Qur'an burning: Nato troops shoot at Afghan protesters

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Source: Guardian


Thousands of worshippers poured on to the streets following Eid prayers, after which crowds attacked a Nato base. Photograph: Massoud Hossaini/AFP/Getty Images

Man reported to have been shot dead in Faizabad, northern Afghanistan, after crowds attack a Nato base

A protester against plans by a US pastor to burn copies of the Qur'an is reported to have been shot dead in northern Afghanistan after crowds attacked a Nato base.

The man was killed in Faizabad, the capital of Badakhshan, according to a provincial government spokesman, when thousands of worshippers poured on to the streets after Eid prayers in mosques.

The crowds were estimated to number around 10,000 people. Some had hurled stones at a Nato base run by Germans and a protester was shot when troops inside opened fire, the spokesman, Amin Sohail, said.

The Nato-led International Security Assistance Force in Kabul said it was aware of the protests and was investigating.


The Florida pastor who threatened to burn copies of the Qur'an on the anniversary of 9/11 has meanwhile "suspended" the event, amid conflicting claims over a deal involving a planned mosque near Ground Zero in New York.

The extremist preacher, Terry Jones, first said he had cancelled the bookburning, after condemnation by Barack Obama, the Pentagon, the state department and international outrage.



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[Botany]

1. Thank you Pastor Jones

you have done enough, now go away forever

[AsahinaKimi]

2. This is what happens

When a @$$#0!e gets on tv.

[wookie72]

34. You know, I can't read that phrase without thinking

"when you f**k a stranger in the *ss."

Thank you, Joel and Ethan, for corrupting my fragile mind.

[AlbertCat]

44. This is what happens

When people think that words printed on paper are somehow "magical".

The stupid, arrogant pastor thinks burning some pulp paper with characters printed on it is super symbolic, and the Muslims offended by it think so also (it takes two to tango), and all the other people outraged think so also. If they were burning copies of the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam no one would care.

The problem is religion.

How many atheists would shoot at people, or even get on TV and have the ear of the Prez. or the Sec. of Defense if they were burning copies of "The God Delusion"?

[AsahinaKimi]

59. "The problem is religion "

Do you really believe that if ALL religion disappeared tomorrow there would be no killings in the world? Greed is just as much a sort of religion as is arrogance.

[cleanhippie]

76. I don't think that was the point OR what he said.

[sabrina 1]

71. I guess you forgot that the U.S. is occupying two countries

right now and that we have killed over the past two decades over two million Muslims.

Without that background, no one would even know if this guy was burning the Koran.

If Muslims were atheists and this guy was making a big deal over burning their flag, the reaction would be exactly the same.

It is like going into someone's home and tearing apart their library. It is a sign of disrespect, a symbol of the mindset that is responsible for the slaughter of so many Muslims by Western forces.

But to some people, you included, it is not about all those dead babies and loved ones. It is all about religion. How sad and how arrogant to completely forget the dead, those we burned to death at Fallujah and the massive cluster-bombings at market places and wedding parties where the bodies of Muslim children were ripped apart and their grief-stricken parents had to sort through body parts to try find some remains to bury.

But to the black-and-white thinking, average safe-in-their-homes American it is 'all about religion'. Did you really buy that piece of propaganda? Did you really not think about this, that the media would never speak about the multitude of reasons for this because criminals and their mouth-pieces don't talk about their crimes?

How do you know that the man demonstrating there today didn't lose a child in that war? And that it wasn't about his child or mother, or neighbor that he was thinking about when he saw his religion about to be mocked so publicly? Statistics say that there is not a single citizen of Afghanistan who is not traumatized or physically maimed by war.

And then, we mock their religion, probably the only thing they have left to cling to. What a great country we are. Sometimes I am so ashamed of it.

[jobycom]

3. Pastor Jones has killed a man. nt

[customerserviceguy]

7. No, this man's irrational anger

at the possibility of damage to an object is what killed him.

If some fundie tries to attack cops who are assigned to protect the Park51 site, and they shoot him, are you going to say that Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf killed the idiot fundie?

[timo]

8. your asking alot

folks here rarely see that, guns are killers, and pencils make spelling errors regularly!!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

36. Then what are you doing in this wretched place?

A site where people are more right-thinking would be more pleasant to you.

[LanternWaste]

47. As would keyboards too, it appears...

"your asking alot (sic)"

"and pencils make spelling errors regularly!!"
As would keyboards too, it appears...

[boppers]

67. The Alot is Better Than You at Everything.

http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html

[cleanhippie]

78. Really?

GUNS are the killers? I thought it took a PERSON to make one operate, no?

[Turborama]

9. Apologize for Jones all you like

If he hadn't started this, these people would still be alive.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9106194#9108306

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[Turborama]

13. Different religion, different incident, different reaction.

Here's how Christians in Indonesia are reacting to this insane attention seeking idiot's behavior...



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[Turborama]

15. No, it wouldn't.

And you missed my point entirely.

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[Turborama]

28. It'd only be "interesting" for those who approve of Jones' insane attention seeking idiotic behavior

I didn't miss your "point" at all. Again, this is my reaction to it. (I intentionally highlighted a word to make it easier for you to understand ;-) )



Different religion, different incident, different reaction.

Here's how Christians in Indonesia are reacting to this insane attention seeking idiot's behavior...





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[Turborama]

30. You seem to think everyone in the world would react the same way you would.

Breaking News! They wouldn't.

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[Turborama]

32. Nope. It is an unoriginal thread hijack, though.

It's just yet another one of many recent attempts to use the "Piss Christ" thing as a defense of Jones' actions.

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[Turborama]

37. The American government cannot control "speech" in America

Another Breaking News Story! This is teh internetz.

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[LanternWaste]

48. You appear to be under the impression...

"We probably should ban any art or speech that may offend"

You appear to be under the impression that only laws may regulate or ban. The vast majority of bans and regulations come under the aegis of social and cultural mores which place pressure on peer groups and demographics to continue or discontinue a thing.

One of many reasons that I do not walk down the street calling everyone I encounter an ignorant, half-educated, sub-literate, knuckle-dragging Australopithecus'. I can with all due legal recourse, but social mores have placed a ban on that behavior.

Many people in the here and now call it 'the market place of ideas'. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

[Turborama]

51. There's also "The Golden Rule"

Which isn't actually a "law", either.

The Golden Rule or ethic of reciprocity is a maxim, an ethical code, or a morality, that essentially states any of the following (see examples below):

- One should treat others according to how one would like others to treat one's self (positive, passive form)
- Treat others as you would like to be treated (positive, active form)
- One should not treat others in ways one would not like to be treated (prohibitive, passive form)
- Do not treat others in ways you would not like to be treated (prohibitive, active form. Also called the Silver Rule)

More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule

[sabrina 1]

43. What would be even more interesting would be to see how

the same people here who are so prejudiced against Muslims would react if this country was occupied by a foreign army, if over two million Christians had been killed over the past two decades, thousands tortured and maimed and their resources stolen for profit. Then in the home country, let's say China was the occupying army, there was to be a ceremony burning the American flag.

That would be very interesting.

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[Turborama]

52. !

[sabrina 1]

70. Uber patriotism is a religion.

And it is never more of a religion than when a country is occupied by a foreign army. Strange that you really think we in America are different than Muslims. Are you saying that if we were occupied we would be nice, well-behaved citizens? I believe small groups of us would form militias and become 'terrorists' and there would as much zeal among those groups as there is in any religion.

We have killed over two million of their people. Some of them are a little pissed.

[sabrina 1]

42. I'm sure if a foreign army was occupying this country

and your friends went to demonstrate outside their headquarters you would cheer when one of your friends got shot and killed. An occupying army is not a civilian police force. You have some very mixed up concepts. We do not belong there. Is it really so hard for you to grasp that?

Jones is responsible for that man's death.

[customerserviceguy]

62. I'm perfectly fine with your conclusion that we do not belong there

as I feel the very same way. It's funny how this guy that was shot was more upset by what someone far away from him was doing to an inanimate object, than he was before that with the occupying army in his country.

When Islam has as much respect for women as it does for 'holy' books, then I will believe that it is truly a religion of peace.

[sabrina 1]

68. And you know he is not upset about an occupying army?

Seems to me he went to where he could find that army to demonstrate about the hatred being leveled at his people from the 'homeland' of the occupying army.

Just what would here if there was an occupying army here and the some radical lunatic in the homeland of that army was planning a hateful demonstration of this country.

You don't seem to be able to grasp the power of symbols especially under circumstances where an entire people are under assault from bigots.

Do you know any Muslim women? I do and knowing them made me realize not to assume that we in the West know anything about them at all. You are judging all Muslims by the propaganda we receive here which intentionally focuses on extremists. They feel the same way about their extremists as we feel about ours. And it wasn't so long ago, relatively, when the West treated women as second class citizens also. Even when this country was founded, it was not even considered that women could vote let alone run for office. And it took a long time for those changes to be made. Changes are being made in Muslim countries also. But our invasion of Iraq has set women back centuries. Bad as he was, under Saddam Hussein the fundies were kept in their place and women had equal rights AND equal pay which we are still working on here.

Now, in Iraq, thanks to our own Fundie President Bush, women no longer are safe doing what they did naturally before we crusaders smashed their country to pieces.

I cannot say it often enough, but no one in this country is in any position to criticize any other country. The U.S. needs to mind its own business and leave others to mind theirs.

[customerserviceguy]

73. Not as upset as he was this time

Look, I can understand people protesting police actions and invading armies. What I find disturbing is that some of them can moderate their anger enough to stay alive during their protests of those things, yet when you introduce desecration of a religious symbol, they go off the deep end far enough to risk their ability to continue a protest, by losing their lives.

If you think that Muslim women inside predominantly Muslim countries have it anywhere near as good as the Muslim women you know in the US, then you're sadly mistaken.

Also, as regards any US citizen's right to criticize what goes on in another country, I have just as much freedom to do that as I do to criticize anything in my own country. That 'mind your own business' thing was almost universally used to justify ignoring domestic violence in this country many years ago.

[jobycom]

46. That's so disgusting I don't know how to talk to you.

To someone, your loved ones are just objects. You don't have something you'd die for? Imam Feisal is trying to build something, not destroy something. He's not assualting anyone's religion, he's asking for equal tolerance and acceptance. Not even a comparison in the same ballpark. Pastor Jones is not just trying to destroy an object, he's trying to burn a cross on someone's lawn, he's trying to show his hatred of an entire people. They don't have the right to protest that? It's not even clear that the man who was killed was the one throwing rocks, so we don't know if he was controlling his anger or not.

I'm curious what you think of the people who were shot at Kent State, or the people who were fire-hosed in Selma. Were they irrationally angry because they were protesting, too?

To tell a Muslim that a Qur'an is just an object is either gross ignorance or crass bigotry.

[customerserviceguy]

63. That's what they tell Christians when 'artistes'

smear elephant dung on a statue of the virgin Mary, or submerge a crucifix in urine. And you know what? I agree. Burning a Koran in front of a camera is no worse than burning an American flag in front of a VFW hall.

Objects don't have rights, people do.

[ZombieHorde]

65. "To tell a Muslim that a Qur'an is just an object is either gross ignorance or crass bigotry."

Technically, the Qur'an is an arrangement of many objects, just like water and human babies. Therefore, people should not say the Qur'an is just an object, people should say the Qur'an is just a composite, or an arrangement.

[sabrina 1]

72. Do you have some special powers that make it possible for you

to just know things from thousands of miles away about someone you never heard of until today?

How do you know that he did not lose a child or several loved ones to one of our drones or cluster bombs or whatever else we are killing them with over there?

There is no citizen of that country who is not traumatized or physically maimed by war. The chances are very high that he has lost loved ones, and he is traumatized by war.

But you, from far, far away, safe as can be in your comfortable home, know exactly why he was there?

His country is occupied and some mindless fool decides to further insult him, to mock his religion on top of destroying his country. But to you it is simple. YOU are an all-knowing American and don't let anyone tell you that there is even a possibility you might be just plain wrong. Americans are never wrong, and they would never be violent! Over an object, a thing, a commodity, like OIL! :eyes:

Jones DID kill him. I hope he lives to have nightmares over it. But first he would have to develop some human traits, like a conscience.

[customerserviceguy]

74. I don't know what happened to him

But it appeared that the nutjob fundie FL preacher seemed to be the last straw for him, and not any of the other catastrophic things you mention.

I stand by my contention that people have rights, and objects don't. Anyone who is willing to lose their life over an object, as opposed to an ideal or the defense of one's own family is a damned fool.

[sabrina 1]

84. You don't know that the nutjob preacher was the last straw

for him either. He was DEMONSTRATING. In his own country. He may have demonstrated before. The people of Afghanistan have been holding huge demonstrations against the killing of their civilians for years. How do you know he wasn't a part of many of those demonstrations?

He had rights, rights that were violated long ago when two Super Powers decided to make a chessboard out of his country. How come you don't stand up for the rights of ALL people? Just Americans who in that man's case were the violators of the rights of millions of people?

'Over an object' ~ Like killing millions of people over OIL. Is the stealing of other people's resources, objects like OIL, an ideal ro the defense of anyone's family? We are there for oil, not for any ideal or in defense of anything.

He at least was in his own country and had a right to be there. Those who shot him did not.

[customerserviceguy]

86. Going to war over oil is stupid, too

I'm just trying to be consistent here.

As for invading another country, and killing people there, I feel that the 9/11 hijackers did just that. I oppose the building of the Park51 project on the same grounds that I opposed the nutjob fundie preacher's Koran burning, but I acknowledge that both have First Amendment freedoms to do either.

I would expect that someone so upset over Park51 that they would attempt to attack a security guard at the project would get shot at, too.

[Xenotime]

35. It's time to bring charges against him for his crimes.

[customerserviceguy]

64. That's what the radical Muslims of the world would like

They'd love to rip up our First Amendment any way they can, while using its protections to gain a foothold here. Once they would dominate, they'd impose their version of 'law' instead of our Constitution.

You think gay and lesbian people have it bad now? Wait until Sharia law takes over. Chances are excellent that we'll see it in a European country before we see it here.

[ObamaIn2012]

66. Burning the American flag is one thing, but burning the Quran just crosses the line

[Xenotime]

75. Thank you. The flag is just cloth where as the book has words and a message.

[customerserviceguy]

87. So, how do you feel about the tea partiers' use

of the "Don't Tread on Me" flag? That has words and a message, too.

[indimuse]

4. Blessed are the Peace keepers...

Nothing like spitting on all who fought and died for PEACE!

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[Lars77]

6. According to the BBC the shots were fired by private contractors nt

[Bragi]

18. Can't get more American than that

[rug]

10. Of course, if NATO, i.e. the U.S., was not in Afghanistan in the first place, this would not happen.

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[Bragi]

17. Jones is irrelevant now, so are US media

It's the jihadists that have been ramping up this campaign, and that's why these riots are happening and will continue.

They don't need Jones anymore, he's played his part, and they don't need US media to get their message out. They have their own propaganda outlets, and the Internet is their friend.

Korans will be burned, and mayhem will result. The 2010 Koran Burning Crisis is just beginning.

[sabrina 1]

45. The obsession with the Quran is all on our side. Why this obsession?

Why don't our fundies just do their own thing instead of obsessing over someone else's holy book? And here YOU are again, shifting the blame. Muslims didn't hire Jones did they? Who is 'they'? Who needed Jones? Maybe the MIC? After all they profit the most from keeping the great WOT going on. Certainly not Muslims who only have much to lose by our obsession with their holy book, their oil, their lands so strategically placed for Military bases in places where we can pursue our quest of oil?

The least important and the people with the least influence over all of this, are the extremists you speak of. All they get to do is react to what we do to their countries, their people, and to their Holy Book which we are so obsessed with. They were not pushing their religion on us. They did not invade our country or steal our resources.

You still don't get the fact that the blame for all of this begins with the invasions of these countries and the slaughter of their people. Can you even visualize 2,000.000 bodies? Proportionately if that was our country, it would be 20,000,000 dead Americans. Killed by a thieving invader who wanted our resources. And if we got a little upset over it, they would have the gall to call us extremists. Anyone who refuses to see this is only guaranteeing a continuation of it.

Michael Moore got it right. They do not hate us for our Freedom, they hate us for the Killing.

[totodeinhere]

58. When you talk about the excesses of the Western powers, such as invading Islamic countries and

slaughtering their people, you cannot blame all Westerners for that any more than you can blame all Muslims for 9/11. Yes, there have been excesses on both sides. We need a balanced discussion, rather than a one sided narrative that lambastes Christian extremists like Jones while barely mentioning Islamic extremists on the other side. There can be no excuse for violence carried out over the proposed burning of a book of fairy tales. Those who commit violence in the name of Islam are as nutty as Jones is. We need to condemn both sides.

[sabrina 1]

69. What I am doing is attempting to balance the

condemnation which in THIS country is ALL directed at Muslims. When do you see the war criminals even mentioned on our media? When they are it is to praise them, to ask for their advice.

The fact is the West CREATED Islamic extremists. The U.S. has killed 2,000,000 Iraqis over the past two decades. Nearly half of them children. I think people get a little upset over that many dead people.

Show me a comparable number of Westerners killed in that same time period by Muslims, and I will agree that we need to condemn equally.

How about we condemn it proportionately ~

How many Westerners have extremists killed over the past two decades? For argument's sake, including 9/11 let's say 5,000 - 6,000. How does that compare to over 2,000,000 in Iraq alone which doesn't include Afghanistan and Pakistan?

All I hear in this country is condemnation of Islamic extremists. Can you point to some mainstream news media condemnation of the killing of millions of Muslims? I have not seen a single news report condemning those deaths. I do remember once upon a time, a single reporter at least raising the issue with Madeleine Albright. 'Do you feel that the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it'? At least that reporter had thought about the magnitude of the slaughter. And she said that it was worth it. What was worth it? Oil? That is extremism, it is mind-boggling arrogance, the diminishing of those lives because WE wanted their oil. How much more extreme can you get?

And if I were an Iraqi parent of one of those children, no matter how peaceful I had been previously, I cannot say how I might react first to the slaughter of my child then to the total dismissal of that child's life as if it had no value.

And you object to one comment on a blog attempting to remind people of those millions of dead human beings. The chances are that if there had been no killing of Muslims, there would be no killing of Westerners.

I am sick to death of the mantra that 'there are two equal sides to every story'. There are two SIDES, but they are not equal and Americans will one day have to face up to what was done in their names. They seem oblivious to what has caused extremism as they blindly condemn violence by others as if they themselves were completely innocent.

There is no more violent extremism than the U.S. Government right now. And if people want to bury their heads in the sand and try forget it, they will continue to be puzzled by the fact that there are people who hate us. Again, as Michael Moore said so succinctly 'they don't hate us for our freedoms, they hate us for the killing'. At least one American is wide awake.

If we don't want the blowback, maybe we should stop killing people in other countries.

Sorry but from outside this country it isn't hard for people to understand that the West created terrorism. I don't know why Americans are in such a state of denial over it. There is nothing equal about it. We went to war in two countries to get revenge for 9/11. And we are shocked at them for seeking revenge? It is hypocrisy beyond belief.

I do condemn violence, all of it. But to end it people must recognize what is causing it.

[totodeinhere]

82. Nice try but it doesn't work.

The US has not killed 2 million Iraqis. You are probably trying to make the case that the US should be blamed for deaths among the Iraqi people caused by the economic sanctions that were placed on Iraq in response to Saddam Hussein's refusal to abide by UN resolutions. You can't blame that on the US. The blame lies with Saddam Hussein. The US under more than one administration participated in sanctions that were mandated by legal UN resolutions.

But be that as it may, what we are talking about here is violence threatened by Muslims over the burning of a book of fairy tails. While we didn't kill 2 million Iraqis, I will be the first to admit that there have been excesses and mistakes in US foreign policy carried out under both Democrats and Republicans. But that's not what we are talking about here. There is no justification for violence. Great men like Gandhi and Martin Luther King have proven that. Islamic violence will only make things worse, not better.

Yes, Jones is an ignorant bigot. But in this country we have the freedom to be bigots if we want to and that doesn't justify death threats aimed at Americans from people in other countries.

[sabrina 1]

85. You should read your own post again.

You say there is not excuse for violence, then you call our killing of Iraqis 'excesses and mistakes'. Again, so innocent we are. We just made a mistake when we killed those people, over and over again. Who could blame us? We didn't know that bombs and drones kill people. Did you see the Wikileaks video they tried to hide? What are the excuses for that? Or a better question, if that had been Islamic Extremists laughing and joking over the video game killing of those people, what would the reaction have been?

Over 300,000 Iraqis were killed in the first Gulf war, and yes, knowingly causing the deaths of half a million children because you refuse to provide for them, when that decision is in your hands, you are responsible. Especially when the reason OIL. Children for OIL. Saddam Hussein was a U.S. creation and ally. They knew what he was and THAT is why they hired him. They hired a hitman to run a country for them and assassinated the elected leader in order to install their thug. Knowing full well what he would do. Was that just an excess or a mistake? Sen. Byrd, before they went to war warned them that many innocent Iraqis would die. There is no way to claim innocence for those murders.

Even if I agreed on the starvation of that many children which I don't, we are still looking at over one million deaths in Iraq alone. Based on lies. And for nothing more than OIL.


'There is no justification for violence' Then I assume you are among the very few Americans who opposed and still opposes the 'Good War' in Afghanistan? You don't think we were justified by 9/11 in seeking revenge by invading and killing the people of Afghanistan? We certainly weren't there to get who we claim was the culprit. The released Wikileak docs show that the U.S. knew where he was several times and did nothing about it. If you do condemn that violence, you will find youself very much in the minority in this country. But if not, then your statement about violence is hypocrisy as are all the official statements of this Government uttering the same words. 'No justification for violence'. I agree. I opposed both wars for that reason.

'We have the freedom to be bigots' yet we condemn their bigotry. Don't they have that freedom also? 'All men are created equal'? I'm not sure what your opinion of other people's right to be bigots is.

Sorry, the only reason it doesn't work for YOU, is because you cannot face the awful truth of what this country has unleashed on the world, NOT by 'mistakes and excesses' but by a criminal disregard for human life and huge regard for profits. I understand, it is an awful responsibility that has been placed on the American people by their extremist government.

Our violence and brutality = noble but sometimes a bit excessive because of mistakes. Collateral damage explains the civilian deaths.

Their violence = completely inexcusable and all resulting deaths are murder.

Where we disagree is that I think both ours and theirs is inexusable and that all those responsible should be brought to justice. And the sooner that happens, the more likelihood the violence will end.

But justice is not being sought, just more killing and violence and now the world has been told that our extremists (and anyone who doesn't believe that the entire PNAC mob are extremists, one of whom advocated the complete conflagration of the entire ME, an adviser to our own fundie President on his crusade, is just willfully blind) will not be punished, we are to move forward and forget and it looks like for Americans amnesia has already set in. And all I am doing is reminding people of what WE on the left, USED to call murder, when THEY on the right were calling it civilian deaths 'mistakes' but well-intentioned.

[Lars77]

19. Koran-burning protests sweep Afghanistan

Source: BBC

"Three people were shot and wounded when private security guards opened fire on stone throwers outside a Nato base in Badakhshan province, police said."

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11258739

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I swear these lunatics on each side are looking to hurl the world into a global religious war.

[HereSince1628]

20. Unfortunately, that's the power of nightmares

at work.

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22. Do you have a link to that?

I'd like to see that.

Thanks.

:hi:

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[Odin2005]

24. Take your off-topic spam to the 9/11 dungeon.

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[harvey007]

26. It's the cost of free speech

"ACLU Defends Koran Burning as "Ugly"... but Free Speech"

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20016003-10391695.html

[Bragi]

27. Good for them! I approve! /nt

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[Turborama]

40. FUCK OFF!

[jberryhill]

41. Pepperoni? /nt

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[slackmaster]

53. It's their religion. Remember the lesson Captain Cook learned in the Hawaiian Islands

You don't fuck with their religion.

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55. I agree with Karl Marx on this topic.

While I support the concept of freedom of religion, religion is indeed the opiate of the masses and so much harm has been done in the name of religion, whether it be Islam or Christianity or any other religion. I wish that both Jones and the Islamic extremists abroad could realize that.

[slackmaster]

56. Have you ever tried to take smack away from a junkie?

It's generally not a good idea.

[PavePusher]

57. Have any Christian Bibles ever been destroyed in S.W. Asia?

If so, did anyone get killed for it? Did anyone hold riots about it?

Why should any religios fringe get a pass on stupid excuses for violence?

[Turborama]

60. "Why should any religios fringe get a pass on stupid excuses for violence?"They don't

That's just made up shit to go along with apologetics for this fuckwit in Florida. Along with the bibles/Piss Christ/painting with pooh on it analogies: red herrings.

Seems like this Jones asshole is getting plenty of "free passes", though. He must feel really special with all the support he's getting.

[PavePusher]

61. I don't make any excuses for the Rev.

But it's hardly a reason to make death threats, issue fatwa's, etc.

The whole issue is stupid all around, and if the MSM (and us) would stop bashing it around, it wouldn't be an issue.

On that note, I think I'll set an example and drop the subject in the dirt where it belongs.

[Xenotime]

77. Charge Jones for this man's death.

[cleanhippie]

79. Charge him with what?

[Xenotime]

80. For his death..

He is the accomplice to murder.

[cleanhippie]

81. He is? How can that be?

Thats like me not liking your comments here on DU and killing a DU member that is close to me out of anger. By your logic, that makes YOU an accomplice to murder, no?

[totodeinhere]

83. You have apparently set yourself up as his judge, jury and executioner.

That's not the way it works in this country. Unless he is charged with murder and convicted, which I doubt very seriously will happen, he is not guilty of murder.