Franklin Graham: 'President's Problem Is That He Was Born A Muslim' (He 'Carries The Seed Of Islam')

[kpete]

Source: Talking Points Memo

Franklin Graham: 'President's Problem Is That He Was Born A Muslim' (VIDEO)
Eric Kleefeld | August 20, 2010, 9:38AM


Franklin Graham, the Christian evangelist and son of Billy Graham, offered an explanation for the suspicions that some people have about President Obama's religion, during an appearance Thursday night on CNN.

"I think the president's problem is that he was born a Muslim, his father was a Muslim. The seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother. He was born a Muslim, his father gave him an Islamic name," Graham told John King. "Now it's obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed and he has renounced Islam and he has accepted Jesus Christ. That's what he says he has done, I cannot say that he hasn't. So I just have to believe that the president is what he has said."

For the record, Obama's father was Barack Hussein Obama, who gave the future president his own name. President Obama has written that his father, who he rarely ever saw, was raised a Muslim but was in practice an atheist.

Read more: http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/franklin-graham-i-think-the-presidents-problem-is-that-he-was-born-a-muslim-video.php?ref=fpa

[monmouth]

1. Oh Franklin, shut up!....n/t

[indepat]

75. Yeah, is it something like maybe the problem with Franklin is that he was born?

:P

[saigon68]

127. He's a Fucking hateful Fundy NUT JOB

[bemildred]

2. Jeebus what a bigoted fool. nt

[chimpymustgo]

4. You said it. "What a bigoted FOOL".

[Kolesar]

3. Then, Billy passed the "seed" of bigotry and racism to Franklin

This creep made a lot of nasty remarks about Muslims in the last decade

[alfredo]

108. No, that seed was from Ms Graham's gardener.

[eShirl]

5. RELIGION IS GENETIC!!!11

OMFG111

[alfredo]

109. It's the herding instinct, you know, like cows and sheep.

[kestrel91316]

6. Jesus wept. What insanity.....

[ensho]

7. Franklin carries the 'seed' of ignorance

nt

[TroglodyteScholar]

87. +1 n/t

[Gormy Cuss]

8. And CNN gave this clown a national audience to spread his nonsense. n/t

[Pirate Smile]

13. John King is the asshole who invited this jackass on. Anyone with a brain knew he was going to spew

garbage like this.

Disgusting.

[MadMaddie]

95. John King

prodded Grahm with stupid ass questions he shouldn't have asked. John said "I shouldn't ask this but........"

I turned it.

[Raschel]

54. Oh boy the baggers are gonna love this.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

9. And let me guess. The asshole "reporter" just sat there and nodded. nt

[flakey_foont]

10. new depths of stupidity

assholiness is a bottomless pit

[semillama]

11. Graham's problem is that he was born an asshole, apparently

It's not the President's problem that his father was nominally a Muslim. It's the problem of bigoted right-wingers who are looking for anything to latch onto that will put any veneer over their poorly concealed racism.

[47of74]

120. Totally

[PfcHammer]

12. Say wut? WTF is this shite?

:wtf: :crazy: :think: :mad: :puke: :eyes:

:rofl: :spray:

[pattmarty]

14. Why in the fuck do these so called news organizations continue..........

.........to push and give credence to all these RW LIES? Can't we just get the facts and the unvarnished stories? This, like the NYC Mosque is a fucking non-story. I am not a big fan of Obama ANYMORE, but for fuck's sake, this is a fucking LIE, not news.

[dmallind]

15. I find it strange

that someone who has made millions exploiting religious converts thinks religion is passed on like a chromosome

[yellowcanine]

16. Frank Graham is biologically illiterate as well as theologically illiterate.

There is no such thing as the "seed of Islam", "seed of Judaism" or the "seed of Christianity"

What has this bigot been smoking?

[Gormy Cuss]

25. If there were such a thing, proselytizing would be a waste of effort

and Graham would be out of a job.

[AsahinaKimi]

17. My my my...

Things have sure changed. Why are all these wackos given a voice on CNN?

[and-justice-for-all]

18. What a damn liar and a bigot...nt

[Jeneral2885]

19. Sigh....

Americans preach accpetance, freedom democracy to other countries but bakc home some of them act worse than dictators.

[COLGATE4]

20. Franklin's problem

is that the seed of religious fanaticism passed from Graham Sr. to Junior.

[asjr]

21. My mind is not as good as it once was, but,

am I being paranoid, forgetful or downright crazy, did the SCOTUS sometime last year or the year before say that the media could lie? That it is alright to lie over the airwaves. Why else are people like F. Graham able to say those things. It is people like him that give the Christian religion a really bad name. If a pastor or evangelist can say things like that and get by with it what on earth can we do about it? If we do not rebuke him for it he will only concoct other lies and tell them.

[tblue37]

124. Actually, yes, FOX News got the SC to sign on to the

notion that they actually have the right to present lies as news.

[wookie72]

22. Franklin, I really miss your Dad

Of course, he kept his own bigotry private, but he wasn't nearly as big an asshole as his son.

[AlbertCat]

45. I really miss your Dad

"but he wasn't nearly as big an asshole as his son."

Are you nuts? Yes he was.... worse! Because he hid is bigoted dumbfuckery behind a MASK of compassion and acceptance... while he raked in the bucks from those who thought they were guilty and little old ladies afraid of dying. What a sneaky, slimy hypocritical charlatan Billy was! His son is just too stupid to play the game well. So much for Christian education!

Good riddance to both of them.

[wookie72]

48. Agree to disagree

TO his credit, BIlly never had any sex scandals or obnoxious TV shows.

My favourite is still Jimmy Swaggart. Don't agree with a thing he said, but the guy could really wail..

[oldhippydude]

52. i still remember in Billy in 1968

in that family weekly (sunday supplement), supporting the Vietnam war, on the basis of Godless communism.. i have avoided the Grahams since that time.. he has however been the demagogue of choice for generations.. i gritted my teeth every time i saw him with a president.. The man sure knows how to manipulate the faith industry for fame and profit..

[jberryhill]

23. Every Person Is Born An Atheist

I have yet to see babies practicing any religion.

[NICO9000]

58. That's a great point!

Wow, such an obvious truth staring me right in the face. Religious insanity is clearly passed down from generation to generation to the detriment of the entire world. Boy, you really can learn something new every day!

:thumbsup:

Comments like Graham's make me proud to be an atheist. I was raised Catholic, but never really believed in it and just went through the motions to please my parents as I suspect most kids do. The minute I was able to stop going to church, I headed for the exit. I only go into any church or temple for weddings or funerals.

Sadly, I can only see this country going further down the road of believing in a non-existent sky god. I think we're destined to end up like the Muslim extremists who sacrifice themselves to get their 72 virgins. The worse things get in the U.S., the more I think religion will rise since life here will be even more shitty than it already is and people will be satisfied to wait for their heavenly reward when they're dead.

Very sad.

[kwassa]

89. Did the baby tell you it was an atheist?

Then how did you arrive at this conclusion, as they can't articulate their thoughts on the subject, or any other?

[boppers]

91. Children worship Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and God.

As they get older, they stop worshiping made-up deities, one by one.

Some adults still want to believe in the Tooth Fairy, of course, as the loss of their belief is too hard for them to handle. And by Tooth Fairy, I mean Santa Claus, or whatever absurd deity they can't let go of.

[kwassa]

96. you better talk to jberryhill about this.

[jberryhill]

103. Hey I'm going to the dentist next week

And may have to have an extraction.

There better be a tooth fairy, because I told the dentist I'd pay him the day after....

[jberryhill]

102. Well, then at what age do they stop believing whatever it is

...and pick up one of the adult religions?

Obviously, it must have been difficult for those Christian babies in the New World before the arrival of Europeans (with the exception of ones who were born Mormon of course)

[aquart]

24. Clearly Billy Graham's seed wasn't the good stuff.

[msanthrope]

44. There's a quote from Full Metal Jacket that applies to Franklin--

"It looks to me like the best part of you ran down the crack of your mama's ass and ended up as a brown stain on the mattress."

[colinday]

26. Genetic religion?

The seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother.

What if a Jewish woman and a Muslim man have a baby?

[classof56]

76. Now there's an excellent question! I'll eagerly await Franklin's answer.

And colinday, welcome to DU!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

27. OMG

I wonder how he feels about the seed of adultery being passed into him from his father?
Did he renounce his father and pledge to not let that seed of evil drive him to the same?

"That's what he says he has done, I cannot say that he hasn't. So I just have to believe that the president is what he has said."

That's what Graham says he has done, I cannot say that he hasn't. So I just have to believe that he is what he has said.

[boppers]

92. He believes in a god of adultery.

In his faith, god impregnated a woman (Mary) who was married to somebody else.

[No Elephants]

98. No. She was single when she became pregnant. Joseph, who was supposedly much older,

married her after the fact.

[boppers]

105. Matthew 1:18

I will agree that interpretations of this vary.

[dflprincess]

123. If she was already married they couldn't have claimed it was a virgin birth

Where was Maury Povich when we really needed him?

[Patsy Stone]

28. So, let's say for argument's sake that he's right.

(I know, I know...) What he's telling people is that even if you accept Jesus Christ and follow his teachings, in his mind you are still identified as whatever you were before, and not really a Christian now?

Franklin, you'd better watch out. You won't be able to get all those people to donate their life savings to you anymore if you show your true feelings on converts vs. "pure" Christians.

[Raschel]

57. Graham to someone who comes up to accept Christ: "That's what you say you have done, I cannot say

that you haven't. So I just have to believe that you are what you have said."

[Patsy Stone]

78. Isn't that big of him?

What a gigantic hypocrite.

[bowens43]

29. I find Christian 'leaders' absolutely disgusting...... nt

[Raschel]

59. I find 'Christian' leaders absolutely disgusting...

[LaurenG]

30. ***

I need off this planet, I don't belong here. :cry:

[ehrnst]

31. Yeah it's all about the "seed" with these men, isn't it? The sacred sperm...

Because the sperm is what makes you.

Yep, Barak's mother had NO importance WHATSOEVER in the boy's development or upbringing...

[msanthrope]

55. Monty Python post excuse....

Every Sperm is Sacred...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

[Xenotime]

79. Exactly. The RW puts to much empahsis on the man and his abilities.

When it is the mother who raises the children.

[Turborama]

32. John King's choice of guests is telling. BTW "the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother"

What does that even mean? I've never heard that phrase before.

[boppers]

93. Think of a "seed" as an embryo.

While it's easy to be confused by western minds thinking seed = sperm, an actual plant seed is more akin to a fertilized egg, an embryo.

Some traditions consider the mother's contributions greater, some consider the father's contributions greater. In Judaism, the child of a Jewish mother and a Gentile father is considered "more Jewish" than the child of a Jewish father and a Gentile mother.

[Turborama]

104. Thanks

It helps clarify the concept. So does that mean Jewish societies are therefore more Maternalistic?

[boppers]

106. Well, as with all Maternal/Paternal situations, it's not simple.

To look at it with a rather coarse eye, 2,000 years ago, you couldn't always tell who the father was, but it was pretty easy to determine who the mother was. Thus, maternity often rules over bloodline.... but bloodline was not the same as inheritance of power or legacy, which, in many societies, followed paternal lines, regardless of (and sometimes in spite of) bloodlines.

[tblue37]

125. The reason why the child of a Jewish mother is Jewish is that so many Jewish

women were raped during progroms and other acts of violence and oppression against the Jews. This rule welcomed the children of those rapes into the religious community.

[Jefferson23]

33. Doesn't look as though this smear campaign is ever going to end.

I love the carefully chosen words here, " it's obvious that the president renounced the prophet Mohammed and Islam and has accepted
Jesus Christ.....that's what he says he has done.....so I just have to believe the president is what he has said."

Nasty bullshit implications he casts intentionally imo.


On some level Obama's mother saw the light and dropped Mohammed and Islam because they are evil..they needed to be renounced. Yet, Obama
does have this damn seed problem, so don't forget that folks! So Obama does say he isn't Muslim, because that would be just wrong if he were,
but his saying it may or may not be true!

Franklin Graham is a sleaze.

[DeSwiss]

34. And Franklin Graham carries the seed of idiocy. n/t

[ladywnch]

35. Son of a B***** this quote is like those threads we used to have here from time to time,,,

..."I don't have proof that Rush Limbaugh has sex with young children. I can't say for sure that he takes long trips to various countries to have sex with young boys, but I don't have any proof that he doesn't either." Remember all those threads...????

I mean SOB!!!! The whole point of this statement is to stir up the teabaggers again.....there is no other reason to make a comment like this.....Franklin Graham is a political whore like his old man is/was. This is strictly character assassination by religious inference. I don't give a flying rat's ass whether Obama is Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or atheist...WHO CARES?!!!

Franklin Graham needs to shove a bible in his mouth and STFU about that which he knows NOTHING about - which appears to be quite a lot.

I wonder how much Boner and company are paying him for his comments.

[Raschel]

61. "The whole point of this statement is to stir up the teabaggers again."

I agree and posted the same above before I read this post.

[Rod85]

36. The man has fear I guess

We are one of the world's largest muslim nations. We have all religions. Clearly the Christians are afraid. What I don't understand is what are they afraid of? This is no longer a purely Christian nation and they need to get over it already. It's the 21st Century, get with the times Franklin Graham.

[pansypoo53219]

37. franklin is no billy.

what a turd.

[unblock]

38. the seed of bigotry has blossomed in franklin

[superconnected]

39. I see he inherited the crazy gene.

[valerief]

40. Er, why are we baptized? Isn't it to go from born heathen to Xtian?

BTW, I'm a happy heathen.

[AlbertCat]

41. See? Stupid IS hereditary as well as Judaism and Islam!

I guess those angels is father believed in told him all this. This must be the "Christian Seed" that turns brains into mush. Or maybe it's all just the "religion seed".


Notice how, in case you don't fall for the "Islam is hereditary" meme, you can just go right to "It's the Atheism!!!" meme.

[Loudmxr]

42. Y'know Billy didn't like the Jews very much, not around Nixon.

So what does that make Franklin? Inquiring minds want to know.

Of course he would probably find that insulting because he is rich and white and famous and white and rich.

[Raschel]

63. Well, you know the saying, wherever there's a Jew-hater theres a Black-hater.

[Major Hogwash]

43. Graham is wrong, he should pray for forgiveness for bearing false witness of our President.

His dad used to be Nixon's spirtual advisor when he was in the White House, so why am I not surprised by this tripe?

[onehandle]

46. Obama has teh Muslim! nt

[Yeahyeah]

47. Isn't he telling his peeps that Obama's a Christian in this interview?

I'm not a member of Graham's fan club or anything,but...

[Papa Boule]

49. "That's what he says he has done, I cannot say that he hasn't. So I just have to believe that...

"That's what he says he has done, I cannot say that he hasn't. So I just have to believe that the president is what he has said."

I'd really like to know if Graham used similar "well, he says he got saved; I cannot say he hasn't so I just have to trust that he has" wording when commenting on George W. Bush's personal testimony.

[Joanne98]

50. This is more of their natural law BS!

[sofa king]

51. ...Says the bitter seed of Christianity.

I find myself increasingly in favor of a Muslim v. Christian fight-to-the-death cage match, so that the rest of us can go back to repairing the world those fools increasingly disrupt.

[Raschel]

53. This is the first time I have ever seen a President's religion challenged.

He said what he is, and yet it is still being challenged. Ridiculous. Why is this?

[mike r]

56. The seed of Islam is located in either the big toe or the medulla oblongata

Maybe it's in the pituitary gland. I may have to look it up.
:sarcasm:

[Roy Rolling]

60. The name "Barak"

There was a person named "Barak" who was an example of excellence in the Christian faith as stated in Hebrews 11:32. You would think Franklin Graham would know that name---I would bet his father did.

[Critters2]

117. In the Book of Judges, Barak was a military general,

under the leadership of the judge Deborah. And yes, Graham should know this. Hell, I do, and I'm not famous or anything.

[handmade34]

62. a sad day in the United States

speechless (I have only unrepeatable words)

[fascisthunter]

64. Franklin Graham carries the Seed of Hatred

he deserves to be squashed like a grape.

[Raschel]

65. Hehehe. I like that one. It made me laugh!

[Raschel]

66. I suppose Pyorrhea Palin will be weighing in on this one. Wait for it....

[anachro1]

67. Well; it is official

Xtians are no longer capable of ever speaking the TRUTH about anything.

I seriously hope a black president makes their lives soooooo fucking unbearable they take their lives en masse.

[Raschel]

70. If they do this to a light-skinned non-threatening, nerdy (but IMO sexy) Black man, I can't WAIT

until a very masculine, dark-skinned, Black man (who doesn't smile a lot) is elected. They'll really be scared then!

[anachro1]

88. Are you kidding?

They would start a campaign to put lynching in the constitution.

[mckara]

68. Franklin Graham is a F'n' Idiot!

What do you expect from a 60 year old man who makes a living believing in fairy tales?

[cyr330]

69. Born again Fuck Wad

Can just eat the corn out of my shit.

[JDPriestly]

71. Billy Graham was such a loudmouth when I was a child.

I was raised in a very Christian home, and I never, never liked Billy Graham. Any child could see what a phony he was. I didn't know anything about politics or religion, my instincts just made me dislike him.

Do you suppose the seed of Billy Graham is the reason Franklin Graham is such a loudmouth, attention-seeker?

[Scottybeamer70]

72. Franklin Graham......

what a truly ignorant human!

[KeepItReal]

73. President Barack Obama is a BAPTISED CHRISTIAN, "Reverend" Graham, just like YOU

Are you saying his baptism is not valid, "Reverend" Graham? If not, why?

"Born to a Christian-turned-secular mother and a Muslim-turned-atheist African father, Obama grew up living all across the world with plenty of spiritual influences, but without any particular religion. He is now a Christian, having been baptized in the early 1990s at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago."

http://www.newsweek.com/2008/07/11/finding-his-faith.html

[LiberalFighter]

74. What seed does Franklin carry?

http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/%E2%80%98Satan%E2%80%99,%20Per%20%C3%98yvind%20Haagensen,%20Norway.jpg

[dimbear]

84. the bad seed, or as the Bible calls them, tares n/m

[Amaril]

77. Sure, Franklin.

And your problem must be that your parents were siblings......or at most, first cousins.

There -- how do YOU like people throwing around false assumptions about you?

[atreides1]

80. Didn't fall far from the tree.

Dad was anti-Jewish and junior is anti-Muslim, both are anti-semites.

[jtuck004]

81. So, he's like the Johnny Appleseed of Islam? n/t

[hugo_from_TN]

82. The interesting statement is this:

"Now it's obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed and he has renounced Islam and he has accepted Jesus Christ."

He is publicly calling him an apostate, which has dire penalties in (some) of the Muslim world.

[Poll_Blind]

83. This is why I like neither him nor his father. n/t

PB

[tanyev]

85. So I take it they've completely given up on trying to make Rev. Wright an issue?

[daleo]

86. This tells you all you need to know

For many people, religion is a tribal affiliation, nothing more. It's "passed on in the seed", like eye color.

[David Zephyr]

90. Franklin Graham. What a dick.

And I mean that in a perjorative way.

[mitchum]

94. Graham carries The Seed Of Grifterdom

Get a job,junior

[unkachuck]

97. "The seed of Islam is passed through the father..."

....hey Franklin, what seed are you passing?

[defendandprotect]

99. Wasn't it his daddy, Billy Graham who is on the Nixon WH tapes encouraging

Nixon's paranoia re Jews -- ???

Why would anyone listen to these idiots?

[EFerrari]

113. Yes. Franklin's problem is that he's probably the spawn of Satan.

lol

[defendandprotect]

100. Forgive me for using your thread for a moment to complain about Olberman.....

and how the show will use video of the right wing --

I watched this tonight and the video simply played with Franklin Graham there

spouting his hatreds, misconceptions and lies --

OLBERMAN ... PLEASE PUT A RED LINE THRU THE VIDEO ... PUT SOME XX'S ON IT --

WHATEVER .... DON'T REPLAY IT AS IS!!

Drives me nuts!!

And Olberman Show does this like every night -- with whomever -- including Palin -- !!

Reduce the video to half the screen -- make sure that you are showing in some way

that you DISAGREE with what is being said -- and don't give the right wing any free

advertising to act out their various intolerances and obsessions!!

P L E A S E -- !!!

Otherwise, Olberman has been a great help to the left -- and hope he will continue

to be!!





:)

[colinday]

101. Barack Obama, Sr. was an atheist.

At least according to Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama,_Sr. True, he had been a Muslim, but his father (president Obama's paternal grandfather) converted to Islam from Roman Catholicism, so the President could not have "inherited" Islam.

As a side note, Obama, Sr. was critical of Jomo Kenyatta's economic planning, for which he was blacklisted.

[midnight]

107. Franklin sounds like he is spiritually bankrupt.

The President's or anyone else's religious choice is not a problem but a freedom.

[struggle4progress]

110. Poor Franklin, bless his pointy little head, is easily confused

[bitchkitty]

111. The Islamic cooties will never wash off!

God, why do idiots like this have to walk among us? Why do I have to live my life surrounded by morons?

[mix]

112. what an ignorant f*ck nt

[KansDem]

114. They just don't give up, do they??!!!

Save us from Christian whack-jobs!!!

[GoldenOldie]

115. Dunked, dipped, or splattered doesn't make one a christian!

Saying you are christian doesn't make one a christian!

Just as "they" expect Obama to prove he is American born and of Christian faith, so should Franklin Graham and his fellow haters. I want to see their actual hospital birth record, showing the actual time of birth, place of birth, doctor, etc., etc. I want them to show me how Christ like/Christian they are.

[Critters2]

116. ...

:banghead:

[Owl]

118. Franklin's an idiot.

[BadGimp]

119. The purpose: To plant the seed of thought that "Obama is flawed and not one of us"

This is so vile, evil and contemptible that it reminds me of the words often quoted here on DU:

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross".

[DFLforever]

121. Anyone else think Graham looks a bit like a devil?

Wouldn't that be something. Satan takes over as head of America's most famous ministry.

[JerseygirlCT]

122. I know it shouldn't

but it always surprises me just how ignorant of even the basics of other religions some of these people who claim to be in the religion biz are.

What a load of crap. (That doesn't surprise me, given the source.)

[Prometheus Bound]

126. "Is Franklin Graham the spawn of the devil?" gets 3.2 million hits on my Google.

[guitar man]

128. LOL!!

So 'ol Franklin, in an act of hate, throws himself and the whole evangelical movement under the bus. The headline should read "Franklin Graham says Jesus can't save you from the seed of Allah"

the irony is delicious :evilgrin: