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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 06:10 PM
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Scientists Find Thick Layer Of Oil On Seafloor
Edited on Sat Sep-11-10 06:11 PM by kpete
Source: NPR

Scientists Find Thick Layer Of Oil On Seafloor

by Richard Harris

September 10, 2010

Scientists on a research vessel in the Gulf of Mexico are finding a substantial layer of oily sediment stretching for dozens of miles in all directions. Their discovery suggests that a lot of oil from the Deepwater Horizon didn't simply evaporate or dissipate into the water — it has settled to the seafloor.

The Research Vessel Oceanus sailed on Aug. 21 on a mission to figure out what happened to the more than 4 million barrels of oil that gushed into the water. Onboard, Samantha Joye, a professor in the Department of Marine Sciences at the University of Georgia, says she suddenly has a pretty good idea about where a lot of it ended up. It's showing up in samples of the seafloor, between the well site and the coast.

"I've collected literally hundreds of sediment cores from the Gulf of Mexico, including around this area. And I've never seen anything like this," she said in an interview via satellite phone from the boat.

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It's very clearly a fresh layer. Right below it she finds much more typical seafloor mud. And in that layer, she finds recently dead shrimp, worms and other invertebrates.

Read more: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129782098&sc=17&f=1001
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 06:19 PM
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1. Knew this was coming

It didn't just vanish as BP was trying to tell us.

K&R!

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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 07:20 PM
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54. exactly!
I knew it the moment they started saying "oh the oil just vanished/dispersed"

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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 06:31 PM
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2. This will be a challenge to clean up...
an impossible challenge.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 06:32 PM
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3. the average life span of American interest
is 48 hours. Then if it is something that hasn't effected them personally they'll move on to the next big thing.

but wait, oil eating microbes might have left that layer there?:sarcasm:
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 10:43 PM
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28. Lazy bacteria! bt
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 06:35 PM
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4. Water is near freezing down there
so it will be there a while. It will eventually decompose and work its way into the seafloor, but there will be some delayed food chain effects in the near and medium future.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 06:37 PM
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5. Its one of the purposes of dispersant -.
to form tar balls which sink to the sea floor. Looks like it was successful. The tarballs degrade with time due to friction amongst other things.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 07:12 PM
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9. Well than everythig is just peachy, drill here drill now, drill baby drill
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 07:14 PM
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 10:38 PM
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26. Just to bad they cant breed those deep ocean tubeworms that eat
oil, they could maybe help with the mess then assuming the dispersant of course isnt toxic to them.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 07:01 AM
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39. So it will change form And?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 02:55 PM
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 03:46 PM
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49. How about the side effects of the dispersant
which is toxic? I don't think it was worth it and maybe you should ask some sick shrimpers and fishermen in the Gulf if it was worth it?
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metapunditedgy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 07:01 PM
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6. It's "business as usual" until BP execs are in jail. n/t
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 10:43 PM
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27. BINGO! n/t
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metapunditedgy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 12:13 AM
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29. Spread the word... there doesn't seem to be much interest anywhere for justice
for rich, white oil execs.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 10:49 AM
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41. It will be business as usual until capitalism is eradicated -
it's not like those bad actors couldn't have come from any of the oil companies. It is the system that encourages the deviant behavior.
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metapunditedgy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:59 AM
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44. I disagree. Justice for BP execs would be a major change in the way things are done
in this country. There are serious systemic problems, but a little bit of justice (for once) would be an important step forward.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 05:35 PM
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51. Criminals never think they are going to get caught.
As long as the system encourages greed/profit as motive there will be incentive to try to get away with it.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 07:08 PM
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7. Must have been loaded with oil eating Microbes,
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 09:30 PM
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24. which were....
....genetically constructed with oil-absorbing lead-pellets in there bellies....
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sasquuatch55 Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 06:39 PM
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53. Oil eating Microbes, although real, the propaganda as the "Great Solution" to the problem is rampant
nt
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 07:09 PM
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8. Out of sight, out of mind.
Wonder how much longer we'll be seeing all those nice regular folks on TV who are going to "make it right."
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 07:22 PM
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11. Wonder if they could vacuum it up?
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 07:59 PM
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12. Gee, I wonder if BP will run a commercial about THAT.
Because it's not as if they ain't running enough commercials right now telling us how concerned they are.
IF we find oil, we'll clean it up says Iris Cross of BP who is on my TV every 20 minutes.

HEY BP.
WE FOUND OIL NOW CLEAN IT UP ASSHOLES.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 08:04 PM
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13. Why does this not surprise me?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 08:25 PM
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14. I fear it is only the tip of the iceberg
The food chain, what about it?
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 06:26 AM
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38. Food chain - what a quaint schoolbook idea. When BP writes the schoolbooks, problem solved!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 08:40 PM
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15. This is yet another reason why using that dispersent was nothing more than an attempt at PR.
It does *not* in any way shape or form help clean this mess up, which is better done at the top of the ocean, not the bottom.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 08:43 PM
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16. BP never intended to do jack shit about any of this
all they really care about is their damn stock and how they can jack it back up so the pensioners will get their money and stay in lock step with them be assured! Nothing else is important to them but that! The way they have treated our country and its citizens pisses me off fiercely!! :mad:

TONY HAYWARD ROT IN HELL!

:kick:

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 08:55 PM
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17. And the new CEO, supposedly an American, is even worse than Hayward, imho.
Edited on Sat Sep-11-10 08:59 PM by w4rma
The temptation to do evil must be extremely great for people that make the kind of money CEOs make. I have a theory that CEOs don't get paid the kind of big bucks that they get paid to be good stewards of their companies, but instead make the huge dollar amounts that they make to ignore ethics and morals and destroy anything and everyone who might in some small way damage their stock prices.

I don't like this theory, because it would mean that the more income someone makes the more sociopathic one becomes. With a very few exceptions, it appears to be correct, however.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 09:02 PM
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18. it all boils down to the same culprit IMO
and that is Wall Street. Period.

I was watching the message board for BP while all of this has been going on. They've recovered nicely now and the pensioners are happy. http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=bp

It is blood money plain and simple.

How many more must die? First our troops and now our planet and we shall follow along with the other "species" which are rapidly become extinct.

God this sickens me to no end. :puke: again ...

:kick:

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 07:21 AM
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40. Well, indirectly and partially. Wall Street is in NYC. We have 3 branches of government centered
in D.C., all of which have been very complicit.

And we don't hold the ones we elect accountable anywhere near as much as we should, especially if we see them as "one of us."

Blaming Wall Street is convenient because it lets you and me off the hook, given we are not in charge of hiring for Wall Street firms. However, we were in charge of hiring people who write laws and regulations, who failed to enforce laws and regulations against BP and others, and who gave BP permission for this drilling operation, despite numerous prior violations.

Inconvenient truth: You and I share the responsibility, along with the losses. We just don't share in much of the upside, except to the extent that supply side works--and that's looking mighty played out these days.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 10:50 AM
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42. Actually the culprit is capitalism -
but you were close.
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civilisation Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 09:03 PM
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19. as if oil evaporates,. . really?
I been saying this since the stupendous claims of oil being magicly gone,. oil just dont evaporate, the more volatile elements perhaps,. but the tar and dense hydrocarbons not at all,. the claims happily spread by the useless, so called, news networks would be just plain funny, if they where not such sad indicators of how our "news" reporters are nothing but corporate lie speakers.
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Kringle Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 02:04 AM
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34. umm, pour some gasoline on the sidewalk, see what happens .nt
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 03:08 AM
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35. pour some crude oil on the sidewalk and see what happens
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Kringle Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 03:34 AM
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36. half will evaporate, so what? .nt
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 03:40 AM
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37. What is the residue? n/t
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 12:14 PM
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45. So ... If I took a pile of shiat ....
and then removed half of it, you are prepared to call the remaining half dinner ?


Yeah ... You said it : So what ? .... Well here is so what :


Take one large measure of noxious material, remove half, and what do you have ?


LOTS and LOTS of remaining noxious material ....


Some of the oil corp apologists here ... I swear ....
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 09:03 PM
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20. Sorry for my ignorance, but I thought oil floats on water, not sinks....
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 09:09 PM
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21. When it's not mixed with 'dispersent' it floats. Binding it with 'dispersent' makes it sink. (nt)
Edited on Sat Sep-11-10 09:10 PM by w4rma
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 09:14 PM
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22. This household has sworn off eating all the lovely tasty bottom feeders.
Edited on Sat Sep-11-10 09:15 PM by truedelphi
Supposedly the supermarkets in California must tell you where the seafood comes from, but I am too cynical to believe that the label would always tell the truth.
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NJGeek Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 09:21 PM
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23. uhhh yeah - is this news?
where did everyone think the oil was going to go?
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Joey Kidd Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 10:15 PM
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25. "where did everyone think the oil was going to go?"
When Obama took a dive it was supposed to be transubstantiated into pure H2O !
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 03:56 PM
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50. It was supposedly being eaten by a new oil-eating microbe, according to a BP-funded lab.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 12:18 AM
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30. Holy shit! Shocking news.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 12:55 AM
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31. i was told on very good authority bacteria had increased their metabolic rates & eaten all the oil.
when i questioned that story, i was told i was scientifically illiterate and should educate myself.

so your story obviously must be false.

AMY GOODMAN:

Interestingly, a new scientific study claiming that oil-eating microbes have drastically reduced the amount of oil from the BP well blowout in the Gulf—this news recently came in. Researchers at California’s Lawrence Berkeley National Lab say the microbes appear to have multiplied in number and increased their metabolic capacity to eat up much of the oil spilled in the Gulf.

The findings contradict several recent studies showing much of the oil remains in the Gulf. But they would bolster the Obama administration’s controversial assertions that much of the oil has in fact disappeared.

Now the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab has extensive ties to both BP and the U.S. government. In 2007, the lab received the bulk of a controversial $500 million science grant from BP that went to the University of California. The Lawrence Berkeley lab’s director at the time was Steven Chu, who now heads the Department of Energy, which also partially funds the lab. Lisa Graves?

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/10/why_is_oil_giant_bp_helping
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 07:32 PM
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55. Yes, we were lumped together with global warming deniers and flat earth believers.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 01:11 AM
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32. K&R --
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 01:35 AM
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33. Duh. In other news...
Edited on Sun Sep-12-10 01:36 AM by GoddessOfGuinness
The universe really wasn't created in 6 days.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:56 AM
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43. K&Rnt.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 01:23 PM
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46. K&R Anyone who thought that BP and the government were telling the
truth about the oil are damn fools.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 02:58 PM
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48. So it didn't evaporate or get eaten up by the bacteria
It's still there and needs to be acknowledged and addressed.

Sweeping it under the rug, or in this case ignoring it while the sand spreads a thin layer of seafloor on top isn't making it go away. And it still has a negative impact on the food chain.

Thanks for still posting updates on this kpete.

I went to see Dr John last night and he's not letting it go either, not Katrina, not Iraq, not BP. He played a very political set and has updated lyrics to his song "Black Gold" to add his views on what BP has done and show how it's connected.

Found a video here with that if anyone is interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFTBfAqzUKY
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Yeahyeah Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 06:14 PM
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52. ABC today
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