Orange County GOP In Hot Water After Voters Tricked Into Registering As Republicans

[kpete]

Source: Talking Points Memo

Orange County authorities are launching an investigation into possible voter registration fraud after a local newspaper reported over a hundred cases of voters being tricked into registering as Republicans by petitioners who asked them to sign petitions for, among other causes, legalizing pot.

The Orange County Register reported last week that the Orange County District Attorney's office announced it would team up with the Secretary of State on the case, following a Register report that 99 written complaints were filed since March by voters who said they were registered as Republicans without their consent.

Another 74 voters reached by the Register said they, too, were unwillingly made members of the GOP.

In a lengthy investigation published earlier this month, the paper pointed to an $8 "bounty" offered by the California Republican Party for each new registration as a cause for the problems. It identified multiple petitioners who work for vendors "with ties to the California Republican Party." Back in 2006, a similar scandal led to the convictions of several petitioners.

Read more: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/orange_county_gop_in_hot_water_after_report_of_vot.php#more

[ck4829]

1. K&R

[Kingofalldems]

2. Has the GOP changed since Watergate?

Answer: No

[Doctor_J]

11. Absolutely

The Watergate stuff was child's play compared to what they have gotten away with since Hate Radio took over the US

[The Wielding Truth]

82. "Hate Radio took over the US" EXACTLY!

[unblock]

93. they learned a lot of lessons from watergate

(1) commit bigger crimes
(2) tell bigger lies
(3) never back down under any circumstances
(4) own and control the media and quash investigative journalism (except when targetting democrats)
(5) stay united as a party

[rfranklin]

3. Was ACORN working for them?

Americans Collecting Only Republican Names? :sarcasm:

[perdita9]

59. Watch them spin this into being ACORN's fault

Voter registration fraud is worth getting hysterical about if you think a lefty is doing it, buisness as usual though if you're a Republican.

[GoCubsGo]

79. Too bad ACORN no longer exists

They disbanded a few weeks ago. If they try to spin it that way, be sure to point that out.

[Capitalocracy]

85. See if they don't do it anyway

:eyes:

[tandot]

4. I am certain that Republicans are outraged about that as much as they were about Acorn

:sarcasm:

[DesertDiamond]

5. They've been doing this for a long time

[Kingofalldems]

6. Special Counsel needed pronto

[happygoluckytoyou]

7. RELATED STORY-- bribe for SENATOR $400,000.... regular voter $8.... GOP caught PRICELESS !!!

[Downtown Hound]

8. I assume the corporate media will give much air time to this

like they did the phony Acorn scandal. No? Well, I'll be damned.

[Duval]

14. Maybe Olberman or Maddow will report? n/t

[rainy]

23. Sorry, no hookers involved...

[Democat]

9. I'm sure this scandal will get as much coverage as ACORN, right?

No, it won't. Because the media is owned by Republicans.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

69. ...and it doesn't involve footage of an attractive female in an extremely short skirt

putting out for the camera.

[underseasurveyor]

74. That's the daily norm here in Newport Beach

Thin busty blonde's with plunging neck lines in high heels wearing overly tight pants/shorts/skirts and faces. LOL

[GoddessOfGuinness]

83. If there was video footage of them getting people to sign the "petitions"

you'd probably see plenty of news coverage.

[underseasurveyor]

86. *Gasp* What?

And risk chipping a nail:rofl:

[denverbill]

10. This proves the Republican Party is a criminal organization just like ACORN.

It's the EXACT SAME THING Republickers were outraged about prior to the whole hooker/pimp 'scandal'.

[Winterblues]

18. Just like ACORN.......was ACORN ever convicted of any crime?

You accuse them of being a criminal organization, so I would be interested in what crime they have been found guilty of.. We know the Republicans have been found guilty time and time again of numerous offenses but ACORN????????

[denverbill]

31. What I meant was 'if what ACORN did was criminal, then the Republican Party is too'.

Obviously I didn't choose my words very well judging from the replies.

When the GOP accused ACORN of voter fraud, it was because people hired by ACORN created fake registrations because they were getting paid by the registration. It wasn't ACORN committing any crime (and it wasn't 'voter fraud' anyway), it was ACORN getting scammed. And since according to the GOP, that was enough to label ACORN a 'criminal organization', the GOP should be labelled that as well.

Clearer?

[No Elephants]

46. Still wrong. What these Republicans did IS voter fraud. What ACORN did was not voter fraud at all.

You're trying to compare apples and oranges.

ACORN workers were NOT getting paid by the registration. Either the workers were scammed, or the workers were scamming ACORN. However, ACORN was required by law to turn in every registration it received. It even flagged registrations it thought were bogus before turning the registrations in to state authorities. At no time did anyone registered by ACORN complain of being told they were signing up for legalizing pot (or for anything other than voter registration).

ACORN workers turned in bogus registrations, but, contrary to false info,


These registrations were obtained by lying to people about what they were signing. the issue is completely different.

[denverbill]

63. No, the similarities outweigh the differences, IMO.

It's illegal to register Mickey Mouse to vote. It's illegal to submit and sign registration forms for actual people without their knowledge. ACORN workers did that. ACORN reported both, as you said.

It's also clearly illegal to trick someone into registering as a Republican. It's worse, IMO.

But tricking someone into registering as a Republican doesn't benefit Republicans anymore than registering Mickey Mouse helped ACORN. Republicans paid a bounty hoping to get people who were actually real Republicans registered so they could get more votes in November. They were scammed just like ACORN was.

But if ACORN is guilty, so are they.

[Seedersandleechers]

70. I think

Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck are indeed Democrats. Now Betty Boop, is a republican.

[KansDem]

98. I would imagine Scrooge McDuck is a Republican too...

I got mine...to Hell with you!

[AlbertCat]

102. Now Betty Boop, is a republican.

I don't think so....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtSgGRPWD30


Her candid candidate fixes infrastructure, improves poor housing, upholds the law, and generally helps working people. That doesn't sound like a Repug!

[Hekate]

78. I have registered people to vote in California. We are required by law to turn in every registration

I have been a volunteer voter registrar for the Democratic Party. We sit at card tables at fairs, farmers' markets, outside grocery stores, and sometimes go door to door.

We did a big voter drive up at the University one time not far from the Republican registration booth. Every so often one of us would go over to them with a stack of forms from Republican registrants, and vice versa. Very friendly, very legal.

Here's the deal, and it applies to poor slandered and ruined ACORN, just so you know: WHEN WE TAKE A FORM FROM A PERSON WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO SEVERAL THINGS:

• REGISTER ANYONE FOR ANY PARTY THAT THEY WANT
• CHECK THAT THE FORM IS COMPLETELY FILLED OUT AND SIGNED
• SEE THAT THE FORM IS DELIVERED TO THE COUNTY REGISTRAR OF VOTERS.

If someone wants to call themselves Mickey Mouse, I don't think we are allowed to refuse them.

There is a County Registrar of Voters -- a paid official whose full title is County Clerk, Recorder, and Assessor, Registrar of Voters. It is the responsibility of THAT person's office to certify the authenticity of the signature and other information on the form. ONLY THEY CAN CERTIFY THE LACK OF AUTHENTICITY OF A VOTER REGISTRATION.

ACORN was slandered. If someone somewhere did things in error, it in no way sinks to the level of what Republican Party operatives do on a daily basis. Richard Nixon to Karl Rove to this very moment -- please do not spread false equivalencies. Please.

Hekate

[denverbill]

88. You don't have to tell me what a bunch of crooks and liars Republican leaders are.

I'm in no way saying Republicans and Democrats even compare on the issue of misconduct. From voter suppression to shifting voting machines to Republican districts to making it more difficult to vote, to throwing away Democratic registrations, you name it. They lie shamelessly in debates and ads, though they pretty much have to since nobody in their right mind would support their policies if they knew the actual truth.

But that still does not alter the fact that the Republicans themselves were victims in this case. How does registering people falsely as Republicans benefit the Republican Party? It just doesn't. Moving voting machines around so people in Democratic districts have to wait hours to vote, THAT benefits Republicans. Challenging voter registrations by sending letters to deployed soldiers? That benefits Republicans. But unless you can explain to me how this could possibly benefit them, I'm not pinning this on the Republicans.

ACORN was slandered, and destroyed. It started with the false accusations that they were engaging in widespread voter fraud, when in fact, it wasn't ACORN committing any fraud (and not 'voter fraud' anyway), it was ACORN that was defrauded.

The point of my original post was that since ACORN was labeled criminal and destroyed for doing the something similar, that the Republican Party should suffer the same fate.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

103. What the GOP did far surpasses ACORN's alleged transgressions

ACORN was accused of committing voter fraud by registering non-existent voters. Even if the registrations slipped through the validation process, however, there would be no vote cast on election day. This means there would be no change in the result.

Being registered in the wrong party does have an effect on how the vote turns out. Being registered as a Republican would prevent you from voting for Democratic candidates in a primary election. By selectively preventing voters from registering as Democrats the Republicans could conceivably choose who became the Democratic Party's candidate for an office.

From the California Voter Foundation's FAQs:

Can I vote for a candidate that belongs to a different political party than the one I belong to?

In the General Election, you can of course vote for any candidate you like. A Primary Election is different. California's current primary system, which is neither "open" nor "closed", is perhaps best called "slightly ajar". Here's the way it works: if you are registered as a member of a political party, you will only be able to vote for candidates in that party's primary election. (For example, a registered Democrat cannot vote in the Republican primary). However, if you are not affiliated with any party, you may still have the option to vote in a party primary by effectively becoming a member of that party for a day.

http://www.calvoter.org/voter/faq.html#par

The end result is that the Republicans are once again suppressing Democratic voters ability to participate in the election process. Even if the result is not affected, fraud can still have a damaging effect if not punished, as it can reduce voters' confidence in democracy.

To say "this isn't any more serious than what ACORN did" is disingenuous.

[olegramps]

111. Sounds like you are trying to back track because you got your ass handed to you.

[denverbill]

113. Pipe down grampa.

I'll be happy to match my liberal credentials against yours any day of the week.

[SharonAnn]

105. Anyone who accepts voter registrations MUST turn in all of those registrations.

The individual collecting registrations is NOT ALLOWED to make a decision about which ones are legitimate or not. Only the Election Office can decide that. Anyone who is collecting registrations MUST turn them all in to the Election Office. That's THE LAW! And if you think about it, it makes sense. Republicans have been caught discarding Democratic voters registration applications before in California. It's a crime to do that! Only the Election Office can decide whether or not an application is legitimate.

The way we resolve this, if we ever think we receive a registration that is questionable is that we "flag" it for the Election Office so that they can take a close look at it. We even may point out what is questionable.

Collecting registration forms and turning them in IS NOT "REGISTERING" VOTERS!

Only the Election Office can actually register a voter.

People need to understand this issue because it's important.

There's Registration Fraud, where someone who's ineligible to vote actually fills out an application and gets registered.

There's Voter Fraud, where someone votes under another person's name.

There's Election Fraud which can take many forms, such as missing ballot boxes, compromised machines, lost ballots, etc.

[No Elephants]

19. Acorn was not a criminal organization.

[denverbill]

32. See #31

[Downtown Hound]

21. Actually, Acorn was innocent

The victim of a Republican smear campaign and some careful video editing. These Republicans though, are guilty as sin.

[NBachers]

22. Time for a RICO special procecutor

[EFerrari]

28. The Republican were actually doing what they falsely accused ACORN

of doing. It's bad habit they have.

[glitch]

37. Works pretty well the "both sides do it" crowd. nt

[tqla]

42. read this

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7765

[EFerrari]

54. We have an election reform forum where you can also follow these stories:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203

[tqla]

65. Holy cow!

I did not know this. New here. I have an interest in this so thanks EFarrari.

[EFerrari]

66. A number of bloggers and journalists go there for tips.

:)

[No Elephants]

49. Even Republicans did not accuse ACORN of doing anything this bad. Please see Reply #46.

[EFerrari]

57. Well, yes they did. They accused ACORN of producing false

registrations for the Democratic party. This is exactly what they accused ACORN of. :)

[Enthusiast]

92. Yup, it's what they do.

The Republican MO.

[pattmarty]

36. "Just like Acorn"? Get fucking real.

[drm604]

39. I understand what you were trying to say.

However, I do think there is a real difference. As I understand it, what happened with ACORN is that registrations with phony names were turned in (Dick Tracy, Mickey Mouse, etc.) but those names were never actually registered. No actual registrations or changes of registration occurred.

In this case REAL registrations were processed and approved, without the knowledge or approval of the REAL individuals.

[No Elephants]

51. Not exactly. ACORN did turn in those registrations because the law requires it. See #46.

However, obviously, "Donald Duck" never showed up at the polls; and, if he did, poll workers would have asked for ID or otherwise stopped an imposter from voting.

The issue here is that the signatures of people being "registered" were obtained through deceit. ACORN was never accused of doing anything like that.

[drm604]

55. Yes exactly.

The names were never registered, which is all that I said. ACORN turned them in marked as invalid, as they were required to do by law, but they never attempted to register those people.

Acorn turned in registrations with fake names and indicated that they were fake.

The Orange County GOP turned in real names obtained fraudulently and those names were processed and their party changed.

Acorn's actions resulted in no fraudulent registrations or party changes.

The Orange County GOP's actions resulted in fraudulent party changes.

[denverbill]

52. OK, I see that too. There is a difference, but the similarities, I think,are pretty apparent.

In both cases, you have organizations trying to register voters. ACORN paid a bounty based on the number of people registered to vote. The Republicans paid only for Republican registrations. Obviously that's a major difference.

But the major similarity is that, instead of getting what you paid for, you were scammed by the people you employed. Instead of getting Republicans registered, they got Democrats/Independents, which if anything, hurts Republicans because they could potentially gerrymander based on Republican registrations, which would be skewed. ACORN, in turn, didn't get actual new voters. Mickey Mouse isn't going to vote in November.

I should mention that there was also at least one case where an ACORN contractor used actual names. He/she found unregistered people, but instead of actually getting them to fill out forms, filled them out and signed them herself and submitted them. ACORN itself identified those because the signatures were all the same, and they reported the crime. The GOP, of course, reported that a 'ACORN voter fraud' which it obviously was not. But again, it was ACORN being scammed, not committing fraud.

[EFerrari]

62. To split hairs, ACORN didn't pay per registration. n/t

[denverbill]

68. OK, that's not really splitting hairs.

I had to research that but I never found anything saying they paid per registration. I must have just figured it must have been that because I couldn't figure out what would motivate them to submit fake registrations otherwise. But apparently it was just ACORN saying they had quotas and if they didn't meet the quotas they would shut down the operation. 'Per registration' is a much greater inducement to commit fraud, so it does make a difference.

[EFerrari]

72. Also, they have to submit registrations that are fake

in order to report them. By law, they are required to turn in ALL the forms they process even if (and maybe especially if) they know they are fake.

[Scruffy1]

81. You sir are very misinformed

So go watch Fox until your brain turns to mush.57 investigations no convictions of anything. The pimp outfit was only worn in the promos not the videos, which were heavily edited and voiced over. In reality the ten step process never got past one and it was funded by Breitbart. But I can tell your not one to let the facts get in your way.

[denverbill]

90. Bite me. Don't accuse me of being a freeper based on one post on one story.

I've been posting here since 2001 and there are few people more liberal than I am posting here. But don't let that fact get in the way of your jackass comments.

Tell me genius, how did the Republicans benefit from this California voter fraud?

[Enthusiast]

91. ACORN is not a criminal organization.

Where do you receive your information?

[denverbill]

97. Correction. ACORN WAS not a criminal organization.

Since they closed down their operations because Republicans and spineless Democrats stripped their funding based on trumped up allegations that they committed voter fraud.

My point was not that ACORN was criminal. It's that ACORN is now DEAD because the GOP claimed they were criminal for doing essentially the same thing Republicans did in California.

[olegramps]

110. Where do you get your facts from, FOX, Limpballs, O'Really...

[Joanne98]

12. ACORN got crucified for this and it wasn't even their fault.

We'll see how the MSM reports this. If they don't treat it like they did ACORN we can blast them with racist emails.

[Alcibiades]

25. I can only assume you mean "anti-racist emails"

Republicans send racist e-mails, not us.

[drm604]

40. Why would we want to send racist emails?

:shrug:

[Froward69]

13. This sort of thing is at least 25 years old.

When I was in college I worked for a "voter registration drive" we walked all over gathering voter registrations. as a Foot worker I gathered Forms regardless of Dem or Rep as the party. after about a week, I was outback waiting for my ride having a smoke andI noticed the trash bin was loaded with forms... ALL Democrat.
I mounted a small protest. I dug all the Dem Forms out of the trash and turned them in using the companies voter registration ID.
Turns out a local TV station was investigating.

I inadvertently pulled that company/Boss ASS out of prosecution because of my act of defiance. Had I not Dug em out of the trash he (the Boss) would have done five to ten.

that boss later ran for a seat on that towns council (northern Denver suburb)as a Rethuglican... AND LOST.

[JHB]

43. This time they didn't throw them out, they just switched the party to "Republican"...

...which in California, if I understand correctly, would prevent them from voting in Democratic primaries. Otherwise what would be the difference?

[kenfrequed]

48. The difference is...

The difference is that it could be an effort to create false spin of a ballooning increase in republican identified voters.

It could be a cover to hide any discrepancies between registered party affiliation and voting results in the event that there is an attempt to steal the election again electronically.

[Wednesdays]

67. Another thing that would have happened

is on General Election Day, no-one from the Democratic headquarters would be calling them to remind them to vote. And they wouldn't be receiving any mailings from the Democratic Party.

That would result in many missed Dem votes. Enough of those could tip an election...or at least bring it close enough to steal.


Republican Dirty Tricks...an American Tradition since 1856. :eyes:

[kenfrequed]

73. Uhm

Not quite correct. After all the Republicans embraced the abolitionist movement to some degree or another. I think I would set the clock on the corruption of the republicans forward a couple of decades.

[Froward69]

115. THIS makes the most sence

as republicans are PUSHING e-voting... not wanting a paper trail to verify results... (as they know thats the ONLY way they will win in the future.

[catzies]

71. It happened to my daughter in her first election - 1998. Found out on election day

When they handed her a Republican ballot.
We said "WHAT?!?"
They said that was how she registered.
I said "NO SHE DIDN'T!!"

We had to re-register her. I always wondered if there was a GOP mole in the Ventura County Elections division.

[Christa]

45. My son was tricked into registering to vote

when he still had only his greencard.

He told the person who registered him that he was not a citizen, and the person told him it did not matter, as he was registerd at the Selective Service (which all foreigners MUST do - it is the same as the draft system).

Long story short, it cost us $8,000 in lawyers' fees not to have him deported as because "he was not morally fit to be a citizen". Since then I received numerous letters from immigrants in similar positions.

[Stuart G]

15. K and R

[CountAllVotes]

16. hmph!!!!

:grr: :grr: :grr:

:kick: & recommend.

[Plucketeer]

17. There's gonna be fraud as long as there's two parties to choose from!

:grr:

[No Elephants]

20. I hope that is not intended to imply that "both sides do the same thing."

[craigmatic]

24. This needs to be made as big as the ACORN thing. n/t

[Alcibiades]

26. This shows the problem with paid bounties

Paying people to register voters is simply the wrong model. You get better results from volunteer canvassers, and you don't create a cash incentive for fraud.

[No Elephants]

56. ACORN workers were not paid that way.

[JNelson6563]

27. Same shit, different day.

These assholes never change.

[newtothegame]

29. But they're not actually voting for anybody?

Stupid but didn't really accomplish anything; story not worth the hype.

[glitch]

35. The more registered republicans you have the better cover for electronic vote flipping

and padded election results. The modern equivalent of registering graveyards.
They are evil, not stupid.

[No Elephants]

61. Did you check California voting laws before reaching that conclusion?

In my state, I can't vote in a Democratic primary unless I am registered Democratic, so maybe it would have accomplished something negative if these liars had not been caught.

Moreover, is it legal to pay money to get people registered in one Party, rather than another?


Even quite a few DUers were enraged about ACORN and this is so much worse than any of the ACORN stories.

[xxqqqzme]

76. California is an 'open' primary

state - If you are registered as DTS - declined to state - you can request any ballot EXCEPT rethuglican - you need to be registered as a rethug to get a rethug ballot.

The rethugs pay people to register voters, (they get an additional $2 if the registration is rethug) the Democrats do not.

The California Democratic Party does pay clubs or CDP sanctioned organizations for Democratic registrations as a way for clubs to raise money. The voter reg form numbers are recorded by the Registrar of Voters and the CDP receives a notification of the numbers assigned to the club. All Dem voter registrations have to fall between the numbers or they don't count toward the club's efforts.

A friend has been volunteering w/ the League of Women Voters because the LWV is concentrating on registering @ high schools. After this story broke here in OC 10 days ago, she said another volunteer @ LWV said they had received some voter reg forms w/ the Rethuglican bubble already filled. Since the Registrar of Voters records who gets which group of numbers, it should be easy to find out who got those forms and completed the 'Party' section in advance.

This is the second time in less than 2 years the rethugs have been caught doing this crap. The last time they got fined. They plead innocence because they just can't control those over zealous registration gatherers.

[Alcibiades]

30. Here's the original story

All the reporting was done by the Orange County Register. Here's the link to the original story for those who didn't find the little link on the TPM page:

http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2010/04/22/da-to-team-with-secretary-of-state-on-voter-registration-probe/55723/

I'm actually a little surprised that they covered this at all. The OC Register is about as far right as you can get without donning jackboots.

[rasputin1952]

47. Bunch of loons posted their "ideas", well I did too...

that "dPreacher" is a piece of work...:eyes:

[glitch]

33. Holy Sproul Associates!

Small-timers, thinking they can break into the Bushleagues. Tsk.

[Buenaventura]

34. it might be a good idea to vote repuke in the primary!

[kestrel91316]

38. AGAIN?? IIRC this isn't the first time.....

[EFerrari]

58. It's an old OC tradition at this point. n/t

[Blue_Tires]

80. They did something similar in Maryland back in '02 as well

It used to be that offering cash for names was illegal (still may be in some places)...

Just like in Maryland, I'm sure the party higher-ups will disavow all knowledge and shovel the blame on some part-time, mid-level "consultant" who will get a slap on the wrist in court...

[cascadiance]

107. Yep, I remember OC GOP getting caught with similar shenanigans a few years ago...

http://www.truthout.org/article/11-charged-gop-vote-fraud

The claims were back in 2006, before Debra Bowen took over as Secretary of State. And this was at the time when the previous Republican Secretary of State had the voter registration "authentication" system all f'd up so that new registered voters would get tossed out with any slight inconsistencies of data (like abbreviations, etc.). And so though the claims in this article were that the Dems wouldn't "get affected" because they would still vote Democratic anyway, they could have been affected if their voting information was messed up in the state's database by these fraudulent efforts to reregister them as Republicans. Perhaps the real effort wasn't so much to get them registered as Republicans (which also might have been a goal), but to get them thrown out of the system then and not eligible to vote, much like we had in Florida where voters got thrown out through surreptitious means.

I remember when candidate Debra Bowen was speaking at Democracy Fest that year in San Diego, and I asked her there about this being a possible scam they were doing, and she smiled as if she and her people were already looking into this as what was going on, and acknowledging they were looking into these sorts of things.

I wonder if you're getting some of the same faces involved this time around.

[tqla]

41. The hypocrisy of the the PubTard party is immeasurable!

Wanna see more about voter fraud and the Pub party? Read this story that went unreported by the media: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7765

[hootinholler]

44. Once again they do what they accuse other of doing. n/t

[EFerrari]

60. Exactly and that's why we should listen to their accusations carefully!

[fascisthunter]

50. Seriously, RICO the Whole Party

[opihimoimoi]

53. Positive proof the GOP has no clue as to what dey be doing...this is a repeat blunder

Out of touch and out of ammo....

How disgusting they would dare to fool the people....esp with the POT THINGY..

utterly fucked up I say

[paparush]

64. GOP = Serious threat to democracy. nt

[Zorra]

75. Generally speaking, republicans suck. Republicans: Stay away, from me, my family, and my dog.

What kind of person would be part of this horrible group of people that repeatedly and blatantly displays such a lack of conscience and ethics?

Someone that has a weak conscience or no conscience at all.

Stay away from me, you freaks.

[pleah]

77. K&R

[mfcorey1]

84. Why am I not surprised. They are so desperate to regain.....

control that nothing is off limits. That is why they wanted to get rid of ACORN.

[Uncle Joe]

87. They should be charged with fraud.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

[AlbertCat]

89. an investigation into possible voter registration fraud

OH MY GOD..... it's ACORN again!!!!


Oh...wait....


never mind.


I suppose now the Congress will pass a law defunding the California Republican Party?

[and-justice-for-all]

94. A Ministry song comes to mind...

thieves, thieves and liars, murderers
hypocrites and bastards

hey thanks for nothing!
morals in the dust
two-faced bastards and syncophants
no trust

thieves! liar!
inside, outside, which side, you don't know
my side, your side, their side, we don't know
which side are they? which side are they?
which side of their mouth do you suppose that it came?
which side are they? which side are they?
which side of the grass is greener?
inside, outside, which side, you don't know
my side, your side, their side, we don't know

you're like a great big fucking gun,
just waiting to get squeezed!

breathe, forfeit erection!
toxical injection
geriatric fuck-fest
we still believe in lies

thieves! liar!
inside, outside, which side, you don't know
my side, your side, their side, we don't know
who started it? who started it?
which side are they? which side are they?
which side of their mouth do you suppose that it came?
which side are they? which side are they?
which side of the grass is greener?
inside, outside, which side, you don't know
my side, your side, their side, no one knows

you're like a great big hit of acid,
waiting to be taken!

[MilesColtrane]

95. Another day, another Republican dirty trick.

Imagine all of the stuff they do that never sees the light of day.

[Cleita]

96. I think Darryl Issa should be investigated for the recall of Gov. Davis.

He paid an army of petitioners for the recall throughout the state. One lady told me that when asked to sign a petition to recall the governor she said no so the petitioner asked her to sign one for the governor which she did. I wonder how many Californians got duped that way? I tried to get the attention of some officials on it but they didn't really believe me and brushed me off. They also said that the person who was asked to sign the second petition would have to complain but she wouldn't. She didn't believe anyone would lie or cheat like that. To this day I can't believe voters would sign petitions to recall the Governor only two or three months after they had reelected him for his second term. I really want Issa investigated. Now that this has come to light, it seems like there should be some attorneys or institute out there who is willing do it. This blatant cheating on elections by the Republicans has got to stop.

[Optimistic]

99. The GOP should be disqualified from Government

[Vattel]

100. Years ago

I registered voters in Orange County. I worked for the Democratic Party and always played by the rules; there were many complaints, however, that Republicans who were registering voters would throw out the registration card if the voter checked the democratic party box. At least if you are unwillingly registered Republican you can still vote in the general election. I worked in a lot of Hispanic neighborhoods, going door-to-door. I'll never forget one eighty-year-old immigrant who was still working and was so happy that he had recently gained citizenship. It was a great experience registering people and talking politics with them.

[goclark]

101. Tip of the iceberg IMO

It has happend and will happen big time for coming elections.

I can't even believe that Brown won Kennedy's seat -- but I;m sure I will be told he won it fair and square.

The Rove Elves are busy and they are not going to sleep.

[quakerboy]

104. So... on the one hand thats wrong

On the other hand... its not actually good for the GOP in any way. Sure, it makes them look bigger than they are, but as far as I know, there are no resources or elections allocated by how many people are registered to each party, only by how they Vote. And being tricked into a reg card does not mean you are more likely to vote for a pub candidate. In the long run, it means they might actually turn in a poorer performance than would be expected at the ballot box, looking like they can't even get their own voters to vote for them.

So in other words, the GOP got tricked into paying for something that makes them look bad if people know they paid for it, and bad when people see the election results. And just generally makes them look bad. I guess its a win win for everyone else.

[BrklynLiberal]

106. Sooooooo exactly what is the name of that repuke version of "ACORN"????????????

:sarcasm:

[alp227]

108. Who was tricked? The casts of "Laguna Beach" and "The Hills"? Haha...

I guess now the common knowledge of the Orange County Coast being a Republican stronghold might not be really that true.

Oh, yes, the media isn't liberal either for covering the voter fraud allegations against ACORN ad nauseum (No ACORN employee's ever been convicted/charged for "casting fraudulent votes" but yes there were issues with fake REGISTRATIONS) but ignoring the voter fraud issues of fascist witch Ann Coulter or now the OCGOP.

[newspeak]

114. remember what happened in Nevada?

I believe it was Voter Outreach, registering voters--they destroyed those registrations marked democratic party. A judge ruled that those who registered, could not re-register (time was not extended for them). Those who directed the destruction of registration forms should be in prison--but, basically nothing happened to them-just moved operations to Oregon to do their same dirty tricks. The damage was done-disenfranchising voters!!!!

[Zambero]

109. Not Mickey Mouse a-la ACORN? These were REAL people?!

Thank God, I was worried there for a second!

:sarcasm:

[Odin2005]

112. But, but, but, ACORN!!!

:sarcasm:

[and-justice-for-all]

116. They should go to JAIL for this shit...

that is flat out fraud.