Smoke pot? Schwarzenegger says, who cares?

[Bozita]

Source: HuffPo

Smoke pot? Schwarzenegger says, who cares?

MICHAEL R. BLOOD | November 9, 2010 12:23 AM EST |

BURBANK, Calif. — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger says no one cares if you smoke a joint.

The Hollywood actor-turned-governor signed a law five weeks ago that made possession of up to an ounce of marijuana the equivalent of a traffic ticket. It carries a penalty of no more than a $100 fine and no arrest or criminal record.

He defended the law Monday, telling Jay Leno on NBC's "Tonight Show" it is a good idea.

According to a transcript of the interview, Schwarzenegger says: "No one cares if you smoke a joint or not."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20101109/us-schwarzenegger-leno/

[flvegan]

1. He's right.

I'm gonna chalk this one up to Kennedy blood again, even though I know it's not true.

[axollot]

41. Haha I was going to say that but wasnt sure about the reaction.

Had not read the article at the time.

Cheers
Sandy

[The Second Stone]

2. Arnie is off the GOP reservation

they whole card house will fall into the sea. Or is that Kall eef orn ya?

[LawnKorn]

16. Arnie's retiring from politics. Statements about smoking pot are his middle finger salute

Arnie says "I got my big house and four Hummers. You little people go burn a splif while I bask in the glow of of fooling you all!"

Happy trails Mr. Schwarzenegger, your successor is very much your better.

[Le Taz Hot]

19. His successor came out against Prop. 19.

I think you guys are in for a rude awakening with Brown -- he's about as liberal as Obama.

[lunatica]

23. Californians already know Jerry Brown

He's been governor before and he's held many political posts in the interim, including Mayor of the city I live in.

[jancantor]

89. What happens with Brown when

he starts coming for your uncool niece?

[lunatica]

102. All my nieces are cool

But do you have a point?

[jancantor]

107. Well, yes I do

it's from California Uber Alles by the Dead Kennedys (their first single)

from wikipedia: The title is an allusion to the first stanza of the national anthem of Germany, which used to begin with the words "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles." (literally, "Germany, Germany above all.")

The song focuses on Jerry Brown, the Governor of California between 1975 and 1983, and re-elected to serve starting 2011, and is sung from his perspective. An imaginary Brown outlines a hippie-fascist vision for America, in which his "suede denim secret police" kill un-cool people with "organic poison gas" chambers. Lines such as "Serpent's egg already hatched" (a reference to a line from William Shakespeare's play Julius Caesar) comment on the corrosive nature of power. The line "now it is 1984" refers to the totalitarian regime of George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, describing a future (from 1979) where Jerry Brown has become President Brown presiding over secret police and gas chambers.

The song is an early example of the Kennedys' trademark use of menace and musical tension. It fades in with sinister military-styled drums, joined by an ominous bass riff. Biafra paints the scene in low, sneering tones before bursting in manic chanting chorus: "California Über Alles , Über Alles, California ". After two verses and choruses, the song shifts into a slower middle eight section set to a martial drum beat over which Jello Biafra imagines the nightmarish actions of Brown's SS-styled secret police ("Come quietly to the camp; you'd look nice as a drawstring lamp," a reference to lampshades made by Nazi concentration camp guards from human skin). The pace speeds up as it approaches the last iteration of the chorus, closing with a repeated proto-Thrash metal chord sequence accompanied by a final burst of explosive drums.

German-American author Gero Hoschek was inspired by the song to title a 1988 magazine piece about the "Golden State" in the prestigious German Zeit Magazin weekly titled "Kalifornia Über Alles!" (sic), as well as a never produced screenplay. Biafra complained, got and liked a copy of the movie script, understood that there was no copyright violation, and used the same spelling for the song's 2004 remake with Melvins, "Kalifornia Über Alles, 21st Century".



California Uber Alles by the Dead Kennedys

I am Governor Jerry Brown
My aura smiles
And never frowns
Soon I will be president...

Carter Power will soon go away
I will be Fuhrer one day
I will command all of you
Your kids will meditate in school
Your kids will meditate in school!


California Uber Alles
California Uber Alles
Uber Alles California
Uber Alles California

Zen fascists will control you
100% natural
You will jog for the master race
And always wear the happy face

Close your eyes, can't happen here
Big Bro' on white horse is near
The hippies won't come back you say
Mellow out or you will pay
Mellow out or you will pay!



Now it is 1984
Knock-knock at your front door
It's the suede/denim secret police
They have come for your uncool niece

Come quietly to the camp
You'd look nice as a drawstring lamp
Don't you worry, it's only a shower
For your clothes here's a pretty flower.

DIE on organic poison gas
Serpent's egg's already hatched
You will croak, you little clown
When you mess with President Brown
When you mess with President Brown

[Le Taz Hot]

95. Yes, I know.

I was here.

[LawnKorn]

25. I think it will be an order of magnitude improvement when the Governor of California is named Brown

I don't live in California, so I don't have a dog in this hunt. Schwarzenegger was too wishy-washy middle of the road to make any positive change. He had an 'R' after his name but sold out to liberal interests to keep his precious popularity rating up. I got no use for a 'I want people to like me' sellout politician; I got no use for Schwarzenegger.

Governor elect Brown on the other hand, has a 'D' after his name and is very much aware of the score in California. Having been Governor before, he doesn't have to invest any capitol in getting people to like him. Brown has one objective: Fix California

Brown is going to present a hard line, no compromise path to follow that allows for business make long term plans for the future. Pot is in the category of 'I want people to like me' and thus is low on the list of things needing to be done. At this point, pot could serve as a short term revenue steam, but like a state run lottery, profits taper off over time.

[RaleighNCDUer]

46. There is much much more to the issue of pot than revenue building off

legal sales (which did NOT happen anyway). Decriminalization means no longer feeding the prison industry, no longer making felons of pot smokers, no longer having to divert millions of state dollars into the justice system which could better be used in infrastructure and education.

And, to your last point, that is patently untrue. Profits (I assume you mean tax revenue to the state on pot sales) would NOT taper off over time - unlike a lottery, people actually get something for their money so there would be no diminishing returns. A better model is the alcohol industry - have tax revenues from that declined since the boom at the end of prohibition?

[U of M Dem]

80. +1

I've worked in prisoner re-entry recently. The prisons are near full and costly in Michigan where I live and most of the incarcerated are in for drug charges. Legalizing and regulating marijuana is a great idea, BUT then you will have the industry lobbyists (paper, textile) that will stop at nothing to keep the hemp market illegal to eliminate competition. SO thy will keep campaigning that 'Drugs are bad mmkay.'

[RaleighNCDUer]

92. The answer to that, then, is to convince the competing industries to

jump on the bandwagon - kind of like getting oil companies to invest in wind farms. Instead of seeing hemp as a competitor they should see it as a new revenue stream.

Welcome to DU!

[happygoluckytoyou]

62. i DO live in california.... and i agree.... NO USE FOR ARNOLD, should have had balls when IN OFFICE

[Bluenorthwest]

27. Under Brown's previous administration, marijuana penalites

were reduced to misdemeanor status, when previously holding a small amount was a prison term, a felony. Also under Jerry, CA became the State where 'consenting adults' were first decriminalized, that is, no arresting people for being gay. So sure, he's a conservative. Obama is a born again Christian. Obama is opposed to equal rights for gay people. Jerry is not a religious atavist, not a bigot, unlike some.
The idea that Jerry holds a surprise for Californians is absurd. He's held many major offices in the State, holding one or the other almost constantly since before I was old enough to vote. His father was governor before him, and my father told me all about Pat, although he tended to side with Jesse Unruh if it came to that.
When Oakland's Medical Marijuana law was first in place, Feds threatened harassment and arrests, Jerry said he would, as Mayor, order the Oakland PD to make deliveries to patients, and the Feds could arrest his officers if they wished. Take a look at Oakland's clinics today, setting the standard for the nation.
Jerry and Obama have nothing much in common. Jerry is a liberal. He has a lifetime of actions which support that. Jerry is fiscally very careful, some say 'fiscally conservative' and what that means is that if CA had listened to Jerry back when, they would not be fucked up today.

[krabigirl]

72. I agree. He also wrote the current AG guidelines for medical cannabis.

Hopefully Cooley doesn't get in and turn back the clock. AT least with Jerry at the helm, he would not be able to do too much damage imo.

SO tired of the continual war against the people in regards to this plant.

[defendandprotect]

81. Thank you -- love Jerry Brown ....

and can only hope he didn't back Prop 19 because of questions about the

new law ....

[axollot]

42. Still better than Whit-less. n/t

[femrap]

65. Monsanto was pouring $$$

into Prop 19....that worried a lot of people. Maybe Monsanto saw a way to make some big $$$$....that would put many people in Humboldt county out of business.

I know Jerry Brown....He's no Obama.

[robertpaulsen]

83. Wow! I was not aware of that.

Perhaps the failure was a blessing in disguise that will be remedied on any future proposition. Here's a link on it I found if anyone else is interested:

Proposition 19, monsanto, and terminator cannabis
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/420-politics/128108-proposition-19-monsanto-terminator-cannabis.html

[femrap]

86. Great article....

that's a keeper. Think of all the farmers that would be out of work if the Corporations get in on this. That can not happen!!!!

Mother Nature is going to kick Monsanto's ass one of these days.

[robertpaulsen]

91. Good point. I favor legalization, but not to enable corporations at the expense of the public.

I hope that if a similar initiative is on the ballot in 2012, that it will take this into account, along with some of the other problems Prop 19 had like the vagueness in zoning applications.

And yes, Mother Nature will kick Monsanto's ass. Monsanto, like most multi-national monstrosities, think they are the http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2010/02/primal-forces-of-nature-vs-real-primal.html">Primal Forces of Nature, as described in the movie Network. Sometime soon in the first half of the 21st century, they will be humbled by the Real Primal Forces of Nature.

[femrap]

96. Goddess....I loved that movie,

'Network.' I need to watch it again. I wonder if young people of today have seen it. It was made, in 1976, I think. It should be mandatory.

Enjoyed reading the link...Yep, give me the REAL primal forces of nature! I have heard this crap about 'growth' for years now. It's nonsensical. Nothing can grow forever. Everything is cyclical.

The G-20 is meeting the end of this week....the Chinese aren't happy about this QE2. Maybe we're going to have a Currency War???

[robertpaulsen]

100. That is a scary and potentially real possibility.

I've been concerned for a while about the potential for a currency war. It's part of why I'm so disgusted with the US Chamber of Commerce and why I'm so astounded at how reich-wing Tea-Baggers who normally red-bait at the drop of a hat can turn a blind eye to having their favorite candidates and causes funded by Red China. How exactly do you "get your country back" by becoming indebted to your largest economic competitor? Go figure.

Yes, Network should be required viewing for anyone with a burgeoning political conscience. I love it!

[femrap]

126. I just read this....

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/an-unfortunate-needle-points-to-war-2010-11-10?pagenumber=1

Seems your fears are well founded.

Thankfully I'm too old to be called up for a war. What worries me is that this war may start with a nuke while the last one ended with one.

I wonder what will result from this G-20. The folks over at Half Past Human have predicted a 'tipping point' for this coming Sunday, Nov. 14...I guess the Asian markets are open then.

'Interesting times' as goes the Chinese saying.

[robertpaulsen]

129. Nice find, femrap!

I found these paragraphs particularly illuminating:

Following the second iteration of quantitative easing last week, we received troubling feedback around the world. President Barack Obama defended the additional stimulus by saying, “The Fed’s mandate, my mandate, is to grow our economy. And that’s not just good for the United States, that’s good for the world as a whole.” Unfortunately, global leaders didn’t share his enthusiasm.

Wolfgang Schäuble, German finance minister, called the Fed’s actions “clueless” and said, “It doesn’t add up when the Americans accuse the Chinese of currency manipulation and then artificially lower the value of the dollar…I have great doubts about whether it makes sense to pump unlimited amounts of money into the markets. There is no shortage of liquidity in the U.S. economy. I can’t see the economic argument for this move.”

Dilma Rousseff, Brazil’s president-elect, warned, “The last time there was a competitive devaluation of currencies it ended up where it did, in the second World War.”

Zhu Guangyao, the Chinese vice finance minister, offered, “The U.S. decision does not recognize, as a country that issues one of the world’s major reserve currencies, its obligation to stabilize capital markets.”

Arkaday Dvorkovich, the Russian G-20 negotiator, opined, “Russia’s president will insist ‘such actions’ (as pumping cash into the U.S. economy) are taken with preliminary consultations with other members’ of the G-20.”



We're walking on a pretty skinny tightrope here. I'm too old to be called up for a war myself, but working in downtown LA surrounded by skyscrapers (i.e. ICBM targets) is not too comforting. I hope cooler heads prevail.

[femrap]

133. I used to work in the skyscrapers of

San Fran. Did not enjoy earthquakes on the 42nd story.

Remember Great Western Savings? It was a southern CA mainstay....then Washington Mutual took it over....and we all know what happened after that. I worked for GW's Investment arm.

The Banksters have ruined this country.

G-20 has started. I don't feel good about this.

[druidity33]

97. not in this article...

there was a really specious connection made between the fact that George Soros invests in Monsanto and the fact that he's on the board of the Drug Policy Alliance which funded some pro-Prop 19 ads. How does that equate to the terminator gene or Monsanto at all? The article is vague and unsourced.

:shrug:

[robertpaulsen]

101. You're right.

The controversy is pretty speculative. Here's another link on the subject. I found the comments on the blog post quite interesting.

http://www.bz420.com/2010/11/03/how-george-soros-caused-prop-19-to-fail/

[defendandprotect]

79. I'm amazed that Jerry Brown was against Prop 19 ... !!! Wow ....

Could have something to do with constant effort to tie him to pot smoking --

Hasn't worked so far.

[LawnLover]

104. I was here for his first two terms and

have to say I was quite happy with him then. I doubt the awakening will be rude at all.

[Jennicut]

134. Well, there was that other choice in the race.

Meg whatshername.

[crikkett]

43. so was his umbrage about prop 23 (suspending air quality laws)

in the end he didn't dance with the folks what brought him.

[txlibdem]

64. "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

To quote Inigo Montoya...

He did dance with "them that brung him" by opposing prop 23.

[bluedigger]

3. Eric Holder cares, Ahnold.

And so do I...

[krabigirl]

8. .....

[axollot]

44. co-signed. nt

[bluedigger]

109. ....

[bluedigger]

108. ....

[krabigirl]

122. .....

[Webster Green]

11. You care if someone smokes a joint?

Why?

Are you a reefer madness narc?

[Ginto]

63. Only if it's around me.

Don't like any second hand smoke.

[awoke_in_2003]

103. I smell bacon. nt

[bluedigger]

110. No, but thanks for actually trying to find out.

I care about the senseless war on pot...

[Rebubula]

21. What?

You care if someone smokes a joint??

You support the prohibition of a plant?

You support the unjust incarceration of millions of people a year for smoking pot??

Please tell me you meant something else!!! If not, you may just become my one and only ignore.

:smoke:

[axollot]

48. And a co-signed here too! I guess DEA agents can consider themselves Dems too. n/t

[Mz Pip]

51. Incarceration of millions of people

a year for smoking pot?

Incarcertion? Really? I don't think so. :eyes:

[Rebubula]

56. OK...fine

I added some dramatic flair to my post.

However, 10s of thousands of people are languishing in jail for the crime of smoking, possessing or selling pot.

That better?

[bluedigger]

111. This.

You care if someone smokes a joint??

When thy are rude and don't share, yes.

You support the prohibition of a plant?

Yes, there is no reason to allow the continued existence of poison ivy.

You support the unjust incarceration of millions of people a year for smoking pot??

No.

Please tell me you meant something else!!! If not, you may just become my one and only ignore.

I meant something else. It's a message board. I could give a rat's ass if you have me on ignore.

[SemperEadem]

26. and please don't riposte

with the weak sauce excuse: it's a gateway drug for children!!!!!!!!!!!11

Like a case of beer in the downstairs refrigerator isn't a gateway to the liquor cabinet upstairs.

you care that someone you will never meet or know smokes a joint? Control freak much?

[AlbertCat]

98. it's a gateway drug for children!!!!!!

I read somewhere that when the Netherlands decriminalized pot, the usage of other drugs went down. It seems when the guy you're buying pot from isn't also going "I got some great acid and coke too... you wanna try? " that less of that gets used. Or so the story goes. Anyone know if there are any "real" studies on this type of thing?

[bluedigger]

112. Project much?

[ChiciB1]

31. What Do You Mean? Against Smoking Pot? When I Was Younger

I did and almost everyone I knew did. Some still do... a lot. Kids today are smoking some "heavy stuff" and I know THIS from personal experience as well, tried some! But the stuff today is just too "sinking in the sofa" and let me dream a dream for me. I've always liked the "Ha-Ha" kind of stuff when we used to party and laugh until our sides hurt.

Given the choice between alcohol & pot, I'd say pot isn't going to make you want to go out and drive 90 miles an hour. Maybe 20 miles an hour, which could be a problem too, but mostly you just mellow out. And as I said, some of the mellowing is much too down for me.

But, living in Florida... we AIN'T gonna get any opportunity in my lifetime to even consider loosening the laws! Back to "paranoia" again here, thanks to the 65 and older crowds that are a BUNCH of stuffed shirts that can't find their asses to wipe anymore. And I'm not so far off, but I think YOUNG.

I may be older now and have kids who are already out of college, and also one who feels pot IS NOT a "gateway" drug, but I sure don't feel pot should be an offense that lands you in jail for years.

I dare say, Arnie ALSO tokes from time to time! And I'm sure Jerry has done a lot in his time too! Even here in Florida... It's EVERYWHERE!

[axollot]

50. After 20-30 years the ha-ha goes away and the sinking in the sofa arrives..

except with good stuff. Like a fine wine. Good stuff will get me moving. I should know, with a chronic pain illness a smoke at night helps me sleep, it helps pain so much too.

Cheers
Sandy
nearing 40 lol.

[ChiciB1]

61. Well, I Was Still Doing Ha-Ha At Forty... Got 20 Years On You! When I Heard

college kids were paying around $65 to $80 for ONE-EIGHTH I was astounded! I was around when we paid $20 to $25 for an OZ. Did try some of the Chronic, and YES, pain will go away! Maybe I got the wrong stuff, but it WAS STRONG, and not HA-HA!

There's a LOT of Hydro around that isn't so bad, and I guess still has some HA-HA in it! I won't go into all my back problems, but get shots and take meds, which I'm not crazy about, but I have a REAL FEAR of gaining weight! OCD thingey. At my age, weight goes on quickly and I can recall saying things like "I could eat some cardboard with peanut butter on it" when I was high! NOTHING was too bad to eat!

Used to play LOTS of tennis and it kept the weight off, now... not so much. PAIN IS PAIN, and sometimes I don't think some people quite understand it, it's quite depressing getting up in the morning with it! A couple of car accidents and arthritis now keep me from being as active as before, even though I do exercise.

Still, I DID like smoking A LOT! Still, I KNOW many BOOMERS & older still are toking away.
:hippie:

[axollot]

137. The smoke around Florida is rubbish - the smoke in Australia was awesome..

the cost - OMG. The crap I get now and suffer with well, it does the job but only just. I guess I remember getting the ha-ha's on a few times with really good cryppie and like you I really suffer with pain. Chronic and nasty and it requires a lot of meds, but the one that I could never give up is the one that I can grow in my garden. (with rubbish luck there too - but another story lol).

For me yes, a couple of car accidents and time that ruptured half of the disks in my neck (c4-c7) and a few low lumbar. In fact I am finally at a point where I swim 3 times a week in an indoor heated pool but do PT rather than laps. It helps. One of my meds puts on a lot of weight without the equal intake of food to justify it. I dont look big thankfully but dont want to gain anymore weight so I am busting my bum at the "socialist" county pool.

:hug: for a fellow DU'er living in chronic pain.
cheers
Sandy

[axollot]

140. I see we are also both in Florida!

:smoke: :hi:

[femrap]

66. I like the 'ha-ha' stuff as well....

we used to call it 'giggle weed.' You'd think with all the study of genetics the farmers could develop Giggle Weed instead of the Zonk-out stuff.

I remember laughing until tears ran down my face.

[Webster Green]

74. Indeed...we (ahem)...I mean "they" do develop the giggle weed.

See my post above...

[axollot]

141. hehe I miss doing that - although SO makes me LOL till tears run down my face! n/t

[Webster Green]

73. It's not all couch-lock stuff, you know.

Nowadays there are so many varieties to choose from, it's amazing.

Most of the really good and popular varieties are sativa/indica crosses. A sativa-dominant strain will give more of an "up" high. Indica-dominants are the more relaxing strains. In this area, you just go to the store (dispensary), and choose from lot's of great types of herb, and get information on the sativa/indica ratio and descriptions of the taste, smell, and effects of that particular strain.

Try something like "Snowcap" for wake & bake. It really gets you going. Very potent, like 20% THC. It's great for working on projects.

I love Northern California! :hippie:

[femrap]

76. I used to live in the Bay Area....I

miss it. I'd drive up to Humboldt and Mendocino Counties every now and then. I liked visiting the wineries as well.

It's so beautiful up there. I've always wanted to go back and find a 1/2 acre and build a small house...no more than 800 sq. ft. and be as eco-friendly as possible and retire. I could die in peace up there.

[robertpaulsen]

93. Thank you for educating me on the sativa/indica differences.

I used to toke up for shits and giggles, but lately I've found that it's been incredibly effective combating my acid reflux disease. I haven't been to a doctor for a prescription for medical marijuana (I've never seen GERD advertised as one of the illnesses MMJ should be used to treat) but I can say from personal experience that pot is great at immediate heartburn pain relief, but I've also noticed it seems to help prevent the symptoms from coming back the next day.

I have a doctor's prescription for protonix because I used to get heartburn 2 times a week. Now it's once or twice a month, but when that happens, a dozen Tums no longer puts out the fire, I need the weed. The problem I've noticed from the weed my friend gave me is that while it relieves my pain, it keeps me up most of the night. So from what you wrote, it sounds like my friend gets a sativa strain. Perhaps an indica strain would be better for after-dinner heartburn, which is when I usually tend to get it.

So thanks from a fellow Californian for your enlightenment on this subject! :smoke:

[ChiciB1]

119. Sorry For The Late Reply... I Just Watched A Documentary About Weed

AND Northern CA! You are indeed lucky. I AM currently doing a lot of research myself regarding sativa/indica and am aware of so many different varieties. I know about Jorge Cervantes who some say is one of the Gods of MJ growing. Maybe it's just because he's advertised so much.

My problem is not having access to these varieties and/or unable to personally check them out WITHOUT a great deal of money. I was in San Fran about a year ago, and got quite an education about how easy it is to get a script for medicinal weed. In fact some of the shops we visited it was OBVIOUS that those behind the counter were "sampling" their own.

So far, I've only seen pictures and descriptions of what to expect from the MANY varieties. Living in Florida isn't a place I would feel safe practicing anything other than having a connection. But I've seen some beautiful pictures and was amazed at how many strains there are. Why do I know this? My daughter is studying to become a nurse practitioner and wrote a paper about MJ, so there were many books to research. Kind of blew my mind because I had no idea that the plant had evolved to the extent it has.

But I wouldn't know "Snowcap", Laughing Bhudda or "White Widow" or what I'm told is the ultimate these days some sort of Lemon Haze from Skunk or plain street weed. I only tried what someone told me was Chronic and is was a "downer" for sure. Don't know anyone who would pay that much for the stuff either.

So, enjoy CA, I'm stuck down here in Tea-Bagger country!

[Webster Green]

124. Jorge Cervantes is indeed a great teacher.

I had his 'Marijuana Botany' book as my main reference when I was breeding in the early '80s. He knows his shit!

All the info on the various strains is a couple of clicks away on the web. If you go to Google and type "Snowcap", you won't finish typing the name before "Snowcap strain" and "snowcap pot" come up in the search results.

I've been hearing a lot about a Humboldt strain called "Headband". It's supposed to be extremely potent, like in the range of 25%-30% THC content. I don't know if that is true, but I'm going to grow some of it and find out. A trip to the dispensary for some clones, and you're off and running.

[ChiciB1]

130. Again... Late Reply! My Dogs Needed Baths, Then Ear Cleaning AND The

worst thing of all... nail trimming! Two chocolate Labs and it's so hard to trim their nails. Then I have a cat that was next.

25%-30% is REALLY getting up there. Would LOVE to see one of those plants magnified! Even though I rarely smoke, I must admit I would LOVE to have the opportunity to grow. Since I live where I do and also knowing I won't ever be able to move to CA, I guess I'm stuck with looking at pictures.

But I have been told that if one were to try to grow that it would be advisable to get the Cervantes Bible.

I think I'm jealous! Good Luck!

[axollot]

139. Please, think of me while you enjoy that - used to have access in OZ and know how to clone ;) n/t

[bluedigger]

113. Um, thanks for sharing.

Quitter!:D

[byrok]

37. you're shitting me, right?

:eyes: :crazy: :banghead:

[bluedigger]

114. I shit you not.

[crikkett]

45. Yeah he does, that's why the statute of limitations passed for destroyed CIA torture tapes

because he was too worried about your neighbor's joint to prosecute high crimes...
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/seafan/4260

[bluedigger]

115. ...

Hey! How come we don't have an "Off Topic" smiley?:shrug:

[shanti]

59. a hit and run, huh?

:eyes:

[bluedigger]

116. Not intentionally.

Please forgive me for getting sidetracked by another thread and not coming back almost an hour later to see if anyone responded in the middle of the night...:eyes:

[cleanhippie]

77. What is it you care about?

[bluedigger]

117. I care about our rights.

Particularly the right to pursue happiness...

[cleanhippie]

120. Me too! So.....

I guess I just need you to better explain your original comment, so I can better understand what you are trying to say.

[bluedigger]

121. Fair enough.

I take issue with the gubernator's saying nobody cares. Lots of people care, one way or the other. As evidence I submit the response to my first post. I've been here at DU four years this week and I have never received a response to anything I've posted as strong as to this one. (And I've posted some pretty moronic stuff over the last four years.) I was really shocked to come back and find ten replies! Kind of destroys the apathetic stoners meme.:rofl:

[cleanhippie]

123. I see what you mean.

Thanks for the clarification. Your post was not moronic, I just didn't understand what you were getting at.

Thanks again.

[defendandprotect]

82. Eric Holder and Obama "care" about some pretty silly things -- and NOT about

some very serious issues they should be prosecuting!!

[bluedigger]

118. Damn skippy!

Best response to my post. Thank you!:hi:

[Name removed]

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[Divine Discontent]

4. "Seconds later, Arnie burned one in front of those in attendance". ha...

[TacticalPeek]

5. Why would he care?

[shanti]

57. exactly!

i was hoping someone would post this photo.

[XemaSab]

131. FTW

:D

[truthisfreedom]

6. He's a little ahead of his time. I'm glad.

I respect him a little more now. He may have to switch parties though.

[onehandle]

7. 'Forget the damage I've done to California, remember me for being cool on pot.'

No. Fuck off, Gropenfuhrer.

[krabigirl]

9. good.

[Phlem]

10. Oh My

can we get off the weed is going to kill all mentality already.

The law's are archaic. Drinking more than 8 beers shrinks the brain in a recent study, but hey that gets a double thumbs up.

The sorry thing is the people who need it for their ailments get walked all over by the ignorant prudes.

I love Karma.

-p

[Scuba]

18. Bingo.

[Curtis]

12. Whatever

If he doesn't care, why is it even still an infraction in this state. Why not legalize it all together if he doesn't care.

[Rebubula]

22. Couple of points

A) He did enact a law the basically knocked down possession to a jaywalking ticket
B) He does not have the power to legalize it - though he did support it
C) The people of Cali rejected the measure.

[ChiciB1]

33. And From People I Know In CA, It's Because They Make A LOT Of Money

selling it without legalizing it. NOT because they don't smoke it or sell it. I can understand not wanting to give up that income because BIG Corporations may just come in and run the little man out!

Look what it's done to Agriculture and the small farmers in this country! Some get paid NOT to grow corn. If they would make provisions that you could ONLY grow X amount of plants, which I think was what was in Prop 19, not sure though. But I wonder if that provision would be followed, given how greedy Corporations tend to get.

That was my only problem with passing it. I don't TRUST what the big guys would do to take it over!

[Rebubula]

87. So...

...you lack of trust should outweigh a person's freedom to smoke a plant?

How can it get any worse??? So some corporation starts making big profits from weed - people will not go to jail for possession.

Seems like a fair trade off.

However, as a concession I will add that I believe the laws of unintended consequences and it is impossible to see how things will turn out.

[craigmatic]

13. Sounds like Swarzenegger is pothead. But this is good news.

If they keep this up CA is going to be the North American Amsterdam and everyone is going to want to visit.

[4lbs]

15. What gave you the idea that Ahhhnuld is a pothead?

;)

[begin_within]

58. He smokes cigars and believes that secondhand smoke only goes straight up.

[jancantor]

90. Back in the Pumping Iron days

Arnold definitely smoked some pot. Not sure about now.

[indimuse]

KNR! n/t

[indimuse]

14. KNR! n/t

[LawnKorn]

17. K&R

[Beartracks]

20. He and Gary Johnson should go on tour. n/t

[Democat]

24. Good for him.

This is one thing that "small government" tea baggers and liberals should agree on.

[shawn703]

28. The beer lobby cares

And if CA has any for-profit prisons, I bet they care too.

[onehandle]

29. He's still the Enron Gropenfurher, so who cares? He's hoping we forget the damage he's done.

But go ahead, keep helping him with his legacy.

'It'll be cool to have the Terminator as governor.'

Keep cheerleading him.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

128. I will, thank you

This actually does help with his legacy, along with the law he signed a couple of weeks back. He gets some credit for this.

[burning rain]

30. Smoke Dokes for hallucinogenic jokes.

lulzers

[roody]

32. He vetoed legalizing hemp.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

38. that was dumb. K&R

[Hubert Flottz]

34. The only good thing this geek ever did!

I never thought I'd say anything good about this POS!

[laughingliberal]

35. K & R nt

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[Lance_Boyle]

39. If no one cares, why do they seize it and charge you 'up to' $100 when you get caught?

I'd actually be OK with the fine if they didn't seize the merchandise. Call it an awkwardly-enforced tax. But taking the weed, too? Fuck that. They don't seize your car when you get a $100 speeding ticket.

[crikkett]

49. Same reason the cops took my pizza & beer when I was underage

Free pizza & beer ?

[axollot]

40. Haven't read the article yet - but Why cant we see more of this attitude?

I guess he has enough money and not worried about a political future, public or private. Good on him. Someone has to start calling it out for the blue book law that it is....

cheers
Sandy

[La Lioness Priyanka]

47. yes, he is right, no one really cares. i mean your mom might care

if you are 16 and skipping school to smoke a joint, but beyond your mom no one really gives a shit.

[crikkett]

52. This is a spurious argument

I was talking to a very lazy woman on election day and eventually I suggested she stay home.

She knew nothing about the gubernatorial candidates or any of the measures on our ballot.

She wanted to vote down prop 19 because she didn't want to deal with her (equally lazy) daughter using pot. I almost fussed her out for it. I mean, 1) fifteen years after prop 215 marijuana is easier to get than ever and it's just not going away. 2) Her daughter's going to be around boys, booze and cigarettes too. The only extra effort I see is in maintaining the delusion that illegal pot is somehow safer for her child.

As far as use is concerned, I'm not a parent but I'd rather see a stoned kid picking a guitar than a sober one cutting themselves.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

55. i thought it was pretty obvious i was trying for some humor/hyperbole

if you want a serious answer: most people dont really care, some people care, some people violently object and some people think pot is panacea.

most people's parents care, some dont, very few give their children pot.

[leftyladyfrommo]

67. Or a drunk one driving 120 mph

We have more drunk kids around here that kill themselves and everyone else in the other car they hit.

[LawnLover]

105. Isn't procreation wonderful?!? nt

[axollot]

68. And as a mom I worry about pot less than drinking. I have 3 kids a 21yr old

son a 17 yr old bi-sexual son (out and proud in a hard core conservatard district) and a 7 yr old. The eldest did all sorts of hell, my 17yr old is a great kid, so I am lucky he doesnt skip school - anymore. When he 1st came out it was hard on him, he turned to drinking! He had all the support from family and friends too so I cant imagine how he feels - but beer and spirits concern me more as a parent!

Cheers
Sandy

[Dappleganger]

94. This momma doesn't care...

the only thing I worry about are FL's fucktarded laws and LEO's.

[Blue Owl]

53. No one except DuFu and the for-profit Pharmateers

n/t

[Iggo]

54. Funny. He was against it a couple of weeks ago.

[uncommon]

60. Welcome to Massachusetts ;)

[txlibdem]

69. The science is clear and irrefutable. Legalize it already!

All the problems we have in this country and some idiots are wasting our hard earned tax dollars tracking down and incarcerating some kid who wants to smoke a little? Idiotic.

No enforcement. Release all those imprisoned on marijuana charges (below serious drug trafficker levels). WTF? Isn't this common sense?

:smoke: :loveya: :hippie:

[Ian David]

70. Smoke pot in the choppah!

[Atypical Liberal]

71. I wonder how long it is going to take

I wonder how long it is going to take before pot is legalized? The stuff is proven to be less harmful than tobacco or alcohol, and less addictive. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should not be able to put a freaking plant in their body if they want to.

There must be some powerful money blocking this movement.

[David__77]

75. I have no problem with smoking it in private if no one drives.

I suppose it's also OK in "public" provided there's no one around.

[LawnLover]

106. The Brits did a road test with pot and

the driver actually became a SAFER driver when he was stoned.

[bluetrain]

125. Bullshit unless the test subjects were such total potheads they were in withdrawal without it

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

142. "withdrawal" from cannabis? HILARIOUS.

Talk about clueless....

[defendandprotect]

78. True -- the Drug War is a WAR ON Americans -- and a very convenient

way to corrupt our government and elected officials --

shiny new prison industrial complex over these years --

and great loss of liberty --

Those who prize their alleged safety over freedom will sell us out

every time -- no matter the issue -- Patriot Act, whatever -- !!

[BrightKnight]

127. I am to the right of Atilla the Hun for everything but pot.

Legalize, tax, regulate, and take the organized crime out of marijuana. In any war you have to pick your battles. Marijuana users are far less destructive than alcohol users.

I lived in poor Chicago neighborhoods during the worst of the crack epidemic. I would have been okay with summary executions or almost anything else that might solve the problem. By any means necessary was my attitude then and it has not changed much now. I certainly have no problem with using the full power of the State to solve the real drug problem.

[defendandprotect]

132. Why are you here?

[BrightKnight]

135. I doubt that I am the only Democrat that does not want to live next to a crack house.

I have been a victim of drug violence. Many of the people that I know have been a victim of drug violence. I have seen what it can do to a community and I know what living in fear is like. I want the awesome power of the State used to get that shit out of my neighborhood.

Marijuana does not destroy communities and it should be legalized. The only real issue that I have with marijuana is organized crime.

[bitchkitty]

136. Unfortunately, you're not the only Democrat right of Attila the Hun. n/t

[axollot]

138. I know what you mean about crack houses. They can be found anywhere there is poverty.

But rolling (no pun) MJ crime into crack crime is not accurate. Meth labs are even worse to live near and meth-heads, well they'd steal ANYTHING.

Crime begets crime - MJ is only rolled in with organised crime because the assholes can make more money moving it than anything else. If you havent seen some LEAP videos I highly rec them.

Take care and be safe. Lets take MJ out of the criminals hands and put it into the public's. I know as a person with chronic pain that I do not like dealing with shady peeps to get my MEDS! If I grow it I risk a lifetime in prison - even if I'm not distributing! It's crazy.

Cheers
Sandy

[AllyCat]

84. This is good news. Paying the prison-industrial complex to lock up

people smoking pot is wasteful and unethical, not to mention ineffective.

[MrScorpio]

85. The Stoner Governator Leaves A Legacy

Light up!

[mstinamotorcity]

88. Everybody!!!!!!

DO YOU!!!!!!!!!


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