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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 10:28 PM
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Peru presents footage of hidden Amazon tribe
Source: Euro News

Could a lost tribe still be untouched by civilisation in the 21st century?

Yes, say authorities in Peru who have released footage of what is claimed to be a previously uncontacted group in the Amazon. The discovery was made by Indepa, the country’s government-run agency for indigenous people.

“We have been able to find and casually meet voluntarily isolated populations or initiate first contact,” said Indepa President Mayta Capac Alatrista. “We suppose this contact was made because they went down to the streams in search of food because they are nomads.”

The tribe was apparently spotted during the monitoring of checkpoints aimed at keeping unwanted visitors, notably illegal loggers, at a distance.

The skeletons of hunted animals and tribal tools have also been displayed as evidence that these really are the people that time forgot.

Read more: http://www.euronews.net/2010/11/13/peru-presents-footage-of-hidden-amazon-tribe/



The footage of the tribe can be watched at the link.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 10:48 PM
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1. For their sake, keep them hidden!!!
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 10:52 PM
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2. It's sad that this was made public
I wonder how many "scientists' will rush down to 'study' them and force change on these people.
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 11:13 PM
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3. oh and a few missionaries will follow no doubt
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:16 AM
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9. oh gawd yah..
They gotta convert these "heathen" as soon as possible. Aiyaaa! I am sure some group is packing their bags right now. I hope these nomads run for the hills..
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:18 AM
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6. It's not so much the scientist, it's the...
Christian missionaries that worry me.
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Sandrine for you Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 11:22 PM
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4. I hope they do not circumcise their kids...;) nt
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:39 AM
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12. I'll bet they're breast feeding them.
:D
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:10 AM
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5. wow..they have clothing
cotton? am curious how they made them?
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:51 AM
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11. Seriously?
There's a whole field of study on the topic, clothing goes back at least 100,000-500,000 years ago, long before homo sapiens sapiens even made it to the Americas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_clothing_and_textiles

It predates the written word, and anybody who's made clothing from scratch can tell you how simple it is.... you simply use the material around you to fashion flexible sheets of material.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:28 AM
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7. Steve Jobs will no doubt send them all free iPods

like the Chilean miners

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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:31 AM
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8. I'm hoping they stay "forogtten"- they ain't missing much. n/t
PB
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blackbart99 Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 04:54 AM
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13. Man you got that right.
They are doing fine without us...I really hope we haven't already messed it up for them.
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 09:37 AM
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15. I was going to say...
... those lucky bastards! Here's hoping we don't ruin their garden of Eden like we destroy everything else we come into contact with.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:23 AM
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10. Just let them be.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 05:31 AM
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OnlinePoker Donating Member (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:36 PM
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16. I hate the term "lost tribe"
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 12:37 PM by OnlinePoker
I'm sure they know exactly where they are. I'm also sure some missionaries are on their way right now to bring them "the word".
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Bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:40 PM
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17. The PIRUS province in Peru is still unexplored.
Illegal logging is a death sentence for many of these tribes.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 04:31 PM
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18. Alan Garcia generously "shares" his images of the reclusive (by choice) Peruvians
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 04:40 PM by Judi Lynn
he views as living in his forests, a gesture made in the interest of informing the world. He is surreptitiously inviting the loggers and oil companies in to take their ancient homeland from them one way or another. First the wave of missionaries, who will inform them their beliefs, their way of life is crap, they must leave their forest homes and seek Je-zus or be lost in the Fiery Lake forever.

Two Breakfasts Alan Garcia will then sell their land right out from under them, and they will be strangers in a strange land, treated like trash, like non-humans, like the way Alan Garcia already treated the Amazon Peruvians who went to protest his sale of their native homeland from under their feet to the oil companies.

Remember Bagua from only a couple of years ago:
Eyewitness Reports Accuse Peruvian Police of Disposing the Bodies of Dead Indigenous Protesters

Garcia Government Makes Troubling
Racial Slurs and Fear-mongering

Indigenous Leaders and Allies Call for an
End to Violence on All Sides

Bagua, Peru (June 8, 2009) – In the aftermath of Friday's bloody raid on a peaceful indigenous road blockade near Bagua in the Peruvian Amazon, numerous eyewitnesses are reporting that the Special Forces of the Peruvian Police have been disposing of the bodies of indigenous protesters who were killed. "Today I spoke to many eyewitnesses in Bagua reporting that they saw police throw the bodies of the dead into the Marañon River from a helicopter in an apparent attempt by the Government to underreport the number of indigenous people killed by police," said Gregor MacLennan, spokesperson for Amazon Watch.

"Hospital workers in Bagua Chica and Bagua Grande corroborated that the police took bodies of the dead from their premises to an undisclosed location. I spoke to several people who reported that there are bodies lying at the bottom of a deep crevasse up in the hills, about 2 kilometers from the incident site. When the Church and local leaders went to investigate, the police stopped them from approaching the area," reported MacLennan.

Police and government officials have been consistently underreporting the number of indigenous people killed by police gunfire. Indigenous organizations place the number of protesters killed at least at 40, while Government officials claiming that only a handful of indigenous people were killed. Also the Garcia Government claims that 22 police officers were killed and several still missing.

"Witnesses say that it was the police who opened fire last Friday on the protesters from helicopters," MacLennan said. "Now the government appears to be destroying the bodies of slain protesters and giving very low estimates of the casualty. Given that the demonstrators were unarmed or carrying only wooden spears and the police were firing automatic weapons, the actual number of indigenous people killed is likely to be much higher." "Another eyewitness reported seeing the bodies of five indigenous people that had been burned beyond identification at the morgue. I have listened to testimony of people in tears talking about witnessing the police burning bodies," continued MacLennan.
More:
http://www.amazonwatch.org/newsroom/view_news.php?id=1843

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Page last updated at 15:10 GMT, Monday, 8 June 2009 16:10 UK
'Many missing' after Peru riots

Dozens of people are missing feared dead in northern Peru after some of the country's worst violence for 10 years. At least 30 indigenous protesters and 24 police officers are reported to have been killed in two days of clashes. Local people say a military curfew is preventing them from hunting for those still unaccounted for. Witnesses report seeing bodies dumped in a river.

President Alan Garcia has accused the protesters of "barbarity" and said "foreign forces" were also involved.

The violence erupted on Friday after 2,500 Indians - many of them carrying spears and machetes - protested over government plans to drill for gas and oil in what they consider their ancestral lands

~snip~
"The police were shooting to kill, but that's not all, because they hid the dead," one man told the BBC. "They took them to the ravine and threw them from the helicopter in plastic bags. There are also dead on the river banks. Up there beyond the hill, there are more, as if it were a common grave."

More:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8088350.stm

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Exellent thread posted at D.U. you may want to check:
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-08-09 02:26 PM
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"Go ahead and shoot the dogs in the head": Garcia's police shoot, bomb and gas protestors in Peru!
"Amazon Indigenous peoples are not first class citizens in Peru"
Peru's president Alan Garcia, justifying his attacks on civilians using snipers and bombs, which has caused between 35 to 85 deaths and hundred of injured people.
More, with photos:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5805063

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Posted: June 11, 2009 05:16 PM
Up to 250 Indigenous Peruvians Killed in Bagua, Says Leader Miguel Palacin

Originally published on GroundReport.com,the world's most trusted citizen journalism network.

By Calos Quiroz

I just finished a phone conversation with Miguel Palacin, he is the president of Coordinadora Andina de Organizaciones Indigenas (CAOI) or the Andean Coordination of Indigenous Organizations.

I first met Miguel Palacin last year at the OAS building in Washington, DC.

Currently the situation in Lima is very complicated says Palacin, because the Garcia administration is acting against the interest of most Peruvians, and the Congress of Peru last night "suspended" two decrees that Amazonian indigenous peoples had asked to be repealed.

Congress members of right-wing political caucus -including Fujimori and Garcia parties- decided in a secret alliance to suspend the decrees, in what Palacin called "a political maneuver" that doesn't even exist in the Constitution of Peru, so it's not legal.

Right now, opposition Congress members of Peru are under hunger strike inside the Congress building, blocking all debates and protesting against what they consider "a mockery" to the demands of indigenous peoples.

More:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/groundreport/up-to-250-indigenous-peru_b_214517.html

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 06:37 PM
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19. Logging threat looms over rich wilderness
Posted on Sunday, 11.14.10
AMAZON
Logging threat looms over rich wilderness
In Peru's Amazon, rare species and uncontacted tribes are at risk from quickly advancing logging.
BY DAVE SHERWOOD
Special to The Miami Herald

DULCE GLORIA, Peru -- Armed with arrows, Carmelino Vasquez scurried down the jungle path, swinging his machete with the cadence of a grandfather clock. After almost an hour on foot, he swept his bow skyward to signal the end of the hunt. ``Caoba,'' he declared, struggling to mouth the Spanish word for mahogany, a rare species of tropical hardwood coveted for its reddish brown color and elegant grain.

Here in the vast wilderness surrounding Peru's Alto Purús National Park, the locations of such trees, worth tens of thousands of dollars in the United States, have become closely guarded secrets among members of indigenous tribes.

Industrial logging is pushing ever deeper into the area, making mahogany the leading front in the ever-growing battle for control of the resource-rich Peruvian Amazon. But the threat goes far beyond any single species, said Chris Fagan, director of the Upper Amazon Conservancy.

Deforestation and the quickly advancing logging frontier have forced still-uncontacted people into violent conflict with settlers, while threatening the sanctity of one of the last, most bio-diverse places on Earth. And scientists fear for the region's vast forests, which act as an enormous sponge, soaking in the pollutants responsible for climate change.

More:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/11/14/1924929/logging-threat-looms-over-rich.html
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 06:55 PM
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20. yeah the stone age is alive and well even today
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 06:58 PM by pitohui
and i have to admit it gets my goat that there are those who would apparently keep others away from electricity, from running water, from modern medicine, forever

the expected lifespan of women in primitive societies is around 40 years old, a lot of them die in childbirth

i wouldn't keep a dog in the stone age, much less human beings, but that's just me...

i have no knowledge of these folks in peru, i halfway suspect it's a hoax, there's some history there apparently and if the hoax is needed to keep out the illegal loggers, i'm all for it...but if "folks who know better" decide, without consulting with the people or input with the people, that they should be kept isolated and living in stone age conditions, fuck that, it's just plain cruel and patronizing -- it's just as cruel and patronizing in the amazon as we ALL admit that it's cruel and patronizing in africa that people are kept in these conditions...

a prof of mine in the 1970s used to show his photos of the "lost tribe" in peru that claimed he was the first white person to make contact with them, he allowed their tall tales but the marlboro cigarettes they smoked kinda gave away the show

nations/tribes posing as "wild" to play on western myth and help get the illegal loggers off their land, i can support that, but i don't need a fucking myth and i don't insist a woman give birth w/out electricity and medicine to deserve protection from having her land stolen by illegal loggers...but maybe that's just me and there isn't enough me's and i'm naive to think they don't need to play this game
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 06:01 AM
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21. Kick
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