(California) Whites in state 'below the replacement' level

[alp227]

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

California's white population has declined since 2000 at an unprecedented rate, hastening the day when Hispanics will be the state's largest population group, according to newly released state figures.

There were half a million fewer whites in California in 2008 than in 2000, a period when the state's overall population grew by 4 million to 38.1 million, according to a study released Thursday by the state Department of Finance.

By 2008, whites made up 40 percent of Californians, down from 47 percent at the turn of the century. In 2000, Hispanics comprised 32 percent of the population; that number grew to 37 percent in 2008.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/05/MNSG1DQ1BL.DTL

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OH NOO!!!!!! DEPORT ALL THE ILLEGALLLS!!!!! :sarcasm:

But that's sorta the sentiment held by most of the comments left on this article (as I post it there are 333). And a recent New York Times article reported that the debate over illegal immigration is dominating the Republican gubernatorial primary in this state.

Also, isn't this decline in white Americans a national trend too?

[hunter]

1. Good. Less skin cancer.

I'm a white guy who grew up in Southern California. It ain't pretty.

[shanti]

53. i heard that

;)

[JBoy]

2. Phew. I thought there might be a Chardonnay shortage.

[awoke_in_2003]

3. ...

:spray:

[tqla]

6. LOL hey jBoy, took me awhile but I got it!

[EFerrari]

16. LOL!

[No Elephants]

26. LOL!

[AsahinaKimi]

4. and we certainly

Have the best restaurants too..such diversity!! Tonight I am eating MALAYSIAN!!

[tqla]

5. I live in and LOVE California!

I've been to a bunch of states in my life and although there are great things about every one of them I still come back to good ol' California. Love it love it love it. There, just had to say this.

[goclark]

19. Spanish People were here a long time ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_California#Native_American_period

I love California too ~ I lived in Riverside in the 60's and now in Los Angeles.

Love it!

[pattmarty]

38. The Indians were there and in the Southwest long before the Spanish..............

..........It goes something like this; the Indians were here and were kicked out by the Spanish. Then the European whites came and kicked out the Spanish. Now it looks like it's going in reverse, except for the Indians since the Americans and the Spanish REALLY took care of them.

[goclark]

39. My family is Cherokee and African American

That mixture happened a lot of course.

[pattmarty]

41. Yep, I saw it in Utah with the Ute indians. It's really funny that there.....

.......are no "pure" Americans. I saw in my local paper the other day an article from a recent study showing that 1 in 7 marriages in the US today are inter-racial. Kind of surprised me at first, but I have long told my wife that is the only thing that will "fix" the different racial hatreds. Sex may be THE answer.

[goclark]

54. LOL but you are right

The younger generation is so mixed racial and I believe that will continue.

I've noticed when I go to the Mall, couples are mixed many,many times.

In my family, one cousin just married for the 4th time.
He is 68. She is really nice and about 60 ~ He calls her his
"Swedish Bomb Shell."

In our culture, even 6 yeats ago, AA women would have put him down for going outside of our race. Not now, several of my friends are married to White guy and are very happy.

Another friend has a daughter that is Japanese Hawaiian and 4 yrs ago she married a AA guy. They are happy, happy and the kids are dolls.

One of my favorite old TV Shows is, " In The Heat Of The Night."
They tackled Racial Marriages in the "50's in the South.

Bet now, even in the South, it is no surprise to see mixed couples.

For sure we have Clarence Thomas and his White wife that is a Teabagger. :shrug:

[aquart]

83. Are you completely gorgeous?

Always hoped I could give my kids Cherokee bones.

[goclark]

84. LOL ~ I do have high cheek bones

Does that count? : )

Ms. goclark

[izquierdista]

7. How soon until....

Arizonans going on vacation will have to show their papers?

[sam sarrha]

10. i assume you mean the White Arizonans..?

[RC]

11. Sounds good to me.

What goes around, comes around.

[WileEcoyote]

8. Let's diss as many White People as possible

And see what that does to Democratic Party election chances.

Reverse racism is alive and well on D/U. Full censorship running. Feel free to praise all minorities and shoot Whites at will.

[Mari333]

12. relax. everyones ancestors were african anyway.

mitochondrial dna never lies.

[RC]

13. Well, seeing how the White people are unemployed in record numbers and

non-whites are still employed in their "Service Level" jobs, guess which group is still multiplying?

[laconicsax]

34. LOL! "Reverse Racism"

"Reverse racism" is right-wing for whites losing traditional privilege. Racism is the result of privilege combined with power. Ethnic minorities, historically having neither, are called racist whenever they challenge white privilege. "Reverse racism" gets thrown around whenever racist practices are outlawed.

Losing undeserved privilege isn't persecution.

Feel free to keep using the term to promote your 'persecuted whites' pity party, just don't expect too many people to join up.

[demwing]

40. Bullshit. Racism is discrimination based on race. Nothing else.

It has nothing to do with power or privilege.

[laconicsax]

45. Racism has everything to do with power and privilege.

Without power and privilege, race-based discrimination is little more than prejudice. In fact, racism is the implementation of and adherence to a race-based power structure that asserts privilege on one or more groups at the expense of all others.

Put another way, it is a belief in the inherent superiority of one racial group. That belief manifests itself in power and privilege granted to the "superior" group.

This is basic stuff.

When members of a non-dominant group challenges the status-quo, either by challenging the power structure or refusing to accede to its resulting privileges, the dominant group gets pissed off at the challenge to its authority and invents terms like "reverse racism" or "feminazi" to demonize those making the challenge.

ETA: "feminazi" because it's appropriate in context.

[MellowDem]

56. That's not true....

Without power and privlege, race based discrimination isn't prejudice, it's race based discrimination. It might be based on prejudice. Racism is a belief in the superiority of one race over another. Racism with power and privilege is the exact same belief. Racism is not the implementation and adherence to a race based power structure. It is a belief in the superiority of one race over another. Obviously, when one combines a belief like racism with power, it can do more damage, but the belief is the same regardless.

What you have now is bigotry, but also (and mainly) identity politics. Few people are racist, but lots of people are bigoted, which isn't surprising, considering the human propensity ot steryotype. And identity politics have always been around. As racial (or any other) groups become bigger and more powerful, they are split into smaller groups among themselves. Blue coller, white coller, religion, class, nationality, ethnicity, etc. European-Americans have been split into lots of groups for a while now as the biggest, most powerful group. But as their group shrinks, they begin to unify more and more and have less and less divisions among themselves as a way to retain more power. You can see it in the Tea Party and Republican lock-step. The Republican Party is almost entirely an idenitity politics Party anymore. That is what they sell themselves as, through and through. And identity politics is just another form of tribalism, which is also unfortunately part and parcel of human nature.

It used to be back in the day that the Democratic Party would play that game as well. But they are trying to be an "everyone" Party nowadays, which is a noble, good thing, but also can be harder to win elections with sometimes.

And of course, there is no such thing as "reverse racism", it's just racism regardless of color, but many charges of racism are simply bigotry.

[laconicsax]

81. If it isn't true, then why are you repeating it back to me?

I said:

Put another way, it is a belief in the inherent superiority of one racial group. That belief manifests itself in power and privilege granted to the "superior" group.

You said:

That's not true...Racism is a belief in the superiority of one race over another. Racism with power and privilege is the exact same belief.

If the part I said isn't true, then why are you repeating it back to me?

I think you're confused about the role that power and privilege play in racism. When someone believes that a particular racial group (I really hate that term) is inherently superior, they become willing to grant power and privilege to members of that particular group. If there's no power or privilege, it's simple discrimination. Discrimination is the implementation of prejudice. To say that someone is prejudiced is to say that they discriminate based on one or more particular prejudices. To say that someone discriminates is to say that they hold one or more particular prejudices. Now compare these two statements:

I said:

Without power and privilege, race-based discrimination is little more than prejudice.

You said:

Without power and privilege, race based discrimination isn't prejudice, it's race based discrimination.

Now, keeping in mind what we both know about the complementary nature of "discrimination" and "prejudice," if the part I said isn't true, then why are you repeating it back to me?

[defendandprotect]

65. +1000% . . . . exactly . . . !!!

[laconicsax]

79. I hate having to make posts like that on a Democratic board.

It just goes to show how pervasive RW memes are.

[defendandprotect]

91. We always need creative response to right wing propaganda/sloganseering ....

because they're always very busy at creating propaganda to demean and debase

others they'd like to exploit!

They're highly creative at this!!

They've had thousands of years of practice, as well --

from vile writings re Jews -- "running in the gutters with rats" --

to their everyday promotion of AA inferiority with "whites only drinking fountains" etal --

not to mention all the customs/culture which could lead to "strange fruit" on trees.

Women also continue to be targets -- long have been -- from "witches" to "Welfare Queens" --

and most lately with "partial truth abortion" -- and organized pornography, of course.

On and on -- you can't exploit someone who is your equal --



... but agree, everyone at DU should have been saying same thing!




Nice job -- keep at it!!

:)

[a la izquierda]

42. Hey, buddy, I'm "white"...

I don't feel oppressed. I mean, I guess I'm white. It's summer now, so the Sicilian and Spanish skin tones are really taking over. Better stay out of Arizona, I guess.

[laconicsax]

46. You must not listen to enough hate radio.

Listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. for a while and you'll start to think that straight, white, Christian men are the most persecuted and oppressed demographic in the history of ever.

[a la izquierda]

Nooooo way.

I'm working on my dissertation, that's more than enough aggravation and frustration for my life at the moment. ;)

[David__77]

64. There's no anti-white racism at all. None.

White people are much more politically backward, and that's a fact. The Euro-American settler colonialists laid the framework for an imperialist, oppressive country, and the demographic sinking of that group is just fine with me.

[defendandprotect]

66. The very concept of "white" is a farce -- everyone is someone of color . . .

and we should junk that term and move to a more accurate description . . .

Some native Americans called them "the pig people" because they were so pink.

But we might settle on "people of less color" -- or "more white" . . . ???

[David__77]

68. OK - "European Americans."

Is that better?

[defendandprotect]

69. No -- I'm emphasizing that describing people by COLOR doesn't work . . .especially

re "whites" --

If you're "white" check you skin against a sheet of white paper . . .

Whatever color you are now, it was original to beginnings in Africa.

And -- we should also stop referring to AA as "black." I don't see it here much --

but I think the NY Times continues to do it?

[David__77]

75. "Black" refers to a specific section of African-Americans.

"Black," many social theorists would agree, refers to US citizens of (mainly and perceived) African descent that had slave ancestors and who share a common culture and history on that basis. A recent Kenyan immigrant, for instance, is a different matter.

[goclark]

85. I've lived long enough to be called

in polite terms ~ Colored, Negro, Black, African American.

Most of us,I believe,have self identified these days as African Americans.

During the time of James Brown's "I'm Black and I'm Proud"
the younger generation quickly caught the Pride and the Title of being Black.

President Obama considers himself African American even though his father was African and his Mother was White.


My grandmother would say, " One drop and you're it ~ Colored."

What ever IT is, I'm extremely proud of my heritage.

:toast:

[defendandprotect]

88. Trust everyone is moving to "African-American" ... and away from color . . .

And agree with all you have said --

"Black is beautiful" was and is a very positive campaign

which responded courageously to right wing propaganda which existed

thru times of slavery and segregation intended to demean AAs.


The right wing is always very busy creating propaganda to demean and make

others exploitaable.

Thanks for your reply --




:)

[defendandprotect]

87. You are supporting identifying people by color........?

That is the subject of my post -- make your position clear, please.

Meanwhile, "black" has been the term used to identify people of color all over the world.

It is not limited to Africans here whose ancestors were exploited in our system of slavery.

Again -- the NY Times has been using "colors" to identify Americans for quite some time --

and I think it's time for them to stop --

and for us all to stop.

[caseymoz]

76. I'm white and nothing here makes me feel unwelcomed.

But I know when a story isn't a story until white people look at their privilege crumbling and feel it like racism.

If there's "no such thing as race," you shouldn't hear whites might be a minority and have any fear, nor that whites have fewer jobs and feel offended (as long as they aren't being chased from them or refused for hire) nor hate people who look at it and say, "no big thing."

You know, from things that I've begun to see, it does look like racism is alive among whites in Arizona and is about to become full-fledged Nazism.

[defendandprotect]

89. Just one point re Arizona . .. . was watching the Rehnquist hearings on C-span the

other day --

and here was a man who was actually out and interferring and harassing AAs in polling places

in Arizona -- trying to force them to prove they could read by pushing the Constitution in their

faces -- and he sat on our Supreme Court for decades as Chief Justice!!

As the tables begin to turn, it will be the right wing which will shout "reverse racism" and

try to create fear of AA's and Hispanics -- they've been doing that for centuries!!

Meanwhile, the truly violent among us have certainly NOT been AA nor Hispanics -- it's been

"whites"/Western Europeans.



.

[caseymoz]

92. They have certainly been the most violent in protecting their privilege.

And the most indifferent in terms of ever stepping in against injustice.

[Doctor_J]

78. O'Reilly? What are you doing here?

Oh, that's right. White Men are persecuted. Despite comprising nearly 40% of the electorate, white men make up only 83% of the US Senate, and 67% of the Supreme Court.

give us some links to posts wherein members "shoot at whites". Maybe you're jumpy since Pigboy is off the air for a few weeks to try another doomed marriage.

[sam sarrha]

9. i found the data in this video very interesting. is someone in charge of maintaining the Demographic

in the USA... how did the Magic birth rate number if 2.11 get achieved..up from 1.6 and miss only by 0.01 anything below 2.1 is a death sentence to the Status Quo of a culture over time, consider how many baby boomers are dropping out of the work force very soon... who was in charge of that.??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU&feature=related

[Igel]

14. The "decline in white Americans" might be a national trend.

If so, I hadn't heard it. Your link doesn't substantiate it.

Your link shows that whites will be a minority, with a strong inference that this is due to a greater number of non-whites. In other words, we're talking relative percentages and not privy to the numbers these are based on. White population counts could increase, decrease, or stay constant but, given sufficient non-white population growth, still decline as a percentage of the population. If they said the total population count and sufficient subgroup percentages, we could derive the population counts they're projecting. I don't think they give enough data for this.

The California "data" in your primary link deals fundamentally with population counts, with the change in percentages being derived. It shows an actual decline in population count, not just a decline in relative representation.

[Juche]

72. It is a national trend

I believe as of 2010 there are more non-white babies than whites, I believe 2042 is the year when whites become less than 50%. Plus non-whites have grown as a % of the electorate in the last few decades.

13% in 1992, 26% in 2008, 34% in 2020. Ask the GOP how the tea party movement is working out in 10 years.

[Warren Stupidity]

15. Good. Let us all now blend.

Fuck racism.

[defendandprotect]

90. Warren Beatty movie -- BULWORTH .....

that was the solution to this racism --

F your way out of it!!

Agree --

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118798/

[EFerrari]

17. This has been projected for CA ever since I can remember.

It's not like we didn't knock.

lol

[DBoon]

18. California has always been multi-ethnic

It was Mexico before it was California. People of Mexican heritage were always a substantial group here.

Asian immigrants help build California in the 19th and early 20th century. The Chinese were imported to perform menial labor. The Japanese build agriculture.

Read "Factories in The Field".

All that's changed is that anglos are no longer politically dominant.

[totodeinhere]

23. No, the Anglos are still politically dominant there.

And they will be for some time. Even after they become a minority in the state, they will still be at least a plurality of voting age people for some time.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

20. The middle class of all sorts is leaving and has been for a decade,

Primarily in search of more affordable housing in other states,

[totodeinhere]

22. Yes, and I suspect that middle class Latinos are leaving too.

In fact, that's why I left California for Nevada. I couldn't afford the high housing costs there.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

24. I know a few who have left,

Ironically for Arizona,

As far as housing costs go, fortunately I was smart enough to listen to my parents when they lit a fire under my ass to buy a house young and it was relatively cheap and Prop. 13 has kept me from being taxed out of it. Otherwise there is no way I could have remained when I went through some very lean years.

[tqla]

58. That sounds like great parenting to me Walter. Awesome.

[FreakinDJ]

30. "White-Flight" started in the early 90s

Hence the Los Vegas population explosion during the same period

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

31. It isn't really white flight

Proportionally the largest exodus has been of African Americans from the bay area,

[FreakinDJ]

33. To other parts of the state - so their not really leaving CA

Your statement dealt with middle class leaving California

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

35. No, their leaving the state too

Primarily for the Atlanta and Houston areas,

[EFerrari]

63. White flight started shortly after the end of WW2

and resulted in what we now know as suburbia.

[totodeinhere]

21. This is no big deal.

The longer Latinos stay in the country, the lower their fertility rate becomes. By the third generation, it is about the same as the rate for whites. And the more Latinos we have in this country, the more marriage will happen between Latinos and other groups such as whites, blacks, and Asians. Eventually, we will all have slightly darker skin, but as we know, hybrids tend to be healthier anyway. (And yes I know, this isn't quite the right use for the word "hybrid" because a hybrid is the result of breeding between two different species, not two different races or nationalities.) But you get my point.

[laconicsax]

50. It shouldn't be a big deal, but those invested in institutionalized racism make it one.

It really shouldn't be anything more than a demographic change that's interesting for the sake of knowing.

[caseymoz]

25. So? This is a non-story until racists get hysterical. nt

[Posteritatis]

43. In that case it became a story a few comments into this thread. (nt)

[HockeyMom]

27. Blending

Cannot speak for California, but it is happening a lot in South Florida. As one example, we have a 5 year old boy whose Mom is White and Dad is Black (Caribbean). As far as looks go, the Mom and Dad are both so so, but the child is absolutely GORGEOUS. He is going to break a lot of girls hearts when he grows up.

[harmonicon]

28. hmm... I wonder who is "white"

The idea of race is entirely a cultural construct, so things like this story are largely meaningless, but if we consider how the figures are gathered, I wonder who is "white". I assume that whatever figures were used to make this determination were self-reporting, so maybe fewer people now want to be white, or purely white. In the past being white had very distinct advantages, whereas that isn't as much the case now. Maybe now, people who would previously self-reported as "white" are now more comfortable stating their race as "mixed", "hispanic", or "other". The fact that the article contrasts "white" with "hispanic" is the most bizarre thing about it. I understand what is usually meant by this, but "hispanic" is a larger cultural category that encompasses many things outside of what is usually indicated by "race"; that is, a hispanic may wish to only identify as "hispanic", or they may consider themselves to be "black", "white", or "mixed". I haven't seen this year's census form, but I seem to remember that the last one had categories for "non-hispanic white" and "non-hispanic black", and not "white" or "black".

To give just a little perspective on how these things are entirely cultural, here in the UK most forms have categories such as "white English", "white Irish", and "other white".

[davidinalameda]

29. maybe I should move back

you don't get any whiter than me

I tell people I'm biracial-white and pasty white

[kestrel91316]

32. So?? From what I hear, HUMANS are definitely not in short supply here.

[panzerfaust]

36. Drill, Baby, Drill

The great white hope?

[madrchsod]

37. my grand daughter is white and blond and 25% " hispanic"

defining who is what by the colour of their skin .my best friends children are mix of scotch irish from the hills of southern il and the border of mexico...if look look at their skin colour they are "hispanic"

it is really pointless to define groups by their skin colour because it`s all in the blood type and dna.

[laconicsax]

49. Apropos to nothing important...

Which 25% of her is Hispanic? I used to say that I was 50% Hispanic until I realized that there's no discrete unit that you can measure. Now I just say that I'm of Hispanic descent. (I say Mexican if I'm talking to a RW idiot--I can trace that part of my family back to Spain going through Mexico, so it's really a matter of you feel that nationality becomes an ethnicity.)

[tqla]

60. LOL

[MadMaddie]

44. What they will realize with their deportation actions is that

when that White population retires and needs employees to take care of them there will be no one to do the jobs. The haters are always so short sited when it comes to these realities.

[EFerrari]

48. They can deport all the undocumented workers today

and the Latino population will still become the majority.

This actually has nada to do with immigration.

[MadMaddie]

67. Agreed! I am not just talking about the White population retiring

I am talking about the baby boomers retiring. That includes all races. Across America there is an issue with retiring baby boomers.

[krabigirl]

47. What is sad is that in today's age, people care about skin color at all. The comments were scary.

What is everyone so afraid of? I love living in a place where people from all different cultural backgrounds live. In the end though, people are people and some are nice and some aren't. :)

[lumberjack_jeff]

51. Zero population growth is a good thing.

Regardless of the colors involved.

[shanti]

52. i did my part

as did many other family members...the ones that didn't moved to arizona, colorado, and washington. :)

the handwriting was on the wall LONG ago.

[disndat]

55. I think Reagan looked the other way

when massive numbers of illegals make their way into California to help agri-business. Now it's pay-back time for the Republicans. After Arizona's recent Draconian laws against the Hispanics, they have mobilized against the elections of Republicans across the country. That may be one reason why Harry Reid, for one, is looking good in the next Nevada Primary.

[undeterred]

57. Maybe the white people need a breeding program.

:shrug:

[Juche]

73. I nominate Ellen Page and Shirley Manson

Plus if someone can convert Rachel Maddow out of lesbianism that'd really help me out too.

[Mendocino]

59. But the very idea of a white minority

just gives me the vapors. :sarcasm:

[tqla]

61. There's plenty of room for everybody!

Everybody should embrace their own heritage. I mean, is white really a race? White's are Irish, English, Swedish, and so on. We sometimes act like white is American and American is a race. It's not.

[Mendocino]

62. A consider myself a citizen of the world.

The rest is just useless detail.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say in your response to my previous post. I am clearly being sarcastic. It is confusing to say that trumpeting heritage somehow makes us all the same.

[tqla]

70. i wasn't directly replying to your post - I gotta get used to hitting the right button, but...

I never said "trumpeting" I said "embrace". You know, it's interesting. Oh, I got your sarcasm - just clicked the wrong "reply" link.

[Mendocino]

74. My grandmother

was born in Germany in 1899. Came to America in the early 20's. Sweetest lady in the world except for she had this xenophobic attitude to wards almost everyone.. She talked of "rich red German blood", and the French are this and the English that. In light of what Germany did in the past century, I wouldn't be bragging. Anyway I try to avoid heritage and genealogy. I feel it serves little useful purpose in a world community.

[Juche]

71. My people are moving to Sweden

No, you can't come. We are going to sit on our IKEA furniture, watch reruns of Seinfeld and eat mayonnaise by the jarful.

[Odin2005]

77. This is the REAL reason the far Right is against abortion.

They think the "dumb brown people outbreeding white people" will lead to the end of civilization exactly because they really think that Hispanics are less intelligent than whites. They consider Feminists and Pro-Choicers "race-traitors".

[shanti]

86. exactly

n/t

[New Dawn]

80. Is the 40% including or excluding white Latinos?

Many Americans still do not realize that ethnic Spaniards are white.

[aquart]

82. I'm just going to point out that Hispanic is a languistic not a racial identifier.

Lotta blond, blue-eyed Hispanics ever since World War II.