cover up for his buffoonery

She said that Wolfie's definition of foreplay was "Are you awake, dear?"

[indepat]

80. Almost the entire world is offended by Rummy's words/actions

[The Stranger]

83. Paul Wolfowitz, as Deputy Sec. of Defense, was instrumental in sending

this country to war based on lies, beginning soon after 9-11. He should be investigated by Congress and either resign or be removed from office.

[JoFerret]

90. Bush family appeaser