Man dies after being Tasered by deputy

[superconnected]

Source: Komo 4 news

SPANAWAY, Wash. -- A man who was allegedly trying to break into a Spanaway home died after being Tasered by a Pierce County Sheriff's deputy Tuesday morning.

A homeowner in the 100 block of 170th St. East called 911 around 8:30 a.m. to report that a man was trying to break into their home, said Sgt. Jerry Bates with the Pierce County Sheriff's Department.

When deputies arrived, the homeowners were trying to subdue the man. Bates said the man would not cooperate with deputies and was stunned with a Taser. But the man stopped breathing and medics were called.

The man was taken to a Lakewood hospital, but Bates said the man later died at the hospital.

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Another taser death regardless of if the tasing was warranted - tasers kill. Looks like was tasered for "not cooperating". Thank goodness they didn't shoot him for "not cooperating" but I don't think that would be the answer either.

[John Kerry VonErich]

1. What does then?

Could use pepper spray but he might be fatally allergic to its chemicals.

[superconnected]

2. two cops and hand cuffs used to do the job.

[Lightning Count]

5. And a liberal use of the baton. nt

[No Elephants]

15. However did cops ever apprehend folks without killing them in the past?

[Dr. Strange]

23. By hitting them with fists and batons.

Didn't kill them (well, sometimes it did), but the crooks ended up with black eyes and broken bones.

[No Elephants]

24. Yes, that happened with every arrest. Riiiiight. You would be surprised at what pulling a gun

alone does, even if you neither fire it or pistol whip with it.

[Dr. Strange]

25. Every arrest? No.

By the way, pulling a gun means NOTHING when a criminal starts running away.

[No Elephants]

27. Then why post as if brutal beating were the only alternative?

I was an eyewitness to a brutal beating in NY when there was zero resistance. Guy was lying down, face down, spread eagle, perfectly still. Clubbing and kicking about the face, head and shoulders, capped by a couple of vicious stomps on his spine. He still never moved or cried out. He was a drug addict. I guess he knew better than to try to shield his face. I was less than 2 feet away.

When a criminal ACTUALLY starts running away is the time to give chase, taser or shoot, preferably in the thigh.

[Dr. Strange]

30. I'm not disagreeing.

When a criminal ACTUALLY starts running away is the time to give chase, taser or shoot, preferably in the thigh.

I agree with this.

My comment above was just answering your question.

:shrug:

[John Kerry VonErich]

34. Except the very rare "suicide by cop"

nt

[Dogtown]

3. K&R n/t

[SILVER__FOX52]

4. The greatest threat to a society is when the abnormal..........

becomes normal. We are on course for a disaster in this Country. God help us all, if the republicans get back into power.

[No Elephants]

16. ?

[ManiacJoe]

6. It is not the taser that killed him.

According to the article:

"Deputies tried to arrest the man and a struggle ensued at which point deputies Tased the man. Deputies eventually were able to put the man in cuffs and bound his feet, but the man was still struggling.

Officers called paramedics as is standard procedure in a Tasing incident, but as they were waiting for medics to arrive, the man stopped breathing."

This would seem to suggest "positional asphyxiation" or something like that.

[superconnected]

11. The tazer could have caused it still. I've heard of other tazer reports like this.

We'll have to see what the coroner says.

[No Elephants]

17. Or that tasering did not ill him instantaneously. Or that someone misremembered the sequence of

events.


What "suggests" positional asphyxiation to you, Joe? that he was handcuffed? that his feet were bound? Surely cops are better trained than to kill someone accidentally via handcuffing and binding feet? I say the fucker held his breath in an effort to frame the guys who tasered him.

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20. positional asphyxiation suggestions:

According to the article, he was cuffed, on the ground, and still struggling.

[No Elephants]

26. Covered by my prior post.

[ManiacJoe]

33. You asked; I answered.

OK, so we disagree. Oh, well.

[avaistheone1]

7. Tasers are lethal weapons.

I think tasers should be outlawed. The police use them indiscriminately with disastrous outcomes such as this one.

[Rage for Order]

8. Yes, police should go back to beating people with billy clubs until they submit

And if that doesn't work, shoot them with their sidearm.

[Dogtown]

9. It really isn't "either/or".

But Oath Keepers would support your deflection.

[Rage for Order]

14. It kind of is "either/or"

The poster to whom I replied stated that tasers should be outlawed. Not everyone who is placed under arrest is going to peacefully put their hands behind their back and obey all of a cop's commands. Cops will have to subdue people who won't cooperate during an attempted cuffing or arrest; that's not going to change. That being the case, how do you propose police officers get people to cooperate? Ask them very nicely? Wait them out until they get tired? Bribe them with beer and donuts? Tasers may be used a bit too liberally, but I think it would be a mistake to outlaw them entirely. I would imagine that incidences of people being killed by errant swings of nightsticks would increase, and then there would be calls to ban nightsticks.

[Dogtown]

19. You'd like to believe that

but it's overly simplistic. Just like a republican talking point...

There really is an in-between for your extremes, and just denying it doesn't make it not so.

I repeat: yours is the kind of hyperbolic nonsense that moistens Oath Keepers' panties.

[Rage for Order]

22. In response to that poster's opinion, it is

They said, "Tasers should be outlawed". I say, "No, they shouldn't." That is an either/or scenario. Rather than putting forth a viable alternative you continue to make douchey remarks about Oath Keepers and veiled insinuations. You should stop being a quizzling, stand up for what you believe in, and say what you mean. Or are you to much of a wuss to do so?

:shrug:

[Dogtown]

31. Baiting now?

I won't be baited into breaking rules. Your tactic is sophomoric and puerile.

Quizzling? I suppose you meant "quisling", but obviously you understand the meaning no better than the proper spelling.

Go ahead, wiki it. You'll see the word does not pertain to this exchange.

I understand that you'd like it to be an either/or, but you can't manufacture those conditions. "Yes they should/no they shouldn't" is not an "either/or" scenario. The "e/o" scenario under discussion is your (faulty) premise: *Either* tasers remain legal *or* cops must resort to lethal use of nightsticks (paraphrased).

Other options, more civilized options, are available. In many of the reported abuses, "reasoning" would have been a proper 1st step. If actual violence must be contained (short of that requiring a lethal response, of course) a non-injurious pain-compliance technique often works quite well.

That would require officers to actually exercise and practice the techniques they learn in the Cop School, though. They could even invest in their own futures (since they've chosen this profession, including its risks) and take some lessons in the Gentle Arts.

Except most of them are too lazy.

Even pepper spray is preferable to a device designed to inflict repeated electric shock without leaving evidence of the torture.

Until they can assure the public they'll stop using these things as torture-devices, they need to have their toys taken away.

[superconnected]

29. I'd defend you but this person has violence problems as you see and I don't

think reason is going to work. He really does live in a brutal - either/or world. Scary, I know.

[Dogtown]

32. That poster is damn near incoherent.

"Quizzling"


:rofl:

[No Elephants]

18. As if no one who had ceased resisting--or never started--was ever beaten. Please.

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21. What are you talking about?

What does your comment have to do with anything?

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[No Elephants]

28. Responded to your post. Too bad you can't see the connection..

[superconnected]

12. +1000 Tasers are abused.

[greiner3]

10. Everyone should own Tasers.

Just saying.

[superconnected]

13. That was funny!

:rofl: :rofl: