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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 12:31 PM
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Mass grave threatens Uribe's legacy
Source: Al Jazeera

Mass grave threatens Uribe's legacy

UPDATED ON:
Saturday, August 07, 2010
12:19 Mecca time, 09:19 GMT


Deep in the jungles of Colombia, a recently discovered mass grave is casting a shadow over the legacy of Alvaro Uribe, the country's outgoing president.

People in La Macarena say the military is responsible for the bodies buried there - up to 2,000 of them, according to human rights groups.

The Colombian military has been accused previously of killing thousands of poor young men and women to increase their body count during the conflict with the rebel Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (Farc).

Al Jazeera's Teresa Bo reports.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9ZhG3PRLPw&feature=player_embedded#!

Read more: http://english.aljazeera.net/video/20108781742314518.html



Related and incredibly ironic thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=4495220

Uribe's lawyer is like Godfather's Tom Hagen!

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 12:45 PM
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1. Uribe should be in The Hauge for his evil crimes.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 12:55 PM
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2. threatens Uribe's legacy ?
:rofl:
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:49 PM
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19. You don't know the new definition?
Threaten (v.) to define; to act as a basis for; to comprise in entirety.

You should really keep up with newspeak.
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Mnpaul Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 11:50 PM
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21. if you ask me
it reinforces his legacy
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 12:56 PM
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3. Uribe had a legacy to hide from and cover up.
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 01:13 PM
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4. As a reward for his crimes, Uribe received the "Presidential Medal of Freedom" from Bush.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 01:20 PM
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6. As did Paul Bremer, Paul Wolfowitz, George Tenet and Donald Rumsfeld
Buying silence: Bush awards Medal of Freedom to key figures in Iraq debacle

By Barry Grey
16 December 2004


President Bush’s awarding of the Presidential Medal of Freedom on Tuesday to three of the chief architects and executors of the Iraq war is an affront to the concept of freedom of Orwellian proportions.

The White House ceremony that saw Bush bestow the gold medallions on retired general Tommy Franks, former CIA Director George Tenet and former US administrator in Iraq L. Paul Bremer for their roles in an illegal war and brutal occupation that have killed 100,000 Iraqis and 1,300 US soldiers could not come as a shock to those who follow this administration with a degree of critical thought and are genuinely devoted to the principle of freedom. Many people throughout the world will react, appropriately, with revulsion.

The Medal of Freedom is the highest civilian honor bestowed in the name of the American people. The dispensation of the award for overtly political purposes is by no means unprecedented. President Lyndon B. Johnson, for example, in the final 24 hours of his presidency in January 1969, gave out 20 medals, including to McGeorge Bundy and Walt W. Rostow, two leading Vietnam War advisers.

Johnson, however, used the award to defend his war policies on the eve of leaving office in response to mounting popular opposition and growing conflicts within the US ruling elite fueled by the worsening military situation in Southeast Asia. The timing of Bush’s awards, and the individuals honored, are clearly meant to show that the military quagmire in Iraq, the continuing opposition within the American population, and the increasingly bitter divisions within the state apparatus—including the military itself—will not deter his administration from continuing its militaristic policy—not only in Iraq, but against future targets of US aggression.

The glaring contradiction between Bush’s praise for the three honorees and the disasters over which they presided—in Tenet’s case, within the US as well as in Iraq—points to an additional motive behind the awards. In the atmosphere of crisis and palace intrigue surrounding the Bush White House, the medals suggest a payoff to buy the silence of individuals in a position to tell tales that could prove highly damaging.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/dec2004/mofr-d16.shtml
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 01:57 PM
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8. No he didn't. Bush was merely advising him about dandruff.


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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 01:16 PM
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5. We need to demand that the State Department put Colombia on a terrorist list
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 01:56 PM
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7. Threatens Uribe's Legacy, Ma'am? Establishes It, Rather....
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 06:54 PM
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16. Indeed Sir, emblematic is what it is. nt
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 04:39 PM
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9. Fucking Chavez!
Wait...what?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 05:27 AM
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23. You said, in four words, what I've said about this matter, in thousands.
I salute you!

:bounce: :applause: :bounce:
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 05:48 AM
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24. Mr. Forkboy Has That Knack, Ma'am
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 04:59 PM
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10. Rec. Thanks for posting, IndianaGreen. nt
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 05:18 PM
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11. Such sad, sad details surrounding La Macarena, with children falling ill from drinking the water
contminated by the run off from the decay process of the bodies, most of them buried in the last few years.

It's such a nightmare it barely seems possible.

The people in the area are so afraid for their own safety they can barely be pressed to discuss it at all with outsiders, afraid they will be added to the heap if they do.

One woman who has given testimony in the court, and to tv cameras, a woman who has taken her life in her own hands says her own son disappeared, they were informed he had been killed. She had to beg in the streets for enough money to give her other son so he could take a bus with his friend to the site where they could find his dead brother to return him to his home town for proper burial. When he and his friend arrived they were shown the mass grave. There were no shovels available and he and his friend took a plastic bucket or something and took turns digging, and dug down, having to remove several bodies buried on top of him until they could remove the body, cover it, take it to their town and bury it again.

We just don't get stories like this unless WE do the work ourselves. We NEVER will be told what has been happening there by of our "civic-minded" journalists. Some of them have to live outside the STATES to get the real job done! In Colombia, their own journalists freely admit almost all of them self-censor for survival.

The others, like Hollman, have to travel with body guards, and keep bullet-proof cars for their family members, along with THEIR body guards.

Things may have been this bad in Argentina, Chile, Brazil, Paraguay, Bolivia, etc. at their dirtiest, bloodiest times when their fascists were in control with US support, but Colombia has some real problems which are studiously being denied by our own government which has chosen to swing and point to Colombia's neighbor, instead! Well, it figures.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 05:28 PM
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12. La Macarena is just one of the slaughters that Uribe, his successor Santos (former Defense Minister)
and the U.S. government ($7 BILLION in U.S. military aid to Colombia) are responsible for.

Frankly, I think the CIA is trying to focus attention on Uribe, as a sort of "false flag" operation. He was just the front man, nasty little war criminal that he is. Think Bush Jr. Santos is more dangerous than Uribe. Think Rumsfeld.

I think they're dumping Uribe, whom The Economist recently called "erratic," giving no reason, but the probable reason is that he apologized for the U.S./Colombia bombing/raid on Eduador, in March 2008, and some other instances of Uribe appearing to be torn and not following orders exactly. Santos is not "erratic." He's a sure bet for unapologetically doing whatever the Pentagon and the CIA want him to do, including trumping up a border incident as an excuse for Colombia to instigate a proxy war on Venezuela--a proxy war that could follow the escalation pattern of the Vietnam War. We now have 7 U.S. military bases in Colombia, and full diplomatic immunity for all U.S. soldiers and U.S. military 'contractors,' no matter what they do (or have done?) in Colombia. There are some 1,500 such people in Colombia--the same number used, as I recall, for U.S. military 'advisors' early in the Vietnam War. With this new, secretly negotiated U.S./Colombia military agreement, that number could already be higher. Any one of them gets involved in a real or trumped up border incident with Venezuela, and Oil War II is on.

As possibly his final payment for continued protection, Uribe, in his last week in office, formally accused Venezuela of 'harboring' FARC guerillas within Venezuela. Maybe this will win Uribe continued protection; maybe not. He has a lot of prosecutors and judges on his tail in Colombia. Some 70 of his closest political associates, including family members, are under investigation or have been prosecuted and are in jail for close ties to rightwing death squads, drug trafficking, bribery, fraud and other crimes. If the U.S. needs a "sacrifice" with which to shove the U.S. funded bloodbath in Colombia under the rug, that will be Uribe.

In the Ecuador incident, back in March 2008, the U.S./Colombia dropped ten 500 lb U.S. "smart bombs" on a FARC camp just inside Ecuador's border, to blow the FARC hostage negotiator to smithereens (along with 24 other sleeping people). Uribe subsequently apologized for this violation of international law and promised that Colombia would never do such a thing again. Santos, however--who was Defense Minister at the time--publicly stated that he would not hesitate to do it again. The Rumsfeldian forces within our government now have this "little Rumsfeld" in charge--and we're seeing CIA sources (such as the former head of USAID in Colombia, a few days ago in the Los Angeles Times), trying to pre-empt the increasing disclosures about the Colombian military's horrors and pushing the line that all this needs to be dealt with for their to be a New Day in Colombia with their new boy, Santos. This tells me that their former boy, Uribe, is going to take the rap. Not that he doesn't deserve to, but Santos and others in Colombia are equally guilty, and the ultimate perps, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld and assorted operatives, like U.S. ambassador to Colombia, Wm Brownfield (still in place; signed the secretly negotiated military agreement), and in the Pentagon, the CIA, the USAID and other places, won't be touched.

This is Uribe's "legacy"--to be the front man for Colombia's disgrace. Similar "legacy" to that of Bush Jr. But Uribe may not have been as "made" as he fancied himself to be. The Bush Junta and those behind them are more ruthless than the Mafia. They may abandon Uribe, no matter what services he performed, in the interest of another U.S. oil war, and/or "free trade for the rich"; or they may use that threat to enforce his silence (for he surely knows many things). He is expendable. Santos, I think, in angling for not being expendable, and he may succeed for a time. But there is no such thing as loyalty or altruism in this game. This is a game for ALL the marbles, everywhere--"The Project for a New American Century," which seems to still be the program within the bowels and dark places of our government.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 06:13 PM
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15. It's still there, PNAC is certainly there, the people are the same.They've even got some Iran/Contra
guys working in this hellacious operation, too. It's horrible knowing it's happening and not being able to "vote" against it, or get up a petition, etc. to slow it down or stop it.

http://www.voltairenet.org.nyud.net:8090/IMG/jpg/390-53-2.jpg http://www.theamericaspostes.com.nyud.net:8090/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/29486574-secretary-defense.jpg

http://justf.org.nyud.net:8090/files/images/gallery/Clinton_Santos.jpg
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 05:48 PM
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13. Is there any coverage of this outside of al-Jazeera...?
Not that I'm doubting it, but you know that most Americans would say "oh, the story is coming from the terrorist sympathizer network" :eyes: , and dismiss it automatically.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 06:03 PM
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14. You haven't seen the multiple threads posted here already in the last few months
on La Macarena's graveyard in Colombia?

The man who guided the European contigent to the area to observe it was murdered recently. That's how much importance it really has, how much the right-wing power structure in Colombia hates the publicity.

We have had many discussions of this subject here already.

Believe me, it doesn't all come from a "towel head enemy" source, by any means. It's simply deliberately not mentioned by our own filthy corporate media.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:32 PM
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18. Search La Macarena. A lot of people have covered it
but CNN will never headline it because it will hurt their bottom line. Ditto for the networks, Fox.
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:44 PM
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20. For those who are not totally familar with La Macarena



The vast majority of the people slain by the military and rightwing paramilitaries were killed between 2005 and 2009 and buried in unmarked graves outside the town named La Macarena.

For most of that time, the Defense Minister of Colombia was one Juan Manuel Santos, who commanded all the armed forces, including the Special Forces army base just outside La Macarena.

Today, that same Juan Manuel Santos was sworn in as the new president of Colombia.



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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 05:25 AM
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22. Here are the first sources I found on the La Macarena massacre.
There have been more since then. The silence on the subject, in the months following the CIPCOL revelations (first I read of it), was damned spooky. The CIPCOL site has links to a description of the USAID "pacification" program for the La Macarena region. You have to read between the lines of its cleansed, bureaucratic language, but basically the program went like this: The Colombian military would come through with a scorched earth policy, targeting the local community leadership--activists, human rights workers, trade unionists, advocates of the poor, as well as random poor people (murdering people merely to up their "body count" and terrorize the community); a team of USAID-trained Urbistas would swoop in (in helicopters) and appoint puppet leaders who would be loyal to Bogota; a residual police/military force would be left behind to enforce that loyalty; and the military would move on to the next "pacification" area--the excuse for all this being Colombia's 40+ year civil war between the have's (the rich elite) and armed leftist guerrillas.* Very like U.S. operations in Afghanistan.

The La Macarena massacre: recent mass grave discovered, containing up to 2,000 bodies whom local people say were local, 'disappeared' community activists, nearby to a U.S. military base; the graves have dates from 2005 to 2009, but no names; includes a description of, and links to docs about, USAID/Pentagon-designed military ops in La Macarena)
http://www.cipcol.org/?p=1303

The UK military connection
http://www.tribunemagazine.co.uk/2010/02/04/silence-on-british-army-link-to-colombian-mass-grave/

U.S. and Colombia Cover Up Atrocities Through Mass Graves, by Dan Kovalik 4/1/10
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-kovalik/us-colombia-cover-up-atro_b_521402.html

Colombia: Mass Grave Discovered In La Macarena
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1005/S00001.htm

The silence about this massacre in the corpo-fascist press, early on, and even on the internet (except for CIPCOL), was a red flag to me. There have been articles about the Colombian military's murders and the activities of the rightwing death squads in the NYT and other corporate sources. Not this. This story has just begun to break, and I suspect that the delay has to do with the CIA's need to control the story--to break it as part of a (false) narrative of change for the better in Colombia. The context of the killings points to possible U.S. military complicity, more directly than through $7 BILLION in U.S. funding of the Colombian military. The CIA may have needed to smother this aspect of the story. Most of Latin America is no longer obeisant to the U.S.. They take human rights seriously. And they have strongly objected to the secretly negotiated U.S./Colombia military agreement, which, among other things, grants total diplomatic immunity to all U.S. soldiers and U.S. military 'contractors' in Colombia, no matter what they do in Colombia. So, if it were to get out that U.S. troops were engaged in "turkey shoots" in Colombia, this would be very, very bad for the U.S. in countless ways. What is already known is bad enough.

Another red flag is the secrecy with which the U.S./Colombia military agreement was negotiated and signed (by the Bush Junta-appointed ambassador, Wm Brownfield, last year). It was kept secret from the Colombian legislature, the Colombian people and all the other leaders of Latin America (who were very pissed--they didn't even get courtesy calls, warning them of its announcement, on such a sensitive issue). And the argument used by U.S. spokespeople is that the agreement was no big deal--it merely confirmed existing arrangements. Why did they need this agreement IN WRITING, signed in secret by the pResident of Colombia? The main part of the agreement formalizes the U.S. military occupation of Colombia. That is the most dangerous part of the agreement. It provides the Pentagon cover for escalation of forces. But the immunity part--which I had just begun to think about seriously, when I happened upon the CIPCOL site--may be related to the delay in reports of the La Macarena massacre. It provides a legal argument for RETROACTIVE immunity for U.S. military personnel.

The flak that Uribe threw up, in his last weeks in office--accusing Venezuela of harboring FARC guerillas--was a third red flag. The charges are absurd. Colombia is the one who has destabilized the Colombia/Venezuela border. The "evidence" that Uribe's minions presented to the OAS is on the level of Colin Powell's "evidence" for WMDs in Iraq before the UN. Fabricated bullshit. So what was this all about? Merely more anti-Chavez psyops? Set up of the trigger for the U.S. proxy war against Venezuela (border incident, like the "Gulf of Tonkin")? Some kind of cover to distract from Uribe's many crimes, or payment to his puppetmasters for continued protection? It's not clear yet what Uribe's motives were--and those of his handlers--but it's possible one of them was to promote the notion that Venezuela is somehow responsible for the horrors in Colombia, which could be twisted round to justify the Bushwhacks going too far (authorizing U.S. military killings of Colombians)? If that were to come out, can't you just hear the rightwing liars in our press saying, 'But Venezuela supports the terrorists!'? (Thus, anything is justified, no matter how horrible, no matter how illegal, no matter how much "collateral damage" there is, no matter how egregiously unfair.) The corpo-fascist political narrative is never rational or fact-based. It plays with stereotypes and impressions. And it covers up corpo-fascist crimes with clouds of irrelevant points. Uribe's wild charges may have been a rightwing, coverup "talking point" in the making--for something just like this (U.S. military participation in this atrocity).

There is NO evidence that I know of, for direct U.S. military participation in this massacre. There are only red flags. And we may never know. We live under an "Iron Curtain" of disinformation and coverups and sweepings under the rug of enormous crimes by the Bush Junta. To figure things like this out, we need to pay attention to such red flags--how the news is handled, what flak stories are being thrown up, etc.--and learn to read between the lines. This is also important in trying to anticipate what our government may do in the future. This is not idle speculation. It is well-informed speculation, in an effort to understand the true policies of the U.S. and what they may mean for us and for others. We have a serious, ominous U.S. military buildup in Colombia and in an arc around Venezuela including its Caribbean oil coast. We have an Obama administration, esp. Hillary Clinton, with a desperate need for democracy cosmetics in Colombia, to get the U.S./Colombia "free trade for the rich" agreement through Congress. We are paying a $7 BILLION tab, in Colombia--for whom? For what? We have a bunch of heinous war criminals, here, running around free. That they may have authorized war crimes in Colombia as well, is not really speculation. It is a high probability. And, who knows?, maybe accountability for these war criminals will occur via a circuitous route through South America. In any case, we are not going to get the truth from our own government, nor of course from the corpo-fascist press. We have to figure it out for ourselves.

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*(For perspective, Amnesty International attributes 92% of the extrajudicial murders of trade unionists in Colombia to the Colombian military (about half) and its closely tied rightwing paramilitary death squads (the other half). Other stats are similar. The vast bulk of political murders in Colombia are committed by the state security forces, not by the leftist guerillas. Clearly what is going on here--as has occurred in many other countries under U.S. influence, in Latin America, in the past--is state terror and political cleansing, in situations where SOME people can't take it any more, arm themselves and fight back, and that is used as the excuse to punish and slaughter others who are merely exercising their human and civil rights. The poor are the majority, thus the poor and their advocates must be prevented from exercising their human and civil rights. Their deaths are not "collateral damage" in a just war. Their deaths--often in manners that defy description, they are so horrible--are quite literally intended to eliminate community leadership (the people who organize others to vote, who advocate for candidates and causes, who educate and lead the community in many ways) and to terrorize the survivors, in order to retain political control of the country for the rich elite, for the big, protected drug lords and--not incidentally--for Occidental Petroleum, Exxon Mobil, Monsanto, Chiquita and other multinational corporations.

(The Colombian military has also driven some 5 MILLION peasant farmers from their land--the second worse human displacement crisis on earth. About half a million poor Colombians have fled into Venezuela and Ecuador for refuge. That is another thing you don't hear about in the corpo-fascist press. Venezuela and Ecuador have decent governments that respect human rights and use resources to benefit the poor. That is WHY so many Colombians have sought refuge there. There is no flight the other way. No Venezuelans or Ecuadorans are fleeing to Colombia for refuge from the Chavez or Correa governments. The Colombian refugee problem places several burdens on these democracies--including the cost of humanitarian aid, and further destabilization of their border areas, which already suffer spillover violence from the Colombian civil war, the steady flow of cocaine out of Colombia, and other kinds of trafficking. Both of these countries have lots of oil, leftist governments and are Pentagon targets.)
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:10 PM
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17. Uribe's legacy is one of death and destruction of democracy
he is a monster - aided and abetted by the BFEE.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 07:31 AM
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25. "Mass Grave Destroys What's Left of Columbian Military's Credibility" seems more accurate
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