Obama's health care law getting less popular

[RamboLiberal]

Source: USA Today

President Obama's health care overhaul is getting less popular as time goes on.

After a slight uptick in June and July, the law's popularity sank to 43% in a Kaiser Family Foundation poll this month, while 45% said they opposed it. Just last month, 50% of Americans favored the law in the same poll.

Only 39% of those polled said the law would make the country better off, down from 43% in July; 37% said it would make the country worse off, up from 35%.


Read more: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/08/obamas-health-care-law-getting-less-popular/1

[n2doc]

1. When one puts most of the benefits off until 2014 this is the predictable result. n/t

[aquart]

6. Exactly.

Why should a bill that doesn't give us anything for years be popular? You'd think our idiot congressmen might have noticed that.

[cilla4progress]

16. This is what I was yelling loudly on these boards yesterday!

All the supposed benefits of the legislation he's gotten through are years off! My monthly premium just went up by $117! And I'm on unemployment!

[defendandprotect]

18. ... but that was completely predictable ...!! Congress knew that ... so did Obama ....

This legislation was done for the benefit of the corporate health care industry!!

Not American citizens --

MEDICARE FOR ALL --

[Gormy Cuss]

25. Having insurers claim that premium increases are based on HCR isn't helping either. n/t

[depakid]

33. Yet it was eminently foreseeable- and Obama and the Dems now OWN every increase

and abuse coming down the pipeline.

[Gormy Cuss]

35. I agree. n/t

[dflprincess]

34. Having insurers still controlling the system isn't reform by any stretch of the imagination.

The public heard "health care" reform and thought they might actually be able to see a doctor when they need to. Now they're finding out that premiums, deductibles, and copays will all continue to go up and they still won't be able to actually get care.

[Gormy Cuss]

36. It's reform all right -- health insurance reform.

That will help people who have the means but were denied access (e.g. those with pre-existing conditions, young adults who can now remain on their parents' plans) but for a great many people they either still are or soon will be shut out because of high costs.

[dflprincess]

38. As you say, people with means may benefit if they can afford the policy

(but they'll still be paying more than they should). The fact is, most those people won't be able to afford it. Or what they can pay for will come with out of pockets that are so high the policy is still useless.

[depakid]

40. 70% actuarial values for more and more of these policies

means that some hospitals and providers will get paid some amount, but it will do little or nothing to halt the tide of medical bankruptcies in America according to the lead researchers on the matter.

[unkachuck]

32. you must remember....

....we need to give the repugs time to come back into power so they can alter, cancel or nullify the bill passed....go along, get along, corporate love....

[Psephos]

37. That was done to game the CBO ten-year budget impact analysis.

As cynical as it gets. 10 years of revenue, 6 years of benefits.

[Brandlon]

39. That's exactly

the reason.

[otohara]

2. Poll Overkill

I really don't give a shit what people in this country think any more - I was polled last week and the questions were so long and slanted to make the President look bad, I got sick of listening to these long, carefully worded questions I just wanted it to be over.

[t0dd]

3. The government forcing you to buy a product from one of the most disliked industries in America..

is an unpopular concept? Who could have possibly guessed?

[bowens43]

9. no one is forced to buy anything.......

it's this kind of disinformation that is the problem.

[Lightning Count]

10. Or you can pay a nice penalty.

Sounds like a great deal. sarcasm.

[earthside]

12. True.

You buy health insurance from a private corporation ... or else.

Or else you get taxed -- or you can call it a fine -- for not buying the insurance.

It is exactly this kind of double-talk and convoluted language that puts politicians, Presidents and Congress-people in such contempt with most Americans.

Face it -- it is a crappy, pro-corporate law.

[northernlights]

15. followed by significant price increases in said shitty product

how could they have foreseen? :sarcasm:

[vi5]

4. Wow, what a surprise.....

Nobody could have predicted that a bill crafted by Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and Max Baucus and riddled with mandates and half measures and delayed action on most things would have become less popular.

This is what happens when the goal is just to put a check in the "done" column rather than fighting the hard fight and making the hard case for what is right and just.

[T Wolf]

5. As more people learn more about this farce, who the hell is actually going to support it?

The right hates it cause Obama did it. And because they do not like the "undeserving" getting medical care.

The left hates it because it further entrenched the insurance corps as the force in charge of medical care and because it provides very little in the way of actual solving the medical care problem.

The insurance companies love it, but will rail against it because it serves their purposes - they are hoping for changes that make it even worse.

The Democrats could not have done this in a worse way if they had tried. Or maybe they did try...

[vi5]

7. Without any sizable group to defend it....

..no wonder it's not popular. I mean the fact is that I'm someone that part of the law will help because my son is very sick and with a host of medical issues. We have good insurance but if we lose our jobs and lose that coverage I at least know he's going to be covered.

But that selfish reason doesn't take away the myriad reasons and ways this legislation is bad. So if someone like me who it will help can barely muster the enthusiasm to sell this piece of crap bill then who other than pure partisans and apologists are actually out there making a case for it. Because I sure as hell am not.

You hit the nail on the head. They couldn't have done this in a worse way if they tried.

[Bitwit1234]

8. Well Kaiser took the poll -do tell- no wonder people don't

like it, could they have fudged a bit. This used to a good HMO now according to a lot of people I know who belong to it, THRU THEIR WORK, say it sucks big time.

[wisteria]

11. Well, most people aren't seeing or experiencing any of the benefits

and insurance costs are still going up. Some people were under the impression that costs would stay the same or even decline. There was not a good job done by the Democrats to frame this issue properly. Telling people we have stopped the bleeding, and costs will go up, but not by as much, isn't something most people think means much.

[tridim]

13. All these idiots are free to keep paying their inflated premiums for less care.

More than half of America doesn't understand a single aspect of HCR, so these polls aren't surprising.

[sendero]

31. And as soon as they do..

... the polls will be 90% against.

[BrklynLiberal]

14. One more case of the repukes being far, far superior when it comes to framing the debate and

defining the issues.

The Democrats are so f**kin ignorant when it comes to this, it just pathetic!!!

George Lakoff George Lakoff George Lakoff George Lakoff


from 2003!
http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml
Framing the issues: UC Berkeley professor George Lakoff tells how conservatives use language to dominate politics

http://www.truth-out.org/disaster-messaging61170
Disaster Messaging

[defendandprotect]

20. No way to "define" this health care deform ... except as a stomping out of any real reform...!!

[AngryAmish]

17. We must punish the American people for their racist attidues

[Bette Noir]

19. Non sequiter much?

[Ter]

22. Health care is a race issue?

n/t

[bc3000]

21. How unsuprising

This crappy law will be a weight around the necks of Democrats for years and years.

Thanks Obama! next time just do nothing.

[Unvanguard]

23. That difference is extremely small, practically noise.

It rises twice in two months, and then goes down in the third, and this is a "trend" all of a sudden? :eyes:

[Skittles]

24. the more and more people figure out what a scam it was

yes, the less popular it becomes

[IndianaGreen]

26. We could have had Medicare for all

Instead we are going to see Medicare and Social Security gutted by a nominally Democratic Administration in collusion with Big Business.

[Skittles]

27. so many people still cannot quite figure it out

to me they have same mental capacity as freepers

[superconnected]

28. Because not doing anything was sooo much better.... oh wait....

[ibegurpard]

29. How did they plan to sell this?

when in the final days, with everyone hating the bill, they were saying "it's better than not passing anything?"
people were telling them this was going to happen if they went down the road they did over a year ago. Yes, they should have let it die rather than pass this thing.

[ipaint]

30. By 2014 the majority of americans will qualify for medicaid. nt

[Q3JR4]

41. No joke. n/t.

[Romulox]

42. Mandatory private insurance is like a RW wet dream. How the fuck did we let this happen?

:wtf: