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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:09 PM
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Economy Grows at Solid 4.1 Percent Pace
hour, 5 minutes ago

By JEANNINE AVERSA, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - America's economic recovery ended 2003 on a good note, growing at a solid 4.1 percent annual rate, and is expected to do even better in the opening quarter of this year.

The latest reading on gross domestic product for the October-to-December quarter was the same as a previous estimate made a month ago, the Commerce Department (news - web sites) reported Thursday. That was consistent with economists' forecasts.

GDP (news - web sites) measures that value of all goods and services produced within the United States and is considered the most important barometer of the economy's health.

Economic growth in the current January-to-March quarter is expected to clock in at a rate of 4.5 percent, according to some analysts' forecasts. Growth in the April-to-June quarter also should be around that pace, they said.

more: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=668&ncid=749&e=6&u=/ap/20040325/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy
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historian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:11 PM
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1. oh really?
Im sure the eternally unemployed will be relieved to hear that. Besides, govt stats are always suspect and are irrelevant as far as im concened. The numbers will look rosier and rosier till november then its back to reality
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:13 PM
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2. According to those commies at Goldman Sachs, this is untrue
Edited on Thu Mar-25-04 01:13 PM by htuttle
U.S. Economy Recovering at Only Half Official Rate, Research Shows
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/national/8258155.htm


Mar. 21 - America's buoyant economic recovery could largely be a statistical illusion, according to research released this weekend.

Last year's growth may be half the official figure, which would explain the lack of job creation which is damaging President Bush's re-election chances.

A growing number of discrepancies are emerging in America's economic numbers, including a dramatic over-estimation of manufacturing output. The latest analysis from Goldman Sachs suggests that the US economy may have grown by only about 2.2 percent in the year to the fourth quarter of 2003, considerably less than the official 4.3 percent.

Jan Hatzius, a senior economist at Goldman Sachs, has added his voice to a growing band who believe that the growth figures are overstating the true recovery of the US economy. Errors in calculating manufacturing output and income growth explain why unemployment, on all measures, has consistently disappointed the markets in recent months, the research claims.

(much more at link)
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:22 PM
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4. This kind of distraction is vintage BushCo.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:26 PM
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6. Interesting article
Well worth reading, especially the part about 'hedonic pricing'.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:38 PM
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9. of course it is all a lie
does the economy FEEL solid? It's all bullshit.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 02:01 PM
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12. every stinkin statistic bushco* has produced...
has been an illusion...
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 03:01 PM
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15. "dramatic over-estimation of manufacturing output"
I believe that McDonalds and Burger King are now considered to be manufacturing (burgers/fries) for GOP propaganda purposes.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 03:02 PM
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16. I was going to link that
Thanks for being on the ball!

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 03:11 PM
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17. Thanks for the link -
The only thing growing is junior's nose, it sure as hell isn't Dick Cheney's joint with all that heart medication going into his fat gut.

Bob has grown a lot lately - see the big smile on Bob's kisser when he blows his suit in the pool and comes out with nothing on, exhibiting nothing but his foot and a half Rodney

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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 04:15 PM
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18. now honest to god this is what the true numbers seem like to me
I've got relatives in georgia, florida, arizona, and cali. and not a one of them is talking about how great the job market is. so how in the hell can we have a growth rate of 4.1 percent but there are no jobs.


and when I say jobs I don't mean taco bell.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:13 PM
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3. Unemployed 46 Months, Which Economy Could One Be Talking About?
Edited on Thu Mar-25-04 01:13 PM by mhr
I'd sure like to know!
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:23 PM
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5. And yet, still no jobs
Something doesn't seem right somewhere.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:29 PM
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7. the only possible explanation for this
would be income tax refunds which is only short term. With no jobs being created, it still doesn't make it a "recovery," which is necessary for it be a full recovery.

More propaganda from this administration.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:31 PM
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8. these numbers are so cooked
that they have lost all credibility.

Arthur Andersen has been the training ground for this mal-administration and its accounting. The corporate accounting scandal was based mostly in the fact that the accountants were getting the books to come out "as the market expected" numbers - and here is a great example just today of that type of crap:

http://finance.yahoo.com/mo

the economic news was good, but in line with expectations...new claims were up 1,000 to 339,000 in the week ended March 20, but that is a low level and the level of those drawing benefits fell 46,000...the Existing Home Sales report showed a 2% increase for February, exactly as expected...

and fourth quarter GDP was unrevised at a 4.1% annual rate...oil prices are significantly lower today amidst talk that OPEC might not implement production cuts...

Everything is coming up roses, but those roses are growing in an ever increasing pile of shit.
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:44 PM
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10. Liars!
The only people making out in this economy are the ones with ALOT of stocks.

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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:53 PM
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11. Don't believe it... Dubai/UAE is growing at just under 4%
and it is an absolute boom here.

The US economy is not growing that much... SORRY but TRUE
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 02:35 PM
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13. Nonsense
This figures are crap and everyone knows except for the morons buying stocks today.
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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 02:40 PM
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14. You sound like Drudge
This reminds me of the story Drudge ran when the job growth was worse than expected. Instead of saying "worse than expected" he said whatever the pittance of jobs was. If you want to get the REAL liberal headlines on such stories, you should check out The Raw Story, at http://www.rawstory.com.
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toodles_oduff Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 12:26 AM
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19. Great site! Thanks for the tip!
How long has it been around by the way?
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 12:32 AM
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20. You know, not to take anything from our poor state here in the US
but on Link TV's DW Journal tonight I saw an article about Germany's econmic status and it almost mirrors ours. VERY ODD and interesting! The people in their parliment clapped when someone stood up and told Shroeder that she didn't know what world he was living in but it certainly wasn't reality. PLUS, they are outsourcing jobs like here in the US.

How can this be? Has the whole First World countries bought into this? If so, the saying that those who were first will be last and those who were last first, may soon become a reality!
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