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thedecline Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:03 PM
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White House April 2001 Memo: Focus on bin Laden a "Mistake"
White House, 4/01: Focus on Bin Laden "A Mistake"

A previously forgotten report from April 2001 (four months before 9/11) shows that the Bush Administration officially declared it "a mistake" to focus "so much energy on Osama bin Laden." The report directly contradicts the White House's continued assertion that fighting terrorism was its "top priority" before the 9/11 attacks1.

Specifically, on April 30, 2001, CNN reported that the Bush Administration's release of the government's annual terrorism report contained a serious change: "there was no extensive mention of alleged terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden" as there had been in previous years. When asked why the Administration had reduced the focus, "a senior Bush State Department official told CNN the U.S. government made a mistake in focusing so much energy on bin Laden."2.

The move to downgrade the fight against Al Qaeda before 9/11 was not the only instance where the Administration ignored repeated warnings that an Al Qaeda attack was imminent3. Specifically, the Associated Press reported in 2002 that "President Bush's national security leadership met formally nearly 100 times in the months prior to the Sept. 11 attacks yet terrorism was the topic during only two of those sessions"4. Meanwhile, Newsweek has reported that internal government documents show that the Bush Administration moved to "de-emphasize" counterterrorism prior to 9/115. When "FBI officials sought to add hundreds more counterintelligence agents" to deal with the problem, "they got shot down" by the White House.


Sources:
Press Briefing by Scott McClellan, 03/22/2004.
CNN, 04/30/2001.
Bush Was Warned of Hijackings Before 9/11; Lawmakers Want Public Inquiry, ABC News, 05/16/2002.
"Top security advisers met just twice on terrorism before Sept. 11 attacks", Detroit News, 07/01/2002.
Freedom of Information Center, 05/27/2002.

http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/Read.asp?fn=df03262004.html
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:05 PM
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1. Is this the end?
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:05 PM
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2. This needs to be EVERYWHERE!
This really could be damaging......and I'm a pessimist!
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:07 PM
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4. Please forward to sens, reps, media
immediately.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:26 PM
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24. i sent it to drudge
i like to send him "tips" like this:)
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:54 PM
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44. Please do not forward anywhere
This story isn't valid (see reply 40 and others)--please wait for better ammo. The last thing this story needs is easily dismissed pro-Clarke stuff that will imply the more valid stuff is also weak.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #44
55. Why are you on another thread
responding to an Ann Coulter question with some Hannity propaganda re. Condasleaza Rice?
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #55
57. Say what?
I was attacking Coulter and Hannity. They say a 2000 Rice interview where she mentions Bin Laden proves she had heard of al Qaeda.

There was a lot of publicity about BIN LADEN but "al qaeda" was a fairly unknown phrase at the time.
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #2
85. Only Clarke's Aug. background briefing is being reported on in the news
The print media and TV don't mention this document. I think this is the "smoking gun."
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:07 PM
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3. Nice Catch
The drips have finally become a torrent that will wash the neo-con garbage out of DC.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:08 PM
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5. How would you like YOUR Bush Administration?
I prefer mine WELL DONE!!!!!!
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. Burnt to a crisp.
"How would you like YOUR Bush Administration?"
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #11
25. You may need to amend that remark, JR.
FBI man might not get the joke.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #5
49. Pittsburg Style
Inside and Out and then straight into the garbage can!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #5
64. junior is ......
WELL DONE!!!!!!
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:08 PM
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6. This is huge
Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 03:16 PM by bif
This is going to help bury these guys.
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SaintLouisBlues Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:08 PM
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7. Gun, meet smoke
Shout it out!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:08 PM
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8. Do we have confirmation of this?
Has this been verified elsewhere?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:09 PM
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9. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
thedecline Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #9
14. Misleader is run by Moveon
So I can't really claim this is non-biased. I just passed this link and text along after seeing it newly posted on another political message board I read regularly.

I expect it'll be confirmed soon, but we'll see.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #9
18. misleader.org is an offshoot of moveon.org
I urge you to subscribe to their well-sourced daily email newsletter.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #9
41. Welcome to DU, kosher!
:hi:

If it clarifies this issue, I'd like to point out that the government's annual reporting period may have more to do with its fiscal year parameters, than those of the * Admin, which you rightly pointed out was only three months *old* -- not 3 months' of *activity*.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #9
72. Annual reports frequently refer to a fiscal year
Which usually runs April 1 of one year to March 31 of the next.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #9
76. According to the State Department
The annual "Patterns of Global Terrorism" report is submitted in compliance with Title 22 of the United States Code, Section 2656f(a), which requires the Department of State to provide Congress a full and complete annual report on terrorism for those countries and groups meeting the criteria of Section (a)(1) and (2) of the Act.
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/

There apparently is no exception in the law for an incoming administration not interested in or not up to speed on fighting terrorism.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #9
80. This is not new news...those of us who have been around awhile
know all about this. FBI was pulled off the job of pursuing OBL.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:20 PM
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81. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:10 PM
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10. Grrr
The cite to the April 2001 CNN story has no link on the Misleader site. Grrrrre. Stiil .. I think Chimpy's toast.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:11 PM
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12. Huge blow to Buschco
Now all that's left to ask is:

Will CNN carry the story?

&

How will Fox try to spin it so it looks good for chimpy?
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #12
91. How will Fox try to spin it? Easy as ABC: Always Blame Clinton!
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:11 PM
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13. Okay...I want to believe this so bad!
Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 03:13 PM by Atman
It would certainly seem to vindicate Clarke pretty much, and drive a stake through the heart of the beast. But I've never heard of a "previously forgotten" report. Recently discovered, just released, previously undisclosed, but "previously forgotten?" I'm hoping it was just very sloppy writing that slipped by an editor, but it makes the story sound illegit.

I hope you'll forgive me. For some reason, I've grown quite cynical over the last few years.

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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:13 PM
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15. Just sent it to CNN to remind them of their little report
Must hyperblast media with this.

Also Frist at www.senate.gov

and Hastert at

www.house.gov

wankers
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:13 PM
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16. Here's the report
If y'all want to comb through it:

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2000/
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #16
37. They Spell it "Ladin" with an "i"
Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 03:54 PM by gottaB
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:14 PM
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17. Newsweek link (May, '02) via Freedom of Information Center
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:22 PM
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19. from Detroit News (June 22, 2002)
<snip>



By Ted Bridis / Associated Press


WASHINGTON -- President Bush's national security leadership met formally nearly 100 times in the months prior to the Sept. 11 attacks yet terrorism was the topic during only two of those sessions, officials say.

<snip>

Rice has described the work of the council's Counterterrorism Security Group, directed by Special Assistant Richard Clarke, which met several times each week during July and August. By Aug. 6, Bush received a briefing report with the heading, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike the United States." The report discussed the possibility of traditional airline hijackings.

http://www.detnews.com/2002/politics/0207/01/politics-526326.htm
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #19
73. Amazing
It makes you wonder what they talked about the other 98 times. The article says:

"Bush's principals committee was focused on missile defense, Iraq, China, international economic policy, global warming and the U.S. stance toward Russia"

One wonders if it was mostly Iraq.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:22 PM
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20. This story looks like BS
I cannot find any reference on CNN. Googling everything represented as a direct quote is also a bust.

For those interested in forming their own conclusions, here's what I assume is the report in question. (I'm guessing because the report isn't specifically identified by title in this post)

There's no search function, but I didn't see Bin Laden named in what I looked at.

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2000/
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. from cursory glance
and search for term bin Ladin (netscape function) he appears in Asia Overview, Overview of State Sponsored Terrorism,
Al Q also.

still looking.
dp
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #26
77. Also in Appendix B
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CaptainClark23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #20
27. Use "edit" -> "find" to search the pages.
There are several mentions of UBL and Al-Qaida. Mostly in section on middle east.

But nothing to reflect people running around with hair on fire.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #20
78. Troublemaker, sit back and watch REAL DU'ers show you.......
.....how it's DUn! :evilgrin:

Bullshit my ass! :) I remember when this was reported ON CNN!
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:24 PM
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21. Smack! Blam! Kapow!


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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:24 PM
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22. good find!
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:26 PM
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23. (edited)Looks like this needs more fleshing out
Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 03:59 PM by Jim4Wes
THis may not be the smoking gun. The misleader sight has not made it clear enough with the supporting docs.
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smartass Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #23
29. And there's still 7 months 'til election. Kapow!!
This reminds me of the airplane movie in which all the passenger line up to take a whack at the hysterical passenger. Bush is gonna be a human pinata!
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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:29 PM
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28. Here's the CNN link
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/04/30/terrorism.state.dept/

Relevant paragraph:

Unlike last year's report, bin Laden's al Qaeda organization is mentioned, but the 2000 report does not contain a photograph of bin Laden or a lengthy description of him and the group. A senior State Department official told CNN that the U.S. government made a mistake last year by focusing too tightly on bin Laden and "personalizing terrorism ... describing parts of the elephant and not the whole beast."
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. Key words...lengthy description.
Does the length matter? That isn't the same as saying not being there at all. Good find, though.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. Thanks for the Link
"Unlike last year's report, bin Laden's al Qaeda organization is mentioned, but the 2000 report does not contain a photograph of bin Laden or a lengthy description of him and the group. A senior State Department official told CNN that the U.S. government made a mistake last year by focusing too tightly on bin Laden and "personalizing terrorism ... describing parts of the elephant and not the whole beast."
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #28
34. Thanks, This'll Come In Handy When Osama Gets Found
and Bush wants us to worship him as our Commander in Chief!

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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #28
38. And the next paragraph states:
"United Nations Resolution 1333, imposing stricter sanctions against the Taleban until it hands over bin Laden and stops its support for terrorist activity, is cited as progress in the international effort against terrorism."

... conveniently not mentioning that the United States was giving $43 million in "no-strings attached" aid to the Taliban for discouraging the opium trade.

It seems to me that even on an international level, the U.S. thought drugs were a much bigger problem than terrorism.

It also seems likely that the U.S. was probably the single biggest foreign sponsor (financially speaking) of the Taliban.

It also seems, ironically, that it was the United Nations taking the hardline against terrorism (and specifically the Taliban and Bin Laden) via this resolution, and the U.S. acting in direct contradiction of this resolution.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #38
45. When did the US give $43M to the Taliban?
Do you have a linky?
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #45
51. It was in April or May 2001. I remember it. I think it had to do
with their opium crop. They agreed to stop production, of course they had a year's supply socked away. They suckered bush out of all the money.
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CaptainClark23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #45
59. May 2001 + link
http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/01_columns/052201.htm

snips:

That's the message sent with the recent gift of $43 million to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan, the most virulent anti-American violators of human rights in the world today. The gift, announced last Thursday by Secretary of State Colin Powell, in addition to other recent aid, makes the U.S. the main sponsor of the Taliban and rewards that "rogue regime" for declaring that opium growing is against the will of God.

Sadly, the Bush administration is cozying up to the Taliban regime at a time when the United Nations, at U.S. insistence, imposes sanctions on Afghanistan because the Kabul government will not turn over Bin Laden.

But it is grotesque for a U.S. official, James P. Callahan, director of the State Department's Asian anti-drug program, to describe the Taliban's special methods in the language of representative democracy: "The Taliban used a system of consensus-building,"
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #59
66. Send both these links to .....the 911 Panel.....Immediately!!!!
And all their families!!!!

And to the BBC....so the British can see plans at hand.

These two alone should warrant an immediate
independent investigation into their true intentions
on the matters of the 911 catastrophe!!!!!
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #59
83. Great column!
thanks for the link!
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #28
39. Was this report done by the Clinton admin or Bush admin?????
If it is a report on 2000 terrorism.


A senior State Department official told CNN that the U.S. government made a mistake last year by focusing too tightly on bin Laden and "personalizing terrorism ... describing parts of the elephant and not the whole beast."


Was this person quoted from Clinton's time or Bush's?
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #28
47. Hmmm...
Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 04:20 PM by klook
(Edited after further consideration and research)

Let's not get too excited. The more I look at this, the sloppier it looks.

The CNN quote is of some interest (thanks, EarlG - Post #28 in this thread). Unfortunately, the quote came from a confidential source and not a published report, so that's not too strong. At any rate, as troublemaker points out, the reference was to how much play bin Laden was given in the annual report--which is an indication of the administration's focus or lack thereof, but doesn't directly reflect policy.

The other sources cited contain information that's damning, but already part of the public discourse on Bush and 9/11. So I have to agree with those who've pointed out that there's no real smoke coming from this gun.

The McClellan press conference transcript contains virtually nothing relevant to the claim being made, and the other sources wouldn't generate any new heat at this point, either.

We must be rigorous in verifying stories and sources before going off half-cocked and sending stuff around that can be easily debunked by the far (f)right.

For a minute, I suspected that misleader.org was a plant by the Republicans. But according to a search of the Network Solutions whois database, it's registered to Eli Pariser and moveon.org. They need to do a better job of fact checking before publishing stuff.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:31 PM
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30. here is Powell's Briefing on that report
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/rm/2001/2571.htm

bin Laden's name is nowhere in the Briefing.

Here's the CNN link

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ASIANOW/south/04/30/us.southasia/

it was not in the US edition - only Asia

:wtf:
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #30
62. Wrong Link
The link above ("Here's the CNN link http://www.cnn.com/2000/ASIANOW/south/04/30/us.southasia /") is about the Clinton era 1999 report (May 2000 release) not the 1st Bush report (20000; May 2001 release)
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #30
69. Looks like there is alot of Ashcroft style doctoring around here.
Seems to me the link

<http://www.cnn.com/2000/ASIANOW/south/04/30/us.southasia/>

is propably the more accurrate of the two.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:32 PM
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31. That was my "Hey look" e-mail for today
My mother mad ethe mistake of sending me one of those BS anti-Kerry e-mails (about him mistreating a pilot while on a POW/MIA visit to Vietnam) with a whole bunch of her friends and such. This crowd is in it's 50's to 70's and most are probably Bush supporters save for one who became a DU'er.

I send one e-mail a day starting with "Hey look....." and try to use very reputable sources, ones they might trust. This one was too good to pass up.
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CaptainClark23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:36 PM
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35. Great news, but....
This all points to simple ineptitude and/or indifference. Which may be enough to get these bozos out of the WH.

But it does not address what I and others here feel about the terrorist attacks of 9.11.

Complicity at worst, deliberate obfuscation at best.

Yes, we need the BFEE out of power. But to see anything less than criminal charges against those responsible for allowing or enabling these attacks is a grave disservice to this nation.

Have we considered that they are hanging out the picture of incompetence as a cover for something far more sinister?

Will we be satisfied with this tease of Justice and closure?

Never forget, they said. Damn straight. I won't.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #35
70. Good point......but there is a tremendous amount of evidence.
We just need to bring it all under the same roof
and get an independent panel to do a thorough investigation.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:38 PM
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36. So Osama really WAS Bin Forgotten!
Thanks, CIA--but don't blow your was before November--we have a way to go!

:headbang:
rocknation
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Nordic65 Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #36
46. Holding on to september should do just fine
Remember NYC, republican convention, shameless exploitation of 9/11. That one is not going to play well with the electorate.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:23 PM
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71. May all their peptic ulcers runneth over!!!.......KARMA!!!!
Will those repugs really want to step on their sinking ship?
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:44 PM
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40. Jesus! Can MoveOn please try some honesty.
Disclaimer: I take a back seat to no one in my desire to see Bush out of office, but...

This story is garbage. The money quote is out of context and--even worse--altered! Th quote refers to how much publicity to give Bin Laden in the report, not to overall efforts against Bin Laden.

This is part of the incoming Bush admin's desire to not personalize Bin Laden, reflecting the attitude in a 1990s Heritage Foundation report that I read but cannot find anymore. I personally disagree with the Bush view, but that doesn't justify this distorted "article"

____________
From the CNN link:

Unlike last year's report, bin Laden's al Qaeda organization is mentioned, but the 2000 report does not contain a photograph of bin Laden or a lengthy description of him and the group. A senior State Department official told CNN that the U.S. government made a mistake last year by focusing too tightly on bin Laden and "personalizing terrorism ... describing parts of the elephant and not the whole beast."

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/04/30/terrorism.state.dept/

___________
From the MoveOn piece:

"When asked why the Administration had reduced the focus, "a senior Bush State Department official told CNN the U.S. government made a mistake in focusing so much energy on bin Laden.""

http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/Read.asp?fn=df03262004.html
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:49 PM
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42. You may be right.
Still digging...
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Another Bill C. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 04:01 PM
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48. I agree
In reading the report and the comments regarding the report, I don't see any "smoking gun." Al Qaeda is mentioned as a threat in the report and as a suspect in the Cole bombing.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 04:29 PM
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53. deleted by poster
Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 04:46 PM by troublemaker
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 04:30 PM
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54. Are you up to no good, troublemaker?
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 04:36 PM
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56. deleted by poster
Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 04:47 PM by troublemaker
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 04:44 PM
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58. I won't dispute your subject line, but what quote are you talking about?
I've just read the CNN article you linked about the 2000 report, covering 1999, and I fail to find any 'really scary quote that smears Albright and Clinton' in it.

Where is it?
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 04:52 PM
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60. please disregard
I'm not looking to publicize anti-Clinton material.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 04:55 PM
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61. Then send it to me in a PM
Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 04:57 PM by htuttle
I did not see anything anti-Clinton in that article.

And besides -- don't worry. Clinton isn't running for president anymore.

BTW, here's the correct link to the report the Bush administration prepared:

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/04/30/terrorism.state.dept



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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:06 PM
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65. PM sent --sorry for confusion. n/t
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 06:43 PM
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79. I agree that the misleader.org piece has the quote wrong, but it still may
reveal additional lies by Comrade Squealer in the March 22, 2004 press briefing concerning whether the administration really determined during the transition that "al Qaeda was a top priority," and that the administration "immediately began acting on that priority when {Bush} came into office." It would help to have the entire quote the State Department official gave CNN and any other comments not included in the CNN article. CNN probably is in the best position to pursue this.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 08:30 PM
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86. both of those bold phrases are outside the quotes
Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 08:30 PM by librechik
and presumably paraphrases. We may quibble on semantics, but it's not a lie. Spin is what it is.
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Almost_there Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 09:30 PM
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88. Damn... I thought this was the one.
I am still hopeful, I haven't seen a solid link other than to this misleader piece, which by its own name, is sort of like trustin Drudge or Newsmax for a "developing" story.

You definately vetted this out, troublemaker. I was so excited reading the post header, and when I went to the link and saw MoveOn all over the place, I got a bit cynical. Thankfully, there aren't as many drudges on this side as on the bushista's side, but, I don't think my congressman would get a kick out of this article.

~Almost
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 03:51 PM
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43. The only question is: LIHOP or MIHOP?
I'm really enjoying the thought of some DU posters (especially in the 9/11 Forum) who have clung so rabidly - and foolishly - to the Official Story spun by the traitors in the White House.

What say you now, with all the evidence that LIHOP, at the very least, was the order of the day?

My guess: not much.

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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:33 PM
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84. Treason
Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 07:39 PM by teryang
...is really what it is all about. The end justifies the means. The Discourses call for an enemy to be brought forth when the Prince comes to power. How he came to power is part and parcel of the treasonous scheme to keep him in power and lend public support to the illegitimate government of militarists and fascists plundering the treasury and the people for their own enrichment and aggrandizement.

I fear their next installment of treasonous acts.
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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 04:13 PM
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50. Some sources
Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 04:24 PM by scottcsmith
I'll have to put in a lot of text as I cannot link directly to the stories I've found.

"Washington Times, May 1, 2001
The State Department accused Iran yesterday of being "the most active" among the seven state sponsors of terrorism in 2000, along with Cuba, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria.

Iran won the designation because of its support for Hezbollah, Hamas and Palestine Islamic Jihad, groups "which seek to undermine the Middle East peace negotiations through the use of terrorism," the department said in its annual Patterns of Global Terrorism Report.

"Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Cuba, North Korea and Sudan continue to be the seven governments that the U.S. secretary of state has designated as state sponsors of international terrorism," said the report.

Critics accuse the United States of listing countries such as Cuba, Libya and North Korea on the basis of ideology, whereas more active supporters of terrorism, such as Pakistan, are ignored.

Afghanistan was accused of harboring terrorists, including Osama bin Laden. Bin Laden, whose group Alqaida has been on the U.S. list of terrorists for two years, is accused of bombing U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and other U.S. targets. But since the United States does not recognize its Taliban-run government, it was not listed among state sponsors of terrorism.

The 2000 report dropped the bloody Khmer Rouge Cambodian guerrilla group from its list of terrorist groups, now that its leaders are dead, jailed or cooperating with the Cambodian authorities.

However, the State Department added to its list the Colombian paramilitary group United Self-Defense Forces, accusing it of 804 assassinations, 203 kidnappings and 75 massacres with 507 victims - all in the first 10 months of 2000.

The paramilitary group was one of 15 groups on a list marked "other terrorist groups," which are active but have not been formally designated foreign terrorist organizations (FTOs).

Two leftist Colombian guerrilla movements did make the Foreign Terrorist Organizations list:

* Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, known as FARC, for "bombings, murder, kidnappings, extortion, hijacking and executing three U.S. Indian rights activists."

* National Liberation Army, known as ELN, for "kidnapping, hijacking, bombing, extortion and guerrilla war."

FTOs are barred by law from raising funds in the United States. Members can be denied U.S. visas and their assets may be seized.

The report said that 423 attacks produced 405 dead over the year 2000, up from 1999 when 233 died in international terrorist attacks.

Secretary of State Colin Powell, who spoke to reporters yesterday at Foggy Bottom to present the report, said "international cooperation against terrorism is increasing and it is paying off."

Mr. Powell warned that "state sponsors of terrorism are increasingly isolated" and "terrorist groups are under growing pressure" but warned that the problem will not be completely ended.

"Terrorism is a persistent disease" he said, made easier in part because of wider global trade and communications.

But the U.S. terrorist designation has only a small effect on them, conceded Edmund J. Hull, the State Department's coordinator for counterterrorism.

"I don't think it's a question of the list itself, being on the list, effecting that kind of change," said Mr. Hull.

"Most of these governments are extremely uncomfortable with the stigma that comes attached to being accused of sponsoring terrorism, and they will, over time, often seek ways to escape that stigma," he added.

The Palestinian Authority and Yasser Arafat's Fatah wing of the Palestinian Authority came under criticism for allowing attacks on Israelis. However, the criticism was oblique, citing Israeli accusations that Palestinian security officials and Fatah members had taken part in attacks.

Asked why the report cited Israeli reports but not Palestinian accusations against Israel, Mr. Hull said the State Department had reason to believe the Israeli reports."

The report itself can be found at the State Department.

Read through it. It's very clear the Bush Administration had little interest in Al-Qaeda or Bin Laden.

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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 04:28 PM
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52. This is huge...
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:01 PM
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63. Al Kamen from Washington Post had this yesterday
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:08 PM
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67. Good Catch
Kamen presents it accurately
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:12 PM
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68. Welcome to DU, thedecline!
Great way to make an entrance! :hi:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:44 PM
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74. I Disagree With Some Here: This Is A Big Story. Thanks EarlG & TheDecline
This corroborates Richard Clarke's sworn testimony and has the White House at odds with itself.

"Unlike last year's report, bin Laden's al Qaeda organization is mentioned, but the 2000 report does not contain a photograph of bin Laden or a lengthy description of him and the group. A senior State Department official told CNN that the U.S. government made a mistake last year by focusing too tightly on bin Laden and "personalizing terrorism ... describing parts of the elephant and not the whole beast."

Welcome to the DU, thedecline and thanks EarlG for the CNN Link.

What's going on with all of this?

I'm stuck at work and this seems so huge to me.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:59 PM
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75. Damnit, just when you thought the memory of the American people
Was equal to a goldfish, they have to go and remember what you said three years ago! God, that's a lifetime! (if you're a goldfish)

http://www.wgoeshome.com
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:25 PM
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82. Missing Link?
I looked at misleader and cnn and google and i cant find that transript and unless we can you know that it wont count as proof. Anybody have it? It would make the case better.
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Chomskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 09:27 PM
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87. I dont see it
One unnamed official, albeit a senior one, leaks a statement that agrees with Clarke's testimony.

Could it have been Clarke himself doing the leaking?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 09:34 PM
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89. I checked everywhere
Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 09:34 PM by chimpsrsmarter
and i still can't find any link that has that info directly, i'm not saying it's bogus but i'm sure the WH deleted it off their site, there is no WH briefing listed for that date.
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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 10:36 PM
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90. Some links
Briefing by Phillip T. Reeker & Edmund J. Hull (State Department officials), April 30, 2001.

Statement of Sec. of State Colin Powell on release of report, April 30, 2001.

Patterns of Global Terrorism, State Department, April 30, 2001. (This is the entire report, broken into sections).





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