Environmental Militant Killed by Police at Discovery Channel Headquarters

[Synicus Maximus]

Source: ABC

A radical enviornmentalist who took three hostages at the Discovery Channel headquarters while wearing what police may be explosives was shot and killed by officers, police said.

The gunman, identified as James Lee, was killed by police following four hours of negotiations but the hostages are all safe, said Montgomery County Police Chief J. Thomas Manger.

Manger said the suspect had "metalic canisters" strapped to his chest and back. When Lee was struck by police bullets, one of the canisters "popped." Police have not confirmed if the canisters were a bomb, but Manger said the "device may have gone off" when he was shot.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-enters-discovery-channel-headquarters-employees-evacuated/story?id=11535128

[alstephenson]

1. "Environmental Militant"???

Much of his manifesto rants against immigrants. I don't know many racist environmentalists. Nice spin - the guy was not an environmentalist, he was a wacko.

[Sinistrous]

3. Lee was a wacko who tried to hijack the language of environmentalism.

[defendandprotect]

15. Yes -- a little orchestrated? Guy's dead now -- and attack on Discovery Channel . . . hmmm

Maybe Discovery Channel is also getting a message?

Seems like they have to keep "catapulting the rw propaganda" -- !!


But, I will say that he wacko had a point re population explosion and all of our

press ignoring it!!

[nebenaube]

27. yes, I agree it was a message...

That loon is the second Ishmael reference that I am aware of. He was programmed and there are many more to come.

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[Bette Noir]

20. "Environmentalist" and "racist" are not mutually exclusive.

I don't know how it is now, but the Sierra Club was vehemently anti-immigrant a few years ago. I cut all ties with them, then.

[Xithras]

39. Funny, I've known LOTS of environmentalists who oppose immigration

Population growth is the single greatest threat to environmental stability in the United States, and a sizeable portion of your "serious" environmentalists oppose immigration and support limits on births.

FAIR, one of the leading anti-immigration groups in the U.S., was created by a former Sierra Club chairman and a prominent ZPG activist. In 1988, the Sierra Club itself endorsed the idea that immigration should be limited to stabilize the U.S. population, and it wasn't until the mid-90's that they backed off that position and declared that immigration was not an issue they were going to support or oppose. A few years ago it came up again, and the ensuing fight split the Sierra Club pretty badly in some areas. Eventually the "Keep Sierra Neutral" groups won out, and their official position today is simply: "We have no formal position on the immigration issue".

The thing is, when environmentalist oppose immigration, it's because ALL serious environmentalists oppose population growth in general. There's just some disagreement in the environmental community about how to best achieve that. There's a big difference between that, and tea baggers who just don't like immigration because it brings more "brown people" into the country.

[alstephenson]

43. Point well taken. Thanks.

[McCamy Taylor]

2. Misleading title. He is against immigrants and anchor babies. Sounds like eugenics.

[Sinistrous]

4. Per his "manifesto", he was against ALL babies.

See the excerpt linked in the ABC article in the OP.

[Lightning Count]

31. Is that considered "nogenics?"

:)

[Posteritatis]

5. One of the eleven items on his manifesto was about immigrants and anchor babies. (nt)

[PavePusher]

13. No, misleading post. Looks like you didn't do all your homework.

This guy was flat-out bug-fuck, bat-shit crazy.



http://www.businessinsider.com/discovery-channel-hostage-taker-demands-2010-9

"2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.

SNIP


5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)"



If you go to the web-site, he also wanted to get rid of all weapons... sort of ironic for someone who was also advocating de-population. What a loon. Too bad he was our loon.

[Hekate]

22. Your description of the guy sounds accurate based on his own words about sterilizing the human race

"This guy was flat-out bug-fuck, bat-shit crazy." Ah, yes. Yes he was.

Hekate

[w4rma]

25. That guy wan't our loon. I support guns and I don't support racism. (nt)

[PavePusher]

26. He wasn't racist. He was speciesist. n/t

[slackmaster]

17. What's needed here is balance and objectivity IMO

He was a wacko.

[TankerKC]

30. James J Lee ≈ Margaret Sanger

...no doubt.

[Hekate]

40. What does that even mean?

Please enlighten

[mattvermont]

6. to be fair

There is a strong environmental faction that is against any further immigration or population increase with respect to this nation.
I think this guy was in this camp...that any further degradation of our national resources is related to population (immigration).
for what its worth

[quakerboy]

7. Why there?

That's what baffles me. There are so so many craptastic corps and groups that actually explicitly support what he raved he was against. Why frikin discovery, with all the offensive and stupid organizations out there?

[Posteritatis]

8. He had some sort of obsession with them, got in legal trouble for protesting them in the past. (nt)

[quakerboy]

9. But why

Its clear that he was caught on them for some reason. I just wonder why them, over say, a group insisting that all extras from a fertilization clinic deserve life. Or the Anti-Abortion movement. I mean, them with their bombs have surely had a greater impact on the birthrate than frivolous crap on Discovery.

I suspect its just a facet of the crazy that this man clearly was. But these are the questions I ask. Why are things as they are? Why can't our crazies on each end of the many spectrum's of issues they encounter take it up with each other, rather than going after others who are at best incidental to their particular focus?

[Poll_Blind]

10. That's crazy for ya, though.

I've met more than my share of honest-to-God crazy people, though honestly I should probably be using some other term. But it's accurate shorthand. Anyway, that's part of the disease. Somewhere, Carrot Top has a love-obsessed stalker. There's just no accounting for it.

PB

[MrsBrady]

12. he's probably a loner and he's sitting at home too much

watching too much TV
and something on Discover jived with his weird wackiness

[Alcibiades]

14. Why doesn't Sarah Palin make any damn sense?

I've heard tell of a fellow absolutely convinced, convinced, that the Beatles stole all their music from him.

To this guy, the Discovery Channel was key--key!--to the global conspiracy out to destroy the planet, just as Bush saw Saddam as key--key!--to the Muslin conspiracy to destroy Amurica. Some Saudi guys in Afghanistan do something crazy, say, and so we invade Iraq. Why? Why is the wrong question. When you are that crazy, you can convince yourself of anything.

[Bette Noir]

21. In his manifesto, he described the kind of programming he wanted them to carry.

I know a lot of TV writers (I live in LA), but I don't think any of them would recommend taking hostages in order to sell a show.

[JDPriestly]

11. Unfortunately, there are crazies everywhere.

You'd be surprised how common such people are.

[Lightning Count]

33. I've heard that mental illness is more prevalent among Asians.

Not sure if that's true, but you are right that it is more common than people think.

[Stumbler]

16. Great

I love how this guy is labeled in the headline as an "environmental militant' when there appears to be a large number of other descriptors that could be applied. As if the concept of environmentalism hasn't already been demonized enough by our media.

And with regard to population control, some of us think it's a serious issue that we should be able to have an adult conversation about. That's been tough enough when so many people believe there's no conceivable limit to our exponential growth, and it's going to be even tougher now that this guy'll be the temporary face of the 'limited growth' side. *sigh*

[Lagomorph]

19. Hit.... Score!!!!

Lee said at the time that he experienced an "awakening" when he watched former Vice President Al Gore’s environmental documentary "An Inconvenient Truth."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38957020/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

A native Hawaiian, Lee was a one-time artist in the movie industry, according to his sister's husband. Leonard says Lee was jailed for a few years in southern California.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpps/news/who-is-james-jay-lee-090110_9445017

That's after 5 minutes of Google.

Give them a week and they'll connect it to the White House and Alliance for Climate Protection.

Great job of covering your tracks, Barack and Al....

[boppers]

23. While it's still up:

'1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!! '

His manifesto:
http://www.savetheplanetprotest.com/

[Delphinus]

24. Thanks for posting the link.

I just read everything and I feel very sorry for him. In a way I can understand his pain and angst - that is NOT saying I agree with everything he wrote or his manner of getting his message across.

As a few others have already mentioned in their posts, population growth is a serious issue that we are facing. Perhaps his death will bring about some discussion.

[Lightning Count]

32. One thing is for sure. His death does help accomplish his goals. nt.

[John Kerry VonErich]

28. This is without a doubt a very heavy blow to the environmental movement .

nt

[The2ndWheel]

29. The need for economic growth is the heavy blow to the environmental movement

If this guy did what he did, or didn't do what he did, it wouldn't make a difference to anything concerning the environment. Nothing will or will not get done because of anything that happened yesterday.

[Uncle Joe]

34. This man had mental issues and the only way this could be a

"heavy blow to the environmental movement," would be if the environmental movement was based on nothing but illusion.

If a person were so naive or dense as to believe the environmental movement was based on nothing but illusion, then I would respectfully suggest that person had mental issues of their own.

[Regret My New Name]

38. Ehnn, I doubt it will do much harm.

Unless this becomes a common occurrence, then it's just a single crazy guy who snapped. I know I tend to separate the few crazies from a group/movement as a whole... I'm sure most others do the same.

[slackmaster]

35. Discovery Channel gunman was prosecuted in San Diego - SD Union-Tribune

Records in U.S. District Court in San Diego show that a James Jae Lee was sentenced in August 2003 to 18 months in federal prison for trying to smuggle an illegal immigrant in a hidden compartment in a car through the San Ysidro Port of Entry.
Related

The gunman who stormed the Discovery Channel building in Maryland on Wednesday and was shot to death following a four-hour hostage standoff with police wrote a San Diego federal judge seven years ago that he was a loner whose life was “a nightmare.”

Records in San Diego federal court show that a James Jae Lee was sentenced in August 2003 to 18 months in federal prison for trying to smuggle an illegal immigrant in a hidden compartment in a car through the San Ysidro Port of Entry.

In a letter to the judge on the eve of his 2003 sentencing, Lee outlined a life that he said “was a nightmare for me.”...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/01/discovery-gunman-described-himself-loner-2003-san-/

Add "convicted felon" to what we know about Mr. Lee.

[Lightning Count]

36. So he railed agaist illegal immigration and was smuggling in illegal immigrants?

Link doesn't work for me.

[slackmaster]

37. He was obviously a conflicted and confused man

There's something in the link that the forum doesn't like.

Here it is in plain text.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/01/discovery-gunman-described-himself-loner-2003-san-/

[Old Troop]

41. Crazies come in all political stripes.

[proteus_lives]

42. +1