Armed group of Christian Conservatives to protect church during burning of Quran

[OneAngryDemocrat]

Source: World Correspondents

This Press Release entitled “Armed Christian Conservative group to protect church during burning of Quran” was shared to us by Prince Shannon Carson of Right Wing Extreme.

The Christian conservative organization Right Wing Extreme has offered its support and protection for the International Burn a Quran day.

...

“We fully support Dove World Outreach Center and its efforts to put an end to the notion that Islam is a peaceful religion. Islam is a violent cult with the goal of world domination.” Says Right Wing Extreme founder Shannon Carson.

Read more: http://www.worldcorrespondents.com/armed-group-of-christian-conservatives-to-protect-church-during-burning-of-quran/889096

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An Islamic group in Chicago has launched a nationwide campaign and pledged to distribute 50 copies for every copy they burn and have called on all people of conscience globally, Muslims and Non-Muslims to support this: http://www.bookofsigns.org/2010/08/book-of-signs-foundation-counters-quran-burning-in-florida/

[realisticphish]

1. so a bunch of people

are arming themselves, then piling books in a giant pile and burning them...


...to protest extremists.

[bluevoter4life]

2. so a bunch of people

are arming themselves, burning Quran's

....and imply that Christianity is the peaceful religion?

[saigon68]

11. Sounds like they mean it

[Divine Discontent]

43. I'm not so sure they implied they're peaceful followers of Christ... if they even have read His word

These people are disgusting and violent, obviously. Despite being a Christian, I would commend someone standing there with a fast copier in a pickup bed and printing off the Quran just to show them that their actions are ridiculous, and someone is going to print off new ones for every 1 they destroy - this isn't 1650 for God's sake, where if you destroyed a few dozen books you made a dent in their numbers! You can't force someone to believe the way you do, inner faith or none is a choice everyone makes, it's not made with force, or by "burning the other guys holy book".

Sadly, there are way too many of these extremists in our country. Since "Christianity" is the predominant religion, there's more Christian extremists, naturally. The Islamic extremists are mostly over in several other parts of the world. Could you just imagine the violence there would be if they were here in the same place as these "Christian" extremists? It'd be like the violence that I read about in the world news online in countries like India where they battle...

[Turborama]

3. This has happened before....

In 1933: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4_j4c7Bop0

[realisticphish]

10. Honestly

It's happened countless times since the beginning of the written word.

The endless cycle of ignorance.

[Turborama]

17. This is true. Did you watch the video, though?

If so, the narrator's quote of Hitler at the end is very apt as to what's going on today.

That clip is from a BBC series called "The Nazis: A Warning From History" I posted the whole thing here in the videos forum.

If you, or anyone else, want to watch it, here's the link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=405536">BBC's "The Nazis - A Warning From History"

Two years after the book burning, the http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~jobrien/reference/ob14.html">1935 Nuremberg laws were put in place and we all know what that led to.

There are other similarities...

"I consider radio to be the most modern and the most crucial instrument for influencing the masses.." was a famous and important quote from Goebbels.

(today, we could easily update that by changing "radio" to "24/7 cable news")

His other famous and important quote was...

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

Full quote, http://thinkexist.com/quotation/-if_you_tell_a_lie_big_enough_and_keep_repeating/345877.html">here.

Volksempfänger

The Volksempfänger (German for "people's receiver") was a range of radio receivers developed by Otto Griessing at the request of Joseph Goebbels.

The purpose of the Volksempfänger-program was to make radio reception technology affordable to the general public. Joseph Goebbels realized the great propaganda potential of this relatively new medium and thus considered widespread availability of receivers highly important.


Volksempfaenger & 1936 Nazi propaganda poster, promoting
the use of the Volksempfänger

More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksempf%C3%A4nger

More on the use of the radio by Goebbels' "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Public_Enlightenment_and_Propaganda#Propaganda">Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda"....

Radio

The radio was an important tool in Nazi propaganda and it has been argued that it was the Nazis who pioneered the use of what was still a relatively new technology as a tool of genocide. Certainly the Nazis recognised the importance of radio in disseminating their message and to that end Goebbels approved a scheme whereby the production and distribution of millions of cheap radio sets was subsidised by the government. By the start of the Second World War over 70% of German households had one of these radios, which were deliberately limited in range in order to prevent them picking up foreign broadcasts. These so-called Volksempfänger featured little beyond propaganda and speeches. Radio broadcasts were also played over loudspeakers in public places and workplaces, where listeners were frequently observed by radio wardens.


More, including links to references here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_propaganda#Radio

How many foreign TV news channels are available in the US?

How many McDonald's etc have Faux on 24/7....?

[DBoon]

57. "How many foreign TV news channels are available in the US?"

Try getting Al Jazeera on your local cable and see.

Maybe a couple of local providers carry it:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/159971/al_jazeera_lobbies_online_for_us_cable_access.html

[DBoon]

56. the Inquisition made a practice of burning books

It was much more effective before the invention of the printing press.

They could actually eliminate every outstanding copy of a work

[LostinVA]

49. And are blatantly violating the law and arming themselves against the cops

Since they were refused a burning permit.

[Downwinder]

4. What is the current rate for CDO's on the World Outreach Center? n/t

[nemo137]

5. Wait, wait. Armed group of fundie nutbags calls another religion a violent cult?

We live in dangerous times.

[MrScorpio]

6. So, a bunch of armed, hateful "Christians" says that Islam is violent...

Proof right there that irony is not dead

[Grassy Knoll]

7. Like that works, it made the Beatles more popular........

[wookie72]

61. I've always wondered about the kid holding the record

Whatever happened to him? I think it would be too easy to say that he ended up a right-wing Christian, maybe he dropped out soon after and became a hippie.

It's like seeing pictures of kids with Hitler. The kids are probably still alive... what can they possibly be thinking now?

[smuglysmiling]

8. Law enforcement had

better get a handle of these people before someone gets hurt or killed.

[pipoman]

48. Actually law enforcement better leave these people alone

or provide security for them...this is a free country, people are allowed to do stupid things...in fact the right to do this stupid thing is constitutionally protected. I wouldn't want it any other way..

[LostinVA]

50. Incorrect -- they are breaking the law

They were refused a burning permit by local officials. So, they are blatantly breaking the law. They have a right to burn whatever written material they want, but they must do it within the public laws of their municipality.

[pipoman]

93. Because they will scream

first amendment violation the second anyone tries to stop them and they will win. I find it astoundingly, unbelievably intolerant activity. I also believe they should be allowed to burn the Koran, or a Bible, Or a flag, or any other symbolic effigy they choose. The complete irony of a group who claims forgiveness and "hate the sin, love the sinner" philosophy will not be lost on most people, these people will be viewed as fools by most of society. Applauded members right here in our party have violated ordinances while protesting.

[ThomThom]

97. Yes they should, then they should pay the penalty.

if they don't have a permit they are subject to arrest and they should be

[Lance_Boyle]

94. They were denied a burn permit by the local govt.

I would guess local police would have every right to restrain any protesters while the fire department extinguishes any fire the yahoos may light in defiance of local law. I would also expect hefty fines if not jail time for deliberate violation of local burning ordinances.

[NICO9000]

9. At least "Right Wing Extreme" is aptly named

:eyes:

[Downwinder]

12. Family fights are so vicious. n/t

[patrick t. cakes]

20. +1

[Jefferson23]

13. Pathetic ignorant fools. n/t

[msanthrope]

14. Religion ruins everything. n/t

[sundayatwork]

54. People ruin everything. Ignorance ruins everything.

To say religion ruins everything is exactly the same kind of simplistic, willfully ignorant, generalization as saying all Muslims are evil, or all Christians are stupid.

[wookie72]

60. Exactly.

To put Dorothy Day, MLK and Thich Nhat Hanh in the same category as these people is just as obscene as burning any book.

[tucsonlib]

15. A Cult With 1.5 BILLION Followers?

Haven't seen any Muslim gangs burning Bibles lately. Which is the violent cult here? Love the title though - "Armed Christian Conservative group to protect church during burning of Quran"

Protect from whom, I wonder. "Illegal Aliens"? ""Libruls and Commies"?

And how come they don't have faith that Jesus will watch over their church? Didn't He once say, "Blessed are the heavily-armed bigots, for their hearts shall overflow with hate and fear."

[SnakeEyes]

23. Well...

no doubt some are going to threaten them with a fatwa. Look at people who publish cartoons. Or who created animated comedies.

Agreed with previous post... religion ruins everything.

[gtar100]

25. I get the feeling they would relish the idea of a fatwa being put on them.

After all, what is the point? Are they going to "rid the world of Islam" because they burn the Quran? No. They want to stir their anger and pat themselves on the back for being so brave.

You know, they aren't doing any favors for Christianity by doing this. They look like and are acting like a bunch of really stupid people. I don't want to even be associated with those people. I'm beginning to identify myself to my international friends and acquaintances as a Coloradan, not an American. At least that steers the conversation to more personal things than just being lumped into the same group as these asshats in Gainsville, Florida.

[BlueIdaho]

16. We fully support Dove World Outreach Center and its efforts to put an end to the notion

that Islam is a peaceful religion."

So the armed Christians are going to burn a religious text to prove that Islam is not a peaceful religion?

No irony there...

edit = typo

[totodeinhere]

38. They are within their constitutional rights to burn the Quran aren't they?

I'm not saying they should do it, but they do have a right to do it and Muslims should have the right to burn the Bible as well. Both books have no basis in fact anyway. They both play to fear and superstition.

[susanna]

42. Self-delete. n/t

[LostinVA]

51. They are actually breaking the law

They were denied a burn permit. they have a right to burn the Koran, but they must do it with public safety laws. Local officials didn't think that was possible, so permit denied.

[totodeinhere]

68. Point taken. The burning of the book in and of itself is legal if done safely with the proper

permits. n/t

[John Kerry VonErich]

72. Like many, they'll tell the judge....

"Who should I make this check out to?"

[Echotrail]

18. Would they open fire if someone tossed some Bibles on the fire?

This is completely crazy and meant to provoke those who honor the Quran. These "armed Christians" have nothing whatsoever to do with Christ.

They should be arrested for hate crimes.

[SnakeEyes]

21. Burning books of fairy tales is a crime?

Let's not go overboard here.

[totodeinhere]

39. No, they are practicing constitutionally protected free speech. Remember that the Supreme Court

ruled years ago that burning the American flag is constitutionally protected. How is this any different?

[hatrack]

91. Better yet, give 'em a wheelbarrow full of Bibles in Arabic . . .

Once the flames begin to rise, thentell them what they've just done.

:evilgrin:

[rpannier]

19. Delivering free copies of the Quran for every book burned

Sounds violent to me :sarcasm:

on note: Good on the Group in Chicago. It's a good way to respond to idiots

edited for spelling

[AsahinaKimi]

22. Fahrenheit 451

***Seriously, burning books contributes to air pollution. Can't someone in the EPA
bring down a bunch of feds to hand out fines to these jerks?

[G_j]

24. they don't need protection

& bibles burn too, who cares?

[DeSwiss]

26. K&R

"Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people." - Heinrich Heine

[Blue_Tires]

53. +1

[Vinnie From Indy]

55. +1

[gtar100]

27. Oh, the irony.

Wooosh!! Right over their heads. Evidence that religion can have very negative side-effects on critical-thinking skills and general common sense.

[Dystopian]

28. KandR.

peace~

[palotin]

29. They need them too

Anything to help them feel like they're doing something relevant and important. A sense of victimization is what drives these morons. Their leaders have this thing down pat. Declare the intention to do the dumbest thing you've ever heard in your life, get it reported in the press, wait for the sane portions of humanity to weigh in with condemnation, and then let their followers' Manichean view of the world do the rest: they're already on the side of righteousness so anyone actively opposed to them must be evil. The level of opposition, of course, is in direct relation to the degree of importance of whatever the initial dumb activity was.

[snagglepuss]

Well said.

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[snagglepuss]

36. Well said.

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[Turborama]

30. They want another 9/11 to happen under Obama's watch

What's the worst thing you can do to provoke a Muslim extremist or even just tipping Muslims over the edge?

Burning the Qur'an, basically.

It all relates to http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8976871">this.

BTW did anyone see that Lizard Cheney was standing in for Hannity, today? Kind of adds weight to what I said http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8976871&mesg_id=8980699">here.

[McCamy Taylor]

31. Gonna put an end to the notion that Christianity is a peaceful religion...

[Downwinder]

32. That was determined centuries ago.

[liberation]

37. Oh, come on... the dark ages, the inquisition, the annihilation of countless cultures all over...

... the crusades, the religions wars that defined Europe for basically 1 thousand years, the puritans, the the witch hunts, the persecution of scientists and philosophers, etc, etc, etc. that are just some small peccadilloes for a few "bad apples."

Plus Christians were supposedly eaten by lions a couple times back in Roman times, so it seems perfectly fair an entitled to blow some steam.

Totally harmless I say...

[LanternWaste]

82. I know in my church we fantasize every Sunday about the day we can begin burning

Well... I know in my church we fantasize every Sunday about the day we can begin burning witches and apostates again. The follow-up, five course pot-luck served with your choice of sweet tea or Dr. Pepper is optional.

Pol Pot was just a bad apple too, I imagine.

:sarcasm:

[Phil The Cat]

98. What about Dr. Pepper floats?

After a long day of pagan slaying, nothing tastes as refreshing as a nice tall Dr. Pepper float!

:beer:

(OK, so it is a "beer" smiley, but let's pretend!)

[Liberty Belle]

33. These extremists are every bit as crazy and dangerous as extremists within the Muslim faith.

Good people in all religions should denounce those who resort to violence, hurting or persecuting others.

[Downwinder]

34. zealot

1.a person who shows zeal.

2.an excessively zealous person; fanatic.

3.( initial capital letter ) a member of a radical, warlike, ardently patriotic group of Jews in Judea, particularly prominent from a.d. 69 to 81, advocating the violent overthrow of Roman rule and vigorously resisting the efforts of the Romans and their supporters to heathenize the Jews.

[liberation]

35. And Jesus said: Bring ye olde M-16 for the AK is the instrument of the Commie Devil...

Amen.

Blessed are the armed to the teeth.

Seriously, if they have to bring weapons to the temple of their supposedly "omnipotent" and "all loving" god to protect themselves from "harm" while burning another religion's holy book to spite them.... well that does not sound like they are put much confidence in the capabilities of their invisible friend up in the sky. At least it doesn't look like a vote of confidence for the words of his supposed son, you know... the prince of peace who said that about "loving thy enemy"

[totodeinhere]

40. How is burning the Quran different from burning the American flag? And remember that the courts have

ruled that flag burning is constitutionally protected free speech. Yes, some people revere the Quran, but so do some people revere the American flag. If you can burn one you should be able to burn the other. And burning the Bible should also be allowed for that matter.

[liberation]

41. Nobody is making a case that the book burning should be illegal, nice red herring BTW

The point is that it is a monumentally inflammatory and ignorant thing to do in a society in the XXI century. Especially when it is done as an act of religious extremism to protest other people'e religious extremism.

Really, not a concept that hard to grasp, unless....

[Nihil]

52. "monumentally inflammatory"?

Nah ... that would have been the "Act of God" that took out "Touchdown Jesus" ...



Ignorant fanatics burning holy books is just "literally inflammatory" ... :hide:

[Igel]

84. It apparently is a hard concept to grasp.

The opponents of Park51 don't usually argue that it's illegal to build, or even should be illegal to build the thing. No, they argue that it's inflammatory and insensitive.

They're oddly parallel in many respects. Both are local government issues (albeit mixed up with politics--I have a strong suspicion that if the group wanted to burn copies of Mein Kampf or even copies of *'s book they'd have been permitted).

[activa8tr]

44. It's as LEGAL as building a community center in NYC, but far more foolish.

What's your point?

[totodeinhere]

74. I already made my point. It's constitutionally protected free speech.

Yes, it is inflammatory and I don't agree with their doing it. But I will protect their right to do it. Building the community center near ground zero is also legal of course. But many well meaning people also believe that building it there is inflammatory. But it seems that to a lot of people here on DU, it is OK for the planners of the center to commit an inflammatory act, but it is not OK for these fundamentalist Christians to do it. Isn't that a double standard?

And for the record I am neither a Christian or a Muslim. IMO both religions are based upon fear and superstition.

[Turborama]

45. Remember the reaction to the Mohammed cartoons? This is pure provocation for a terrorist attack

There were riots all over the world, people died and some heavy shit went down over the cartoons. If you need a reminder do a quick google search.

They want another 9/11 to happen on Obama's watch and then they can say "he didn't keep us safe".

As I said in reply #30... What's the worst thing you can do to provoke a Muslim extremist or even just tipping Muslims over the edge?

Burning the Qur'an, basically.

If this Qu'ran burning happens, do you think only local media will report it?

Or, do you think it will be http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8976871">Broadcast Unfiltered ALL OVER THE WORLD by Faux?

[harun]

65. Who here is questioning the legality of the burning?

[totodeinhere]

69. It is being questioned right in this thread. See #18.

Look, I am not saying that it is a wise thing to do. And yes it is inflammatory. But so is burning the American flag inflammatory. And yet I support the right to do either of those inflammatory things as long as they have a burning permit.

[LanternWaste]

83. I believe the reason that the church...

I believe the reason that the church in TX originally slated to do this was denied due to fire codes not being adhered to rather than because the local authorities didn't like someone's free speech.

[no_hypocrisy]

46. "Islam is a violent cult with the goal of world domination."

Freudian projection at its worst again.

[Regret My New Name]

47. I'm usually pretty 'live and let live' toward people like this....

but this makes me want to burn the Christian bible to spite these fuckers. Seriously, wtf? I know, it makes me just as bad, but still. Idiots. I hope other Christians are speaking up against these assclowns.


*I was curious so I ventured to the place I go when I wanna get the pulse of the nutty christians... http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?144104-Dove-World-Outreach-Center-plans-Quran-burning-Sept-11

Ennh.

[slackmaster]

58. Freedom of speech, check. Freedom of assoication, check. Right to bear arms, check.

Failure to acquire a permit for the burn, un-check.

[wookie72]

59. I'm fricking scared

Anyone who is a religious minority in Florida - Buddhist, Wiccan, Hindu, atheist, even Jewish - should be very scared.

[Lorien]

67. I'm not scared in the least. These people are pathetic; trying to start some

sort of "Holy War" in a desperate attempt to gain attention. They're just a tiny group of cowardly rednecks. The best everyone can do is to ignore them, because that will drive them right out of their minds (what they have left of them, anyway).

[slackmaster]

76. OH MY GOD! I agree with absolutely everything in Lorien's reply.

:argh:

[wookie72]

81. If I was Muslim

I'd move the hell out of Florida ASAP. That's all I'm saying.

[leftyladyfrommo]

62. Oh, Lord! n/t

[golddigger]

63. Fundamentalist Christians and Republicans.

The "Brown Shirts" of America.

[davsand]

64. Nothing exemplifies God's love quite like a bunch of guys with guns.

I never cease to marvel.



Laura

[rocktivity]

66. Who's being the religious extremists now?

:eyes:
rocktivity

[superconnected]

70. Why are these people willing to kill someone who would stops them from burning a

book? That's how much human life means to them? I mean, that's the mentality that scares me in gun owners. Not all have it but when it crops up, I don't think they're mentally sound enough to be allowed a gun. These gun owners are making the rest look bad. This is up there with the time I heard a bunch of hick gun nuts saying they'd happily kill someone who walks on their grass and insisted to me that they had the right to and absolutely would.

[slackmaster]

71. Since you are trying to make this about "gun owners", let me edumacate you

Responsible owners of guns and other lethal weapons know that it's morally and legally OK to use deadly force only to protect life and limb, and in a few special situations (referring to Texas at night) property.

This story isn't about gun owners any more than it's about Christians. It's about a few irresponsible bigots trying to create a media circus.

[superconnected]

73. I guess since you can't even spell "education," I have to point out the critical

thinking for you.

Gun owners have now taken up and are backing the cause. That's the point of the article.
We already know about book burning, now it's those people who can't spell "education" that are willing to kill to protect the books to be burned, that is news.

As a gun owner, you should know that when you shoot the intent is supposed to be to kill. Pulling out a gun to "protect" an action, is an indication that you are willing to shoot and kill.

It saddens me to see that you are the worst cliche of a gun nut(not to be confused with gun owner) - one who decides that what a group of other gun owners do has nothing to do with gun owners at all and how dare anyone bring that up - even though these gun owners' actions are what turns people against your carrying guns. You'd have been better to look down on their actions, not come off like an uneducated gun nut.

[slackmaster]

75. You are making a broad-brush statement with nothing to back it up

Gun owners have now taken up and are backing the cause. That's the point of the article.

That's just flat-out bullshit.

As a gun owner, you should know that when you shoot the intent is supposed to be to kill.

Wrong again, superconnected. You should take a self-defense class some time. Any form including firearm, edged weapon, empty hand, etc.

The only morally correct use of deadly force is to STOP an attack that is in progress, or to prevent one that is imminent. Shooting a person with the intent to kill can be charged as murder in many situations.

It saddens me to see that you are the worst cliche of a gun nut(not to be confused with gun owner) - one who decides that what a group of other gun owners do has nothing to do with gun owners at all and how dare anyone bring that up - even though these gun owners' actions are what turns people against your carrying guns.

You're the one who initially made a broad-brush statement about what gun owners supposedly think, and you aren't even one of us, I assume. Your incorrect statement about the purpose of shooting someone proves to me that you don't know what you're talking about.

You'd have been better to look down on their actions, not come off like an uneducated gun nut.

If you had read my initial reply more carefully, you might have noticed that I was looking down on their actions.

I don't condone anyone creating a media circus, and I don't condone the actions of their enablers, i.e. the media and their audiences.

BTW, the intentional misspelling of the word "educated" is a commonly used sarcastic reference to the hackneyed vocabulary of the previous President, George W. Bush. I do know how to spell it correctly.

[superconnected]

78. Are you denying these people with guns to protect the book burning are gun owners?

[slackmaster]

79. No, of course not. I'm denying that their actions reflect the views of gun owners in general.

What you are saying is the equivalent of "Christians are burning books."

A few of them are, but their actions don't reflect the views of Christians in general. The statement "Christians are burning books" is obviously imprecise and not accurate.

If you said "Christians (or gun owners) are breathing air", that would be true.

HTH

[superconnected]

85. And if you read my first post, I SAID their actions reflect poorly on gun owners but

did not speak for all gun owners. READ!

[superconnected]

86. I'm just going to file your name under knee-jerk reaction

I haven't had to put someone on ignore for flat out stupidity in a while but some people just earn it.

[rbixby]

77. Imagine the outcry

If a muslim group did the same with the bible and had armed people guarding their ceremony.

[apnu]

80. I wonder what Jesus would say to these people (nt)

[golddigger]

87. "I have not come to bring peace,

but a gun?" (Matthew 10:34)

[IndianaGreen]

88. Their actions puts at risk the lives of our troops serving overseas

Instead of using Predator drone strikes to kill civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan, we should use them to rid us of Right Wing Extreme.

[Turborama]

90. And citizens living overseas.

Probably citizens living in the States, eventually, too.

[Zorra]

89. And they have absolutely no clue about how insane that is. Pretty scary. nt

[pinboy3niner]

92. UPDATE: Militia cancels on Koran-burning event

I posted this earlier in GD:

Militia Group Cancels Support for Koran-Burning ("un-Christian")
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9015723

[No Elephants]

95. What would the Prince of Peace do?

[ThomThom]

96. I guess they are also putting to an end that christianity is a

forgiving, tolerant, peaceful religion of compassionate loving people