(Ne) Pre-abortion requirements pass (first of it's kind meant as a barrier to abortions)

[Omaha Steve]

Source: Omaha World Herald-AP

LINCOLN (AP) -- Nebraska lawmakers have given final approval to a bill supporters say could help prevent post-abortion medical problems, but opponents say is really meant as a barrier to abortions.

The bill (LB594) passed Monday now goes to Gov. Dave Heineman, who says he supports it.

It has been called a first for the country. It would require women wanting abortions to be screened by doctors or other health professionals to determine whether they were pressured into having abortions. They also would have to be screened for risk factors indicating they could have mental or physical problems after an abortion.

If a screening were not done, a woman could file a lawsuit.

Read more: http://www.omaha.com/article/20100412/NEWS01/704129876/1009#pre-abortion-requirements-pass

[mnhtnbb]

1. Leave it to the idiots in NE. How about a screening to determine

whether women were pressured into continuing an unwanted pregnancy and screening for risk factors
indicating they could have mental or physical problems after giving birth to an unwanted child?

I am SO glad I no longer live in NE. The state motto should be "Ignorant and proud of it."

[ixion]

5. yeah, I grew up in Lincoln, and had to leave

because of attitudes like this. :argh:

[New Dawn]

21. Yes, this even far worse than when the legislature allowed...

Yes, this even far worse than when the legislature allowed parents to abandon their children at local hospitals. People were, literally, driving here from all over the country to abandon their children (many were teenagers), until they finally revoked that idiotic law. That was a couple of years ago, I believe.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. There is no way that kind of language can be taken as anything but being a barrier.

[Beaverhausen]

3. Is this screening performed for any other medical procedure?

it's unconstitutional. Abortions are legal. Period.

[4lbs]

6. Yes they are. Not those exact screenings, but other medical procedures have screenings.

These screenings determine viability and health of the recipient of the future medical procedure.

When I was in the hospital, my parents tried to donate blood for transfusions to be given to me. The hospital told my father he was too old, and my mother was too small (only 100 lbs) to donate.

Organ donors are screened for diseases and medical conditions. I'm talking about living donors that want to donate a kidney or part of a liver.

There is also quite a bit of pre-natal screening done on pregnant women to determine any genetic conditions or issues the fetus or woman may have before the woman gives birth months later.

[enlightenment]

10. I think the reference was to psychiatric screenings.

Everything you mentioned is a screening to determine physical health and viability, which is more than a little bit different.

This is designed to have a further chilling effect on women seeking an abortion; to take advantage of women when they are already in a stressful situation; to make women wait that much longer before they can proceed with a legal medical procedure.

Not really the same as screening for disease or genetic conditions.

[4lbs]

11. Well, psychiatric screening I agree is a little out there.

In all, it does seem another way the Conservatives are hitting abortion. Instead of trying to overturn Roe v. Wade, which they now admit is almost impossible, they are focusing on any way to make obtaining an abortion that much more difficult. Their hope is that the woman will find all the hoops and hurdles she has to jump through just to get an abortion will cause her to say "forget it" and have the kid.

[kimmylavin]

12. Because that would be easier, right?

Honestly, these people are so self-defeating that it hurts.

[aquart]

14. I hope their dicks fall off.

And hit their balls on the way down.

[No Elephants]

44. Not really analogous. Did they screen you to see if you had been pressured into

wanting to receive blood, or if you might possibly suffer adverse physical or emotional consequences from receiving blood?

And receiving blood is not even a Constitutional right.

[No Elephants]

43. Not since Sandra Day O'Connor retired.

[Taverner]

4. Fucking A...another stupid law obviously passed by men

As a man, I can recognize these sorts of things

[No Elephants]

45. As a woman, so can I.

[Walk away]

7. Steve, you have got to move!

Pack up your family, sell the house and get the hell out of there! Seriously!

[BlueIris]

8. Ew. Misogyny rules in Nebraska, I see. nt

[Warpy]

9. Uh, most clinics have counseling as part of the process

and already screen for that stuff.

This is a feel good bill by ignorant men who don't know what clinics do.

[Dorian Gray]

40. When I had a miscarriage

and had to have a D&C to remove the fetal tissue, the hospital gave me a pre-screening examination prior to surgery. I assumed that was normal for whenever a patient was going to be put under anaesthesia. (I'm in NYC, and maybe my screening only occurred because the doctors in a hospital performed my procedure. If I had it done in a clinic, it could have been different.)

[aquart]

13. So are social services in place to support, feed, and educate these children?

BTW, MALE doctors are going to be doing these screenings?

AND WTF do they mean "RISK FACTORS"?????

Sue their fucking asses off. HOW DARE THEY?

Nebraska women are wimps.

[Scout]

15. the good clinics ALREADY have counselors who do their best to

determine if the woman is being coerced into an abortion she doesn't really want.

legally, the last thing they need is for someone to come back later and claim the clinic somehow forced them into it....

ethically they don't want anyone deprived of or forced into abortion.

this stupid shit is ONLY to throw up another barrier for woman.

[kiranon]

16. Reminds me of movie/tv show MASH. How crazy do you have to be

to have an abortion as in how crazy do you have to act to get out of the military in MASH? What will they do when all the premoms come up crazy? I don't think they thought this through. There is an exception for the health of the mother and there law will establish that the premom's health requires an abortion. Will they force the premoms to have an abortion? This could get interesting. Unintended consequences may strike again.

[TorchTheWitch]

22. why are you calling women "premoms"???

That's so insulting! You might as well just call women incubators and be done with it! They are pregnant WOMEN, not "premoms".

:wtf:

[No Elephants]

46. Self delete.

[BattyDem]

17. So ... what happens after the screening?

If a doctor determines that a woman was pressured and/or she could have emotional problems after an abortion ... then what? Can she still have an abortion? If not, then we all know where this is going: DOCTORS are going to be the ones pressured to find something "wrong" so a woman can't have an abortion. :grr:

If a "problem" is found during the pre-screening and the woman has physical or emotional problems later, will her insurance cover treatment? My guess is no because she ignored a doctor's "advice" prior to the abortion.

By the way ... if a woman doesn't have insurance, who pays for the screenings? :shrug:

[tomm2thumbs]

18. all the politicians out there screwing around on their wives better be using perfect condoms

just sayin'


ridiculously unconstitutional intrusion into privacy

[Hepburn]

19. What fucking bullshit. n/t

[Odin2005]

20. "What's the matter with Kansas?"

:puke:

[swag]

23. Nebraska Passes Controversial Abortion Ban

Source: ABC News

A Nebraska state law that will make abortions illegal after the 20th week of pregnancy has sparked speculation about whether the state ban -- the first of its kind in the United States -- might end up as the subject of the next Supreme Court abortion battle.


Pro-choice and anti-abortion activists demonstrate in front of the Supreme Court building as arguments on Nebraska's partial birth abortion law are heard before the court. A law that makes abortions illegal after the 20th week of pregnancy was signed into law today in Nebraska. The primary goal of the "Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act" is to stop late-term abortions, supporters say. The state law makes it a felony for a doctor to abort a fetus at more than 20 weeks.

Nebraska is the first state to ban abortions based on the controversial notion that a fetus can feel pain at 20 weeks. The state law, which will take effect Oct. 20, now has a post-viability ban on abortion but defines viability on a case-by-case basis.


Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Supreme_Court/nebraska-passes-controversial-abortion-ban/story?id=10361705

[MineralMan]

24. Move away from there, and move your business out of that

state, too. Of course, it's not a hugely populous state anyhow...

[xultar]

25. I'd pack up my shit and get the fuck out. Let the loons have that.

[SkyDaddy7]

30. Hey!

The scary thing is this new law will probably end up in the SCOTUS where they will rubberstamp it and then the entire south will pass similar laws. America is really scary religious country right now!

[bongbong]

26. Medical advice

I've heard that tumors feel pain when they're cut out. We MUST stop cutting those poor suffering tumors out of people's bodies.

[Triana]

32. Only if they're in women's bodies

'cause that's all this BS is about - controlling women via their bodies. These 'pro-lifers' don't give a rat about the hundreds of thousands of orphans we've created in Iraq with our stupid illegal invasion and occupation there.

BUT - those children aren't inside a woman's body - so they don't matter. Funny how that works. Pfft.

The term 'pretentious hypocrites' comes to mind. :eyes:

They don't care about life or who they cause pain to. They care about control. Specifically, control of women.

Women feel pain in childbirth. Do they care about that? Nope. After that baby is out of that womb, do they care about it then? Nope.

These are knuckle-dragging neanderthals that still consider women chattel. They need to learn to walk upright and be civilized. But of course they won't - because the're running the country and they don't have to. They're part of the problem.

When will they make men stop using Viagra? Never. But they'll take away the IUD and contraceptive pills tomorrow if they could. Youbetcha. Like I said, they're part of the problem. They won't ever admit it, but they are.

It's easier to blame women and try to control them, than to change and control themselves.

[okieinpain]

27. pretty soon you will see travel buses that make trips to states

that allow abortions. of course this will drive the so-called christians crazy and they will start blowing up buses and come up with more stupid laws. oklahoma is right behind nebraska with the so-called christian laws.

[alp227]

28. Did any doctors testify before the Legislature? Maybe not,

that's why this pseudoscientific bill passed. "defines viability on a case-by-case basis"? Oh c'mon, this is just an over-reaching Nanny State law that'll be a total waste of Nebraskans' tax money.

[uppityperson]

29. Here's another piece of shit they're trying to pass in Neb. SHAME on them

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100407/NEWS01/704079824/1009#neb-abortion-bill-advances
Published Wednesday April 7, 2010

LINCOLN (AP) - Nebraska lawmakers have advanced a first-of-its-kind bill that would require women to get mental-health screenings before having abortions.

Second-round approval was given to the bill (LB594) on Wednesday. It is expected to get final approval and be signed by Gov. Dave Heineman within the next several days.

Supporters say it could help prevent post-abortion medical problems, but opponents say it’s meant as a barrier to legally ending pregnancies.

After the screenings, women would have to be told whether they had risk factors that could lead to mental or physical problems. But abortions could be performed even if risk factors existed.
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If screenings were not done, women could sue doctors, but the doctors would not face criminal charges.

[louis-t]

31. What's to stop 'screeners' from stating

"anyone who tries to get an abortion must be crazy"? Or, every woman would be told they have "risk factors" and that would end up on their permanent medical record. It would allow religious crazies in the profession to force their views on the rest.

[arcane1]

34. And if said woman is deemed too "crazy" for an abortion...

does that mean she's sane enough to be a parent??

[onpatrol98]

33. So...do they?

Do fetuses feel pain at 20 weeks?

[onpatrol98]

38. hmmm

looks like researchers are saying 26 to 29 weeks...

[OmahaBlueDog]

35. First, you need to understand that there are only three providers in NE as it is

...second, you need to understand that 1 of the 3 is Dr. LeRoy Carhart

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeRoy_Carhart

Now that Dr. Tiller has been murdered, Dr. Carhart is the only Doctor in the region who performs late term abortions. The law is clearly aimed at him.

[The Straight Story]

36. kick (nt)

[Democat]

37. It would be stupid to appeal abortion issues to this activist Supreme Court!

But I wouldn't be surprised to see Republicans pretending to be against it so they themselves can send it to the Supreme Court packed with activist right wingers. Let's hope the balance of the court can be changed before Obama leaves office.

[New Dawn]

39. 17 Democrats are in Nebraska's legislature. 12 voted FOR this reactionary bill (LB1103).

Scroll down to page 6 for the voting results for LB1103: http://nebraskalegislature.gov/FloorDocs/Current/PDF/Journal/r2day59.pdf

This page lists the Senators' party affiliations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_Legislature

For the previous reactionary bill passed yesterday (LB594), only 7 Democrats voted against it (joined by 2 Republicans): http://nebraskalegislature.gov/FloorDocs/Current/PDF/Journal/r2day58.pdf

[David Tea]

41. protest ?

This law is obviously unconstitutional, as well as the fact that the AVERAGE baby starts feeling pain between 24-29 weeks, with some babies feeling pain at 22 and 23 weeks. Hopefully, democrats and progresives will come together to protest this across the country. Anyone know of any future protests in Boston?
Thanks

[coloredbait]

42. jesus christ here we go...

people say 'unwanted pregnancy' like it's some disease they contracted.

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[No Elephants]

48. Behold. The only medical procedure that is a Constitutional right.