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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 11:21 AM
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Alex Salmond denies BP link to Lockerbie bomber release
Source: BBC News

Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond has again denied that the convicted Lockerbie bomber was released from prison because of pressure from BP.

He has challenged a US senator to provide evidence Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi was freed on economic grounds.

In a letter to Robert Menendez he said: "no-one has produced any evidence of such a link because there is none".

Mr Salmond also reiterated that Scottish ministers would not attend a US inquiry into last year's release.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-10842452
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 02:40 PM
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1. After BP already publically admitted to having a role in the release?
Has Salmond been hiding in an oil well for the past 2 weeks? :shrug:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 03:51 PM
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2. No BP has not.
Edited on Mon Aug-02-10 04:03 PM by dipsydoodle
The guy was released on medical grounds on which BP had no influence whatsoever. The fact it wasn't done using a Prisoner Transfer Agreement in which BP may have played a part is incidental because it didn't happen.

You should also acknowledge that nothing happened without the knowledge of the US government anyway.
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Denzil_DC Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 05:34 PM
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3. People need to understand a few things about UK politics
Scotland has its own judiciary, and independent devolved administrative powers over certain things. Currently, the Scottish Parliament is run by a coalition that doesn't include the Labour Party, with Salmond of the Scottish National Party as First Minister.

Labour and the Scottish Nationalists are long-time bitter mortal enemies, and this was never worse than with Gordon Brown in power as Prime Minister.

The idea that there could have been a behind-the-scenes deal between the Labour administration in London and the SNP-led administration in Scotland - the only way such a stitch-up could have come about - is just incredible. There is no way Brown could have trusted Salmond not to blow the whistle on a deal like that, especially with UK-wide elections in the offing.

Any US inquiries into the Prisoner Transfer Agreement and possible links with BP need to call on Blair to give evidence. After all, he was the one who met with Gadaffi in 2007, so he presumably knows what was discussed.

But as Dipsydoodle said, the PTA was not used to release Megrahi. The release was on compassionate grounds in strict accordance with Scots law, and the Labour government gave the SNP administration absolute hell over it at the time.

If there's anything deeper behind Megrahi's release, it's more likely because he had a second appeal coming up that would have revealed new evidence that he was not responsible for the bombing, and the fact that the US basically tampered grossly with the evidence and witnesses and framed him. That appeal did not proceed after he was released.
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SydneyDundee Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 07:59 PM
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8. Well put Denzil....this is still yet another naked attempt by Menendez to
.."look tough" and enhance his domestoic standing....thing is he is seriously pi**ing off a couple opf sane and friendly governments in the process (UK and Scotland). To think nothing of coming across as an arrogant bully, who shows no respect for other democratic and judicial authority...!
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Denzil_DC Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 08:37 PM
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9. I don't know what the real motivations are
but like a few of us on this thread, I do know that this Lockerbie/Megrahi issue has been widely covered outside the US, where there seems to be a media blackout.

I can sympathize with families wanting closure, and imagine the anger and disappointment on realizing that the wrong man was imprisoned (I'm not suggesting Megrahi was a saint since he was part of the Libyan security services, but that isn't in itself a crime) and the real culprits have gotten away with it. Dr. Jim Swire and others among the bereaved families have been fighting a brave battle for the truth ever since the atrocity happened, This could be devastating for many on both sides of the pond, both the public and politicians, if and when the truth came out.

Part of me would actually like to see Salmond give evidence in public, as he's a very smart cookie and a lawyer, and an excellent debater, and I think his cut-the-crap testimony would be as powerful as George Galloway's a few years ago, without some of the puff and bluster.

But having perverted the Scottish legal process so blatantly in the past, it's a damn cheek to then call on Scottish ministers to account for themselves over this issue.

Like I said, if anyone should answer questions about the PTA and BP and negotiations with Libya, it should be Tony Blair. The Scottish administration had nothing whatsoever to do with that - they weren't even in power at the time!
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SydneyDundee Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 08:59 PM
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10. I think you are probably right...if only they'd focus on Tony Bliar more
he's the one who signed a PTA with Libya
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 05:49 PM
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4. Release on medical grounds was the official cover story.
Edited on Mon Aug-02-10 05:50 PM by JohnyCanuck
More likely he was released on the grounds that if his planned appeal went ahead, the evidence would prove Megrahi had been the subject of a frameup and he was never guilty in the first place.


Megrahi was Framed
By John Pilger

snip

The American satirist Larry David once addressed a voluble crony as "a babbling brook of bullsh*t." Such eloquence summarizes the circus of Megrahi’s release.

No one in authority has had the guts to state the truth about the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 above the Scottish village of Lockerbie on 21 December 1988 in which 270 people were killed. The governments in England and Scotland in effect blackmailed Megrahi into dropping his appeal as a condition of his immediate release. Of course there were oil and arms deals under way with Libya; but had Megrahi proceeded with his appeal, some 600 pages of new and deliberately suppressed evidence would have set the seal on his innocence and given us more than a glimpse of how and why he was stitched up for the benefit of "strategic interests."

"The endgame came down to damage limitation," said the former CIA officer Robert Baer, who took part in the original investigation, "because the evidence amassed by (Megrahi's) appeal is explosive and extremely damning to the system of justice." New witnesses would show that it was impossible for Megrahi to have bought clothes that were found in the wreckage of the Pan Am aircraft – he was convicted on the word of a Maltese shopowner who claimed to have sold him the clothes, then gave a false description of him in 19 separate statements and even failed to recognize him in the courtroom.

The new evidence would have shown that a fragment of a circuit board and bomb timer, "discovered" in the Scottish countryside and said to have been in Megrahi’s suitcase, was probably a plant. A forensic scientist found no trace of an explosion on it. The new evidence would demonstrate the impossibility of the bomb beginning its journey in Malta before it was "transferred" through two airports undetected to Flight 103.

A "key secret witness" at the original trial, who claimed to have seen Megrahi and his co-accused al-Alim Khalifa Fahimah (who was acquitted) loading the bomb on to the plane at Frankfurt, was bribed by the US authorities holding him as a "protected witness." The defense exposed him as a CIA informer who stood to collect, on the Libyans’ conviction, up to $4m as a reward.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23425.htm


Following is from an article published in The Scotsman in August 2006 but no longer available on their web site:


A FORMER Scottish police chief has given lawyers a signed statement claiming that key evidence in the Lockerbie bombing trial was fabricated.

The retired officer - of assistant chief constable rank or higher - has testified that the CIA planted the tiny fragment of circuit board crucial in convicting a Libyan for the 1989 mass murder of 270 people.

The police chief, whose identity has not yet been revealed, gave the statement to lawyers representing Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi, currently serving a life sentence in Greenock Prison.

The evidence will form a crucial part of Megrahi's attempt to have a retrial ordered by the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission (SCCRC). The claims pose a potentially devastating threat to the reputation of the entire Scottish legal system.

snip

Following the trial, legal observers from around the world, including senior United Nations officials, expressed disquiet about the verdict and the conduct of the proceedings at Camp Zeist, Holland. Those doubts were first fuelled when internal documents emerged from the offices of the US Defence Intelligence Agency. Dated 1994, more than two years after the Libyans were identified to the world as the bombers, they still described the PFLP-GC as the Lockerbie bombers.

A source close to Megrahi's defence said: "Britain and the US were telling the world it was Libya, but in their private communications they acknowledged that they knew it was the PFLP-GC.

"The case is starting to unravel largely because when they wrote the script, they never expected to have to act it out. Nobody expected agreement for a trial to be reached, but it was, and in preparing a manufactured case, mistakes were made."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10012.htm
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Denzil_DC Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 06:00 PM
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5. Thanks for posting that.
And it's not just Pilger. Googling "Jim Swire" and "Hans Koechler" should bring up a slew of press stories about this, mainly from the UK, and Professor Robert Black, who was entrusted with setting up the first Lockerbie trial (though the arrangements ended up being a bastardization of Scots law), has an active blog about it here: http://lockerbiecase.blogspot.com/
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 06:28 PM
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6. You're welcome. Amazing isn't it....
that people will work themselves up into a lather about alleged BP skulduggery in having Megrahi released as a quid pro quo for an oil deal with Libya, apparently getting their cue from the mainstream media which relishes this opportunity to milk a controversy and gives this issue air play or column space.

At the same time, the MSM apparently intends to remain silent as the grave on the revelations that were going to come to light in Megrahi's appeal which were about to show he was most likely the subject of a frame-up by the CIA and suffered a miscarriage of justice in the first place. In stage magic it's all part of effective "sleight of hand", i.e. distract the audience with irrelevant patter and movements or gestures so that they never notice the real movements used to execute the trick which the magician wants to keep secret.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 06:40 PM
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7. That's right - let the hand deceive the eye
Keep everyone obsessed with the big bad wolf , BP in this case , and then more or at least equally important news will be ignored. Never fails to work.
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 09:28 PM
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11. From your own damn article "The company has confirmed it did press the UK government for a PTA with
"...Libya because it was aware that a delay might have "negative consequences" for UK commercial interests."

They can speak out of both sides of their mouths if they like, but you don't get to pretend BP didn't release statements CONFIRMING they had a part in the play.
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Denzil_DC Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 09:43 PM
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12. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the Megrahi release
Edited on Mon Aug-02-10 09:48 PM by Denzil_DC
since he was not released under the Prisoner Transfer Agreement.

Try reading some of the posts above.

Alternatively, read the article to the end:

A request to transfer him to a Libyan jail under the PTA was rejected by Mr MacAskill.


Mr. MacAskill is the Scottish Justice Secretary.
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SydneyDundee Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 03:44 AM
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14. UK Government had/has no authority over Scottish Judicial matters...Please read and connect the dots
:)
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SydneyDundee Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 12:04 AM
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13. Alex Salmond attacks senator for Megrahi deal 'insinuation'
Source: The Scotsman

THE transatlantic row over the Lockerbie bomber has intensified after Alex Salmond accused a US senator of attempting to "insinuate" a false link between his release and a lobbying campaign by BP, and US politicians claimed the Scottish investigations into the affair had been "limited".

He added: "It is difficult to envisage circumstances in which serving members of the US government would agree to appear as witnesses in hearings or inquiries held by the legislature of another country."

Mr Salmond reiterated his insistence there was no evidence of a link between the release and the prisoner transfer agreement, signed by the UK and Libyan governments shortly before BP reached an oil exploration deal with the African country.

"It was with concern I watched you attempt to insinuate such a link on BBC Newsnight on 30 July by citing a letter from Conservative Party peer Lord Trefgarne, the chair of the Libyan British Business Council, to justice secretary MacAskill last year," he wrote. "This was one of approximately one thousand representations received by the Scottish Government last year."

Read more: http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scotland/Alex-Salmond-attacks-senator-for.6452994.jp



....When will Menendez et al "get it"?
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