U.S. Wants Canada to Join Continent-Wide Pact to Defend Terrorism

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U.S. Wants Canada to Join Continent-Wide Pact to Defend Terrorism, Deputy NORAD Commander Says
03-26-2004 09:02 PM

TORONTO -- The United States would like Canada and eventually Mexico to join in a continent-wide pact to defend against terrorism, the deputy commander of NORAD said Friday.

Any initial move for a North American-wide defense structure would only involve Canada and the United States but could eventually include Mexico, said Lt. Gen. Ed Anderson.

"The threat to both of our homelands is real," Anderson told military leaders and academics at a conference on homeland defense and land force reserves in Calgary, Alberta.

Anderson said a North American version of NATO, the 19-nation North Atlantic Treaty Organization, is being studied.

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[whirlygigspin]

1. perhaps using "against" might be wise here

I for one won't defend terrorism in any way.

[DulceDecorum]

2. But if Canada joins the Union

where will they send the planes to the next time?

It was very convenient being able to send all incoming terrorists to Canada.
Consider it payback for 1812.

[RainDog]

3. The U.S. under Bush has shown what his crew

thinks about NATO and long-standing allies...

With the current administration and Republican-controlled Congress, I honestly do not see why any other democratic nation would be inclined to form alliances with them...they have made disdain for any treaties clear to everyone, from Kyoto to the International Criminal Court.

They lied about Iraq, have thwarted attempts to have U.N. participation, except on their terms...

They seem to think that no other nation should have any imput into any agreement.

If I were Canada, I would wonder about the benefit of such an alliance.

This is one of the reasons they have made us more vulnerable to terrorism, by treating every other nation as though it were the indentured servant of the neocons.

[freeforall]

16. The benefits of alliance...

"If I were Canada, I would wonder about the benefit of such an alliance."

Oh, we don't wonder. We know.

[hang a left]

4. I think that this is part of strengthening the FTAA.

There is conspiracy site after conspiracy site out there that identify the ultimate motives of the FTAA. For me this is the scariest story posted in LBN right now.

[Minstrel Boy]

5. I think you're right.

"The threat to both of our homelands is real"

Keep that sinister "homeland" bullshit out of my country.

Canada's only natural threat is the "homeland."

[JohnyCanuck]

11. I agree Minstrel Boy

That HOMELAND bullshit is straight out of Orwell. I remember shortly after 9/11 some dumbass CBC reporter mentioned something about Canada's own "homeland" security in a TV news report. I fired off an email to CBC right away and told them we didn't need George Bush's brainwashing, propaganda crap in Canada. Let the Yanks use "Homeland" if they wanted to, but please have their reporters cease and desist from using that term in reference to Canada. I never heard it mentioned again in relation to Canada, but after seeing this latest news item I will be surprised if we don't find more and more Canadians start to use the term in relation to Canadian DOMESTIC security. Watch and see how quickly we'll be seeing the Bush ass kissing types in the Reform/Alliance/New Conservative party (like Harper) start throwing it out in comments to the press and speeches etc.


Double Speak and the New World Order.
by Richard Moore

This use of language is a form of propaganda - and this vocabulary propaganda is much more subtle and effective than content propaganda. Content propaganda misinforms about issues, but vocabulary propaganda interferes with the ability to think or talk about issues in a way that can lead to understanding or enable effective political organizing.

As Orwell predicted, this kind of propaganda makes language volatile. In his scenario, one might read in the morning paper about an action against an enemy, with no mention that the same folks were faithful allies as recently as yesterday's edition. In actuality, the shifts in today's doublespeak are more subtle and evolutionary. As you watch new language being created, you can map out the NWO agenda: the white-hat items are to be promoted, the black-hat items to be suppressed.

www.newdawnmagazine.com/Articles/Doublespeak%20and%20the%20New%20World%20Order.html

See also "Brainwashing America" by Dr. Norman Livergood former head of the Dept of Artificial Intelligence at the US Army War College.

While serving as Head of the Artificial Intelligence Department at the U.S. Army War College, 1993-1995, I conducted studies on profiling, psychological programming, and brainwashing. I explored and developed personality simulation systems, an advanced technology used in military war games, FBI profiling, political campaigning, and advertising. Part of my discovery was that:


unenlightened human minds are combinations of infantile beliefs and emotional patterns

these patterns can be simulated in profiling systems

these profiling systems can be used to program and control people

Personality simulation systems are being used to create political campaigns that apply voter profiles to control their voting behavior. TV commercials and programs use personality simulation to profile viewers to control their purchasing and viewing behaviors. And sophisticated propaganda and brainwashing techniques are being used by the Bush junta to keep American citizens under control.


http://www.hermes-press.com/brainwash1.htm

[Lisa]

15. and remember "manifest destiny"?

Those two concepts aren't really very far apart!

[0007]

6. ....junior is to continental and not enough universal

[Spazito]

7. There is already a movement and petition regarding...

the MDS which is a big part of this "homeland" defense negotiations between Canada and the US.

Here is the site for the petition, I think the petition is for Canadians only which, if so, is unfortunate as voices from US citizens would be of value as well.

http://www.ceasefire.ca/

[TrogL]

8. I wish they'd knock off the "homeland" stuff

Canadians do not talk about a "homeland". It was a Nazi term.

[ithacan]

9. don't do it!!

I think Canadians have enough sense to know that this is the last thing they should do if they value their sovereignty and their humane attitude towards government's role in society.

If this goes through the Bush regime will try to bully Canada into spending much more on "defense" than is necessary, for the same reason they do here -- to destroy the social programs that make Canada a humane society.

[Spazito]

12. Exactly!

We already have the disgusting US Ambassador to Canada, paul celluci, interfering with the internal affairs of Canada by telling us how to allocate our monies in the budget.

Canadians do NOT support "Star Wars" and the "request" for our participation. The vocal oppostion is growing.

[leesa]

10. Well at least they are being honest. The US wants to defend its terrorist

role. They would like Canada to become terrorists along with them.

[gula]

13. First off, when are they going to realize that terrorism

cannot be defeated with an army, no matter how large and well equipped, but with intelligence, something that seems to be sorely lacking in both our leaderships. Also there has to be international cooperation for it to be successful, so going around pissing everybody off is very counterproductive.

While I am convinced that a majority of Canadians do not want a closer cooperation with the US in this matter, because we realize that it will invariably infringe even further on our personal freedom and our ability to act as an independent state, there is a powerful corporate elite that will stop at nothing to enrich themselves. If this project would make access to the US market easier by speeding up border crossing etc. they will employ any method they deem necessary to get it going and to hell with the people.

Sorry for the rant but I went to a conference given by the Council for Canadians last night and it confirmed every fear that I have and then some. It is high time for us Canadians to get off our bums and make our voices heard, loud and clear, before it is too late.

[Spazito]

14. I am going to give bush credit for one thing and that is...

when he and his cabal verbally attacked Canada for not supporting the invasion of Iraq, threatening all kinds of trade repercussions, etc, many Canadians woke up and realized that we are less dependent on the US than we had been led to believe.

While the US deficit grew, we retained a surplus, we have begun to more vigorously pursue trade and other relations with China and India.

Thanks, george, for giving us a wake-up call! Bet you didn't count on that when you acted like the bully you are!

[Mari333]

17. Im 4 hours away from Canada and I smell a free country

and not a quasi fascist totalitarian place
I salute Canada as they tell Bu$h to stuff it!
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh Canadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
Now, if only my husband and I could find someone to sponsor us to move there. sigh.

[RainDog]

18. Since the army has threatened you

and your son has been harrassed after you spoke out, you could probably get sponsorship from one of the Unitarian/Quaker/Catholic groups in Canada.

I took the immigration test to see if I could qualify to move to Canada, and recently started taking a couple of classes again to get my Masters so that I will be in a better position to move elsewhere if Bush pulls another 2000 fiasco. Also trying to bring my level of French comprehension, speaking, writing proficiency up.

My favorite way is to watch The Simpsons dvds in French.. :)

It's not just the issue of terrorism that is a problem here, but it is the rejection of "classical liberalism" from the right wing religious extremists here that make me ready to look for more enlightened government.

the right wing reactionary republicans in Congress are attempting a total take over of their party...and they are already a long way there.

Sort of like The Handmaid's Tale in slo-mo in American right now.

[JohnyCanuck]

22. Honestly Mari, I hate to say it

but in the long run I am not sure you would be much better off by moving to Canada. Especially, if the worse case type scenario that some DUers worry about occurs in the US, i.e. martial law, crackdowns on freedom of speech etc. I honestly don't think that Canada will be allowed to maintain its customary freedoms and to continue as a free and independent democracy sitting across the northern border of the US. The following paragraphs contain some speculation on my part, but I don't think in light of recent history, the ideas expressed are that outlandish or unrealistic.

Our military is a pipsqueak compared to the US armed forces. While in personnel terms they might be well trained and dedicated, in terms of equipment and numbers the Canadian military is not a force of any military significance in today's world. I read somewhere the NYPD had more police officers than the Canadian Armed Forces has combat troops, and our armed forces are becoming more closely integrated into a US led North American command as we speak.

Our business leaders and some politicians appear to believe that Canada's only hope for maintaining a reasonable standard of living is to get into bed as much as possible with the elephant next door in order to ensure no disruptions in our trading relationships and to do whatever might be requested of us to maintain and grow that trading relationship. Thank God Jean Chretien had the sense and the gumption to tell Bush to take a hike when it came to Iraq. We quite possibly won't have the option of opting out of a role in providing diplomatic fig leaves and cannon fodder for future PNAC type empire-building adventures.

I would imagine that if martial law was imposed on the US, Canada would be expected at the very least to go along with requests to extradite US "troublemakers" who fled here for sanctuary and/or to deport refugees fleeing the US back across the border into the US. I am quite sure there would be a crackdown on free speech here as well and any government that tried to stand up to US demands for closer cooperation in terms of customs/immigration, domestic (I refuse to use that Orwellian new-speak term "homeland") security would I am sure be removed from power either by manipulation of the electoral system or other more sinister methods if necessary. I could readily see US forces being stationed in Canada under the pretext of helping us to defend against "terrorists." And there is not much we could do about it.

Remember too we've got major oil reserves in the Alberta tar sands and also control over lots of water. There is no way the US will leave what they would denounce in their propaganda as an "unfriendly" and "anti-US" government in control of those critical resources.

[mouse7]

19. Nobody is pissed off at Canada. Stupid for them to consider it.

Canada has a good name in the world. Why in the hell would they want to ruin it attaching it to ours?

[Rex]

20. If they say no will Bush invade?

"You're either with us or against us, Canada." Scary shit.

[Iceburg]

21. Bush will invade but CDNs will defeat the infidel with an army of

comedians. Listen, there are several divisions of new comics at the Canadian border right now waiting to join the CIA (Comedians Infiltrating America). We already have taken command and control of SNL. Your operatives killed John Candy (our leader) with your burger and fries, and did I mentioned wearing mixed fabrics -- for that you will be punished with Dan Akcroyd (he's bringing back the Avro arrow!), Jim Carey, Martin Short, and the nasty Blues Brothers and others seeking more cash. America, you are going down -- laughing!