Okla. tea parties and lawmakers envision militia

[Tx4obama]

Source: Associated Press

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) -- Frustrated by recent political setbacks, tea party leaders and some conservative members of the Oklahoma Legislature say they would like to create a new volunteer militia to help defend against what they believe are improper federal infringements on state sovereignty.

Tea party movement leaders say they've discussed the idea with several supportive lawmakers and hope to get legislation next year to recognize a new volunteer force. They say the unit would not resemble militia groups that have been raided for allegedly plotting attacks on law enforcement officers.

"Is it scary? It sure is," said tea party leader Al Gerhart of Oklahoma City, who heads an umbrella group of tea party factions called the Oklahoma Constitutional Alliance. "But when do the states stop rolling over for the federal government?"

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TEA_PARTY_MILITIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-04-12-17-54-43

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The nuts are getting nuttier!

[Bitwit1234]

1. Federal law ALWAYS over rides state law.

There is nothing they can do about it.

[SteppingRazor]

4. For all their braying about the Constitution ...

these folks sure seem ignorant of the supremacy clause.

[yellowcanine]

2. Well they can't do that. Only Congress has the power to raise armies. They can have a National

Guard, but it is subject to federalization by the President.

[MUAD_DIB]

17. Bingo. But they'll probably try to call it something else and stay just a hair

on the right side of the law.

[zbdent]

29. as much as they whine and scream about hating lawyers ...

they sure as hell love them enough to hire them to stay just one micron within legality ...

[Ter]

44. Can you show me both laws in the Constitution?

One where it says the NG is subject to federalization, and one where the people can't form private militias?

[Lagomorph]

50. Read this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Defense_Forces

[BumRushDaShow]

3. Treason and Sedition. n/t

[DRoseDARs]

46. I'm confused. A few posts down someone said treason too and I pointed out that sedition was the term

...that was applicable as it involves domestic insurrection without aid of foreign agents, which would fall under treason. That sub thread was deleted. What happened, did another poster go apeshit after that? :shrug:

[DRoseDARs]

47. (Edit time has expired) Never mind, I commented in a different thread, not this one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8140121

[Joey Liberal]

5. I live in Oklahoma

It's a scary place indeed.

[Cha]

12. I'm sorry.

[Joey Liberal]

48. Thanks:)..... nt

[Name removed]

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[theblasmo]

7. Sorry

Yeah, I live in Oklahoma, too. Terribly sorry about all this. Bloody embarrassing, it is.

[damntexdem]

8. Oklahoma politicians are often malicious.

Doc Coburn and Mountain Inhofe are cases in point. These state-level nutcases are no exception.

[pinto]

9. Tea Party whackos are one thing, but to see an elected official give credence to this is extreme.

"State Sen. Randy Brogdon, R-Owasso, a Republican candidate for governor who has appealed for tea party support, said supporters of a state militia have talked to him, and that he believes the citizen unit would be authorized under the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

The founding fathers "were not referring to a turkey shoot or a quail hunt. They really weren't even talking about us having the ability to protect ourselves against each other," Brogdon said. "The Second Amendment deals directly with the right of an individual to keep and bear arms to protect themselves from an overreaching federal government."

Another lawmaker, state Rep. Charles Key, R-Oklahoma City, said he believes there's a good chance of introducing legislation for a state-authorized militia next year."

[donco6]

11. And these are the people who claim to read the Constitution?

Gawd.

[FiveGoodMen]

14. Don't be ridiculous! They can't read.

I doubt they can all pronounce 'Constitution' for that matter.

[louis-t]

10. They would quickly be over-powered by extreme radicals

who would wait for the system to be set up, then move in and bully the more meek.

[emulatorloo]

13. Call it the "Sore Loser Militia" - this is getting insane. WHERE ARE THE GROWN-UPS in OKLA?

[chollybocker]

15. "...with several supportive lawmakers..."

"...some conservative members of the Oklahoma Legislature..."


The AP always goes out of their way to avoid using the word *REPUBLICANS* in these types of stories. Let's call a spade a spade, AP! ;(

[caseymoz]

16. The only "attack" on Oklahoma was on the Federal Building in 1995

By Timothy McVeigh and one or more other militia members.

If they're putting together a militia, and there has been no hostile attack by anyone by right wing nutcases, it's illegally taking up arms against the US.

Due to that attack by a right wing nutcase, it is just idiotic that these people would end up being sympathetic to anti-government people who spilled blood in their state.

[kiranon]

18. That's all we need - competing militias within and between states and against the federal gov't.

Then again, maybe the militias will just take each other out in a circle of militia fighting. Do not think these militia forming people will be able to handle authority well and there will be more than one militia per area. Despite all the tea bags they do not seem like the kind of people who sit down for a civilized cup of tea at tea time. Finger sandwiches anyone? Pass the cream and the ammunition? Oh my.

[KatyaR]

19. And there's a very good chance they'll get their wish.

We elect a new governor this year, and there's really not much chance another Dem will be elected to follow Brad Henry. Mary Fallin's running, and now there's talk that Steve Largent may be looking to run again.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/oklahoma/election_2010_oklahoma_governor

I can't imagine that kind of shit that will come down if we have a Repuke majority Legislature.

In addition, I'm still looking for someone to adopt me AND GET ME THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!!!!

[TxVietVet]

20. Well, Okies, just arm 'em up and stick 'em out there

and see what the f*ck happens. They want a civil war. They actually think they are the majority. They are NOT.

So, quit running their mouths and put up or SHUT THE F*CK UP.

[guitar man]

21. I live in Oklahoma, a couple of things I'd like to say

1.) I'm sorry, not all of us are like this, there are some wonderful progressive people here, I guess there just aren't enough of us and...

2.) I'm considering filing a complaint against these nutbags with the FBI. Enough of this shit, it's treason, and pontential for terrorism. If they can't stand it that a black man was elected president and that we lawfully elected a democratic majority, they need to get the fuck out...enough! :grr:

[TxVietVet]

23. There's nothing wrong with Oklahoma

I'm a union construction worker. I've worked with some folks from Oklahoma in the past. As you say, very progressive folks.
What we have here is a fringe that's getting free press. Then, they think they are great patriots. That's far from the case.
They are inciting insurection against the Federal government. They seem to forget that in the 1860s we fought a civil war over this "states' rights" bushit.

I hope the folks in Oklahoma can think right when they get to the ballot box or else their state is in serious trouble.

[guitar man]

27. I hope they can too

But the problem is they always somehow screw up at the ballot box. That's how we wind up with asshats like inhofe over and over.

The thing that pissed me off the most is they are all chomping at the bit to overturn the healthcare law. It's far from perfect but my family stands to benefit from it and they are bound and determined to get in the way. My health premiums have soared out of control and no matter how long and hard I work, I can't keep up with it. They are really pissing me off, their actions are designed to hurt my family as far as I'm concerned, so they can all smoke a fat turd in hell...all of them. :grr:

[TxVietVet]

40. WE were having a conversation in the hallway the other day....

and a few of the folks were whining about health care reform. I told them that under my contract, my hourly contribution costs between $14k to
$18K a year in health care expenses. I said, they are supposed to pay 80%, not all the time. They have an issue with pre-existing conditions and some diseases they will not cover.
The conversation changed. They were paying out of pocket around $300 a month and getting excellent care. They were complaining.
I've had to give up wage increases to cover my health care premium increases. It's a good thing I have a union job. I'd hate to have to deal with it without it. I'd be in the poor house.
The idiots that believe the conservanazi bushit have it good. They are not struggling trying to make up. Real wages have not increased in years. It's only going to get worse.
People need to organize and oppose these crooks in the health insurance industry.

I'm facing retirement. I have money to pay the premiums and they are not cheap. Luckily, we have a retiree option to our health care plan. It cost a little less than our COBRA payments.

[guitar man]

42. I wish I was union

My premiums have gone up 112% over 3 years and I have not had so much as a single pay raise over those same 3 years. My check just keeps getting smaller, I'm moonlighting more and more to make up the difference.

[TxVietVet]

51. It's only going to get worse

unless people learn from the last century. ORGANIZE.
The conservanazis only care about two things: huge profits and cheap labor. If you aren't cheap labor, you're in the way of them making a huge profit.

[Joey Liberal]

49. Are you serious?

These Okies think Sarah Palin is great.

[CLANG]

22. Are we really this fucked?

This is completely out of control! These people are stupid, evil, and insane all at once!

[TxVietVet]

24. Amen.

[CLANG]

25. Bronze star! (I won't ask), but bless you for your service to US!

Amen indeed!

[TxVietVet]

37. Thank you.

I proudly served for grateful people like you.

[TygrBright]

26. "But when do the states stop rolling over for the federal government?"

I believe the last time it happened was in 1863 or 1864 or somewhere around there.

If I recall correctly, it didn't end well.

ironically,
Bright

[fascisthunter]

28. Here Come the Right WIng Neo-Nazis

[Tempest]

30. Oklahoma is a welfare state

They get back $1.36 (in 2005) for every $1.00 they contribute.

Cut them off at one to one and see how long they last.

[TxVietVet]

38. Dry up faster than a bird turd on a tin roof in August.

They are like Texans who believe the teabagger's bushit.

[junior college]

31. They are getting nuttier! First they plot to kill police officers at a funeral and now this

[BadgerKid]

32. I've heard a rumor from N. Carolina as well

a few weeks ago. Relatives said "the military is taking over the government!" I suspected it was tea partiers. Just crazy.

[MadMaddie]

33. So they are going to go gun to gun against the FBI and the military?

Are they going to target police officers too? When they are looking out from the inside of jail it may occur to them that it wasn't a very good idea.

[DallasNE]

34. Oklahoma Already Has Such A Unit

It is called the Oklahoma National Guard. They are at the beck and call of the Governor -- except for those brought under Federal control for deployment to Iraq and Afghanistan.

[DeSwiss]

35. K&R

- From the internets......

We had eight years of Bush and Cheney, but now you get mad!?

You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.
You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy.
You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.
You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed..
You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.
You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.
You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq .
You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.
You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.
You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.
You didn't get mad when we let a major US city drown.
You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich.
You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark, and our debt hit the thirteen trillion dollar mark.

You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans... hell no. BUT NOW YOU'RE MAD?!?!?!

[defendandprotect]

36. . . . because violence is always the right wing response to problem-solving!!

[TxVietVet]

39. I say let the wingnuts arm up and take on the government

Let's see what happens. Worse comes to worse, we'll be without a lot of teabaggin' conservanazis. Some of them actually believe that if they take on the US Government, all the teagaggers in America will join up with them and they will be all heroes. Zeroes is more like it.

They are all brag and no action.

Like the crackhead bu$h once said, 'bring it on!'

[onager]

43. Yep. Call their bluff.

Start by closing and re-locating Ft. Sill, McAlester Army Ammunition Plant, Tinker Air Force Base, and all other Federal facilities in the state.

Wouldn't want the patriots getting corrupted by any E-E-V-U-L federal money, would we?

[TxVietVet]

52. You betcha! as Caribou Barbie would say.

I'd teach them a lesson they would never forget. Arm 'em and send them after the Feds. Then, after the dust has settled, let Oklahoma stew in it's own shit for about a year and remind them why they would be in that position.
They'd be throwing rocks at the conservanazis and teabaggers. :kick:

[Odin2005]

41. Charge them with sedition!

:grr:

[New Dawn]

45. Conservative terrorists.