Sgt. Who Arrested Henry Louis Gates, Invited To Lead Parade

[Green_Lantern]

Source: Huffpo

The Massachusetts police sergeant whose arrest of a Harvard professor created a national debate over racial profiling has been invited to lead a Rhode Island parade.

Sgt. James Crowley of the Cambridge Police Department will act as grand marshal of the 27th Aquidneck Island National Police Parade on Sunday.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/28/james-crowley-sgt-who-arr_n_555838.html

[EFerrari]

1. Hope this one is as good as last year!

Changed out image.

[Bluebear]

2. That one was KKKlassic.

[EFerrari]

4. I knew this guy was a jerk when Laura Flanders had a local seminarian

on as a guest. She wasn't any kind of an activist or anything, lol, and just quietly said, "Yeah, in the black community they call him "Jim Crow".

Henry Louis Gates. A man who has spent years trying to bring about reconciliation. The irony is just mythic.

[happyslug]

5. Yes, a CATHOLIC Religious Possession in Spain

That is what the picture is of, NOT the KKK. Now it is thought that the uniform of the men in this picture was the basis of the uniform of the KKK, but adopted by the KKK to hide their identity then anything to do with the Catholic Church.

Other similar photos:
http://www.pbase.com/pk4dk/semanasanta

You CHANGED the Picture, at least this one is of the 1920s KKK parade through DC. Now I have to change my posts to reflect your change. The other one was a better picture (but NOT a KKK parade).


The post I did below and since deleted:

A holy Week Parade in Granada Spain?

Sorry, your picture is NOT of the KKK, but the Nazareno parade in Granada Spain during Holy Week (i.e. the week AFTER Easter).

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareno

Now the KKK seems to have adopted a similar outfit but only after WWI, previous to the 1920s various types of hooded outfits were reported, the white sheet only becoming THE KKK outfit in the 1920s. There has been suggested that the KKK adopted the same outfit as the Nazarenos do to reports of the Nazarenos having hooded outfits but those are just reports, the KKK may have come up with their outfit completely independent. My point is your picture is clearly a Southern European narrow street NOT a typical wider American Street and the Catholic symbols seems to indicate this is a Nazareno procession in Granada Spain (or another Spanish influenced area) then a KKK march.

As I said Above, you changed the Picture, now it clearly is of the 1920s KKK March through DC. Should have kept the other picture so people can see what I was talking about i.e. the Spanish group obviously the basis for the post WWI KKK Outfit.

You can tell this is 1920s DC for the Washington DC banned overhead electric lines so the DC streetcars had to use an underground system. The power source is covered by the metal on the road bed between the rails of the Streetcar. Thus this is clearly Washington DC while Streetcars were still in use.

I would make a comment on the length of the Woman's dresses to reflect this is differently a post WWI picture, but the dresses in the mid 1920s could be as high as the Mini-skirts of the 1960s. The great Depression saw a drop in dress length then as the economy improved as we approached WWII it went back up to knew length. All of this is academic for the big KKK parade in DC was on September 13th 1926 and thus that is the date of this picture.

As to the orginal picture, here it is for those people who read this thread and do NOT know why you changed out the following picture for the 1926 picture:

[EFerrari]

6. Oh, no! I searched "kkk parade".

lol

[EFerrari]

7. There, I changed out the image. Although as an ex-Catholic

I will now be creeped out for the rest of the day.

[Bluebear]

10. I didn't change out a thing, I didn't post any picture

[EFerrari]

12. I did. That was me!

[Bluebear]

13. Ah, i see now.

Stop getting me in trouble lol.

[happyslug]

17. No, it was me, your mistake was minor

When I pointed out the mistake it was more "he, he, that is the wrong photo, he, he" then any thing serious, your point with BOTH photos was to show the KKK on the March. One of the problems with the net is that people post photos they find on the net WITHOUT knowing what is being pictured. The First photo you used was one such picture, posted as a KKK March by someone else who did NOT know it was NOT a KKK picture.

I should have made it clear that the Picture was a GOOD PICTURE and your INTENTION is using that Picture was clear, i.e. this officer was going to a KKK parade. It was a MINOR error that the color picture you posted was of something else. The only reason I caught the error was that my brother in the 1970s, when he was in the Navy, had stopped off in Spain and sent me a post card with pictures of that parade during Holy Week with a Comment "See, the Klan even exist in Spain" (The Post Card had a caption clearly stated what it was, so the KKK comment was meant as a joke).

The vast majority of people in DU, would have assumed as you did that the color picture was a KKK parade, instead of what it was. Thus my comment your error was minor, my error was worse for I made to big a deal of a minor error and I regret it and apologize for it.

[EFerrari]

25. I"m sorry, happyslug. They got me this time.

[provis99]

15. jeez! the Catholics look stupid in those Halloween costumes, too?

Ironic then that the Klan is a Protestants-only organization!

[alfredo]

29. the KKK didn't like the Catholics one bit, as I remember.

[captain jack]

3. Hahaha!

[happyslug]

8. Deleted n/t

[proteus_lives]

18. Horrible.

Any other groups you want to spit on as a whole?

[EFerrari]

19. Who are you defending, these idiots that booked Crowley or the Klan?

[LeftyMom]

22. It's a legitimate question with that one.

[No Elephants]

35. With more than one on this thread.

[proteus_lives]

23. Asinine.

I'm defending the LEOs you're spitting on.

[EFerrari]

24. What are they doing booking this guy? His behavior caused

embarrassment for his whole department, which was forced to promise to investigate and retrain. And *HE* was their trainer. Good grief. Was Carrot Top not available?

[pundaint]

9. Aquid is an old Narragansett word meaning red.

Note to the gullible: I made that up for the sake of humor.

[No Elephants]

33. As a member of the gullible community, I thank you for your note.

People say I take things too literally. That trait manifests all the more on a message board, where I cannot see the smile (or the smirk, as the case may be).

[Dogtown]

11. Appalling.

Wonder if there's an "OathKeeper" connection...


:patriot:

[hack89]

14. No - the cops around here are all good Democrats

police and fire unions, along with public employee unions are the bulwark of the Democratic party in Rhode Island.

[Dogtown]

41. Cool!

Good to know.

[MellowDem]

16. So what?

The case didn't have to do with racial profiling, considering that he was responding to a call about a possible break-in. There was a pretty nice case of racial assumptions that went on here though, of the woman who called it in.

Those comparing him to the KKK are overreacting to say the least.

[EFerrari]

21. Well, no. You might remember that we found out that he made up

the whole racial part whole cloth. The witness never said she saw two black men. She said, two men.

He lied on his police report.

[MellowDem]

26. Again, what does it have to do with racial profiling?

No one knows if he made up what the witness said and was intentionally lying. He might just have reported wrong after, which happens quite often when having to recall such things. Gates turned out to be black, so he could've just been reporting the facts, having forgotten exactly what the woman said. As it was, she said one of the men looked Hispanic, and the other she couldn't see.

I don't know how Crowley lying about it on the police report would help him in any way, or what the motivation would be, or how that changes the fact that it wasn't racial profiling. If anything, it proves it wasn't even moreso, or it makes it racial profiling against Hispanics? He was at the house because of a reported break-in, not because Gates is black.

The racial profiling charge on here was made at the woman who called it in. They accused her of being a racist white lady before knowing the facts. And a lot of others did it outside the site as well. The fact that the cops responded to a call of a break-in wasn't the evidence of racial profiling, it was the idea that a white lady would call in because she saw black people.

But, when that turned out to be false, much to the embarrassment of many here and elsewhere, someone had to be to blamed for racial profiling. The sad irony is that the people looking to blame Crowley were the ones that were making all sorts of assumptions based on race before the facts were known.

Then the controversly became whether Crowley was so harsh with Gates because he was black. Whether he was discriminating against him. Of course, that became a he said/he said, with nothing really being able to be proven, considering that there was an actual reason for Crowley to be there. Regardless, Crowley did end up speaking with Gates later and with Obama at the beer summit. Gates even said that their relations were amicable. If Crowley was a racist, I don't know why he would've done any of those things.

[EFerrari]

27. His name in the black community was Jim Crow *before* (edit)

this incident. Maybe that was also just a coincidence. Yeah, that's the ticket.

ETA: It's usually over the top to drag the Klan into anything. But at a minimum, asking this gentleman to lead a parade shows bad judgment and a lack of community awareness.

[MellowDem]

28. Really?

I've never heard that before. He was a notorious cop that the local black community labeled Jim Crow? You'd think that would've been all over the news. Do you have a link?

I will say that he is a controversial figure now, but so is Gates to many, and Gates still is getting appearances and going on with his life. I don't find them to be that controversial of figures really.

[EFerrari]

30. It was on Laura Flander's show and I imagine you can search it there.

I posted about it up thread. In the aftermath of that event, she had a seminary student on her show that talked about this gentleman's rep in the local black community.

I was able to go back and pull it up by his name at one point.

And there is no comparison to Gates. Gates is an internationally known and honored scholar and educator.

[EFerrari]

31. I think I've found it, am listening to the show now to make sure.

The seminarian's name is Rev. Irene Munroe and this show was on 7/28/09. The link is somewhere here at DU but it's in a haystack. If this is the right one, I'll give you the link and the approx time.

[EFerrari]

32. And here it is, at 12:06.

http://www.grittv.org/2009/07/28/henry-louis-gatess-arrest-a-teachable-moment/

The whole discussion is interesting if the case is interesting to you.

[No Elephants]

39. *Crickets* Perhaps the truth is more interesting to you than it seems to be to others.

[EFerrari]

40. It's an excellent discussion, if you haven't seen it.n/t

[No Elephants]

42. thanks.

[MellowDem]

44. Or perhaps I have to sleep by 3 am nt

[MellowDem]

Well, I'm not sure how that is evidence...

that Jim Crowley was known that way before the incident, given that this was said after it. It makes sense that after the incident they would start calling him that, but the woman never said he was known that way before it. Also, it is only one woman's word, and can't really be taken as "evidence" of much of anything.

[EFerrari]

48. Listen to it again.. She most certainly does say he was already

known that way because he "is well known for shaking down" black men in the neighborhood. And as a witness, this lady couldn't be more credible.

[MellowDem]

43. dupe nt

[No Elephants]

38. Why the hell shouldn't Gates be getting appearances and going on with his life?

What was he guilty of, other than going home while black, after a flight from, where was it, China?

And, yes, he was notorious with the African American community in the Boston/Cambridge area before the Gates incident. After Gates, it was indeed on local access TV in the Boston area. That, however, did not fit the desired narrative that had evolved during the first few days, so the mass media ignored it.

[MellowDem]

45. I agree...

but it doesn't change the fact that he is now a controversial figure due to this incident.

And you saying so isn't really "evidence" of anything. So far, all I have found evidence of is that students and professors have complained for years about racial profiling of the Cambridge police, which unfortunately isn't uncommon in college towns that are also near bad areas of town. Only one woman has said anything so far about Crowley being called Jim Crow, and it's not clear if she meant before or after the incident.

Also I have found that Crowley was picked by a black officer to teach classes on racial profiling, and lots of very positive comments and support from black and white police officers. But I don't think those are all "evidence" that Crowley wasn't wrong in this case or he wasn't known for racial profiling.

The truth is, there is no real evidence of anything there, though people will have their opinions, mainly based on their worldview.

[No Elephants]

37. IMO, it's rarely over the top to refer to the KKKlan re: instances of racism.

[No Elephants]

36. Who here is embarrassed? You're making up stuff.

Jim Crowley did not arrive at Gates's home because of racial profiling. However, once there, Jim Crowley's behavior was that of a racist, dealing with an uppity African American.

If Crowley were a racist, as charged, he would have proved it by turning down an invitation to have a beer at the White House with the President of the United States? Riiighhht. Some alternate reality logic you have there.

[MellowDem]

46. Seriously...

let's consider this question. If Crowley believed all whites are superior to blacks, why would he have served on the police force with other blacks? Or even been commanded by them and made the racial profiling teacher by a black officer? Why would he try to save a black athlete with CPR? Would a racist do something like that?

So far, the only evidence that Crowley acted on racial grounds is Gate's word. That's it. You could just as easily say that Gate's behavior was that of a bigot, and his behavior was only because he saw a white cop on his doorstep and went off on him just for that. The only evidence for that is Crowley's word.

And I'm not making up that some DUers were making all sorts of wonderful racial assumptions about this case on here when it came to the woman who called it in. Basically, doing what they accused Crowley of doing. Of course, no one ever really cared to discuss that topic.

[EFerrari]

49. The assumptions made here at DU came straight out of his police

report AND posters did question the report because it makes no sense that "a neighbor" wouldn't know who lived that in house.

[No Elephants]

34. Yeah, riiiiigggght. BTW, the assumptions that supposedly went on here were based on the lies

about what the woman said, which lies Crowley included in his original police report. You know, the one that was posted online before they took it down and posted the "revised" report.

Once Crowley showed two forms of photo I.D. with his address, that should have ended any suspicion of breaking and entering.. But not for Office Jim Crowley. He had to humiliate that "boy" and extend his macho preening by calling in the Harvard campus police.

[MellowDem]

47. Well think about that...

what if the woman who called it in did say it was two black men with backpacks, because it really was? How does that make the assumptions any less "worse"?

To me, Crowley did overreact to whatever Gates behavior was. Whether it was racial or just hurt pride and an over-sensitive cop is hard to say. I can see it both ways.

[rucky]

20. Is Grand Marshal a higher ranking than Grand Dragon?

[Taverner]

50. Huh? When there have been many more heroic cops this year?

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=78945

http://www.theinsider.com/news/633414_Hero_Cop_Saves_Baby_Thrown_Four_Stories

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/30061180/ns/today-today_people/

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I would vote for the one who caught the falling baby personally. You just can't beat that.

[EFerrari]

51. Exactly. There are probably hundreds if not thousands of cops

who serve their communities in all kinds of very important ways, on their own time & dime. They work with kids, with elders, with disadvantaged people, they smooth out community relations, they help small business people, they are the front line of dealing with mental illness in this country.

Let one of THEM lead your parade. It's not like there is no pool of candidates.

[Taverner]

52. Yes! Exactly!

Most cops don't get recognized for their realy contributions

Recognize one for what they did