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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 01:07 PM
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WikiLeaks publishes secret CIA document on terrorism
Edited on Wed Aug-25-10 01:56 PM by maddezmom
Source: M&C

Washington - The online whistleblower WikiLeaks published a secret CIA memo on Wednesday addressing the possible consequences of US citizens engaging in terrorist attacks abroad.

The three-page document examined the potential that terrorists recruited in the United States could endanger the willingness of other governments to cooperate in the war on terrorism.

The publication reflects WikiLeaks' defiance of the US government, which harshly criticized the website and its founder, Julian Assange, after the release last month of thousands of classified military documents related to the war in Afghanistan.

The Pentagon has demanded the return of all of the documents. WikiLeaks has refused to do so, and insists it has an additional 15,000 documents it will publish later this year


Read more: http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/usa/news/article_1580087.php/WikiLeaks-publishes-secret-CIA-document-on-terrorism



Wikileaks: CIA Red Cell Memorandum on United States "exporting terrorism",
Release date
August 25, 2010

Summary

This CIA "Red Cell" report from February 2, 2010, looks at what will happen if it is internationally understood that the United States is an exporter of terrorism; 'Contrary to common belief, the American export of terrorism or terrorists is not a recent phenomenon, nor has it been associated only with Islamic radicals or people of Middle Eastern, African or South Asian ethnic origin. This dynamic belies the American belief that our free, open and integrated multicultural society lessens the allure of radicalism and terrorism for US citizens.' The report looks at a number cases of US exported terrorism, including attacks by US based or financed Jewish, Muslim and Irish-nationalism terrorists. It concludes that foreign perceptions of the US as an "Exporter of Terrorism" together with US double standards in international law, may lead to noncooperation in renditions (including the arrest of CIA officers) and the decision to not share terrorism related intelligence with the United States.

more: more:http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_Red_Cell_Memorandum_on_United_States_%22exporting_terrorism%22,_2_Feb_2010

Wikileaks Publishes CIA 'Red Cell Memo'
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Wikileaks Releases New CIA Document: 'Red Cell Memo'

Wikileaks promised to release 15,000 new classified documents within the next few weeks, and followed that up with an announcement that it will release CIA papers on August 25. Indeed, Wikileaks has just published a three-page CIA "Red Cell memo" from February 5, 2010. The Red Cell memo examines potential consequences to the US public image of American citizens committing terrorist acts abroad.

This Red Memo is embarrassing to the US government, opening with "Contrary to common belief, the American export of terrorism or terrorists is not a recent phenomenon, nor has it been associated only with Islamic radicals or people of Middle Eastern, African or South Asian ethnic origin. This dynamic belies the American belief that our free, open and integrated multicultural society lessens the allure of radicalism and terrorism for US citizens."

The document goes on to weigh the effect on "extrajudicial activities" (in other words, non-legal US actions such as extraordinary rendition, which require foreign help) if the US is seen as an "exporter of terrorism".

The document doesn't reveal anything that is not already common knowledge, but this sort of content is not publicly seen on CIA letterhead.

more:http://www.nowpublic.com/world/wikileaks-publishes-cia-red-cell-memo-2654838.html

What is the CIA's Red Cell?
CIA Red Cell: 'Outside the Box' Approach to Intelligence


The latest Wikileaks publication focuses on a document from the CIA's Red Cell. What is the Red Cell?

The Red Cell was created by then-Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet after the September 11 attacks to deal with "outside the box" security threats to the United States. Tenet would later resign in relation to the Iraqi WMD scandal.

•Wikileaks Publishes CIA Red Cell Memo on 'Exporting Terror'
According to the CIA's own info page, the Red Cell exists to provide think-pieces on ongoing international situations, rather than to actually craft CIA policy.

more:http://www.nowpublic.com/world/what-cias-red-cell-2654851.html
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 01:09 PM
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1. See CIA, THAT'S what happens when you falsely accuse someone of rape...
...you get your ass handed back to you.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #1
13. Probably thought they were dealing with poor Nicaraguan peasants...
...or a loner ex-Marine who had visited the USSR.

Guess they'll think again...
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #1
15. Holy shit did you read the part about ECHELON
, flyover times of sub meter resolution satellites, location of secret detention facilities, public encryption that has been compromised... Me either.

See the part where they planed 9/11, oh shit, just kidding.

Looks like a 4000 level polisci paper so far.. Still reading.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #1
31. It's a mid level bureaucratic memo about policy implications. If this is the best they got....
then they don't have much.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 01:10 PM
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2. It's not talking about "US citizens", it's talking about the US government.
Or parts of it.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #2
17. Like Legacy of Ashes, but boring. The CIA without a doubt
at one part was a massive and powerful part of the government. To an extent autonomous, post church, the require paperwork for every operation.

Now who authorizes that action post church?

What do you propose we do to prevent elected civilians carrying out military and paramilitary operations in line with a representative democracy?
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #17
62. Hogwash.
Support for the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan was manufactured through conspiracies and lies, not representative democracy.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #62
69. Iraq for sure, Afganistan not so much(nt)
Edited on Thu Aug-26-10 04:42 PM by Pavulon
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:13 PM
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34. No it's not. Did you even read it? The memo is not about CIA operations. It isint
Edited on Wed Aug-25-10 07:13 PM by davepc
It would take a Sarah Palin twist of logic to make a connection that it is.

It's about the potential effects of US Citizens being recruited and attacking foreign friendly government overseas by terrorist groups such as Al Quida.

A Sophomore at Georgetown could of written this memo for a foreign policy class.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #34
53. Quote:
The document goes on to weigh the effect on "extrajudicial activities" (in other words, non-legal US actions such as extraordinary rendition, which require foreign help) if the US is seen as an "exporter of terrorism".
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 01:10 PM
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3. I was watching a doc on The Weather Underground last night
and learned that the reason we know the FBI targeted dissidents systematically via COINTELPRO (mostly peace groups) is because some other group "liberated" some files from an FBI office that set out the whole program.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 01:10 PM
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4. Eat that CIA
K/R
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 02:10 PM
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5. Good work wikileaks
k&r
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 02:30 PM
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6. K&R+ the CIA is still without an Inspector General...
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 02:34 PM
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7. K&R
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 02:46 PM
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8. K&R
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 03:01 PM
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9. K&R
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 03:18 PM
Response to Original message
10. A shot across the bow of the CIA? Now things are going to get interesting...
K&R :popcorn:
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. +1
... i've said this before and will do so again. That INSURANCE file was genius.

These people are picking on the wrong dude. I'm thinking recent attempts at smearing him will be ending.
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BetterThanNoSN Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 04:34 PM
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12. I'm can't wait for the sequel...
I figure this time around they'll lobby charges against Assange for having sex with animals while driving intoxicated with illegal firearms in his trunk. And it all began with a faulty tail light.
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. This is just touching on what the point that
America is the no#1 Terrorist Nation in the World.

There is a lot more to dig into & I hope some real journalists do there job & help to curb the violence we are producing.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Please elaborate on that statement..
I cant seem to remember the name of the US official that made it necessary for me to take my fucking shoes off every time I fly now.

If you truly believe we are the worst of the worst, what action is required to stop us.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #16
23. Maybe it's just me but I would think that the tens of thousands
Edited on Wed Aug-25-10 06:23 PM by go west young man
of dead, wounded, or displaced Iraqi people would be "terrified" of us. Not to mention all those
Afghan innocents that were bombed in their homes or at weddings. How about all the victims
of the first atomic bombs ever dropped on humankind? Or the people of Mai Lai? Let's see we
propped up Saddam Hussein before we found him not to our liking. Then there was Kissinger
hanging out with Pinochet while that government was throwing the opposition out of planes at
10,000 feet. We have done business with numerous dictators while they killed their own citizens.
China and Saudi Arabia who lead the world in suppressing their own people are some of our
closest partners. Our CIA has destabilized almost all of South America during the last century.
We have supplied Israel with billions of dollars worth of weapons that they have used to kill,
maim, and suppress the people of Palestine, Lebanon, and the West Bank. But your right as
usual Pavulon our hands are clean! We certainly have nothing to do with terrorism of any kind.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Rounding errors when you compare to Mao Zedong's domestic policy
bet evil jews, airplane issues (guess we should smash people with rocks?), and stopping ww2 by bombing japan are all well and good.

What exactly are you going to do about it?

No one has clean hands.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. Over a million refugees, and casualties out of a pop of 30 million is a "rounding error" now?
Wow... American "compassion" is on the march!

What the fuck are "bet evil jews" exactly? uh?
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. IBC does not support the million body myth..
Edited on Wed Aug-25-10 06:47 PM by Pavulon
that number ranks up there with the claim falluja has a higher cancer rate than Chernobyl. 30 million is conservative.

"bet" = "but" you arent the ss of spelling I hope..
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. Which is course no excuse for trying to wash them.
"No one has clean hands...."

Which is of course, no excuse for trying to wash them in the here and now.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. Just reality. It does not have a left or right
every president has used the CIA to carry out American interests. No 1 terrorist is drama, but were not babes in the woods. No one is. At least where you want to live and raise your family.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. But I imagine it does have a wrong or a right...
"Just reality. It does not have a left or right..."

But I imagine it does have a wrong or a right...
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. And "right wrong" is subjective..
so people doing the math to decide how many dead civilians makes a target worth it is not a job I would want. But someone has to do it
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. Terror is terror, either way.
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #24
39. it all means nothing to a sophist
naturally
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. They charged, this perspective is free, you forgot your S(nt)
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #16
38. Here is the US official that made it necessary for us to take off our shoes every time we fly...

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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. I dont remember him around in Entebbe or the first WTC..(nt)
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. No. He also wasn't around when 15 citizens from the country of his pals and business partners
...flew planes into the second WTC. In fact, he high-tailed it for three days.

No, you don't remember him at all that day because he wasn't around.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. Big question is where they were and how they got missed..
yes he was a giant fuckup but others who are still in the "business" made major errors before and after that day.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #12
19. all that happened while he hit a school bus full of nuns and orphans. nt
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 05:16 PM
Response to Original message
18. Validation, loud and clear on our government. n/t
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zenprole Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 05:36 PM
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20. Uber-canny
I agree that Assange is one crafty guy. What makes his task easier is that most of the CIA is made up of A-student climbers who are as capable of thinking outside their crude national-security box as they are of respecting democracy.

If anyone hasn't yet read Assange's paper "On The Take And Loving It," I highly recommend it.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 05:42 PM
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21. DOES ANYONE KNOW...
If this document shows there are more leaks within the military/CIA than just that one guy they have locked up now?

I say this with a heavy heart but it is how I feel...I hope there are multiple leak sources so that eventually it will have an impact of our policies...If enough leaks happen it will eventually have an impact!

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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #21
52. They have multiple sources, here is a post that reveals the CIA's plans to go after their sources...
``The identification, exposure, termination of employment, criminal prosecution, legal action against current or former insiders, leakers, or whistleblowers could potentially damage or destroy this center of gravity and deter others considering similar actions from using the WikiLeaks.org Web site. .

source...
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/U.S._Intelligence_planned_to_destroy_WikiLeaks,_18_Mar_2008

and it is key for their very survival to do everything they can to protect their sources.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #52
56. Manning is the source and he is effectively dead..
as a resource and as a human being. His life will be a turd stain from here on and he will die in custody.

There is no indication that they are getting more information from other sources.

They are an intelligence agency without state protection, that's why they dont leak on Russia or China. Polonium is not tasty.

Hey did you hear about that MI6 guy they found stuffed in a bag?
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. multiple sources as noted in the link above - wikileaks existed before Manning even served
FYI
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. yep, sigma nu paddling rights and some bank shit, no secret docs from the CIA(nt)
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. as i said, they have multiple sources
and you can safely assume that number is only growing since all the free publicity wikileaks has been attracting recently.

and with the way the economy is going for most, there are lot's of unhappy campers out there :evilgrin:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #60
61. I agree and Wikileaks and...
Edited on Thu Aug-26-10 12:33 AM by CoffeeCat
Assange have shown themselves to be formidable opponents. Intelligent, strong, clever and courageous.

Now that there is a serious place for would-be leakers and whistleblowers to funnel information--let's hope that many come
forward with all kinds of dirt, secrets and other actionable information.

That's why they accused Assange (and Ritter too) of heinous sex crimes. It's communication. You do this
and we will come after you with trumped up sex charges. Well, it didn't work this time. In fact, the
clumsy bastards looked sloppy and foolish. They look weak.

Now, people who have wanted to come forward for a while--might not be so afraid now. And they may
view Assange as someone who can handle these thugs.

This can only be good for our democracy.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #61
68. 50 / 50 he is a honeypot(nt)
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #60
67. As a person who posessed classified information..
I don not see the benefit in trading the rest of my natural life for some lulz in the hacker community.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 06:34 AM
Response to Reply #52
64. So, do you think there are multiple sources or...
All these documents & the video probably came from the same person who sits in a military prison right now?

Thanks for the link going to check it out as soon as I have time.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 06:00 PM
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22. K&R...BUT...it is NOT common knowledge that the CIA exports terror.
The ignorant Fox News sucking masses DO NOT KNOW that. To them the idea is out of the question.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #22
30. The memo isint talking about CIA trained operatives.
It's talking about foreign organizations such as Al Quida or Jewish extremist groups or the IRA recruiting/getting funding via American citizens to attack non-US targets overseas. It covers what the effect that would have on foreign relations with friendly governments who were victims of these attacks.

It reads like a college paper on foreign policy more then anything. It's not some smoking gun document about nefarious CIA policy.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. Just read it. Yes, correct - the Afghan war docs were much more of a smoking gun.
The ISI directing the Taliban and the CIA funding the ISI...now THAT is not common knowledge.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. Nor was that confirmed work from analysts.
it was a low level writeup not backed by signal intelligence or named informant. However I would vote the ISI more likely to dump you in a train station trash bin than the CIA however..
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #36
43. What Uncle Sam Really Wants - a free, short online book that everyone should read
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Chomsky/WhatUncleSamWants.html

It will help you see things from a broader, perspective... to help you see through the SciOps/propaganda, and understand others perspective on this topic.

Otherwise you come off sounding like a spokesperson for the elite, which doesn't usually yield to knowledgeable, interesting or useful online discussions.

psst... pass the word :hi:
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #43
47. Define "elite", its get tossed around alot
financial status , educational (context is education) , ruling. I dont have a gaggle of proles running around. But can crack a book.
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. thats easy, the top 1 percent income earners, and the institutions they control
Media, Gov. Corporations, Churches, and the Military/Industrial/Energy complex. (not you)

I think that book can be a real eye opener for many, and help gives context to the many grievances folks have against what the elite in our country are up to.

Anyways, check it out and let me know what you think after you have read it.

:hi:

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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #47
65. You are dissembling.
You understand the meaning of the elite class of a given society. In the United States, they consist of a tiny minority of very wealthy business leaders, who influence our legislative process through a quasi legal system of bribery called 'campaign finance' and 'lobbying'. They also establish our government's policies, via the 'revolving door', through which they serve alternately as administrative directors in government, and as executives in the corporate world. Collectively, they control every institution of power in both government and industry, and they all gain by maintaining the status quo.

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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #43
66. Thanks for posting.
I had not read it before. It will not be appreciated by those pushing rightist ideology.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #36
44. My point was that the CIA provides at least 1/3 of the operating funds for ISI
And everyone (the press, the Whitehouse) has been saying the info was common knowledge. Bullshit - the average american has no clue. The reality is it's a huge story - yeah the ISI will kill you and dump you in a train station trash bin, or build an IED - on the CIA's dime.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 08:02 PM
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48. I did not see the budget numbers on last search through, got a link?
or is that just BS?
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 08:30 PM
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51. LA Times
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 08:46 PM
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54. No source? not sourced from wiki docs, not sourced at all actually(nt)
Edited on Wed Aug-25-10 08:48 PM by Pavulon
edit: we paid for head count. This article is far better.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/15/world/fg-cia-pakistan15/4
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 02:58 AM
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63. Bottom of the page - Los Angeles Times - but here's the original
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/15/world/fg-cia-pakistan15

What the wiki docs reveal the ISI funding and logistical support for the Taliban, which corroborates the LSE report:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/afghanistan/article7149089.ece

Up to 1/2 of the Afghan Taliban Quetta shura are ISI agents.

And yes they also get millions from us in bounty rewards.

But we knew all this. Let's move along.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 09:20 PM
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70. From the Times UK article linked below.
Pakistan’s own intelligence agency, the ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence), is said to be represented on the Taliban’s war council — the Quetta shura. Up to seven of the 15-man shura are believed to be ISI agents.

The former head of Afghanistan’s intelligence agency, Amrullah Saleh, who resigned last week, said: “The ISI is part of the landscape of destruction in this country, no doubt, so it will be a waste of time to provide evidence of ISI involvement. They are a part of it.”

Testimony by western and Afghan security officials, Taliban commanders, former Taliban ministers and a senior Taliban emissary show the extent to which the ISI manipulates the Taliban’s strategy in Afghanistan.

Pakistani support for the Taliban is prolonging a conflict that has cost the West billions of dollars and hundreds of lives. Last week 32 Nato soldiers were killed.

According to a report published today by the London School of Economics, which backs up months of research by this newspaper, “Pakistan appears to be playing a double game of astonishing magnitude” in Afghanistan.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:20 PM
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37. Aparently we're in the minority of people in this thread. Since we actually read all 3 pages.
More then anything is an example of the production of useless analysis generated by the US intelligence establishment as documented in the Washington Post expose.
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:44 PM
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45. Comments and queries are welcome and may be directed to the CIA Red Cell at (703) 482-6918
Comments and queries are
welcome and may be directed
to the CIA Red Cell at (703)
482-6918 / 482-0169 or
44462/50127, secure.

*cut from the document - but where's their email addy :evilgrin:
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 08:27 PM
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50. Quitting America: The Departure of a Black Man from His Native Land
As we have pointed out before on the program, in his state of the union address last month, President Bush did not mention the word Africa once during the entire speech. In last year’s address, Bush’s most prominent mention of Africa was the accusation that Iraq had tried to buy uranium from Niger–an allegation that later turned out to be entirely baseless.

Today we are going to take an extensive look at Bush’s policies toward Africa, African-Americans and the Caribbean with one of the most well-known critics of US foreign policy toward these areas of the world: Randall Robinson.

He is a longtime human rights activist who founded the organization TransAfrica in 1977 to address U.S. policy toward Africa and the Caribbean. Among his most well-known campaigns < > was against the apartheid regime in South Africa and US support for it. In 1994, Robinson made national headlines as he staged a 27-day hunger strike to protest US actions in Haiti. He is one of the people most credited with bringing the issue of reparations for slavery into the mainstream with his book "The Debt: What America Owes to Blacks."

Last year He once declined an honorary degree from Georgetown University because George Tenet, the director of the CIA and an ardent supporter of the invasion of Iraq, had been invited the day before to speak at one of Georgetown’s graduation exercises. Three weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks, Robinson officially "quit" the US and moved to St. Kitts-Nevis, the small Caribbean island nation where his wife was born. He has just written a new book explaining why he left. It is called "Quitting America: The Departure of a Black Man From His Native Land."

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/2/3/quitting_america_the_departure_of_a
http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/demand/2004/feb/256/dnB20040203a.rm&proto=rtsp&start=00:28:38
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 09:21 PM
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55. Wrong thread? Is the CIA now responsible for reperations too?(nt)
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 10:00 PM
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71. Correct Thread
Read or watch/listen to the program. It is about terrorism. And the part he brings out is not hidden. It seems to be accepted practice and OK in certain regions.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 10:37 PM
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72. If you look at the posts on this thread or any Wikileaks thread you
will see that pavulon is crazy to go against them. He's always had weird posts though. Military actions by our gov - good no matter who they kill, etc. Sure makes you wonder about that guy.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 09:34 PM
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58. 3 cheers for truth telling nt
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