Two Men on United Flight from Chicago Arrested on 'Preparation of a Terrorist Attack' in Amsterdam

[Scurrilous]

Source: ABC News

<snip>

"Two men taken off a Chicago-to-Amsterdam United Airlines flight in the Netherlands have been charged by Dutch police with "preparation of a terrorist attack," U.S. law enforcement officials tell ABC News.

U.S. officials said the two appeared to be travelling with what were termed "mock bombs" in their luggage. "This was almost certainly a dry run, a test," said one senior law enforcement official.

A spokesman for the Dutch public prosecutor, Ernst Koelman, confirmed the two men were arrested this morning and said "the investigation is ongoing." He said the arrests were made "at the request of American authorities."

The two were allowed to board the flight at O'Hare airport last night despite security concerns surrounding one of them, the officials said.

The men were identified as Ahmed Mohamed Nasser al Soofi, of Detroit, MI, and Hezem al Murisi, the officials said. A neighbor of al Soofi told ABC News he is from Yemen."

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/united-flight-arrested-terror-charges-amsterdam/story?id=11517664

[flamingdem]

1. Surely you mock! nt

[activa8tr]

2. Just what we need. n/t At least they were arrested.

[Politicalboi]

3. And when did they determine

These were "mock bombs"? I'd be pissed if I were on that flight.

Oops's Read the article before posting.

[hedgehog]

60. It sure sounds like a test run - check luggage on one flight and

never get on that plane while escaping the country on another flight.

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[uppityperson]

6. As is christianity aka McVeigh. Don't judge all by fanatics, there are many good people

[sailor65]

9. You mean Timothy McVeigh?

As in self-proclaimed agnostic Timothy McVeigh? Or some other McVeigh?

[uppityperson]

11. I mean the Catholic Timothy McVeigh that received last rites before he was executed.

He was raised a Catholic, got last rites before being killed.

http://www.evangelist.org/archive/htm2/0614anoi.htm

[sailor65]

15. He also disavowed Catholicism

and said science was his religion. He was hedging his bets (Improvising) with the Chaplain.

[uppityperson]

26. Substitute Terry Nichols, his buddy. Thank you for reminding me I need to use Nichols name instead

[Brandlon]

12. You're wrong

with that comparison. It is one of those comparisons that is completely wrong but for some reason it is needed for moral equivalence.

First of all McVeigh was considered a Roman Catholic when he was young. By his own admission when he became older he didn't follow religion. He again stated that he tried a few different religions when girls he like belong to them, thinking he would have a better chance getting a date with them.

Those are the facts. But lets just say for argument sakes that McVeigh was a devoted christian who prayed everyday. He didn't blow up the Murrah Building because the bible told him to. He blew up the building because he was pissed off at the government for Waco and Ruby Ridge.

That is where you and so many others are wrong. Islamic terrorists are quoting the Koran to do their deeds.

Let my try to make it a little clearer. A Muslim walks into a bank to rob it. Whether he is trying to get money because he is behind in his mortgage payment or he needed money to pay off other debts, well that has nothing to do with Islam.

Now if he robbed the bank because he wanted to send the funds to terrorists so they could fund their jihad, that is on a whole different plane. And so far I haven't read about a Muslim doing anything without referencing the Koran. They use the verses for justification.

How many terrorists acts have happened in the USA where the terrorist held up the bible and read a passage say that is what they used for guidance?

I think you will come up with a handful in the last 25 years. For instance the abortion clinic bomber who also bombed the Olympics used the bible to justify his actions. And he was hunted down by local, state, and federal authorities and when caught was given a fair trial.

Unlike many Islamic countries who treat their bombers as heroes.

[uppityperson]

19. So every Muslim should be tarred with the same brush as a few fanatics, those who most Muslims say

are not following Islam. Having those few extremists doing something for their extreme and fundamentalist interpretation of their religion therefore means everyone who is of that religion is that way? Wrong.

As McVeigh and his born again buddy Terry Nichols "blew up the building because he was pissed off at the government for Waco and Ruby Ridge", so are most terrorist acts done by Muslims against governments. People are hurt in both cases, in both cases they perverted their religion to make it be ok.

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[bergie321]

20. You're wrong

9/11 wasn't about the Muslim faith. It was done because this radical group that happened to all be Muslim didn't like the fact that America had military bases in Saudi Arabia. Did they pervert some parts of the Koran to help justify their actions? Sure. Just like Christians pervert the Bible to justify their hatred and intolerance.

Even if you believe McVeigh that he wasn't influenced by radical Christians at all and the several phone calls to leaders of the racist, Christian Identity group in the weeks leading up to the attack were just social calls, nobody can deny that Terry Nichols was a devout, born-again Christian.

[uppityperson]

24. Thank you for writing this. eom

[savalez]

25. good post bergie321

[Brandlon]

32. Yes

it was.

>>> 9/11 wasn't about the Muslim faith.

[uppityperson]

42. You really believe 9/11 was to spread Islam vs anger @ USA? Seriously?

Have you found the 9/11 forum yet? Could be a place to go hang out.

[Brandlon]

47. Yes it was.

It was Osama bin Laden's attempt to continue the war against the infidel from when they were stopped via the crusades.

[uppityperson]

49. It was to spread Islam, not kill those who didn't believe it but convert them? Wow.

[Brandlon]

52. That is what Islam means

submit. You have a choice convert to Islam, or be granted Dhmmitude or die. There was no other choices when Muslims were at war with non-Muslims.

[uppityperson]

53. All Muslims want to convert or kill all other non-Muslims. Huh. "submit" is not to others but to

god, the supreme whatever, allah (translates to "the all"). Hence, like Christianity from which it sprang, and Judaism from which is sprang, there is a "something" which has a different name by different religions to which one should submit.

Not "join us or you die". I think you do not know much about Islam, the different sects, what they believe and do, how they act and are.

[Brandlon]

56. You are

incorrect.

All you have to do is pick up some history books by Muslim Islamic scholars and they will disagree with you. They are no embarrassed about their history. That is why it is comical when others try to come to some moral equivalency that goes against the history documented by Muslims.

Islam means submission. Throughout the warring history, documented in their texts, you had a choice to submit, Dhimmitude (at the beginning only People of the Book, but later Hindus and Buddhists) or die. Those are the facts.

As to your comment the Allah translate to "the all," I have never heard that. I'm sure Allah is Arabic for God.

And I just looked up the etymology of Allah, and I can not find any place that it states "the all."

[uppityperson]

58. As I said, I do not think you know much about Islam. Perhaps a visit to a mosque, discussion with

some Muslims might help.

I am very sorry that you hold the view that all Muslims want to convert or kill all other non-Muslims. Turn off the TV.

[Brandlon]

63. No, I know a good deal

about Islam. Although I must admit I stopped reading up about it 3 years ago when I realized that there wasn't much more to learn. Their own scholars and texts made it very clear. As I mentioned earlier I find it funny when some people tell me that I am wrong about Islam especially when a lot of my knowledge comes from their texts. I make no claims to being an expert, not at all. I just have spent some time reading their texts, listening their sermons, reading ME English language newspapers.

I see once again you have shifted the goal posts. I clearly stated when Islam was warring. That is exactly what bin Laden wants. Do I think the Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser's of the world want to kill anybody. No.

I'm just not wishy-washy on what the terrorists want. Or how they are following in Muhammad's path from his Medina days.

[uppityperson]

65. There is book learning and there is real life, real world learning.Recommend you visit a few mosques

Talk to some real live Muslims.

Here is a direct quote of yours:
"That is what Islam means submit. You have a choice convert to Islam, or be granted Dhmmitude or die"

Here is another:
"That attack on 9/11 was Osama bin Laden to continue the world domination of Islam."

No goalpost shifting. Go argue elsewhere, it isn't convincing.

[Brandlon]

71. So are you saying that Islamic texts

documented by Muslims are wrong? That's an eye opener.

>>>> Talk to some real live Muslims.

I have. Countless of Muslims. Countless of ex-Muslims.

>>>> Here is a direct quote of yours: "That is what Islam means submit. You have a choice convert to Islam, or be granted Dhmmitude or die"

Islam means submission.

>>> Here is another: "That attack on 9/11 was Osama bin Laden to continue the world domination of Islam."

Yeah, I stand by that. Even bin Laden has said as much in some of his released tapes over the years.

>>>> No goalpost shifting. Go argue elsewhere, it isn't convincing.

I don't need to go argue elsewhere. Do honestly think that you have the only opinion that counts?

I think your problem is that you really haven't delved into Islam. I think perhaps who should read up on Islam. As I have constantly pointed out. It is in the Koran, Sura, and Hadiths. Those are not my words. Those are words of Muslim Islamic scholars.

[6000eliot]

66. Funny, but I thought people came to DU to get away from conservative bigotry.

[uppityperson]

70. funny how our prejudices jump up and grab us, isn't it?

I thought so also. I'm about done with it, have decided I don't want to bring it home after all.

[Brandlon]

73. I find it

interesting how you and a few others talk about prejudices and bigotry, yet you have no problem with "Christians have murdered many millions in their pursuit of world domination."

So are you suggesting the talking about Islamic texts is not permitted, but statements, as the above, is perfectly fine?

[Brandlon]

72. Just because

I have a different opinion than you?

If I'm reading/quoting from Islamic texts written by Muslims how is that bigotry?

[uppityperson]

46. Forget McVeigh then, try Terry Nichols. Or Scott Roeder. He is treated as a hero by many.

[kestrel91316]

10. Christians have murdered many millions in their pursuit of world domination.

Go make your snarky, hatemongering remarks somewhere else.

[Amonester]

13. forgot to mention in my post: all religions s*ck (imho).

sorry for the ommission.

[Brandlon]

14. And you talk about

snarky comments.

>>> Christians have murdered many millions in their pursuit of world domination.

[uppityperson]

22. have they not?

[Brandlon]

33. Not at all

Why don't you tell me where Christians have "murdered many millions in their pursuit of world domination."

[uppityperson]

35. Middle East. I'd add USA also. How?

Slavery, more recently the poor in the USA, Central America (ever heard of the Contras or read about USA backed bs in Guatemala?) Crusades, if you want to go back that far.

[Brandlon]

37. Again, you are

trying to shift the goal posts.

You know this is not what we are talking about. The USA didn't invade Iraq because they were Christians.

[uppityperson]

39. This subthread doesn't say that. It says "Christians have murdered many millions in their pursuit of

"Christians have murdered many millions in their pursuit of world domination." This is what we are talking about in this subthread that started with that. I'm not changing goalposts but keeping the same ones.

[Brandlon]

48. And again

you still haven't proved anything.


"Christians have murdered many millions in their pursuit of world domination."

Tell me where Christians have murder millions in the pursuit of world domination? You answer the ME. You are wrong about that. If not offer up some proof that the West's goal was world domination.

[uppityperson]

50. I did tell you. You seriously don't believe the west's goal is world domination?

What has the CIA done in Chile, Guatemala, SE Asia, all over the middle east? Not want to control those areas?

[Brandlon]

57. No, it is

not. I see you now have removed the word Christian and also have removed the 'pursuit to murder many millions.'

>>> I did tell you. You seriously don't believe the west's goal is world domination?

>>>> What has the CIA done in Chile, Guatemala, SE Asia, all over the middle east? Not want to control those areas?

As I said earlier you are shifting the goal posts in this debate.

[uppityperson]

59. Ah, I figured since I'd shown you the "pursuit to murder millions" your complaint must be with the

world domination part.

Why has the CIA has done what it has done in Chile, Guatemala, SE Asia, all over the middle east if not for wanting to control those areas?

[Brandlon]

68. You really are starting to

be silly. You don't have to do that.

>>>> Ah, I figured since I'd shown you the "pursuit to murder millions" your complaint must be with the world domination part.

>>>> Why has the CIA has done what it has done in Chile, Guatemala, SE Asia, all over the middle east if not for wanting to control those areas?

The original statement said Christians. Stop being so dishonest.

If you have proof that it was a Christian plot/plan to take over the world by murdering many millions of people, please post it.

[uppityperson]

97. You wrote "If not offer up some proof that the West's goal was world domination."

post 48, up this subthread. "Stop being so dishonest."

[redwitch]

93. The Crusades?

"Christians" have been known to murder other Christians because their brand was better.

[6000eliot]

67. You are only fooling yourself.

On edit: It was also because they are brown and have oil.

[Brandlon]

41. Let me

respond to your edit.

Again, show be me how/where the USA invaded another country because they wanted to spread Christianity?

As far as the Crusades go, they didn't happen in a vacuum. They were in response to Muslims conquering many of there neighbors. Check out the history.

[uppityperson]

44. You are changing the goal posts. We're talking of christians murdering in pursuit of world dominatio

"Christians have murdered many millions in their pursuit of world domination."

[Brandlon]

54. I see

you have no proof and that is why you are dogging the question.

Any time you can show me throughout history that Christians were murdering millions in their pursuit of world domination I will be willing to listen.

So far you have failed on the topic of the ME. You haven't shown anything to back up your claim about the crusades, and that is, because history is not on your side on that issue.

[uppityperson]

55. You are trying to change the goalposts and ignoring what I have posted. Read my posts.

I showed you where the USA has murdered millions for world domination. You refuse to see it or accept that the USA has wanted and continues to work for world domination. You also say Islam is a "join us or we will kill you" organization and that was why we were attacked on 9/11.

I think I'll go poke myself in the eye with a sharp stick instead of continuing on with you.

[Brandlon]

61. No you

haven't.

>>> I showed you where the USA has murdered millions for world domination.

You have again taken the word Christian out. I can see that you want to back track because you simple have no proof that it was a Christian plot/plan to take over the world by murdering millions.

That attack on 9/11 was Osama bin Laden to continue the world domination of Islam. He may be a cold-blooded killer, but he is a student of history.

The Battle of Vienna was stopped September 11 1683. bin Laden has made reference to this and other historical facts in many of his rants. Many experts believe that Sept 11 2001 wasn't just a random day to attack America. It was continuation of that day in 1683.

One thing you need to know is that according to Islamic teachings once Islam has conquered any land, that land is forever under Islamic control. That is why there was all this speak, by Muslims, a few years ago about Spain.

[uppityperson]

62. "That attack on 9/11 was Osama bin Laden to continue the world domination of Islam"

Good grief, have you never shortened something when you post? OK, rather than going back and editing and adding that whole phrase "Christians have murdered many millions in their pursuit of world domination", consider that is what I meant.

If your main complaint here is that I haven't written the whole phrase "Christians have murdered many millions in their pursuit of world domination", it is because I didn't though I meant it. Now go read my posts and quit bothering me about trivialities like "you didn't copy/paste the whole thing so you don't mean it".

Go visit a mosque. Talk to some real live Muslims. Now go visit a mosque of a different sect and talk to the people there. You might find it educational.

[Brandlon]

64. Well, I see you want to continue

this conversation. I guess you wanting to poke your eye with a stick didn't sound like that much fun (I may not have the exact phrase you used).

What would you like me to shorten? No, by you shortening that statement completely alters it and I'm sure you know that.

>>>> Good grief, have you never shortened something when you post? OK, rather than going back and editing and adding that whole phrase "Christians have murdered many millions in their pursuit of world domination", consider that is what I meant.

Okay, and I will ask you what I asked you earlier, on more than one occasion. Where is the proof.

>>>> If your main complaint here is that I haven't written the whole phrase "Christians have murdered many millions in their pursuit of world domination", it is because I didn't though I meant it.

Okay, and the proof is where?

>>>> Now go read my posts and quit bothering me about trivialities like "you didn't copy/paste the whole thing so you don't mean it".

By you omitting those terms makes it a completely different argument.

Edit the word: conversion to conversation.

[uppityperson]

I am not trying to convert anyone. Or are you trying to convert me?

[Brandlon]

74. Ha, ha

okay you got me on that one.

[alarimer]

75. The Crusades for one thing, all those missionaries spreading disease for another.

All those conquistadors were Catholics. They brought smallpox and genocide while they were conquering the world for their god.

[Brandlon]

77. As I said

the Crusades didn't happen in a vacuum. Islam was conquering the world at the time. It was their conquest that needed to be stopped.

[jberryhill]

94. Three words - Irish Republican Army

I do believe they tend to be Catholic, no?

[Skittles]

69. HELLO

THAT IS A FACT

[SnakeEyes]

18. In the name of their religion?

Few and far between unless you go back centuries.

[bergie321]

21. Or...to 2003

When Bush (radical Christian) invaded Iraq (Muslim nation) to spread "democracy" (Christianity). A good percentage of our military fancy themselves "Christian Soldiers". Fundamentalist churches encourage young men to enlist to spread Christianity at the tip of a bullet/missile.

[Brandlon]

34. False

comparison.

We did not invade Iraq to spread Christianity.

[uppityperson]

40. True comparison. USA wasn't bombed on 9/11 to spread Islam.

[Brandlon]

43. You are

simply wrong.

[uppityperson]

45. So you do believe 9/11 was to spread Islam throughout the USA. Wow

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125

[Brandlon]

76. Yes, I

do.

Walid Phares (world-renowned terrorism and ME expert) has many good books out and in the one called, The War of Ideas, he spends a few chapters on this so I am going to paraphrase and shorten.

He explains that many terrorist organizations were very angry at bin Laden because they thought he attacked America 10 years to soon. The reason, and it can be seen here, is that Americans fell all over themselves trying to blame themselves for what they (Americans) did to offend those Muslims who attacked us.

And that is true. Over the last ten years I have heard a thousand excuses on why it was the fault of the US. Even Bush, in many ways, bought into that way of thinking.

Phares goes on to say he was told in 10 years time MSA would have control most US campuses, there would have been more Muslims who believe that the US would be under a Caliphate, and that our security forces would have been so politically correct that they would be unable to mount a defense.

That seems to be true. As we all can see how if anyone says anything against Islam, they are called all sorts of names, however, you can say what you want about any other religion.

For ten years, many in the US are still falling over themselves to blame the 9/11 on the US.

Going back to Phares and his talks with terrorist groups. They believe there was simply on good reason to attack America because 'silent jihad' was going to do all the work.

You can hear the same thing in sermons held in the ME.

[uppityperson]

28. Have you never heard of Iraq?

[Brandlon]

36. Please don't

be silly. Of course I've heard of Iraq.

See my post above.

[uppityperson]

38. which post?

[proteus_lives]

51. So have Muslims, Shintoists, Atheists and the rest.

[JI7]

16. There are no Religions of Peace

[Amonester]

27. maybe buddhism is close, but even then (not sure), that's about it

The Spread of Buddhism

In the 3d cent. B.C. the Indian emperor Asoka greatly strengthened Buddhism by his support and sent Buddhist missionaries as far afield as Syria. In succeeding centuries, however, the Hindu revival initiated the gradual decline of Buddhism in India. The invasions of the White Huns (6th cent.) and the Muslims (11th cent.) were also significant factors behind the virtual extinction of Buddhism in India by the 13th cent.

In the meantime, however, its beliefs had spread widely. Sri Lanka was converted to Buddhism in the 3d cent. B.C., and Buddhism has remained its national religion. After taking up residence in Sri Lanka, the Indian Buddhist scholar Buddhaghosa (5th cent. A.D.) produced some of Theravada Buddhism's most important scholastic writings. In the 7th cent. Buddhism entered Tibet, where it has flourished, drawing its philosophical influences mainly from the Madhyamika, and its practices from the Tantra.

source: http://www.answers.com/topic/buddhism

[Vehl]

90. The Lankan Buddhism however, has some unique traits of its own......and a Buddhist Taliban

from the moment the Brits left in the late 40s, Lankan Buddhism has taken on a Militant nationalistic face.Not all i hasten to add, but at least the majority of the major Buddhist Nikkayas(schools) in Lanka.

The result is the advocation/participation of/for discrimination/pogroms against the minorities

The assassination of the first Lankan head of state by a Buddhist monk...who , along with his brethren claimed that minorities should not be given equal rights as the Buddhist Majority.

Participation in politics by Buddhist monks (they have their own political party(an ultra-nationalistic one), run for elections, Impart blessings on weapons/tanks and even have monks as members of parliament)

Religion based protests against any nation/person they think somehow "offended" Buddhism
Recently, when the rapper "Akon" released a music video in which there was a small buddha statue in the background..in a dance scene...the Lankan government issued a strong protest and a Ban against Akon(if he ever visits lanka)

All in all, Buddhism has been thoroughly hijacked in Sri Lanka. Any Buddhist from outside Lanka would be rather shocked to see the extent of this.

[The Magistrate]

98. It Was, Sir, A Fighting And a Rebel's Faith In Rural China

Tibet, while under ruke of the Lamas in the twentieth century, went to war on several occasions....

[uppityperson]

5. It was found in AL, cleared and flown to O'hare, then he didn't board that flight @ O'hare but...

He boarded a different flight than the one his luggage was on? How can that be? 2 tickets, check bags in with one and yourself in with another? However, he managed to get himself to Amsterdam on his flight.

I wonder if he'd not not boarded with his luggage on same flight @ O'hare, if those in Alabama would have passed on the info about what they found in his luggage.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/united-airlines-amsterdam-terrorism-101830968.html

[sofa king]

17. They might have been trying to take advantage of "flying while scary" procedures.

Nobody here wants to believe me, but when I had long hair I was routinely "randomly selected" for special scrutiny and my luggage got lost so often that I quit checking bags altogether. As a result, a couple years before 9/11 I flew to New Zealand with no checked luggage (but was searched three times before I left Dulles Airport). My scary knife-scarred Asian friend who traveled with me had everything lost for most of the duration our trip, as I warned him he would. As soon as I cut my hair, the lost baggage and random searches ended.

I maintain that most airlines deliberately lose the luggage of "scary-looking" people, that is people of color, people with bad attitudes, people who look like musicians or drug users, and so on. It's a racial and social profiling system that's got to be illegal as hell and actively practiced since at least the mid-1990s.

Mo Atta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PENTTBOM">had his luggage "lost" on 9/11. The Nigerian bomber had luggage in Amsterdam, but none when he got to the U.S. And here's http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/2010/07/06/airline-loses-luggage-of-israeli-security-detail-4-guns-missing/">another example, and another, and another. The shoe bomber guy didn't even try to check baggage.

There is one excellent reason for harassing your customers in this way: it's a great way to fuck up a terrorist's plan without ever even knowing if the guy has a plan or if he's a terrorist. It might be one of the only ways, aside from canceling and delaying flights, which British Airways also recently resorted to.

But what if you're a non-suicidal terrorist who wants to blow up a plane or maybe part of an airport? In that case, all you have to do is show up as these guys did--looking like they ain't from around here, and your deadly package is practically guaranteed to be safely separated from you. Hence the cell-phone trigger.

[Hawkowl]

86. Detained by the Dutch, not by our glorious TSA!

"The men were arrested at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport on Monday. One U.S. official said it appears the Dutch were not asked to hold either man but were instead notified of the odd behavior and apparently decided on their own to detain them."

Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/united-airlines-amsterdam-terrorism-101830968.html#ixzz0yAFThMTW

[cosmicone]

7. Looks like they are now targeting flights out of the US after

failures on inbound flights.

Also , they don't have the same scrutiny and visa requirements as on inbound flights.

[whathehell]

8. I bet they will now...n/t

[Brooklyns_Finest]

23. Terroist

Not all muslims are terroist, but it seems as if all terroist are muslims.

Oh, but since some white dude named McVeigh blew up a building back in the 90's that excuses all that the muslims have been and will continue to do.

[Amonester]

29. methinks you forgot the other white dudes, cheney and bush and those who

*hide* behind them, but the terrorism they practice/d was/is not on the same scale: it kills millions and (slowly) destroys (almost) all life on this natural resources limited planet.

[uppityperson]

30. Anthrax mailer. Theodore Kaczynski. Eric Rudolph. Joseph Stack III. Scott Roeder.

Aum Shinrikyo and the Japanese subway sarin gas attack.
The Contras.
Steven Green.
2008 Mumbai attacks


No terrorism attack excuses any other but claiming the work of extremists perverting their religions is "all that the muslims have been and will continue to do" is wrong.

By the way, it is spelled terrorist, like terror with "ist" at the end.

[newtothegame]

88. If you were trying to bring up non-Muslim terrorist attacks, you missed the mark.

The 2008 Mumbai attacks were committed by Islamic extremists from Pakistan.

[Brandlon]

78. The vast majority

of terrorist attacks, in the last 10 years, have been by radical Muslims. There simply is no way to deny that fact.

Quite frankly, if radical Muslims were not killing in every part of the world, this past decade would have been pretty peaceful.

That may offend many of you, but that is the truth. Also, many Muslims agree that they are being made to look bad by these groups. At least they have the courage to admit, and not go out of there way to hide it like some on the posters on the web.

[uppityperson]

81. "If radical Muslims were not killing in every part of the world..."

"if radical Muslims were not killing in every part of the world, this past decade would have been pretty peaceful". Yup, Iraq is pretty peaceful indeed as if Afghanistan (or do you classify those as "radical Muslims killing?). So is Sudan. And Central African Republic. And Mexico. And Congo. And Côte d'Ivoire. And Liberia.

"many Muslims agree that they are being made to look bad by these groups. At least they have the courage to admit, and not go out of there way to hide it like some on the posters on the web."

Are you calling me out? Are you calling many DUers out? Who here has said anything positive about terrorists of any race, religion, sex? Who? Who here would not agree that extremists of any sort make the rest look bad?

[Brandlon]

84. Take a chill

pill. I was answering number #23.

I said what I said. Don't be so silly because I don't see how that is calling you out.

All due respect, I think you anger is clouding your response.

[sofa king]

82. Um, no.

Not inside the U.S., anyway. In the U.S., arch-conservatives and white supremacists apprehended for terrorist behavior easily match the number of Islamic-motivated incidents over the past decade. If they're taken together with tree huggers, animal rights people, zealots from religions other than Christianity and Islam, and total nutjobs like the mailbox bomber, they clearly outnumber the Islamic terrorists.

That of course doesn't count the mass murderers, who are overwhelmingly white male Christians (despite this most recent incident), or the truly bizarre incidents like the guys who showed up at a nuclear power plant with bags of money and were released while the Bush Administration tried (and succeeded) to kill the story.

Here's an incomplete list of non-Islamic terrorist incidents in the past decade or so, taken from this article in Wikipedia but stripped of Islamic attempts:

# 2000 March 9: The former leader of the Texas Militia is arrested in a plot to attack the Federal Building in Houston.

# 2002 February 8: Two members of Project 7 are arrested plotting to kill judges and law enforcement officials in order to kick off a revolution.

# 2002 July 26 2002 White supremacist terror plot: Two white supremacists were convicted of conspiring to start a race war by bombing landmarks associated with Jews and Blacks.

# 2002 September 3: An Idaho Mountain Militia Boys plot to kill a judge an a police officer and break a friend out of jail is uncovered.

# 2003 April 24: William Krar is charged for his part in the Tyler poison gas plot, a white supremacist related plan. A sodium cyanide bomb was seized with at least 100 other bombs, bomb components, machine guns, and 500,000 rounds of ammunition. He faces up to 10 years in prison.

# 2006 November 29 Demetrius Van Crocker a white supremacist from rural Tennessee was sentenced to 30 years in prison for attempting to acquire Sarin nerve gas and C-4 explosives that he planned to use to destroy government buildings.

# 2007 March 5 A Rikers Island inmate offered to pay an undercover police officer posing as a hit man to behead New York City police commissioner Raymond Kelly and bomb police headquarters in retaliation for the controversial police shooting of Sean Bell. The suspect wanted the bombing to be considered a terrorist act.

# 2007 May 1: Five members of a self styled Birmingham, Alabama area anti-immigration militia were arrested for planning a machine gun attack on Mexicans.

# 2008 March 26: Michael S. Gorbey who was detained in January 2008 for carrying a loaded shotgun two blocks from the Capitol Building has been charged planning to set off a bomb after a device containing can of gunpowder duct-taped to a box of shotgun shells and a bottle containing buckshot or BB pellets was found in the pickup truck he was driving. The pickup truck was moved to a government parking lot where for a three week period the device inside it went unnoticed. Michael Gorbey gets 22 years prison, but he insisted that police planted weapons.

# 2008 October 27 Federal agents claim to thwarted a plot by two white power skinheads to target an African American High School and kill 88 blacks and decapitate 14 more (the numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic to white supremacists) and although expecting to fail try to assassinate Barack Obama.

# 2010 March 28: Nine members of the Hutaree militia indicted in alleged plot to kill a law enforcement official and then bomb his funeral caravan. According to Assistant U.S. Attorney Ronald Waterstreet the group planned to seize several rural counties in southeastern Michigan and use the area to ambush law enforcement officers whom the group believed were agents of the New World Order. On April 1 all nine plead not guilty and several of their attorneys claimed their clients were bragging and were not serious. The groups website claimed that Hutaree means "Christian Warrior."

As you can see, domestic terrorism is not limited to Muslims. I would, however, agree with the statement that the vast majority of news coverage in the United States is devoted to Islamic terrorism.

[uppityperson]

83. Thank you.

I tire of this one, thank you

[Brandlon]

85. It starts again.

First of all we were talking about the world.

Second that list is kinda small to all the terrorist attempts in the US by radical Muslims. Not sure were some of you have been in the last decade.

[sofa king]

89. Heh, keep believing that.

There are lots of rich and important people out there who need you to believe that it's the religion that spurs radical Muslims to terrorism, rather than inequitable treatment, resource exploitation, and political isolation. But almost always, you will find those three things behind the motivation of a radical Islamic terrorist.

Now, why is that?

[Brandlon]

79. In an earleir post I

mentioned Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser. I put a lot more trust in what he is doing to get the word out about what is happening, not only around the world, but in the US.

There are many Muslims of Jasser's caliber who see the light. So much so that he gets constant death threats.

His website, American Islamic Forum for Democracy

http://www.aifdemocracy.org/

[JCMach1]

80. My daughters are flying unaccompanied minor on the Dubai flight on the 1st, so this scares the hell

out of me...

Seems to be a dry run for a bomb...

Shit... :(

[Haole Girl]

87. What is it with Amsterdam & terrorist plots?

It's ironic, because my flight departing AMS 2 weeks ago required a full body scan before boarding- even though we were in transit.

:crazy:

[uppityperson]

91. Amsterdam has a whole lot of flights from overseas, lots of countries and people flying through

It is the amount of traffic they get and the large number of places flights come/go to.
edited for typo

[562dem]

92. it's so sad that European authorites have bigots too,

just like in US. What does it even mean, dry run? Do they have anything to convict those 2 guys with?

[uppityperson]

96. tata troll

[CJvR]

95. Strange.

If they behaved that wierd why were they allowed on the plane?

Certainy suspect...