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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:01 AM
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Bomb Kills Five U.S. Soldiers West of Baghdad
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 03:43 AM by bluestateguy

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115703,00.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq — A bomb exploded under an American military vehicle west of Baghdad (search) on Wednesday, killing five U.S. soldiers, the military said.

The bomb was on a road in Anbar (search) province and blew up when the vehicle ran over it, U.S. Army Col. Jill Morgenthaler said. Anbar encompasses Fallujah (search), Ramadi (search) and other towns where anti-U.S. insurgents are active.

Witnesses said they also saw rebels fire small arms at two civilian four-wheel drive cars in Fallujah. The five people in the cars were killed and their vehicles were set on fire, said Safa Mohammedi, a local resident.

more

edit: updated information

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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:04 AM
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1. jesus
I hope this is some kind of mistake. 5 killed by one IED is a terrible thing.
Scott
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:10 AM
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3. It is a mistake to keep US troops in Iraq for some "peace with honor"
We should withdraw the troops as quickly as possible, and let the Iraqi people take charge of their own affairs without anymore American meddling.

The irony is that the US helped bring Saddam Hussein's Ba'ath Party to power in Iraq, and that the US (and Britain) in the 1980s conspired to break their own laws in order, in the words of a Congressional inquiry, to "secretly court Saddam Hussein with reckless abandon", giving him almost everything he wanted, including the means of making biological weapons.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,232986,00.html
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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:13 AM
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5. you'll get no argument from me Indiana
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:25 AM
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13. Turkey, Iran
We're there, there is no Iraqi army and we're the only thing keeping Iraq from a civil war which could turn into a regional war.

It sucks that Bush, the Republicans and all the spineless Democrats who were running for reelection in 2002 got us into the situation, but we're there.

Are you thinking that a civil/regional war would not be the result of pulling out before other security arrangements were made? Or is it just tough luck for Iraqis?

... 5 soldiers in one IED totally sucks ... I wonder if it was because it was new/bigger or just "lucky" if you can call it that.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:55 AM
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23. That would be immoral, and it has nothing to do with honor
We've made such a mess out of that country that it is our obligation to do everything we can to make it right. Not that this is what we're really attempting to do at the moment, but it IS what we should be doing, and some semblance of order comes from our presence regardless of our ineptitude and interested motives.

Nobody's going to come in and save them right now because of our unilateral grabbiness, and there's no government and precious little in the way of adequate policing. WE DID THIS TO THEM, and they are the aggrieved party. Although the gangsters who control our country want us to hang with them to somehow lend legitimacy to their thievery, that shouldn't--and can't--dissuade us from doing the decent thing. To leave now would cause mayhem and bloodshed that we can hardly imagine, not to mention ushering in some messy "government" that would be of no help to anyone.

We can't be selfish about this, and regardless of the ugliness that got us there, we owe it to the Iraqis and their neighbors to segue into something that's not awful.

We broke it, and we gotta pay for it. We also have to keep our grabby little hands off of their riches, as if that'll ever happen.

It sucks in so many ways that it's sad to even think about it, but the last thing we can do is leave anytime soon. Forcing a politically expedient "sovereignty" onto them on July 1st will backfire, but may be containable for the sake of the election; that is, after all, the plan.

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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:15 AM
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27. Sorry, but that is imperialistic thinking...
Why do you assume that Iraqis can't solve their own problems? How does imposing "peace" on Iraq change anything? Will it prevent Sunni Muslims hating Shi'ites? Will it prevent Shi'ites hating Sunnis? Will it prevent a civil war further down the track?

Or do you suggest keeping US troops in Iraq forever?

Pulling out of Iraq MAY result in a civil war, but THAT is what self-determination is about. The US is the result of a civil war, and Americans are PROUD of that fact. Why shouldn't Iraqis be able to determine their own future?
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:36 AM
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82. Complex situations defy simple solutions
Yes, my approach smacks of colonialism, but I'd still say it's necessary to avert chaos. To exit abruptly and leave a vacuum would leave more unnecessarily dead bodies in our wake.

We need to seriously and sincerely build government and police institutions there, with an eye to ceding our authority FOR REAL. That latter is probably not going to happen, and the thugs who got us into it probably chuckle at my fellow-traveling, but the idea that we should be selfish and save our troops is to completely miss our obligation here: we started this, and we can't leave it a holy mess just for the sake of "making a point" or "saving the boys".

Everything that happens there is OUR fault. We are Americans, and whether we feel absolved of the actions of the usurping monarchists, it's still being done in our name; we benefit from it and we suffer for it. The idea that we can skate on the obligation is nothing short of unfair.
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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:27 AM
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94. I'm not American so I'm not saying "save our boys"
What I am saying is Iraqis are going to die whether it is Americans or other Iraqis doing the shooting. The US started this, and there is NO stopping it.

So no matter what happens Iraqis have a violent future ahead of them at least in the medium term. The ONLY thing US troops are doing in Iraq is securing Iraq's resources for exploitation by foreign corporations. Basically, America is getting PAID to kill Iraqis.

That is FAR WORSE than leaving Iraq to the Iraqis and letting them solve their own problems. Hell, the Iraqis may even find a way of solving their problems without a civil war...
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:27 AM
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50. I can buy into your sense of reasoning.
"We broke it, we gotta pay" How about getting Halliburton out of there and let the Iraqis rebuild their country? How about getting the troops out of there? The U.S troops are the object of hatred? The Iraqis want to be free, they don't want our type of democracy.

Why can't we learn from the 1920 British mistakes? All hell is about to break loose.

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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:45 AM
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65. How about 'bush broke it, he must pay'.....
I'm a democrat and not in the 'we' of bush. This is bush's war, only. His way or the highway, stubborn little bastard.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:35 PM
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86. Meant to say "can't"
I can't buy into that sense of reasoning. \

My Bad. I agree with you.
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:04 AM
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81. Take up the White Man's Burden
Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half-devil and half-child.

...

Take up the White Man's burden--
No tawdry rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper--
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go mark them with your living,
And mark them with your dead.

...

*This famous poem, written by Rudyard Kipling and was a response to the American take over of the Philippines after the Spanish-American War in 1899.

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:33 PM
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93. If * ever read this (which I doubt)
he must not have realized that Kipling was being savagely ironic. The chimp still thinks this way. His thinking, like his family's wealth and power, is pure 19th century imperialism.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:22 AM
Response to Reply #3
39. But Wait--- we are on the CUSP of winning
I agree, up until last year it was their country not Halliburton's
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:50 AM
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43. THE COST
Melody Roop, center, the mother of U.S. Marine Cpl. Andrew D. Brownfield, embraces the U.S. flag that draped her son's coffin Monday, March 29, 2004, at Holy Cross Cemetery in Akron, Ohio. Brownfield died March 18 in a mortar attack at an air base northwest of Baghdad. (AP Photo/ Haraz Ghanbari




The CHIMPANZEE was working his economic miracle while this was going on.
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rfkrocks Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:02 AM
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47. Saigon-thanks for the sad picture
Its so important to put faces on the dead-hell our friggin country is so drugged out on pop culture they don't even notice the fallen next door.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:53 AM
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53. Awful ....terribly sad. We shouldn't be there.
The chickenhawks said it would be a glorious cakewalk. They lied to get their glorious war. Now we are stuck in a quagmire. And to think the Commander-in-Chief made jokes about his spurious reasons for this war. These are sad days in America. We must oust this evil corporate cabal. The stupid citizens that support this government share the blame for these tragedies.
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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:07 AM
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2. yahoo link
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20040331/ts_nm/iraq_attack_dc
By Lunaville calculations that would put this months lost soldiers at 50.. We've got to find an end to this damnit!!!
Scott
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:19 AM
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37. corpses hung from bridge and dragged through the streets
from the yahoo link:

"Other pictures showed chanting Iraqis dragging a badly burned corpse through the streets and fanning the flames on a body by dousing it with petrol. Witnessess said two corpses were also hung from a bridge and later taken down."

hmmm,,, pretty gruesome stuff. Can't say I'm surprised when you attack, bomb, invade and occupy someone else's home.



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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:10 AM
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4. Other media are saying "coalition" fatalities
Whatever that means.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:20 AM
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9. Faux is the only one (at this point) saying fatalities are US...
...but the others are saying that the area is patrolled predominately US Marines (which means Faux is probably right).

Lunaville.org will put this at 50 fatalities this month (599 fatalities total since the beginning of the war)
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:30 AM
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16. coalition fatalities make exactly 700
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 03:31 AM by shockingelk
No appropriate "700 Club" joke comes to mind.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:08 AM
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35. Give * time. nft

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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:21 AM
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38. Yahoo/AP= Bomb Kills Five U.S. Soldiers in Iraq
Bomb Kills Five U.S. Soldiers in Iraq
1 hour, 17 minutes ago

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A bomb exploded under a U.S. military vehicle west of Baghdad on Wednesday, killing five soldiers, the military said. At least four people, including one American and possibly other foreign nationals, were killed in a separate attack. Crowds burned and mutilated their bodies.

snip

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=1&u=/ap/20040331/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_soldiers_killed
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:49 AM
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31. It's the newest right wing media trick.
For months, "Coalition" meant soldiers other than US. But the right wing media doesn't want the US populace to know that five US soldiers died in the oil for blood war, so they use the term "Coalition" to now also include US fatilities.

CNN is still using "Coalition" on their website at 5AM EDT.
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huellewig Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:18 AM
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6. Just another day..
in Baghdad. It's time to get the UN in there and give this operation some legitimacy. I would hate to see the US bail, this is our mess after all. We have to do our best to help the people of Iraq now. I just can't see things working out without true international support.. sigh..
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:21 AM
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10. Why not leave and...
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 03:22 AM by ezmojason
pay reparations to fund an international effort.

Things are getting worse day by day.

How do you tell a mother her son is the last to die for a lie?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:25 AM
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11. Hi huellewig
Welcome to DU! :hi:

Sure wish my welcome to you were under better circumstances. But this news crystallizes why we're all here at DU - to prevent further atrocities from being committed in our name by defeating the Chimp in November.

Anyhow, glad you're with us!:thumbsup:
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:25 AM
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12. Tough getting international support when...
Bush* has managed to squander any good will we might have had. "If you're not with us, You're against us" is lousy foreign policy.

Welcome to DU.
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huellewig Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:51 AM
Response to Reply #12
22. Amen BrotherBuzz..
Thanks for the warm welcome.

The first step we need to take is get Bush the fuck out of office. That binary shit was a huge mistake. I think the rest of the world realizes that crap was Bush. Some new blood in the White House might help America regain some respect in our global community..
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:30 AM
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17. Sweet post and Welcome to DU!
Have you checked in at DK's website. We were wrong to go in, it is wrong to stay. For heavens sake.

Thanks once again.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:19 AM
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7. Tragic.
Where are all the "Kick their ass and take their gas." morans now.

US out now.

Don't let another die for Bush's folly.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:20 AM
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8. So does that make 600 now?
They were at 594 or 595 earlier today. How long till we hit 1000 at this rate?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:26 AM
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14. 599 as per lunaville.org
This sucks... :(
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:11 AM
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73. Updated--600
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:27 AM
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15. I'll take that (January 18)
Including this recent bombing, if the casualties continue at the same rate they have since May 1 of last year when Baby Bush declared major comabt "over", we will reach 1000 dead by January 18, 2005, which is hopefully two days before Baby Bush leaves office.
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Magical Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:36 AM
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18. Heartbreaking
I read this and literally felt a wave of grief flow thru me for these soldiers and their families. How many children without fathers, wives without husbands, parents without their children, grandparents losing their grandchildren is it going to take ?

This feeling of grief was followed by utter rage at those responsible for this illegal, unnecessary war.

Boycott the media. Vote with your dollars.
Everyone CANCEL the cable TV NOW and write comcast as to why. I did.
Find a way to protest. Call your senators.
Make a sign. Wear a button.

This MUST not stand.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #18
71. You Got It!
The ONLY way to stop the insanity
is withdraw ALL economic support from the
corporate monsters running this merry-go-round
from hell.
Think bus boycott, MLK.
Question is, could spoiled Americans live
with out their creature comforts long enough...
Sadly I doubt even 1% of them would even
be willing to try and therefore will continue to
send their children to die.
And so it is.
BHN
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:37 AM
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19. Thanks for the news.
You have to wonder what the magic number is going to be for Bush.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:39 AM
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20. Fuck Bush and his Fucking Re-Election War.
And that's all I have to say about that.

:-(
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benfranklin1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:20 AM
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29.  I echo your sentiments.
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 04:20 AM by benfranklin1776
Its the senseless waste of human life like this that makes me all the angrier when the person who sent these people there uses the alleged reason for their being there as material for a juvenile comedy routine. To these people, and all of those who have died, it was a matter of deadly seriousness not fodder for cheap laughs by a would-be king and his jesters.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:43 AM
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21. Photos
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 03:56 AM by bluestateguy
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huellewig Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:13 AM
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26. Slick Rick draws a blank..
Pictures like this really put things in perspective. God, I feel bad for everyone involved. This is fucked up. Imagine if this was on your (our) soil. Our troops are fucked, the Iraq's are fucked. Thanks www.halliburton.com

And I sit back eating Doritos and drinking Pabst while looking at death on the internet. I just don't know what to do?? How can we make this stop??
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:26 AM
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40. another

Iraqis mutilate a burnt body of a dead man believed to be a US citizen who was inside a car attacked in the flashpoint town of Fallujah, west of Baghdad. At least two people believed to be Americans were killed when gunmen opened fire on two four-wheel-drive vehicles in Fallujah, police said.(AFP/Karim Sahib)


some pretty gruesome photos at yahoo's slideshow under "Iraq"

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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 07:01 AM
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44. Holy shit
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Rebel_with_a_cause Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:06 AM
Response to Reply #40
48. Yeah, well, you'd think....


I'll bet * has a real "knee-slapper" lined up to mollify Americans after today's events in "back to normal" Iraq.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 07:27 PM
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88. These dead people probably had families
at home, just like the Iraqi people we have killed in this occupation. Both are equally tragic. I would have to believe that even these bush people must privately be thinking that this was the biggest mistake since the German invasion of Russia.

The people in that part of Iraq aren't fooling around, expect a lot more of this in the coming years.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:03 AM
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24. What a waste
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:07 AM
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25. Could'a been avoided if Bush had told the truth about Iraq & WMD's. n/t
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:16 AM
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28. More attacks = more success on the ground...
Where did this stupid line from the a$$hole in chief go?
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:45 AM
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30. This just PISSES ME OFF!!
No matter where they are from they are somebody's son/daughter, mother/father,sister/brother, aunt/uncle, friend, neighbor, coworker. Fuck this illegal war. Fuck Bush and the administration he rode in on.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:54 AM
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32. 599 Dead. We're one away from a new Benchmark.
Woooohooooo!!!!

:puke:

Per Lunaville, which reported the last US soldier death toll at 594, and hasn't been updated since this news, US soldier deaths now stands at 599.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Karl Rove busted out the Kristal.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:09 AM
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33. I wonder if they are counting the Corp armies?
We know our side do not count every day people. Whole thing is foolish. Oz Cheney and boy Bush have done a job on this country. Those two will be long dead and this country will be still trying to live this one down.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:28 AM
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34. All Hell is Breaking Loose... 7 Occupation Soldiers Dead...Update...
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/854E5652-C575-4409-B627-DE92D9E540E5.htm

<snip>
Many occupation soldiers killed in Iraq

Wednesday 31 March 2004, 13:00 Makka Time, 10:00 GMT


At least seven occupation soldiers have been killed in separate incidents outside of Baghdad.

In one incident, soldiers hit an explosive device while driving in a vehicle in the province of al-Anbar, a US military official told Aljazeera on Wednesday.

Army officials refused to reveal the nationalities of those killed but the area is occupied by US forces.

Near the restive town of Ramadi, west of Baghdad, at least two US soldiers were killed and three others were injured when their Hummer hit an explosive device, eyewitnesses told our correspondent.

In a separate incident also west of Baghdad, four foreigners were killed when their vehicles came under attack, setting them on fire, reported Aljazeera.

One witness said resistance fighters opened fire on the vehicles in the restive town of Falluja.



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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:13 AM
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36. that is so sad
i just hate this.
killing, killing and more killing -- there's just no end to it.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:36 AM
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41. Bush isn't worried...
The only issues that worry his constituency are keeping the cheap plentiul gas flowing so they can fill up their SUVs and Hummers, making sure gay people can't get married, and protecting their stock portfolios.

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displacedvermoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:41 AM
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63. But that's not working either
Gas prices are skyrocketing, and investors are still not sure about the direction their portfolios are going to go.

Bush should be worried.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:27 AM
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77. Yes, I know, but...
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 10:28 AM by theHandpuppet
... those people are having the opposite reaction to what you might expect. The more their money is threatened, the more desperate they become to hold on to it, agressively so.

I was surprised to find out just how that worked with the American psyche on a recent trip to deliver food to the local food bank -- the volunteers there said things were looking bad, as people weren't giving as much as they did prior to 911. I was really surprised by that, thinking that folks would have had the opposite reaction. You know, greater compassion, more displays of generosity. But no... as they remarked to me, people have become meaner (in the old sense) with what they have and are hoarding.

This is why I believe, sadly, that if Bush's constituency feels any threat to their cushy way of life, whether real or perceived, they will okay anything which they believe will preserve it, whether that means reducing other countries to rubble, giving up their precious civil rights, or sending thousands of our own young men and women to die in wars for cheap oil.

Sorry to say that for a country that constantly toots its own horn about being such a "Christian", moral nation, the one real God America worships is the almighty dollar. For the love of money is the root of all evil. I'm beginning to see just why that is true, even among those who count themselves among the most righteous.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:46 PM
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91. The food banks are hurting . . .
. . . but not because of greedy people. The economy is such that people don't have enough food for themselves and their families. Even people who 'appear' to be OK are struggling. It's an illusion created by the nice houses purchased with low interest loans. Some people use every dime they have to pay their mortgages and make minimum payments on their maxed out credit cards while living on Top Ramen and looking for work. I don't think people are meaner, they're just scared.

American people aren't the ones benefiting from this illegal and immoral war. They're poorer than ever, losing their jobs, paying high gas prices and worrying about the future. It's the Halliburtons, Kellog Root Browns, Bushes and Cheneys that are enriching themselves with the blood money of Iraq. Food pantries should ask America's war mongers to part with some of their filthy lucre. . . . Not likely.

TYY
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:42 AM
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42. dimwitted American reaction to news : "huh, bomb killed Kobe & Laci???"
pathetic ... sometimes I think we're the only sane people in this country
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Go Eagles Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 07:26 AM
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45. so much for the resistance being Saddam loyalists
Two months after capturing Saddam, we see the second most deadliest month since the "end of the war".
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:30 PM
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90. Well said! --n/t
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 07:59 AM
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46. Bring them on! Bush needs to feed on more blood
:nuke:
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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:26 AM
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49. Was this a Stryker that was hit?
I remember many people speaking poorly of this vehicle's lack or proper armor. I wonder if that is why the casualty rate from this particular IED was so high.
Scott
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:36 AM
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51. Today Show "featured" the story. Then they
went on to discuss a missing woman for ten minutes.

The War of Lies gets five minutes. Where are our priorities?

Impeach Bush.

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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:41 AM
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52. I'm George W. Bush and I approved this quagmire.
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 09:09 AM by The Night Owl
:mad:
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:20 AM
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54. Would you guys do me a favor and call your Sen and Congresspeople
relentlessly and tell them to bring the troops home now?
I have Michael over there and I wont even show these pics to my husband he will fall apart..I can barely hold up now
Please?
please
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:23 AM
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55. CNNI has reported those in burned cars were civilian contractors
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 09:47 AM by lebkuchen
Four people traveling in two cars that were burned and mutilated.

Brig. Gen. Kimmitt says he's not aware of any military escort with them. One reporter asked Kimmitt what the Marines planned to do to restore order to the area given that the U.S. has been in Iraq for a year and there is no order. What did the General plan to do differently?

Kimmitt said that the Marines would continue to maintain the order that has always been there with the exception of a few outbreaks of trouble from time to time.

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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:26 AM
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57. whats the difference...
if they are civilians or US military...the fact is they died because of a lie!
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:31 AM
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59. It doesn't matter. But the fact is, they were civilians.
It doesn't matter what company they worked for either, I suppose, and we don't know those facts either, not that it matters.

But you're right, it's Bush's job to maintain security over and above his lying that got us into this mess, and he's failed miserably at that task--though when measured against his poll numbers, i.e. that most Americans think we should have attacked Iraq, Bush has been a dazzling success. That's American "logic" for ya.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:11 AM
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72. Just heard on the news (NBC affiliate)...
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 10:12 AM by theHandpuppet
That at least one of the civilians was carrying a DoD I.D. card. There was also an American passport near one of the bodies -- they didn't say if both belonged to the same individual.
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m-jean03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:14 PM
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84. Some civilian contractors work for the army
As translators/linguists/logistics support etcetera. A friend of mine is an Arabic-fluent linguist and his position w/army is officially "civilian contractor".
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:30 AM
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58. It's 2 separate incidents; 5 soldiers killed and 4 foreign nationals
(likely Americans) beaten, burned, dismembered, and hung.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:32 AM
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60. I work with the 1ID
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 09:33 AM by lebkuchen
So I'm aware of that second incident.

Let me know when you get a Division ID, not that it matters to anyone else here.

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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:49 PM
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87. You're right.
It doesn't.
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:57 AM
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69. Was Brenner one of them....
or Chalibis? Those killed would not be important to bush. All those repigs in DC, are just as responsible as the town idiot, small man bush. If one of their kids died in Iraq, maybe they would feel the pain. Since, those rich bastard kids of those DC repig murderers don't fight for our country, who cares how many other American kids, not well connected, die all for a lie.

God Have Mercy on Our Innocent Soldiers.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:41 AM
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64. lebkuchen: Are you confusing two separate incidents?
Incident 1: 4 civilian contractors shot in Fallujah and dragged through the streets.

Incident 2: 5 US military personnel killed in IED attack on convoy, just north of Fallujah.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:46 AM
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66. No
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 09:48 AM by lebkuchen
What division were the five soldiers in, btw?

I edited my subject line above, fyi, for clarity. So many attacks today, I wasn't aware there were separate threads for the different attacks.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:58 AM
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70. The burned cars were civilians; separately 5 troops were killed
CENTCOM has not revealed the division or even the branch of service of the dead servicepeople. The media continues to refer to them as "troops," so for all we know, they may even be Marines (especially given the area of the incident) and not Army.

You are correct to say that the burned cars and bodies dragged through the streets were the civilian contractors. However, it is confirmed fact now that there were ALSO 5 US military personnel killed in an IED explosion about 12 miles north of Fallujah, to wit:

"The killings of the contractors came shortly after five American troops died when their military vehicle ran over a bomb about 12 miles to the northwest of Falluhah, among the reed-lined roads through some of Iraq’s richest farmland."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4551230/
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:13 AM
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74. The five soldiers killed were 1ID
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 10:41 AM by lebkuchen
CNNI just reported.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:25 AM
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56. caution: graphic photos of dead Americans hanging on a bridge
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 10:01 AM by amen1234





Iraqis chant anti-American slogans as charred bodies hang from a bridge over the Euphrates River in Fallujah, west of Baghdad, Wednesday, March 31 2004. Enraged Iraqis in this hotbed of anti-Americanism killed four foreigners Wednesday, including at least one U.S. national, took the charred bodies from a burning SUV, dragged them through the streets, and hung them from the bridge. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)


Iraqis mutilate a burnt body of a dead man believed to be a US citizen who was inside a car attacked in the flashpoint town of Fallujah, west of Baghdad. At least two people believed to be Americans were killed when gunmen opened fire on two four-wheel-drive vehicles in Fallujah, police said.(AFP/Karim Sahib


Iraqis dance on a wrecked car attacked 31 March 2004 in the flashpoint town of Fallujah. At least seven people were killed in attacks in western Iraq (news - web sites).(AFP/Karim Sahib)


Flames engulf the remains of a person killed in Fallujah, west of Baghdad, Wednesday March 31, 2004. Gunmen in Fallujah attacked two civilian cars that residents said were carrying up to eight foreign nationals. The occupants of the cars were killed and their vehicles were set on fire. (AP Photo/Abdel Kader Saadi)


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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:36 AM
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61. Hey....
Halliburton stock is up....
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:47 AM
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67. Whoa
Anyone doubt just how much they hate their US occupation?
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:23 AM
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75. Can you post the link too? Thanks
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:57 AM
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80. sorry, here's two links: Washington Post and Yahoo
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 11:04 AM by amen1234
hit photo on front page, where it says 'more photos'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/

on yahoo...it's under the 'Most Viewed Slideshows' and under the 'Iraq slideshow' on the left-hand side
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index2&cid=702





An Iraqi man stands close to a charred human limb thrown tied to a brick onto an electricity cable in the flashpoint town of Fallujah. Angry residents armed with shovels mutilated the charred bodies of two people caught in an insurgents' attack and warned the rebel Iraqi town would be the 'cemetery' of US occupation forces.(AFP/Karim Sahib)
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 07:49 PM
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89. They aren't foreigners they are MERCENARIES from BLACKWATER USA
A company that is roaming around IRAQ doing what it wants with no checks and balances.

And today 4 of its "EMPLOYEES" got their asses kicked.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:52 AM
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79. CNN covering Spring Fashion Fling
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 10:54 AM by teryang
...and CNN headlines covering CD sales. I guess we won't be seeing these photos on censored America media.

If these photos were shown widely on tv we'd be out before Nov.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:37 AM
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62. hanged some of the bodies on bridge like slaughtered sheep -Foreigners
Footage from Associated Press Television News showed one man beating a corpse with a metal pole. Others tied a cord to one of the bodies, attached it to a car and drove it down a street, surrounded by a cheering crowd. An Associated Press reporter saw two blackened bodies hanging from a bridge.

"The people of Fallujah hanged some of the bodies on the old bridge like slaughtered sheep," resident Abdul Aziz Mohammed said. Some of the corpses were dismembered, he said.

 Five U.S. soldiers were killed by a bomb and the bodies of foreigners were dragged through the streets on Wednesday in the turbulent Sunni triangle west of Baghdad.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/24/iraq/main541815.shtml
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:30 AM
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78. We're sure to reach a level of normalcy in Iraq
any day now...
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:51 AM
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68.  Iraqis will not be pacified by US military. They hate us too much.

Something that we, on this side of the atlantic, seem to have forgotten is the fact that we are blamed for the sanctions that killed a half million of their children. Everyone in iraq either lost a child or has a relative or friend that lost a child to disease because our sanctions kept them from buying antibiotics.

They blame america for putting saddam in power in the first place. They blame the american sanctions for destroying their society. And their economy.

And if that weren't enough, we then bombed their cities to rubble before invading their homeland.

"Welcomed with flowers", indeed. We are welcomed with only hatred.

We may not remember the past. They can't forget.

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SmokeyBlues Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:24 AM
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76. Oh stop all that hand wringing about those dead people in Iraq!
Look here. I got a joke that'll make everybody feel better, especially members of the cabal and the media whores.

What do you call WMDs that can't be found in Iraq? Yuk, yuk, yuk! Sorry, I'm just anticipating the punchline.

They are called missing WMDs! Bwahhhhhhhhhhhh! Bwahhhhhhhhhhhh!

Stop it. Stop it. I'm nearly dying from laughter!

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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:49 AM
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83. Yet more blood on your hands, AWOL George.
n/t
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 12:15 PM
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85. 5 more examples of our "success"
Thank god my husband came home last week.
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:25 PM
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92. 10 deaths in Iraq but the top story was 'college student found'
no wonder Bush is leading in the polls
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