Robin Carnahan, Missouri Senate Candidate, Wants Bush Tax Cuts Extended For Wealthy

[midnight]

Source: Huffington Post


Breaking from the president and the majority of her party, Robin Carnahan, the Democratic Senate candidate in Missouri, announced on Thursday that she supports extending the Bush tax cuts for all recipients, including the wealthy.

In an appearance before the state fair in Sedalia, Missouri, Carnahan stressed that "now not the time to raise taxes" for members of any income class. Tony Messenger, a reporter with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, was at the fair and tweeted the news. A Carnahan campaign aide confirmed the Secretary of State's position to the Huffington Post.

In announcing her support for a full extension of the Bush tax cuts -- which are set to expire this year -- Carnahan creates conspicuous distance between herself and many of the national Democrats she's hoping to join. President Obama, for one, has pushed for an extension of the cuts for those making below $200,000. Individuals earning more than that or families in an income bracket above $250,000 would see their tax rates revert to previous levels under the president's plan. With some exceptions, this position has been echoed by Democrats on the Hill, who argue that the budget would take a major blow if the tax cuts for the wealthy are extended.

On the campaign trail, it appears, the argument is a bit harder to make. Carnahan isn't the first Democratic Senate candidate to call for an extension of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/19/robin-carnahan-missouri-s_1_n_687527.html

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I hope the Democrates, in the Show me state, show this women the door.

[Freddie Stubbs]

1. Show her the door? She's the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE

You were prefer Roy Blunt in the Senate?

[pattmarty]

21. Well then, this is the PERFECT example of "bad & worse" as far as.................

........our "two" party system goes. If there is a Green running (and there are more and more) vote for the Green.

[midnight]

41. It seems that the choose is a republican or one who advocates

like one.

[Lost4words]

2. I grew up outside of St Louis, havent been back since 1973!

[Seedersandleechers]

19. I currently live in Kansas City

But, I am moving to the UK in 10 days. Doubt I will come back to Missouri ever!

[Lightning Count]

20. Sweet!

How did you manage that???

[Seedersandleechers]

30. a great and

wonderful friend who saw my need to go somewhere else, offered me permanent residence in their home. Plus I took an early retirement and won't take any jobs away from anyone in the UK. I'll be there to spend money and travel.

[Lightning Count]

33. Ah, that's my problem.

Wherever I go I will have to work :).

[dflprincess]

50. Will you be able to use the NHS? n/t

[pattmarty]

22. Good luck!!!! AND, I don't mean that in a sarcastic way.

[Seedersandleechers]

31. Thank you

I'll be back to visit my son in NYC, and parents in Florida.

[Lost4words]

53. Good Luck to you my friend

:hi:

[midnight]

42. I was there around that time for what was the only six flags

in the midwest.

[KansDem]

3. Why?

Has anyone who supports extending Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy explained why they believe it's the right thing to do?

It can't be to stimulate the economy, it can't be to create jobs; it can't be to reduce the deficit...

So why extend Bush's tax cuts? :shrug:

[JDPriestly]

13. Instead of calling them tax cuts, why don't we call them what they are -- tax bonuses for the rich?

[Kelvin Mace]

27. or government tax subsidies

[Judi Lynn]

37. Accurate, excellent idea. n/t

[midnight]

46. That is exactly what they are.

[JDPriestly]

16. You are right.

If those tax cuts stimulated our economy, we would have noticed it by now. They certainly are not stimulating the economy. Government spending, the stimulus, did stimulate the economy -- while it lasted. We have the proof. We have seen what works and what does not work.

The tax cuts have not stimulated the economy. Low interest rates and government stimulus spending did. When the government stimulus money began to peter out, the economy started tanking again. There just isn't enough enthusiasm in the private sector to stimulate the economy no matter how much money the private sector has in its grubby little hands.

Private investors are not choosing to invest in America. Face it. The rich are pouting. They are on strike when it comes to investing in America. They are telling Americans "my way or the highway." You either let us rich folks run everything or we will not invest in you. It's pretty obvious that the middle class is willing to work, but the rich are not willing to invest their money.

The U.S. government should do what is in the interests of the majority of Americans, and the rich are not the majority.

The question is how do we remain a capitalist society when capitalists are on strike?

[pattmarty]

25. I'm just guessing here, but maybe to repay her wealthy donors?

:sarcasm:

[bonnieS]

4. My liberal Dem Congressman

is "open" to it for a couple of years.

We have lost this one, ladies and gents. ( Who knows what Obama really wants, either?)

[elleng]

5. 'Really wants?'

Does anyone know what anyone else 'really wants?'

Pretty simple, imo: We CAN'T afford to continue tax breaks for the wealthy, Prez O knows this, and so do many/most Dems.

[bonnieS]

7. in that he often

takes public stands on things he does not support and then gives up right away. I don't know what he is telling my Congressman privately, because my Congressman adores him, and would never vote against his wishes. My Congressman is telling constituents things he never ever said before and is now , as I said before, no longer against the tax breaks for the rich. He is also not firmly against revising Social Security anymore, either, so that may be where they get the money. No privatizing, just cutting. The elderly rewarding the rich for their goodness in being the rich. That is what I meant.

[JDPriestly]

17. What state are you in bonnieS?

I'm wondering whether we have the same congressman.

[bonnieS]

52. sorry I did not catch this before

I can't say right now, but I'll let you know at a future date.

[No Elephants]

15. We'll soon see.

[Robbins]

8. Reality

If It isn't let expired this year they will become permeant.Democrats are playing right Into Republicans hands here.

[bonnieS]

10. I totally agree with that

but they seem to like to do that.

[JDPriestly]

18. I will never forget the time that Obama said on Friday afternoon

to a webcast of those of us who worked for him in the election, that he supported the public option, when, in fact, we later learned that he had pretty much given up on it before he told us he supported it. That was the last time I have really trusted Obama. What a double-cross.

You know, he has never really explained why he could not persuade Democrats in Congress to back a public option. I don't think he ever really tried even though he told his supporters very specifically that he supported it. The Audacity of Hope -- Audacity maybe but hope for what? Big bucks from big donors? That's the reality of it.

[midnight]

43. Really? We sure have been hoodwinked into thinking

there is a crisis of such great proportion that we can't fund health care, education, or progress.

[Robbins]

6. Wow

As a Missouri Democrat exactly why should I vote for her?She Is not giving Democrats In ST Louis and Kansas City much reason to come
out and vote for her.roy Blunt Is already ahead and talk like this just depresses Democrats.

Exactly what good had all these tax cuts of Bush's done?We tried Tax cuts for the wealthy and deregulation and see what good did Id do?

Plus letting the Bush Tax cuts expire was part of the Obama economic plan.Dems like her are going to help Republicans against Obama
In 2012 because of saying he raised the defict.

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. Show her the door so Blunt can be senator???

Good grief.

[Kelvin Mace]

28. She has just handed him the election

It kind if destroys your street cred that you are fighting for the working poor and middle class when you hand over fistfulls of cash to the top 1%.

Missouri is now officially a lost cause.

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. I doubt that

Chances are good that NOT supporting the Bush tax cuts would kill her chances in MO.

[cbdo2007]

36. I agree - I'm a Missouri voter and I was very disappointed to hear this.

She literally did just hand him the election with this. She was already struggling because she has never been ready to put up a fight against Blunt, who is a WAshington insider and should have been easy to beat this year.

RIP Carnahan campaign. There really is no reason for me to vote at all in November now.

[midnight]

44. Good grief but I surely can't tell the difference.

[Dr.Phool]

11. Is Jean her mother?

She voted for the original tax cut, and it only got her defeated in the next election.

Show her the door. She's obviously incompetent, and everything that's wrong with the party.

[Judi Lynn]

38. Yup, and the father Governor Mel Carnahan who was killed immediately before being elected

as Missouri's senator to replace the wildly odd Republican Senator John Ashcroft.

Her father was a beloved Democrat, would never have done this, and it's hard to imagine her mother doing it, ever. Sad.

[Dr.Phool]

39. His former Chief of Staff, Roy Temple was one of our teachers at Camp Wellstone.

He apologized for beating Ashcroft with a dead man. "I didn't think they'd make him Attorney General".

[Judi Lynn]

40. Oh, who WOULD expect a dirty maneuver like that? We should have been prepared for it, as we learned

the hard way!

Ashcroft was/is a nightmare, and we're all so lucky he's out of politics, knock on wood.

Camp Wellstone? What a wonderful idea. I had to look it up, and check the website. So glad you mentioned it:
http://www.wellstone.org/our-programs/camp-wellstone

[Art_from_Ark]

47. In the case of Democrats, sometimes the apple DOES fall far from the tree

as least as far as Senators are concerned

Evan Bayh is nothing at all like his father Birch Bayh
Mark Pryor is nothing at all like his father David Pryor
And apparently Robin Carnahan is nothing at all like her father Mel Carnahan

[JDPriestly]

12. Horrors! How did she manage to get the nomination?

Did Obama help her? Sounds like someone he would back even though he claims to favor letting the tax bonuses for the rich die a natural death.

[Dr.Phool]

23. Another member of a establishment family that feels they're entitled.

[No Elephants]

26. I'll tale a wild guess.....

"{Mel} Carnahan was born in Birch Tree, Missouri. His father was A. S. J. Carnahan, who served eight terms in the United States House of Representatives as the Representative from Missouri's 8th congressional district. His only sibling, Robert Carnahan, was president of the Missouri Association of Realtors.

Carnahan graduated from high school in Washington, D.C., and earned a Bachelor of Arts in business administration from George Washington University. He entered the United States Air Force, rising ultimately to first lieutenant, and served as a special agent for the Office of Special Investigation. He received a J.D. from the University of Missouri School of Law in Columbia, Missouri, in 1959.

Carnahan married Jean Carpenter in Washington, D.C. on June 12, 1954. They had four children: Russ Carnahan, a member of the United States House of Representatives; Tom Carnahan, founder of Wind Capital Group which builds wind farms; Robin Carnahan, who was elected in 2004 as Missouri Secretary of State; and Roger "Randy" Carnahan, who piloted the plane and perished in the same crash that killed his father."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Carnahan


I'm amazed anyone actually ran against her in the cDemocratic Primary, but two did. I think she got about 83% of the vote. Maybe she didn't mention this in the primary, either (or it wouldn't be making news now?).

[Freddie Stubbs]

29. No credible candidates ran against her

[No Elephants]

14. Political suicide, IMO.

She could have made this a populist--and popular--issue, one that would have given voters a reason to vote for her instead of Blount. Instead, she's assuming she has to be Pub Lite 'cause it's Missouri.

Democrats need to do better at messaging. Instead, they just do worse at being Democrats.

Or maybe other posters are right. Maybe the fix is already in and she knows it. Nothing surprises me anymore. Saddens me, yes. Surprises, no.

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. MO is a strange state

It could be this was the smartest thing for her to do politically. She's down in the polls and the gap between her and Blunt just keeps getting bigger.

The teabaggers also have a huge presence in MO. They have a radio show in St Louis. The state just rejected the health care bill with a 70% majority vote.

Robin's brother is a congressman in the St Louis area. The teabaggers burned him in effigy and just this week his office was set on fire.

It could be that Robin thinks it's politically necessary for her to support the Bush tax cuts. Like I said, MO is a strange state politically.

[midnight]

45. You might have a point about her desperation. Good lord,

they are burning office buildings of our elected officials. Last May, teabaggers in West Allis Wisconsin burned a statue of Obama after getting good and liquored up. But I still expect our Dem. leaders to communication and educate her voters with facts, and not continuing with the tax policies that are causing great economic disparities.

[Kelvin Mace]

24. Just lost the election

Give the voters a choice between a faux Republican and the real thing, they will pick the real thing every time.

[Suji to Seoul]

34. "Show me" a Democratic loss with that comment

Good job, moron!

[TheDebbieDee]

48. "Show this women the door."

It's too late, she's the nominee. The repuke in this race is Cong. Mel "Bad Toupee" Blunt.

It looks like we Dems in Missouri have to work to get our version of Blanche Lincoln or Mary Landrieu elected!

[w4rma]

49. Wow. Did Rahm pick her DLC advisers? She sounds unexperienced. (nt)

[unkachuck]

51. "now not the time to raise taxes" for members of any income class.

....Dear Ms. Carnahan, so, you are what passes for a Dem Senatorial candidate in the great state of Missouri....let's not hear you talk about balancing the budget or long-term deficits while you're giving away the treasury to the rich, ok?

....corporatists like you need to realize one thing, progressives know there will never be any worse governance than the last repug congress and the executive chimp (the price paid by the most wealthy had reached its maximum)....

....so, if there's little or no difference between a corporatist like you and the chimps of the world, where is our incentive? (incentive: a capitalist term meaning, 'start sucking this')

[classysassy]

54. Some politicians

will say anything to get elected.A conservative democrat is better than any republican.

[pstokely]

55. Carnahan bucks party to support extension of Bush’s tax cuts. Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/

Source: KC Star

At the governor’s annual Ham Breakfast at the Missouri State Fair in Sedalia on Thursday, Senate hopeful Robin Carnahan gave voters something to chew on besides their bacon.

The Democrat shocked some by announcing that she was going against leaders of her own party by backing an indefinite extension of tax cuts made when George W. Bush was president.

“Now is not the time to raise taxes,” Carnahan said.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/19/2161767/carnahan-bucks-party-to-support.html#ixzz0x9Pp4HzH


Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/19/2161767/carnahan-bucks-party-to-support.html

[babylonsister]

56. Jeeze. Who contributes to her coffers? Inquiring minds... nt

[Dr.Phool]

60. The same people she wants to extend the tax cuts for.

If she saves them lots of money, they'll have a percentage for her commission. Or tip.

[babylonsister]

61. That was my point; so much for 'the little people'. nt

[OnlinePoker]

73. As of March, $4.3 million from individuals and $780k from PACs

Most PAC money is from traditional Democratic sources, Labor being the main.

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/campaigns/robin_carnahan.asp?cycle=10

[SpiralHawk]

57. What's up with the 'raise taxes' bullshit?

Anyone who knows this issue knows that AWOL Bush and Republicons gave a special tax break to fat cats for years. Now the 'special' treatment -- the special break for fat cats -- is ending.

Boo frikkin hoo. It is not a tax raise. It is a return toward fairness.

[OnlinePoker]

74. Do you support the Bush tax cuts to the poor?

They expire at the same time.

[Frisbee]

58. Mel would not have approved. n/t

[Dr.Phool]

59. Well Carnahan, you're unfit for the Senate.

Too bad your opponent is a complete douche bag.

[Sherman A1]

76. Agreed

Excuse me while I go :banghead: at the great options we have here for Senate in Missouri.

[iamthebandfanman]

62. moron. n/t

[onehandle]

63. Now is the time to return to the FDR tax structure.

A lot of FDR things, actually.

[Hulk]

64. That's ONE candidate I won't be supporting....

Enough said.

[pstokely]

67. If don't you live in a state with Senate race, don't send your $ here

Only give if you're in MO, Otherwise send it to places with a progressive Dem in the race,

[lobodons]

65. Great!! Whatever it takes!! WE need Carnahan in the Senate.

She is not running in California or New York. She is running in the middle of dipshit USA. You can't imagine how many low information voters live here.

[jsamuel]

71. poll: 69% support letting Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire

it isn't only her party she is going against here.

[jsamuel]

72. link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=417339&mesg_id=417417

[pstokely]

66. The Blunt Crime Family makes her look good

nt

[bulloney]

68. It's not RAISING taxes, idiot! It's allowing the taxes to return to their original rates.

This is kind of like having your neighbor borrow your hedge trimmer and he keeps them for several months. When you ask him to return the trimmer, he offers to sell it back to you.

[Roland99]

69. yeah...and what a PAINFUL return it will be! My gawd!!

I mean, any *taxable* income over $250,000 will be taxed an additional 3-3.5%!! OMG!!! OH NO!!! AAAIIIIEEEEEE!!!!11!!11!!1!!!!1!!!

[Sherman A1]

70. Gee, we have such a "great" choice in Missouri

this season. :banghead:

[Sherman A1]

75. With Democrats like this

We really don't need Republicans.

[jmowreader]

77. If I was running against Roy Blunt, I'd say the same thing

If she would have said she was all for continuing the tax cuts for everyone except Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and Rush Limbaugh, all of whom can afford the increase, there'd be a commercial out from the Blunt campaign: "Call Jean Carnahan at 1-800-555-1212 and ask her why she wants to raise your taxes."

So...what else does she have?