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SydneyDundee Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:24 PM
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Senators want Lockerbie man's data
Source: YAHOO NEWS

US senators have called on the Scottish government to release the Lockerbie bomber's full medical records. Skip related content
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In a letter to First Minister Alex Salmond, they also asked the Scottish government to release the names, medical training and specialisations of the doctors who examined Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi.

A Scottish Government spokesman said: "We have received the letter and will reply in due course. It was Dr Andrew Fraser, Director of Health and Care of the Scottish Prison Service, who concluded in his report to the Cabinet Secretary for Justice that his clinical assessment was that a three-month prognosis was a reasonable estimate. Dr Fraser is a professional of unimpeachable integrity."

Read more: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100810/tuk-senators-want-lockerbie-man-s-data-6323e80.html



...(sigh)....I guess it will take a good deal more time before the thicko senators "get it". No amount of bullying inquisition to the Scottish Government is going to advance their learning. I wonder if they had been really interested in seeking the truth, then perhaps a more diplomatic approach would have been better? ....just a thought.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:26 PM
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1. Dr Fraser is a professional of unimpeachable integrity
but his medical skills suck

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SydneyDundee Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:35 PM
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2. ...how so?
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:43 AM
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7. his clinical assessment was that a three-month prognosis was a reasonable estimate
I think 3 months have passed and the murderer is still alive
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:51 AM
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9. I think it's been over a year. They should throw his ass back in prison.
:nuke:
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:29 PM
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10. but he was traded for oil
doubt Libya would give him up

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SydneyDundee Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 05:31 PM
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11. ..as has been pointed out by many medical experts, guaranteeing the exact period isn't
isn't possible.....there is no doubt though that the man is dying and will die prematurely nfrom this illness - it will just take longer than expected.....still doesn't mean tha Dr Frazer's assessment was wrong or that hi9s medical opinion "sucks"...
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Lightning Count Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 05:46 PM
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12. How far do you have to be off before your medical qualifications are questioned?
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 05:46 PM by Lightning Count
6 months? 5 years? 20 years?
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SydneyDundee Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:57 PM
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14. I wouldn't question Dr Frazer's unless he had actually made an error...in this case he has not....
sorry, but this sort of life-end predictioning is ...erm unpredictable....it is usually expressed in dgerees of probablity allowing for a small variation of life-enders with this sort of prognosis to "buck the trend"...its not a question of Dr Frazer's quals...more a case of arrogant and stupid pedants in the senate that think they know better.
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Lightning Count Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:23 AM
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16. Odd
If the records are not released, how do you know if he did or did not make an error? We will probably still be debating this 10 years from now while the bomber is still alive and well in Libya.
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SydneyDundee Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 01:14 AM
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18. .....I think there's enough on here that take a counter view...
Edited on Fri Aug-13-10 01:15 AM by SydneyDundee
...i.e. without the reports and evidence, he MUST have made an error and is therefore incompetent etc (which is quite wrong IMHO)

I think the main point I would like to make though is that it would be highly unusual for any government or responsible authority to disclose personal medical details on any individual, even criminals, to any spurious or ad hoc request - these matters are usually only disclosed under very strict privacy arrangements and where judicially necessary -

therefore, the request from 4 individual Senetors, not the US Government, would be way to spurious...wouldn't you agree?
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cory777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:55 AM
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3. Senators seek Lockerbie bomber medical records
Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Four U.S. senators asked Scotland's government on Tuesday to release the Lockerbie bomber's medical records, saying that would help answer questions about his release on compassionate grounds.

The senators are probing the circumstances surrounding the release of Abdel Basset al-Megrahi, convicted of the deadly 1988 bombings of an airliner over Lockerbie, Scotland. Scottish authorities freed him last year, saying he had three months to live. He is still alive.

Most of the 270 people killed in the bombing were Americans, and Megrahi's release and triumphant homecoming in Libya provoked an outcry in the United States.

U.S. anger over the release resurfaced recently after suggestions British energy giant BP PLC had lobbied Scotland for Megrahi's release. BP and Scottish ministers have denied the accusations.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100810/pl_nm/us_britain_usa_lockerbie



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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:55 AM
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4. Good grief.
I wish members of the Senate would get all worked up about investigating Bush and Cheney before they take on the government of another country.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:51 AM
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5. Scotland to America: piss off
(they should be used to it- after all Republicans and their cronies have been doing it to them for years).
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SydneyDundee Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:50 PM
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15. ..or better still, can we see the Captain's qualifications and Log of events from the...
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 09:57 PM by SydneyDundee
USS Vincennes....


On 3 July 1988, Vincennes, under the command of Captain Will Rogers III, fired two radar-guided missiles and shot down an Iran Air Airbus A300 civilian airliner over the Strait of Hormuz, killing all 290 passengers on board. According to Captain Rogers, there had earlier been an attack on the Vincennes by Iranian motor boats. Crucially, the Vincennes then identified the Iranian Airbus as an attacking F-14 Tomcat fighter because of the plane's flight profile. Also, a radio warning had been sent to the aircraft on both military and civilian wavelengths.

However, the Iranian government has maintained that the Vincennes knowingly shot down the civilian aircraft.<1> Iran Air flight IR655 flew every day out of Bandar Abbas - a civil as well as military airport - on a scheduled passenger flight to Dubai using established air lanes. The Italian navy and another US warship, the frigate Sides, confirmed that the plane was climbing - not diving to attack - at the time of the missile strike. The US radio warnings were only broadcast on emergency radio frequencies, not air traffic control frequencies, so the Airbus crew could have misinterpreted the warnings as referring to another aircraft. Captain David Carlson of the USS Sides later said that the destruction of the airliner "marked the horrifying climax to Roger's aggressiveness".<2>

Not too keen to discuss this or indeed to be fully transparent with the detail leading up to the shocking incompetence of the commander.......
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 03:18 AM
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6. They have already said
that if US Senators , who have no standing outside of the USA anyway , have any evidence to demonstrate anything was awry here they should publish it. The Senators have yet to do so and so the ball remains in their court.

On the secondary issue of the prisoner transfer scheme , which was not used in this case , the UK government has already said it would hand over all information in their possession but there was doubt that the US would do likewise.
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Lightning Count Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 05:46 PM
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13. So refuse to provide evidence and then claim that no one can prove a thing?
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 05:48 PM by Lightning Count
The strategy is impeccable.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:50 AM
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8. That asshole was supposed to be dead by now. I feel cheated.
I lost a family member in the destruction of Pan Am flight 103.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:30 AM
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17. So take out your anger and lust for vengeance on your authorities ...
... rather than some jerk of a scapegoat who would have been released
had his appeal been heard (instead of the trade-off: his freedom for
the opportunity to hush-up the f*ck-ups).

I feel sorry for your loss but why not address the people responsible
for the issue? (cf. monkeys & organ-grinders)
:shrug:
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