Report: Doctors not consulted over sick Lockerbie bomber's release

[Elmore Furth]

Source: MSNBC

Four doctors who treated the Lockerbie bomber for cancer were not consulted over his release from a Scottish prison on compassionate grounds, according to a report.

However, ahead of the first anniversary of the Libyan's release Friday, The Sunday Times newspaper in the U.K. said that none of the four cancer specialists had been asked about his release.

It was Fraser, who has been described as a "professional of unimpeachable integrity" by the Scottish government, who decided Megrahi had terminal prostate cancer and could die in three months.

"I was surprised when I heard he was being released, because I wasn't really asked for my opinion ... it's a bit odd," Latif told the newspaper.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38710895/ns/world_news-europe/

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Everything about this case is 'a bit odd.'

[madrchsod]

1. bp owns england and bribes the usa....

there`s nothing odd about bp

[dipsydoodle]

3. unrelated issue

.

[Ruby the Liberal]

4. How so?

Libyan oil rights weren't involved in your opinion?

[dipsydoodle]

7. They were associated

with the Prisoner Transfer Agreement which wasn't used.

[MikeW]

2. this whole thing is starting to stink

[Xithras]

30. Oh, this entire case has "stunk" for a long time.

The case against al-Megrahi was extremely shaky from the get-go, with allegations of fabricated evidence and political motives behind the whole thing. Two "terrorists" were brought to trial. One was set free after he was able to prove that he was in SWEDEN at the time and couldn't have been involved. The other was convicted on the word of a Maltese shopkeeper who was later described by the prosecutor as being "an apple short of a picnic" (his exact words).

Over the past two years there has been an escalating political war over the British government's refusal to hand over important documents that would allegedly clear al-Megrahi's name. Members of the British government had started openly calling him a political prisoner and the victim of a gross miscarriage of justice. In August 2009 his lawyers, in conjunction with a Scottish MP, claimed to have come into possession of documents that clearly exposed the governments fraud, and promised to release the documents to the public "within weeks" that would expose the truth of Lockerbie. On August 4 the Justice Secretary came to visit him in prison. On August 12, al-Megrahi's lawyers dropped their appeal of his conviction.

Seven days later, on August 19, he was released from prison on "compassionate" grounds. The documents were never released.

It's reasonable to assume that al-Megrahi was a patsy, and he had evidence to prove it. He was released on compassionate grounds and spirited out of the country in an attempt to make the problem go away with as little embarassment as possible.

[Pavulon]

5. If he is not dead in 3 months some assistance may be required

a precise application of high explosives may be in order.

[frylock]

15. hopefully some of your spook buddies will get er done..

right?

[Pavulon]

19. His old ticker may just give out..

or he may loose all his hair and croak from eating thorium.. Who known, but he has it coming.

[depakid]

20. Can't let anything stand in the way of that insatiable lust for a pound of flesh

Can we?

[Pavulon]

21. Well i dont put on knee pads for mass murders..

he could have lived a happy life in his cell, he want to play in the real world well potassium levels must be watched..

[depakid]

23. This from a poster who uses a death penalty drug as his screen name...

[Pavulon]

26. ER drug.

but being ignorant is not a crime.

[slackmaster]

6. Every breath that asshole takes is an insult to the victims of Pan Am 103 and their families

Which includes me.

[Nihil]

24. Only if you're dumb enough to believe the US media without question.

Open your eyes and you will find the correct target for your hatred.
:shrug:

[slackmaster]

28. Stay classy

:nuke:

[Nihil]

31. See .9, .14, .30 on this thread (plus entire DU threads fwiw)

e.g.,
>> A former Scottish police chief has given lawyers a signed statement claiming
>> that key evidence in the Lockerbie bombing trial was fabricated.
>>
>> The retired officer - of assistant chief constable rank or higher - has
>> testified that the CIA planted the tiny fragment of circuit board crucial
>> in convicting a Libyan for the 1989 mass murder of 270 people.
>>
>> The officer, who was a member of the Association of Chief Police Officers
>> Scotland, is supporting earlier claims by a former CIA agent that his bosses
>> "wrote the script" to incriminate Libya.

The evidence is there, all you need to do is read it and understand it.
:shrug:


> Stay classy
> :nuke:

I'm not the one with the "problem".
I suggest you take your own advice.

[slackmaster]

32. If the convicted bomber had been granted another trial, I'd give that crap more consideration

He wasn't, and was released on FAKE compassionate medical grounds, so your "information" is all just conspiracy theory to me.

Where is the justice for the innocent people who were killed on that flight, and on the ground?

BTW, regarding your statement:

I'm not the one with the "problem".

I didn't say you had a problem. I just think your posts are insensitive and rude. Please don't misquote me.

[Nihil]

33. "Please don't misquote me."

>> I'm not the one with the "problem".
>
> I didn't say you had a problem.

I didn't claim that you had done so. "Please don't misquote me" :-)

I could have simply said "pointless, never-ending, bloodlust for vengeance"
or many other appropriate alternatives but thought it politer to use "problem".
Sorry for the confusion.


> I just think your posts are insensitive and rude.

"Insensitive" is a possibility (though not one I'd have thought you'd
have any difficulty with given the speed at which you responded with
"that crap" & the "all just conspiracy theory to me" dismissals of the
facts that don't fit your fictional reconstruction).


> Where is the justice for the innocent people who were killed on that flight,
> and on the ground?

In the same place that it is for every innocent person who is killed for no
good reason ("collateral damage") and whose death is subsequently covered up
for political reasons.

I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't be angry about the deaths.

I'm angry about a whole slew of innocent victims who have never received
justice of any sort (and who have even less chance of getting it than any
of the Lockerbie victims).

I *am* just suggesting that you find a more appropriate target for your anger
than the first patsy that could be stitched up by your security services,
even after the truth became widely available (at least outside the US).

That is no more "insensitive & rude" than the repeated cursing of a stranger
and the demands for his blood, as if that would somehow sate your hunger for
yet more violence to be wreaked upon people unfortunate enough to be in the
wrong place at the wrong time.
:shrug:

[slackmaster]

34. Please pack up your tinfoil body suit and post your nonsense where people might care

The convicted bomber remains a convicted bomber until a court of law says otherwise.

That man MURDERED a member of my family, along with hundreds of other innocent people.

"Insensitive" is a possibility (though not one I'd have thought you'd
have any difficulty with given the speed at which you responded with
"that crap" & the "all just conspiracy theory to me" dismissals of the
facts that don't fit your fictional reconstruction).

The rumors and hearsay you have posted don't carry the same weight as the facts that were determined in a court of law.

[Nihil]

35. Please pack up your ridiculous bloodlust and post it where people might care.

Try the guns forum or maybe I/P ... they go for blind, ignorant hatred there.


> That man MURDERED a member of my family, along with hundreds of other
> innocent people.

Bullshit.

That man was FRAMED for the murder of a lot of people - many of whom are
fighting for his freedom!


> The rumors and hearsay you have posted don't carry the same weight as the facts
> that were determined in a court of law.

Funny how bias affects your appreciation of objective justice isn't it?

The love of lynch-mobs is certainly alive & kicking in you.

[slackmaster]

36. He was convicted in a court of law

You've got nothing.

[Name removed]

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[slackmaster]

41. All I want is for the convicted mass-murder to serve the sentence he was given

He was given a life sentence, therefore he should die in prison. I will not take anyone's word that his conviction was incorrect unless that conviction is vacated by a competent court of law.

What's wrong with that?

[Name removed]

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[Nihil]

48. All you want is blood - anyone's blood - to satisfy your lust for vengeance.

Your failure to recognise injustice is "what's wrong with that".

[Name removed]

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[rfranklin]

8. Actually, Khadaffi is the responsible one and...

a "bad man," but for some strange reason we have not invaded his country to implement "regime change." I wonder why?

[Wilms]

9. Also odd is so many DUers unaware that the FBI withheld evidence that suggests the guy is innocent.

And countless posters try to educate.

Doubts Persist About Lockerbie Evidence

http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/locevd.htm


Search engines are your friends, MSM not so much.

[peacetalksforall]

10. What impactful and true words. "Search engines are your friends, MSM not so much."

I would like to see all short quick sentences like yours assembled in one place. Sentences that say everything about our new, up-side-down existence in this world under the upper class today.

Assembled with the three word one -

The truth hurts.

[MikeW]

11. yes becuase we all know everything thats posted on the internet is true

:rofl:

[peacetalksforall]

12. That's not the point. What is the point is that we have to work to get to

the truth - WE have to form it. We have to find peices, analyze them, seek everything, plue other opinions and takes, seek out expertise, source it for ourselves, request or maybe beg for more information, search memories and ask others to search theirs, share, group think perhaps, then file it some way because where there is a theory there may be some truth and the friends to coalesce it all a little or a lot - later. The emphasis is always on gathering and analyzing and formulating - because only a few are doing it for us and everyone who is doing it on behalf of or paid by corporations and their conglomeration are not giving us the truth except in certain instances.

We dig for truth - to dispell the propaganda.

I hope you see the subtleties I am referring to which I have used in my own search for truth in this lying world of our in the U.S. of Professional Lying and Liars. Otherwise called PROP A GANDA.

I don't thank you for ridiculing me. I do thank you for reading these words, if you will. Reading and rethinking.

We are the news detectives and we work all the time at sorting lies from truth nuggets and making precious light bulbs.

[JohnyCanuck]

16. I would reword your sentence just slightly to read:

yes because we all know everything that's presented to us by the government and the corporately controlled, mainstream media is true. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Into the Buzzsaw: Leading Journalists Expose the Myth of a Free Press

BUZZFLASH REVIEWS

Do we have a "free press" or just the illusion of one?

After reading the much awaited revised and expanded "Into the Buzzsaw: Leading Journalists Expose the Myth of a Free Press," you'll have all the information you need -- from journalists themselves -- that theoretically we have the ability to have a free press. The problem, however, is that the most powerful sectors of the media -- television, radio and newspapers -- act more like the old Soviet self-censoring press than a media that reports on the truth necessary to engage in the public discourse necessary to a democracy.

The phrase "into the buzzsaw" is a journalistic expression for how stories eventually become censored or altered to the point that they reflect an official viewpoint, rather than the facts or investigative findings that expose possible deceptions in the "official viewpoint." After a time, only the most intrepid journalist will take on the powers that be, because they know that their careers (and high salaries) will suffer the wrath of General Electric (owner of NBC), Viacom (owner of CBS), Disney (owner of ABC), Time Warner (owner of CNN), Rupert Murdoch (owner of FOX NEWS), etc., etc. Not to mention news writers for papers like the Washington Post and New York Times, who have yet to do one serious long-term investigative piece on the chronic lying and misdeeds of the Bush Administration between them. Whatever their editorial policies, they hold their news writers on a very short leash, only allowing the occasional revelation of Bush deception or misdeeds, without continued follow-up and a sustained effort at providing news context.

Basically, nearly the entire American mainstream media has gone into the buzzsaw. And in this book, the likes of Dan Rather, Ashleigh Banfield, Greg Palast and media reform advocate Robert McChesney are among the many who have spoken out about the demise of journalism as a medium seeking the truth behind the official governmental version of the news.

Kristina Borjesson, editor of this courageous, book was an award winning producer at CNN, CBS, and PBS, before she ran into the buzzsaw with her investigative reporting on the mysterious "disintegration" of TWA Flight 800 while flying off of Long Island. She got canned for providing potential proof of a "conspiracy theory," the term used to dismiss theories at odds with official government policies or "findings." Are some conspiracy theories whacko? Sure. But many government findings are conspiracy theories or deceptions, just wrapped in official documents. Isn't it the role of the press to look at alternative evidence to government pronouncements? Apparently not.

http://www.buzzflash.com/reviews/05/rev05032.html

It might also be beneficial for those who are quick to accept anything that comes from government or mainstream media sources to read my sig line below and click on the link.

[dipsydoodle]

13. There are many such links which point to the truth

Thanks for posting that one.

What was at risk was a retrial at which it is considered he'd have been found innocent anyway. Judgement declaring the original trial a mis-trial had only been delayed due to one of the judges being sick. If the prisoner exchange had gone ahead it was expected of him that he would sign to void a retrial. In the event due to way he was released he didn't need to sign. The US had agreed to his release but hadn't realised he leave Scotland within hours of being released - the plane already was waiting at the airport.

[JohnyCanuck]

14. John Pilger was a bit more blunt about it.

Lockerbie: Megrahi Was Framed

By John Pilger

snip

The American satirist Larry David once addressed a voluble crony as "a babbling brook of bullsh*t." Such eloquence summarizes the circus of Megrahi’s release.

No one in authority has had the guts to state the truth about the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 above the Scottish village of Lockerbie on 21 December 1988 in which 270 people were killed. The governments in England and Scotland in effect blackmailed Megrahi into dropping his appeal as a condition of his immediate release. Of course there were oil and arms deals under way with Libya; but had Megrahi proceeded with his appeal, some 600 pages of new and deliberately suppressed evidence would have set the seal on his innocence and given us more than a glimpse of how and why he was stitched up for the benefit of "strategic interests."

"The endgame came down to damage limitation," said the former CIA officer Robert Baer, who took part in the original investigation, "because the evidence amassed by appeal is explosive and extremely damning to the system of justice." New witnesses would show that it was impossible for Megrahi to have bought clothes that were found in the wreckage of the Pan Am aircraft – he was convicted on the word of a Maltese shopowner who claimed to have sold him the clothes, then gave a false description of him in 19 separate statements and even failed to recognize him in the courtroom.

The new evidence would have shown that a fragment of a circuit board and bomb timer, "discovered" in the Scottish countryside and said to have been in Megrahi’s suitcase, was probably a plant. A forensic scientist found no trace of an explosion on it. The new evidence would demonstrate the impossibility of the bomb beginning its journey in Malta before it was "transferred" through two airports undetected to Flight 103.

A "key secret witness" at the original trial, who claimed to have seen Megrahi and his co-accused al-Alim Khalifa Fahimah (who was acquitted) loading the bomb on to the plane at Frankfurt, was bribed by the US authorities holding him as a "protected witness." The defense exposed him as a CIA informer who stood to collect, on the Libyans’ conviction, up to $4m as a reward.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23425.htm


Police chief- Lockerbie evidence was faked

A FORMER Scottish police chief has given lawyers a signed statement claiming that key evidence in the Lockerbie bombing trial was fabricated.

The retired officer - of assistant chief constable rank or higher - has testified that the CIA planted the tiny fragment of circuit board crucial in convicting a Libyan for the 1989 mass murder of 270 people.

snip

The evidence will form a crucial part of Megrahi's attempt to have a retrial ordered by the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission (SCCRC). The claims pose a potentially devastating threat to the reputation of the entire Scottish legal system.

The officer, who was a member of the Association of Chief Police Officers Scotland, is supporting earlier claims by a former CIA agent that his bosses "wrote the script" to incriminate Libya.

http://news.scotsman.com/lockerbie/Police-chief-Lockerbie-evidence-was.2656485.jp

[Wilms]

18. Yep.

I wanted to wake the sleepers, though. Now you've gone and startled them! :D

:hi:

[JohnyCanuck]

22. Many of them will probably just sit up

long enough to go, "Umm what was that? Must have been a bad dream." Then they'll roll over and go back to sleep again :boring:.
:hi:

[SemperEadem]

17. doctors seem not to be consulted about a lot of things these days. n/t

[Odin2005]

25. This whole thing stinks to high heaven!

And it's funny how Qaddafi became a "good guy" suddenly a few years ago when 25 years ago St. Ronnie was saying he was TEH EVUL!!! :eyes:

[Romulox]

27. So...Megrahi was framed, but instead of another trial, we'll fake a medical release?

And DU's usual mouth-breathers will defend this, on the grounds that it is a finger in the eye of the US. :shrug:

[Nihil]

29. I'm disgusted too and would much rather have had his appeal heard ...

... so that the cover-up (and frame-up) would be recognised but the powers
that be decided that a medical release (regardless of how "genuine" it was)
was preferable to having all that dirty washing aired in public - especially
as so many Americans still believe that their countrymen were victims of
"a Libyan terrorist" ...

Not sure who your ad-hom "DU's usual mouth-breathers will defend this"
was aimed at but, ironically, doing the right thing (i.e., justice rather than
cover-up) would provide a f*cking sight bigger "finger in the eye of the US".
Guess your snarkiness wasn't allowing for that?

Why did you think some Libyan nobody was stitched up in the first place?

:shrug:

"Oh! what a tangled web we weave; When first we practise to deceive!"

[Romulox]

39. So...Scotland falsfied a medical release...to spare our feelings?

It's not credible.

Not sure who your ad-hom "DU's usual mouth-breathers will defend this"
was aimed at but, ironically, doing the right thing (i.e., justice rather than
cover-up) would provide a f*cking sight bigger "finger in the eye of the US".
Guess your snarkiness wasn't allowing for that?

I'm sure I don't know what you mean. If you argue that the current lie is "for the greater good", then surely the previous liars can argue the same.

[Nihil]

42. Scotland doesn't care about *your* feelings ...

... hell, the number that does can probably be counted on the thumbs of one hand ...

The "medical release" was delivered purely to avoid the diplomatic pissing-match
that you see on most of these threads - namely between the majority of ignorant
Americans who still believe that there was some evidence to convict him and the
rest of the world whose eyes are open to the facts - except when the noses of said
Americans are rubbed into the puddle of piss that their oh-so-holy CIA dumped on
the floor, they will be forcibly awakened to a reality that they have desperately
been trying to avoid for decades: they are a nation of dumb sheep who have been
misled by a succession of powerful players and instead of living the legend in
"the land of the free" (and other such children's fables), they have been actively
supporting some of the most corrupt, cruel and greedy individuals in recent history.

Hence the usual response: distraction & denial.

[Romulox]

46. The UK was a party to every step of the old lie, as well as the new lie...

Your self-righteousness is therefore comical. If there was a farce trial, it was staged by Scotland. :hi:

"they have been actively supporting some of the most corrupt, cruel and greedy individuals in recent history."

And lying at our feet? Britain. :hi:

[Nihil]

47. Do you think I didn't know that?

> The UK was a party to every step of the old lie, as well as the new lie...

That is no revelation to me or to anyone outside of your peculiar world-view.
It doesn't mean I agree with it - the opposite in fact - nor does it mean that
the old lie is not worth examining in the clear light of day, regardless of
what political pain is felt by individuals on either side of the Atlantic.


> Your self-righteousness is therefore comical.

No more so than your ignorance.


> If there was a farce trial, it was staged by Scotland.

Correct - Scotland aided & amply abetted by both England & America.

That first "trial" was a sham, a farce indeed, that is nothing but a disgrace
to the concept of justice.

Your strawman is burning away in the fierce heat of truth without having
achieved even the slightest deflection.

[Romulox]

49. So then, all your "Americans can't handle the truth!" invective was mere projection?

:shrug:

No more so than your ignorance.

Ignorance of WHAT precisely? You are so addicted to finger-waggling that haven't waited for a proper excuse to finger waggle. :hi:

Your strawman is burning away in the fierce heat of truth without having achieved even the slightest deflection.

You haven't used the term "stawman" correctly here. And WHAT am I "deflecting" from? You make little sense--it's all British nationalism and anger from you. :hi:

[dipsydoodle]

37. Unassociated

Megrahi was framed and if nothing else had occured he'd have got a new trial.

Aside from that it was considered that in a Scottish prison , with their medical care , his life expectancy was about 3 months. He was released on compasionate grounds. Its thought that it is the care he receives in Libya that has increased his life expectancy. The appears no doubt that he has terminal prostate cancer.

[Romulox]

38. Um, it means Scotland is STILL lying about this matter, among other things.

For Brits to wax self-righteous about this is therefore a farce.

Aside from that it was considered that in a Scottish prison , with their medical care , his life expectancy was about 3 months. He was released on compasionate grounds. Its thought that it is the care he receives in Libya that has increased his life expectancy.

Um, this is self-evidentally untrue. It's called a "pretextual reason"--i.e. a phony one. :hi:

[dipsydoodle]

44. In which case

there wouldn't have been much point in Alex Salmond going to the USA given I wrote his own words word for word.

btw - please don't think I give a shit about this issue because I don't. I'm simply amused at the thought of any US Senator thinking they have power outside of the USA where they have no merit or standing.

:hi: