Seven shot, four dead outside Buffalo restaurant in US

[demoleft]

Source: bbc

US police say four people have been shot dead and three injured outside a restaurant in Buffalo, New York.

The shooting took place outside the City Grill restaurant in the business district in the early hours of Saturday morning, police told the AP agency.

There was a wedding reception taking place at the restaurant, but it is unclear whether anyone from the party was involved, they say.

Three people died at the restaurant, and a fourth in hospital, they say.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10974807

[undeterred]

1. How very sad.

[Seedersandleechers]

2. "a formal dinner"

At the City Grill?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. Wimpy's was overbooked.

When (if) will we come to grips with our epidemic of gun violence?

Chicago has shoot outs every weekend. It is sickening.

[pipoman]

7. Gun violence nationally is at 30 year lows according to the FBI

Chicago gun violence is at a high and Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the US. I am always amazed when people dwell on "gun violence" and disregard violence in general.

[Paladin]

9. Why Don't You Ship That Little Factoid To The Survivors' Families?

Ought to really perk them up.....

(Sarcasm alert, for those who are always in need of one....)

[pipoman]

11. Uh, I wasn't aware that the survivor's families were here..

I was aware some inevitable knee jerking was occurring.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

10. uh huh . . . . . . and that means what?

Violence exists. Always has, always will. Humans have tempers, and sometimes lose them, particularly in family situations. But a gun is a force expander, and the consequences of guns & violence are far worse than unarmed acts.

[pipoman]

12. It means

that your assertion of some sort of "epidemic of gun violence", isn't.

[pipoman]

13. Oh

and to imply that a violent act without a gun is somehow "unarmed" is again erroneous.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

16. Which is why after banning guns for so long, in the UK they are now going after knives

Clue: Its not the tools, its the users

[customerserviceguy]

20. The problem with the last part of that is

Even if we could magically take away 100% of firearms (and do so without creating a totalitarian means of doing so) you would still have a weaponized society. Human beings now have access to all sorts of things that we didn't have when living in caves, that we're not going to get rid of.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

23. agreed, there are no easy solutions.

And our ability to harm others has grown by leaps and bounds, while our capacity for rational behavior is now marked by Tea Baggers, GOP congresscritters, and religious dolts who call for banning mosques because they are offended.

[CreekDog]

35. you can't mow down 31 people with a freaking knife

to think gun advocates chide me for not thinking logically. :banghead:

[X_Digger]

39. No, but you can kill children..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35995544/ns/world_news-asiapacific

BEIJING — A former medical worker stabbed to death eight young children and wounded five others Tuesday in a bloody rampage outside an elementary school in eastern China, authorities said.

The attacker struck in the morning as students arrived for classes, mingling with parents at the school gates before suddenly pulling out his knife and slashing children, according to witnesses interviewed on local television.

In the aftermath, doctors treated small children and bodies lay covered in bloody sheets after the attack at Nanping City Experimental Elementary School in Fujian province. Police officers manned a cordon around the school. Some comforted distraught parents.

This is the fourth or fifth attack on school children this year in China.

[Pavulon]

45. How many did that guy they just arrest stab to death? get a new issue

two supreme court cases make this one dead. At this point it is like arguing against brown vs board of education or roe v wade. You can still make a case to deprive people's rights, just not all that popular.

[rrneck]

47. Yeah, only pikers use guns.

[PavePusher]

55. There are lots of arms (weapons) that are not guns. n/t

[CreekDog]

34. when gun advocates stop acting like the real tragedy in these events is potential gun control

:eyes:

[pipoman]

41. How about when the knee jerkers

start advocating the outlaw of cars or beer with every DUI accident....yep, you're right, that would be idiotic...:eyes:

[CreekDog]

42. because we don't try torestrict every single thing used to cause harm

doesn't mean that it's a bad idea in every case.

or would you like your own home nuclear device? after all, we aren't going to outlaw beer because of DUI's, therefore, we simply CANNOT outlaw home nuclear weapons.

following your logic is simply not logical.

[X_Digger]

43. How about we outlaw false dilemnas?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

[pipoman]

50. *snick* "not logical", huh? This is exceedingly simple..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._Chicago

The lines are drawn, maybe you just don't like the location?

[CreekDog]

52. you've hijacked a thread about four people getting shot and killed

because whatever happens in the world, it's obvious your guns are more important than all that.

:eyes:

bye

:hi:

[pipoman]

53. Uh, no, that was done in post #3,

the post which started this sub-thread..the post you shamelessly approved of..

[pipoman]

54. Hmmm,

actually on second look, it appears your very own post #34 was completely a political position attack with no mention of the victims who now you act as though you give a tiny shit about, what a joker you are..

[slackmaster]

15. At 2:30 AM. I wonder if alcohol played a part in this event.

:argh:

[Fumesucker]

21. I was photographer at a wedding reception a year or so ago..

It devolved into a major fracas involving fisticuffs and someone thrown through a plate glass window.

Alcohol definitely played a part in the violence.

[cliffordu]

22. We're still waiting for the photos you promised.

The bride is furious.

[Fumesucker]

29. The bride has been divorced for a while now..

Likewise the groom.

I think the reception was a touch of foreshadowing.

[slackmaster]

30. Did the bride and groom smash cake in each others' faces?

My uncle Harry told me that usually means the marriage will be over in less than a year.

[slackmaster]

25. That sounds more like a melee than a fracas

Or was it actually a ruckus?

What are you trying to hide from us?

[Fumesucker]

28. Everybody's got something to hide..

Except me and my monkey.

[Pavulon]

4. How sad for the families..

I wonder what the motive was?

[druidity33]

5. source is the BBC?

weird that it's not an American news source reporting this... yet.

nevermind... found links...


apparently, the groom was killed. :(


http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/Seven-Shot-Four-Killed-in-Downtown-Buffalo-Shooting-100678859.html

[orbitalman]

6. Yes, the English newspapers are far more aggressive...

than American papers, in my view.
:puffpiece:

[pipoman]

8. Your link is dead...

http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/Eight-Shot-Four-Killed-in-Downtown-Buffalo-Shooting.html

[Uncle Joe]

31. It says sorry, the page I'm looking for cannot be found on your link? n/t

[sce56]

14. Among the dead was a Texas man who witnesses say arrived in Buffalo on Friday and was the Groom

The call came it at 2:30 a.m. from the 200 block of Main Street where as many as 100 people were attending a pre-wedding party at City Grill restaurant.

Three bodies could be seen at various locations on the block. Five other victims were rushed to local hospitals...where one was pronounced dead on arrival.

Of the four survivors, one is in very critical condition, Buffalo Police Spokeman Michael DeGeorge said.

Among the dead was a Texas man who witnesses say arrived in Buffalo on Friday and was going to be married on Saturday. One of the deceased is female, police officials confirmed.

Those who attended the party told Eyewitness News that it was a formal affair to celebrate a wedding, which was scheduled to take place on Saturday afternoon.

[FarCenter]

17. Rehersal dinner gone bad

[slackmaster]

27. Yes, and it's not that unusual. Weddings are dangerous. I'm surprised that gay people want...

...to get into all of that crap.

:sarcasm:

[Bitwit1234]

18. I still believe allowing people to carry concealed weapons is

leading to this. If the gun was not present, someone drinking or anger turned loose could have been stopped from performing his/her rage.

[TheWraith]

19. And you would be mistaken.

Someone legally carrying concealed is two thirds less likely to shoot someone than is a random person on the street. And one third less likely than a police officer.

Banning concealed carry has never prevented people from carrying weapons, it only insures that they aren't being carried by people who obey the law, which is redundant.

[melm00se]

24. ny has some strict

pistol laws (3 tiers, each more difficult than the last - the final tier allows unrestricted concealed carry...damn near impossible to get)

[slackmaster]

26. It's not clear from this story that anyone involved was legally carrying a concealed weapon

Just a data point - No state that issues concealed weapons permits, including New York, allows people to carry weapons while consuming alcohol.

New York is one of just a handful of states that have not adopted purely objective criteria for issuing concealed firearm permits, BTW.

Taking a wild guess here: I won't be surprised if it turns out that two or more of the participants in the shootout have gang affiliations.

[joshcryer]

40. I would be inclined to agree, the fact that the shooter left the establishment...

...suggests to me that he withdrew from the establishment to obtain a weapon to inact revenge on those who were "disrespecting him." He'll sit in jail for life for this action.

[Pavulon]

44. Minorities can't get a ccw in ny state. its may issue

meaning you must be able to pay a bribe (via a lawyer) or connected politically. That would probably be a pretty short list of non white people... So odds are you can chalk this up to regular old drug - domestic - whatever CRIMINAL activity was behind this.

[PavePusher]

56. Do you have evidence that the shooting was done by a legal carrier?

If not, your comment is waaaaay of base.

Please do not equate legal carriers with criminals, unless you have evidence to support your assertion.

[Uncle Joe]

32. I wonder if this is related to organized crime?

Has this been reported by the U.S. corporate media or just the BBC?

Thanks for the thread, demoleft.

[slackmaster]

33. The New York Times has reported it

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/15/nyregion/15buffalo.html

[Uncle Joe]

36. Thanks for the link, slackmaster

Having read that column, I disagree with the witness statement of someone just shooting randomly as the groom was killed in a party of 100 people, it seems to me the odds are, he was targeted.

Four more victims, all men, were wounded in the 2:30 a.m. shooting outside the City Grill on Main Street, said Michael DeGeorge, a spokesman for the Buffalo Police Department. The party, involving more than 100 people, was held to celebrate a wedding that took place last year, the authorities said. The groom was one of those killed, the police said.



"I don’t know what happened,” Ms. Martin said. “Somebody was just shooting randomly. She got hit and her cousin got hit, and both of them died.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/15/nyregion/15buffalo.html?_r=1

[slackmaster]

37. The fact that the four dead are all men makes me doubt that it was completely random

I'd expect the gender balance at that kind of event to be just about even.

[Uncle Joe]

38. That's the way I first read it as well but then after rereading it,

the four men were just wounded, apparently there were some women killed.

Four more victims, all men, were wounded in the 2:30 a.m. shooting outside the City Grill on Main Street, said Michael DeGeorge, a spokesman for the Buffalo Police Department. The party, involving more than 100 people, was held to celebrate a wedding that took place last year, the authorities said. The groom was one of those killed, the police said.

(snip)

“I don’t know what happened,” Ms. Martin said. “Somebody was just shooting randomly. She got hit and her cousin got hit, and both of them died.”

[Blandocyte]

46. Total Ban Now, Sort Out Details Later

Mr. and Ms. America, turn 'em in!

[Pavulon]

48. Good luck, jesus will open for the grateful dead at the garden

before any person even elected to office even suggests that in a coatroom in the senate. never going to happen, ever.

find a new meme this one is quite dead.

[rrneck]

49. Well,

that'll go over like a turd in a punchbowl.

But the sig line really makes that post work.

:rofl:

[X_Digger]

51. Thanks, I needed a laugh.

You sure you're not in this crowd?

[PavePusher]

57. Are you volunteering to help collect them?

Or do you intend to send hired goon minions, presumably... armed?

I love the smell of hot irony in the morning.