Secret Papers Detail U.S. Aid for Ex-Nazis

[deminks]

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — A secret history of the United States government’s Nazi-hunting operation concludes that American intelligence officials created a “safe haven” in the United States for Nazis and their collaborators after World War II, and it details decades of clashes, often hidden, with other nations over war criminals here and abroad.

The 600-page report, which the Justice Department has tried to keep secret for four years, provides new evidence about more than two dozen of the most notorious Nazi cases of the last three decades.

It describes the government’s posthumous pursuit of Dr. Josef Mengele, the so-called Angel of Death at Auschwitz, part of whose scalp was kept in a Justice Department official’s drawer; the vigilante killing of a former Waffen SS soldier in New Jersey; and the government’s mistaken identification of the Treblinka concentration camp guard known as Ivan the Terrible.

The report catalogs both the successes and failures of the band of lawyers, historians and investigators at the Justice Department’s Office of Special Investigations, which was created in 1979 to deport Nazis.

Perhaps the report’s most damning disclosures come in assessing the Central Intelligence Agency’s involvement with Nazi émigrés. Scholars and previous government reports had acknowledged the C.I.A.’s use of Nazis for postwar intelligence purposes. But this report goes further in documenting the level of American complicity and deception in such operations.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/us/14nazis.html?_r=1

[Earth_First]

1. Dr. Erich Traub nazi bio-chemical scientist was one of the founders at Plum Island...

For the inner-conspiracy theorist; check out the background on Plum Island.

[molly77]

33. I have learned a bit about Plum Island

They wanted to relocate to the Raleigh Research Triangle area. Raleigh Durham NC. If they had a melt down like Plum Island, the water contamination would have poisoned 12,000,000 people. The NC govt. and newspapers were pushing it. Under the guise of jobs. Propaganda was very similar to "shock and awe". The ongoing fight for Nazi control of the US..killing people seems to be a goal.

[Earth_First]

46. Last I knew, they wanted to move it to KANSAS!

Not only is it a research facility that deals with zoonotic diseases in middle of the agricultural heartland, it's also in a hotbed for tornadoes!

[DailyGrind51]

50. Something else will be "wrong with Kansas"?

[liberalmike27]

64. This is Common Knowledge

For those willing to read a little, which includes a lot of us. Personally I think it's the source of the raging infection of what we call, NOW.

I even had a science teacher who said our tech mostly came from German scientists, and that we got half of them, and Russia got the other half. Certainly anyone with anything to contributed wasn't put to death.

Clearly the CIA made use of agents already in the field in Russia, for instance, some 20,000 of them if what I've read holds true. Anyone with anything to profit was sucked into the U.S., willingly or by threat of death. Would you rather work for us, or be executed?

Clearly we are suffering the absorbtion, and many of the techniques being used in our corporate media now would make the NAZIs proud. We've even got brown-shirts running around. This may not make Jon Stewart happy, me saying this, but I never shy away from the truth as I see it.

[JDPriestly]

85. "the source of the raging infection of what" ails our country.

After the admission of all these NAZIs into our country (and many NAZI supporters who were not notables in the NAZI movement invaded us also in the aftermath of WWII), our country began to veer to the right.

The civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1960s were muscled out of the limelight although they, not this neo-NAZI movement, are the intellectual children of our American Revolution.

We are now moving toward being controlled by an extreme right-wing faction. We thought we conquered the NAZIs, but it remains to be seen who conquered whom.

[Kolesar]

114. Did the Nazis who fled to South American ruin those countries?

Is it coincidence that so many RW dictators were successful there?

[goforit]

115. This has been my take.

[molly77]

68. Right

Kansas was the choice after NC.

[rasputin1952]

47. Long ago, I lived in Southold LI, and Shelter Island NY...

Try to get to Plum Island by boat sometime...the CG is a powerful entity out there. In next to no time at all, all kind of stuff is coming at you from the air, the sea...it is a difficult place to get to.

[txlibdem]

67. They're selling lots there now... sounds like a place the Teapublicans would love to live

eom

[Newsjock]

2. And where is Prescott Bush in all of this?

You just know he was involved somewhere.

[JackInGreen]

8. My first thought,

No shit..."where's grampa"

[leveymg]

13. Here's what the report says about the Bush family at p. 366, ftn. 35:

Loftus argues that the Bush family made its fortune from the Holocaust. He asserts that family members served on corporate boards of Nazi front groups even after it became apparent that doing so helped the Third Reich.

That summary of John Loftus' investigative treatise is entirely consistent with numerous other sources, but not in itself an eye-opener for many of us here.

[leveymg]

14. Here's more on Prescott Bush's involvement with the Nazis and the 1934 Banker's Plot against FDR

HARPER'S (7/29/07): Prescott Bush was "key liaison" w/Nazis in 1934 "Plot Against America"

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000651


TITLE 1934: The Plot Against America
DEPARTMENT No Comment
BY Scott Horton
PUBLISHED July 28, 2007

I’m back from the land of heather and thistles, not to mention wee drams and lukewarm ale, but on my way out a friend at the BBC alerted me to this, a not-to-miss program on the BBC this morning, accessible over the next several days by internet. It’s the story of the Plot Against America. I don’t mean the Philip Roth novel, nor even the Sinclair Lewis book, It Can’t Happen Here, but rather the historical events upon which these two works of fiction were based.

In November 1934, federal investigators uncovered an amazing plot involving some two dozen senior businessmen, a good many of them Wall Street financiers, to topple the government of the United States and install a fascist dictatorship. Roth’s novel is developed from several strands of this factual account; he assumed the plot is actually carried out, whereas in fact an alert FDR shut it down but stopped short of retaliatory measures against the plotters. A key element of the plot involved a retired prominent general who was to have raised a private army of 500,000 men from unemployed veterans and who blew the whistle when he learned more of what the plot entailed. The plot was heavily funded and well developed and had strong links with fascist forces abroad. A story in the New York Times and several other newspapers reported on it, and a special Congressional committee was created to conduct an investigation. The records of this committee were scrubbed and sealed away in the National Archives, where they have only recently been made available.

The Congressional committee kept the names of many of the participants under wraps and no criminal action was ever brought against them. But a few names have leaked out. And one is Prescott Bush, the grandfather of the incumbent president. Prescott Bush was of course deep into the business of the Hamburg-America Lines, and had tight relations throughout this period with the new Government that had come to power in Germany a year earlier under Chancellor Aldoph Hitler. It appears that Bush was to have formed a key liaison for the group with the new German government.

Prescott Bush, of course, went on to service as a U.S. Senator from Connecticut, and his son, George H.W. Bush emerged from World War II as a hero.

The Plot Against America portrayed in this episode of the BBC series “Document” gives fascinating insight into a dark and little known piece of American history in which the nation stood on the brink of betrayal. The role of the most powerful political dynastic family in the nation’s history in this whole affair is shocking.

Some of the other prominent figures in American finance and industry involved in this coup plot were "leading officers of the Morgan and Du Pont empires. This included some of America's richest and most famous names of the time:

Irenee Du Pont - Right-wing chemical industrialist and founder of the American Liberty League, the organization assigned to execute the plot.
Grayson Murphy - Director of Goodyear, Bethlehem Steel and a group of J.P. Morgan banks.
William Doyle - Former state commander of the American Legion and a central plotter of the coup.
John Davis - Former Democratic presidential candidate and a senior attorney for J.P. Morgan.
Al Smith - Roosevelt's bitter political foe from New York. Smith was a former governor of New York and a codirector of the American Liberty League.
John J. Raskob - A high-ranking Du Pont officer and a former chairman of the Democratic Party. In later decades, Raskob would become a "Knight of Malta," a Roman Catholic Religious Order with a high percentage of CIA spies, including CIA Directors William Casey, William Colby and John McCone.
Robert Clark - One of Wall Street's richest bankers and stockbrokers.
Gerald MacGuire - Bond salesman for Clark, and a former commander of the Connecticut American Legion. MacGuire was the key recruiter to General Butler." http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/27/112936/440 ; http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Coup.htm

BOTTOM LINE: When you put together the new National Archives evidence contained in the BBC report referenced by Klein and Horton with the older material published about Gen. Butler, we now have solid sourcing to establish the following:

In 1934, Prescott Bush conspired with leading figures on Wall St. to form an alliance with Nazi Germany in an attempt to overthrow FDR.

Treason.

[Lasher]

18. FDR shut it down but stopped short of retaliatory measures against the plotters

I have never understood why FDR gave these traitors a pass.

[tomg]

19. And now the grandson also gets a

pass on being a war criminal.

[melm00se]

22. Think it through for a second:

You have a country in the middle of the Depression; Banks and Wall Street did not exactly have the best reputation; many of the conspirators were bankers and financiers; if FDR really went out of his way to publicly and harshly, from his POV he ran the risk of undermining what little credibility that finance sector had and probably would have set back what recovery was building momentum.

This is the challenge with analyzing history and asking "well, why didn't he/she do this or that?". You already know how this all played out, but the players at the time had no idea what was going to happen next; they were guessing (educated ones to be share but guesses nonetheless) and hoping that they guessed right.

[Lasher]

23. I have considered that angle before.

It still doesn't justify leaving scoundrels in their influential positions where they might have attempted more acts of treason. This is a question of practicality, and doesn't get into the important moral implications.

[melm00se]

25. put yourself in FDRs shoes

FDR, contrary to his popular image, was a political animal thus very aware of the flow of power around him. FDR, in 1932-1934, was an early 1st term president. He had not fully consolidated his power throughout the federal bureaucracy, judiciary or legislative branches (that was to come later) so if he had jumped in and brought the full weight of the government upon these folks he risked not winning.

The central witness was Bulter whose support of Roosevelt and, at the time, controversial and suspect, anti-capitalist leanings (people were afraid of communists, anarchists and other folks that could be loosely categorized in either) made him a suspect witness. The motivation of his testimony before Congress (and on the witness stand) could have been called into question creating reasonable doubt for an acquittal.

So you have:

- an economic crisis that could be exacerbated if you move against them.
- evidence that can be used for a later time, which gives you:
- leverage in case you have a pressing need (see below)

By not moving you:

- know which hand holds the knife
- prevent (or at least have the ability to find out, via the above leverage, where) the knife from shifting to another, unknown hand

you have a pretty strong poker hand. Why toss it away? bundle it all up, put in a box that says "Break Glass in case of Emergency" and move on.

context, context, context and using the information only available to the key players is the way to understand why an action was or was not taken.

Using another, far more expansive, example:

If Neville Chamberlain had foreknowledge of what was to happen 1 year in the future, would he have made the same decisions he did? Would that knowledge have changed his action at the Munich Conference instead of attempting to defuse the tick German bomb through appeasement?

[atreides1]

35. All good points

But the knife was passed down, and may yet again be passed to Jeb. FDR evidently wasn't a chess player, he dealt with his present, instead of looking at what moves his opponent might make later in the game.

[Lasher]

60. You are correct about the smear campaign against Butler

As a matter of fact, there actually was a concerted effort to discredit him. It occurred while the McCormack-Dickstein committee met in November 1934 and continued afterward. But it backfired after a Time magazine smear article was published in December that year. We are left to wonder how this might have played out if it had been handled differently by FDR.

And you make another good point about this happening early in FDR's time in office. He did, however, have another decade after that to act against these fascists and did not.

[melm00se]

82. he did have additional terms

to make his move but again, look at the big picture situation:

1st term he had a (slightly) improving economy which was fragile and any upset could have completely shattered any gains he had made;

2nd term: an unexpected spike in unemployment and the writing on the wall of a rapidly deteriorating geo-political situation (not the time to throw the country into an uproar);

3rd term: he was into a full blown World War (again not the time to upset the domestic applecart especially when you needed the full support of bankers and moneylenders to finance the war);

4th term: a winding down war where upsetting the applecart may have crystallized a nation's war weariness (after 10 years of hardship and 4 of them in war, the American people were tired) and prevented WWII from being run to conclusion. Had WWII ended like WWI, the same tensions would have popped up 10-15 years later but this time with the specter of nuclear armed opponents (the US had the bomb and Germany was a lot closer than many people think). had he lived past the end of the war it might have played out completely differently.

[Lasher]

88. You are correct, I now understand what his thought process might have been.

And I will leave the moral can of worms unopened. Thank you, it's a pleasure to argue with an intelligent person who knows how to engage in civil debate.

[RaleighNCDUer]

95. And, quite coincidentallly of course, since that time we've had four

notoriously corrupt Republican administrations which left office leaving financial crises in their wake, and every one of them escaped most, if not all, responsibililty because of the need to restore the faith of the public in our economhy - Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Bush all went out on economic low notes, and none saw any retaliation against the corporate/governmental corruption because we had to "whip inflation now" and have a "thousand points of light" and "look ahead, not behind".

[defendandprotect]

108. But look at HUAC ... orginally set up to investigate right wing ....

and instead of actually doing that -- though I think they got Prescott Bush on

"Trading With the Enemy" -- and confiscated his funds --

Prescott had been -- along with Dulles and his legal firm Cromwell & Sullivan --

setting up front companies to raise money for Hitler/NAZIS.

Holland America Line was involved in this scam --


but at any rate, with all of that NAZI stuff going on .... nonetheless they did

little about it but only really got going when they diverted HUAC to investigating

LIBERALS!! They purged liberals from government all based on lies --

Lies of McCarthy and Nixon --

[ProudDad]

81. "professional courtesy"?

Birds of a Feather?

Class Solidarity?

[dotymed]

45. Just like we didn't

"look back" and prosecute Bush for war crimes.
Guess what? The "Industrialists" have won.

[underpants]

62. Smedley Butler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye", was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean during the Banana Wars, and France in World War I. By the end of his career he had received 16 medals, five of which were for heroism. He is one of 19 people to twice receive the Medal of Honor, one of three to be awarded both the Marine Corps Brevet Medal and the Medal of Honor, and the only person to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions.

In addition to his military achievements, he served as the Director of Public Safety in Philadelphia for two years and was an outspoken critic of U.S. military adventurism. In his 1935 book War is a Racket, he described the workings of the military-industrial complex and, after retiring from service, became a popular speaker at meetings organized by veterans, pacifists and church groups in the 1930s.

In 1934 he was involved in a controversy known as the Business Plot when he told a congressional committee that a group of wealthy industrialists had approached him to lead a military coup to overthrow Franklin D. Roosevelt. The individuals that were involved denied the existence of a plot, and the media ridiculed the allegations. The final report of the committee claimed that there was evidence that such a plot existed, but no charges were ever filed. The opinion of most historians is that while planning for a coup was not very advanced, wild schemes were discussed.

In November 1934, Butler told the committee that a group of businessmen, claiming to be backed by a private army of 500,000 ex-soldiers and others, intended to establish a fascist dictatorship. Butler had been asked to lead it, he said, by Gerald P. MacGuire, a bond salesman with Grayson M–P Murphy & Co. The New York Times reported that Butler had told friends that General Hugh S. Johnson, a former official with the National Recovery Administration, was to be installed as dictator. Butler said MacGuire had told him the attempted coup was backed by three million dollars, and that the 500,000 men were probably to be assembled in Washington, D.C. the following year. All the parties alleged to be involved, including Johnson, said there was no truth in the story, calling it a joke and a fantasy.<52>

The McCormack-Dickstein Committee confirmed some of Butler's accusations in its final report. "In the last few weeks of the committee's official life it received evidence showing that certain persons had made an attempt to establish a fascist organization in this country...There is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient."<61>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler#Claims_of_the_Business_Plot

[molly77]

70. The fact that none of the bushes have been prosecuted for

criminal conduct and war crimes also points in the same direction as this article and discussion.

[goforit]

117. Also GHWB took out Kennedy and tried to take out Reagan.

And GWB/Cheney took out Gore.
And what are the next coming events from these clowns?

[hughee99]

17. It seems like the Bush family already had a fortune before Nazi's came to power. n/t

[24601]

56. My mind is already made up, don't confuse me with facts. n/t

[leveymg]

101. Of course they were already rich. But, never too rich. This is what Loftus has to say about that:

Extract from "Former Federal Prosecutor John Loftus confirms the Bush-Nazi scandal" published on October 31. 2003

http://hubpages.com/hub/The_Bush-Nazi_scandal_by_John_Loftus_former_Federal_Prosecutor

"These long buried US government files demonstrate that the Bush family stayed on the corporate boards of Nazi front groups even after they knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were helping the financial cause of the Third Reich. It was all about the money. Nazi Germany is where the Bush family fortune came from, and where the Harrimans, and the Rockefellers increased their fortunes to obscene proportions.

Of course some of them were quite rich to begin with. The Harriman railroad monopoly helped create the Rockefeller oil monopoly in the 1800's. Their despicable price fixing schemes earned them the press label "the Robber Barons." My favorite Republican Teddy Roosevelt ruined their rapacious profits with his anti-monopoly and anti-trust legislation.

The Robber Barons bribed Congress (it happens) into passing a loophole, the Web-Pomerene Act of 1918 which legalized cartels and monopolies outside the borders of the United States. This loophole law let the Robber Barons loose to prey on a helpless world already ravaged by the human and and financial cost of WWI.

Averil Harriman (patriarch of the famous Democratic family) promptly broke another American law by secretly financing the Bolsheviks while American, British and White Russian troops were still fighting against the infant communist revolution. (The FBI "ARCOS" files on Harriman's connections with the Soviets are quite a read). Harriman bribed Lenin into letting him take over the Czar's cartels, which exported managanese, iron ore and other raw materials. Harriman shipped the Russian raw materials to his German partners, the Thyssens, who had been secretly bought out by the Rockefellers.

The Rockefeller's lawyers, the Dulles Brothers, had deliberately and systematically bankrupted the German economy with the Versaille Treaty. German currency was almost worthless after WWI, and so the Dulles brother's favorite clients, the Rockefellers, were able to buy the stock of nearly every German company for a song. The great sucking sound that preceeded the Great Depression was the whistling of Wall Street money out of America into Germany, Russia (and as a side deal, Saudi Arabia). Two generations later, we are still paying for it.

The Robber Barons did not call it an international crime. They called it synergy. Harriman's Soviet cartels would deliver the raw materials, Rockfeller's high-tech German companies (the Thyssens) would process the manganese into steel for Harriman's railroads. To save transportation costs, the Robber Barons looked for a middle ground in eastern Poland for a future factory site. It had to be in the coal fields of Silesia, on the banks of the Vistula river, where a canal could be dug to ship materials in cheaply from Russia. The Polish town was named Oswieczim, later known to the world by its German name: Auschwitz.

It was not a killing factory then, although slave labor was always contemplated for the maximum profit factor. Auschwitz was designed to process Silesian coal into tar additives necessary for Russian aviation fuel. It was a high tech German chemical factory built to balance out Harriman's Russian-to-Germany export trade.

[goforit]

119. Leveymg....thanks for these links. Un-fucking believable

[fascisthunter]

122. right wingers share many characteristics with German Nazis

[fascisthunter]

121. yes, but the Bush Family made more money while Nazis were in Power

[SpiralHawk]

29. "Smirk." - Bush Family Evil Republicon Empire (R - Nazi)

[Cetacea]

49. A cure for that image

[txlibdem]

69. When I am elected Emperor...

these are the people who will be cleaning your toilets and picking up trash along the highway.


Vote for me!!!

[molly77]

71. They are smiling but they are scary.

[molly77]

34. If war criminals had been prosecuted after WWII

The US would have never had the bushes as presidents and controllers of the country. Says a lot about US.

[dotymed]

36. The class of people that "our owners" like bushco fall into,

go with the flow. As long as they profit and retain their title and "beautiful minds..... Billy Graham on speed dial.......Halelujah

[Larry Ogg]

73. He was busy pushing the elite predator class code of conduct through our political infrastructure...

e.g. fawning conservatives of both parties and lowering moral values so Nazis would have a nice place to live, thrive, retire and spread narcissism...

It seems as though he was pretty successful too, as I can only assume that there exist a policy (real or imagined and secret) that deals with what to do with psychopathic war hero's that people of conscience call criminal… And from what I can see going on in today’s perspective, theirs a policy of don't ask, don't tell, don't pursue, don’t talk about it, don’t investigate, impeach or prosecute - unless of course you can blame it on the liberals who now have almost zero representation in Washington.

[earth mom]

87. If Prescott had gone to jail for aiding the Nazis would the Bush family even had the horrific impact

on this country that it has?

Think of all the people who would NOT have died in the BFEE wars!!!

And people get upset when the Bush family is referred to as Nazis! :wtf:

[Blue_Tires]

3. I thought it was common knowledge that the CIA

Adapted many of their early "techniques" from captured Nazi researchers, documents and experiment data...

Good to see it get some attention...

[Octafish]

4. The nation's leadership has more to answer for.

Thank you for the heads-up on the NYT article, deminks. Wonder what else will scurry out from under that rock?

Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes.

[Judi Lynn]

38. Glad to catch the thread this time for bookmarking. Thanks. n/t

[Octafish]

53. You are most welcome, Judi Lynn. Some things bear repeating...

For instance:

Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

Power and Money: In both, one has to has to be "in the know" to use inside information. That's why the Have-Mores and Capitalism's Invisible Army compartmentalize information.

[Solly Mack]

5. K&R

[defendandprotect]

6. "Operation Paperclip" gives details on this ... Allen Dulles brought Nazis in... tens of thousands .

post-WWII to .... fight "communism" --!!

Used them to found the CIA - -

funneled them into the FBI and other government agencies --

Evidently, JFK was beginning to discover this program --

[jxnmsdemguy65]

74. and that is one of the reasons why JFK was killed...

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Nazi%20Connection%20to%20JFK%20Assass.html

[defendandprotect]

102. Agree with you -- and LOVE Mae Brussel ...

when did you find her?

I found her long ago -- but never actually heard her live on radio --

I've always read as much of her as I can!!

:)

[Proletariatprincess]

7. I'm not clear why this is news to anyone.....

Am I missing something here? I thought that it was well known that the USA recruited ex-Nazis by the thousands after WWII. The US has always had a strong nationalist/authoritarian streak. There was a large Nazi movement in the USA before the War...but that is well known too.
Is this about finally having documented proof? I'm not sure what that will mean, if anything, in the long run.
I just hope this is the beginning of an interesting thread here on DU.

[molly77]

37. proletariatprincess

Why is this news? Why are newspaper subscriptions way way down? Nightly news viewers , same thing? MSM is state media. State media is boring. Boring is one thing the American people will not tolerate.

[bluesmail]

9. Thanks for posting this long buried true story.

[leveymg]

10. Check out p 357 - Reagan a suspected part of US intel program to import Nazis into US from Belarus

luminaries of the Nazi regime. 2 Loftus told then OSI Deputy Director Ryan that the U.S. intelligence community had knowingly defied inlmigration laws to make this wholesale emigration possible. The motive, according to Loftus, waS to have the Byelorussians assist the intelligence community in anticommunist activities. Loftus even suggested that Ronald Reagan (who had been an actor during the relevant years) had been involved in the conspiracy.3 In October 1980, Ryan sent a memorandum (drafted by Loftus) to the Attorney General about the ....Belarus Project." Although OSI did not routinely apprise the Attorney General of matters under investigation, Ryan did so in this case partly because Reagan was then a presidential candidate.....I didn't want any accusation that we were trying to cover things up or save Reagan a month before the election.... I also wanted expanded resources for this investigation." The memorandum detailed Loftus' thesis, to wit, that the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC), a component of the CIA which worked with the Departments of State and Defense, had assisted Bye10russian Nazis in entering the United States under the guise of displaced persons. Based on . . updated" information, the memo stated that virtually all the Nazi leaders had been brought over, not just the 40% Loftus had originally estimated. Although many of the emigres had since died, the memorandum focused on five individuals considered most worthy of further investigation. Ryan advised that '''the Belarus investigation is the single most important matter that OSI is no\v engaged in, and that thorough exploration of its ramifications is essential if OSI is to fulfill the Department's mandate to take appropriate legal action against Nazi war criminals."

357

http://documents.nytimes.com/confidential-report-provides-new-evidence-of-notorious-nazi-cases#text/p368

Ftn. 3 at that chapter attributes the source to OSI Director Ryan. (p. 365): "3. Recorded interview with Allan Ryan, Jan. 4, 2005. All references to statements or actions by Ryan in this chapter come from this interview unless otherwise noted."

This suggests that Ronald Reagan was part of a cabal of Nazi sympathizers in the U.S., and that this may account for why his political career received extraordinary assistance. We all know that the father of his 1980 running mate, George H.W. Bush, had extensive ties with the Third Reich and was a key financier of the Nazi regime from its earliest days, was tapped as the liaison with Germany in the Banker's Plot to overthrow FDR, according to Scott Horton in Harper's Magazine. Prescott Bush, a virtual neophyte in Republican politics, was handed the Senatorial seat for Connecticut in 1952, a reward for services rendered to the American Nazi elites.

Were the 1980 Republican President and Vice Presidential candidates an all-Nazi ticket?

[leveymg]

15. Here's what that RWR reference may be pointing to:

Numerous Hollywood luminaries, including studio Mogul Jack Warner, were open enthusiasts of Fascism in the 1930s. Prominent among them was Errol Flynn.

Errol Flynn -- The famed actor, whose exploits included meetings
with Nazi sympathizers, and the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, and
Nazi spymasters during the late 30s. His roommate and constant com-
panion at the time was actor Ronald Reagan.

Source: Errol Flynn: The Untold Story, Charles Higharn (NOTE: Flynn's
SS contact was Dr. Herman Friedrick Erban, who joined the
Nazis in 1922, the Gestapo in 1930, and became a U.S.
citizen.)


At the end of the Second World War, the unit within US intelligence most responsible for running Eastern European Nazi collaborators was the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC), headed by Frank Wisner. Frank G. Wisner -- An official of the OSS and a CIA veteran was instrumental in bringing the Byelorussian government here, the Latvian Thunder Cross, the Hungarian Arrow Cross, and the Roumanian Iron Guard among others. As many as 5,000 came to work at Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty, the CIA, the Voice of America, the Defense Language Institute. Wisner was also a prime mover in Operation Mockingbird, the domestic Cold War propaganda effort that brought him into contact with many leading Hollywood and media figures, as the following account tells us: http://justinwrites.wordpress.com/2010/04/17/operation-mockingbird-and-the-office-of-policy-coordination/.

-Operation Mockingbird-

In 1948 Frank Wisner was appointed director of the Office of Special Projects. Soon afterwards it was renamed the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC). This became the espionage and counter-intelligence branch of the Central Intelligence Agency. Wisner was told to create an organization that concentrated on “propaganda, economic warfare; preventive direct action, including sabotage, anti-sabotage, demolition and evacuation measures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-Communist elements in threatened countries of the free world.”

Later that year Wisner established Mockingbird, a program to influence the domestic American media. Wisner recruited Philip Graham (Washington Post) to run the project within the industry. Graham himself recruited others who had worked for military intelligence during the war. This included James Truitt, Russell Wiggins, Phil Geyelin, John Hayes and Alan Barth. Others like Stewart Alsop, Joseph Alsop and James Reston, were recruited from within the Georgetown Set. According to Deborah Davis (Katharine the Great): “By the early 1950s, Wisner ‘owned’ respected members of the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles.”

In 1951 Allen W. Dulles persuaded Cord Meyer to join the CIA. However, there is evidence that he was recruited several years earlier and had been spying on the liberal organizations he had been a member of in the later 1940s. According to Deborah Davis, Meyer became Mockingbird’s “principal operative”.

One of the most important journalists under the control of Operation Mockingbird was Joseph Alsop, whose articles appeared in over 300 different newspapers. Other journalists willing to promote the views of the CIA included Stewart Alsop (New York Herald Tribune), Ben Bradlee (Newsweek), James Reston (New York Times), C. D. Jackson (Time Magazine), Walter Pincus (Washington Post), William C. Baggs (Miami News), Herb Gold (Miami News) and Charles Bartlett (Chattanooga Times). According to Nina Burleigh (A Very Private Woman) these journalists sometimes wrote articles that were commissioned by Frank Wisner. The CIA also provided them with classified information to help them with their work.

After 1953 the network was overseen by Allen W. Dulles, director of the Central Intelligence Agency. By this time Operation Mockingbird had a major influence over 25 newspapers and wire agencies. These organizations were run by people with well-known right-wing views such as William Paley (CBS), Henry Luce (Time Magazine and Life Magazine), Arthur Hays Sulzberger (New York Times), Alfred Friendly (managing editor of the Washington Post), Jerry O’Leary (Washington Star), Hal Hendrix (Miami News), Barry Bingham Sr., (Louisville Courier-Journal), James Copley (Copley News Services) and Joseph Harrison (Christian Science Monitor).

The Office of Policy Coordination (OPC) was funded by siphoning of funds intended for the Marshall Plan. Some of this money was used to bribe journalists and publishers. Frank Wisner was constantly looked for ways to help convince the public of the dangers of communism. In 1954 Wisner arranged for the funding the Hollywood production of Animal Farm, the animated allegory based on the book written by George Orwell.

[destes]

24. Frank Wisner had a son who retired in Feb. 2009........................

...............wait for it..................from a position as vice-chairman of AIG. Before that he had been on the board of a subsidiary of ENRON.

Beware of overachievers and their progeny.

[SpiralHawk]

76. Oh Jeez

Evil octopus tentacles reach far around the throat of the USA...

[jxnmsdemguy65]

79. Frank Wisner Jr. is the pivotal player in what is referred to as "Operation Sarkozy"

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=4618

[leveymg]

97. small world, indeed, wisner is sarkozy's step-father! amazingly incestuous world!

[molly77]

72. leveymg

Thank you for this post. Interesting.

[defendandprotect]

104. Thanks! Carl Bernstein also reported on CIA journalists in our "free press" ....

that appeared in Rolling Stone Mag -- at the time, he was estimating about

400 CIA "journalists" --

Sometime later, he was reporting on 1,200 --

Congress have never barred the CIA from doing this though subject has often been

brought up!

What are the numbers now? Including Pentagon Generals under contract????

What a farce!!!


Presumably Mockingbird is still in effect .... !

[boppers]

109. Mockingbird changed.

Like any program found to be undesirable, it has different rules now, but spreading black/silver/white information continues to this day.

[defendandprotect]

111. Well, cover ups of assassinations continue on ....

as do the necessity for them to ridicule other challenges --

multitude of assassinations, murders -- 9/11 --

That's why the right wing is so murderously involved in keeping hold of power --

imagine all of this crap pouring out!!???

[leveymg]

105. More on Reagan's association with an OPC operation, "The Crusade for Freedom"

In 1950, Reagan joined a group called “The Crusade for Freedom,” which called for the liberation of Eastern Europe from Soviet domination and the rollback of communism in Asia. The Crusade was headed by former General Lucius Clay, a hard-core anti-communist who advocated nuclear war against the Soviet Union. Reagan's role was as a paid spokesman. At that time, Reagan, then head of the Screen Actors Guild, was also an FBI informant. C. Vann Woodward, writing in the New York Times, in 1987, reported that Reagan had "fed the names of suspect people in his organization to the FBI secretly and regularly enough to be assigned 'an informer's code number, T-10.' His FBI file indicates intense collaboration with producers to 'purge' the industry of subversives."

Reagan worked for both the CIA and the FBI.

The Crusade was actually a front group organized by Frank Wisner's OPC, the covert action arm of the CIA. It served as an outsourcing operation for CIA-run psychological warfare efforts directed at rousing public support in the United States, which if done by the Agency directly would have violated the CIA charter, which forbade propaganda directed at domestic audiences. Part of its mission was to legitimize and bankroll the so-called "rat-lines" which brought Nazi sympathizers in Eastern Europe to the United States and other western countries to be trained and organized by the OPC as anti-communist guerrillas and propagandists, "freedom fighters," Reagan called them in his radio addresses -- in the U.S. (John Loftus, The Belarus Secret, New York: Knopf, 1982, pp. 107-41.) Here's more about the Crusade, and one of its projects, "Radio Free Asia": http://www.historytimes.com/fresh-perspectives-in-history/20th-century-history/cold-war/623-cia-crusade-for-freedom-and-radio-free-asia?showall=1.

On May 2, 1951, General Lucius D. Clay, National Chairman of the Crusade for Freedom, announced two goals for the second annual Crusade campaign: enrollment of 25 million Americans and public contributions of $3,500,00 to build two more “freedom” stations in Europe and begin the construction Radio Free Asia.

The Advertising Council put out a Crusade for Freedom fact sheet for the American media, in which Radio Free Asia was mentioned in some detail: “Although it is patterned generally after the National Committee for a Free Europe, there are substantial differences because of the more complex pattern of national viewpoints across the Pacific, and because of the different pattern of Red Aggression in Asia. For one thing, CFA is not only engaged in fighting Communism where it has already seized control, but is also waging a preventive battle to keep Kremlin doctrine from spreading to other Eastern nations.”

< . . .>

John W. Elwood, the first director of Radio Free Asia was quoted by Time magazine on September 17, 1951, as saying “Because we have no government ties, we can say anything we damn please.” Time told its readers, “Like its sister organization, Radio Free Europe, R.F.A. was founded by a group of private U.S. citizens who feel that the Voice of America, though effective in its way, is sometimes hampered because of "good & sufficient reasons of national policy."

The symbol chosen for Radio Free Asia was a replica of a wooden Asian bell with the slogan “Let Freedom Ring.” Radio Free Asia broadcasts were expanded to three hours in December 1951 and a third Chinese dialect, Hakka, was added to the broadcast languages.

There was an extraordinary meeting of CIA and the U.S. State Department leadership on November 21, 1951, in the home of State Department official Edward W. Barrett, Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs and an early member of the National Committee for Free Europe. Representing the CIA, were Allen Dulles, Frank Wisner, Lloyd, Deputy Chief, Psychological Staff Division, and Tom Braden, Chief, International Branch, Psychological Division, OPC.

One of the items on which the attendees agreed was that “Radio Free Asia would undergo no further expansion until the future course of the Committee for Free Asia had been settled in a manner satisfactory to both CIA and State.” The CIA’s Tom Braden said, “RFA is staying right there where it is until they are given further orders.”

[defendandprotect]

103. Makes a lot of sense .... thanks for the find ...!! Good ole Reagan ...!!! Yikes!

[Greyhound]

11. The Heritage Foundation was a big part of this. n/t

[EFerrari]

12. Gives a whole new slant to "heritage".

How where they part of it? I've never heard that bit.

[ConsAreLiars]

21. Greyhound probably means they continue it.

That org was created in 1977, although the tradition and ideology it carries forward far predate the Henry Ford Prescott Bush and other US Corporatist fascist's support for their best friends in Germany, Spain and Italy..

[Solly Mack]

57. Nixon to GOP Heritage Groups Council to Heritage Foundation to Poppy to Shrub

George HW Bush and His Campaign Nazis

Shrub's Whites House dinner invites included Laszlo Pasztor The link in the first thread is now dead, so I got the archived link.


Laszlo Pasztor was an advisor to Paul Weyrich, co-founder of the Heritage Foundation and the Free Congress Foundation. (which has its own begets)

From the SPLC

"Most remarkable of all, one of Weyrich's long-time advisers on European-American issues has been Laszlo Pasztor Sr. The aging Pasztor, an ardent foe of communism, was active with the Hungarian Arrow Cross in the 1940s, when it was collaborating with the Nazis. Pasztor says he did not participate in the anti-Semitic violence promoted by the Arrow Cross Party. Pasztor currently has office space in Washington, D.C., provided by the Coalitions for America, a group chaired by Weyrich and located in the same building as the Free Congress Foundation, and described by it as its "sister organization"


New York Times

Bush Campaign Adviser Quits
AP
Published: September 14, 1988


"WASHINGTON— A sixth adviser to the Presidential campaign of Vice President Bush resigned today after allegations were raised about anti-Semitic involvements. The campaign said the official, Radi Slavoff, quit as national co-chairman of Bulgarians for Bush. An article in The Philadelphia Inquirer identified Mr. Slavoff as former chief of a Bulgarian group formed after World War II and consisting of members of the Nazi-aligned Bulgarian Legion. Mr. Slavoff did not return calls today"



The Atlanta Journal and The Atlanta Constitution

Bush Supporters Tied To Neo-Nazis Came From GOP Council


"Bush Supporters Tied To Neo-Nazis Came From GOP Council
Date: September 15, 1988 Publication: Page Number: A/6 Word Count: 358

Vice President George Bush's ethnic coalition, shaken by allegations that some members have neo-Nazi or anti-Semitic backgrounds, was drawn largely from the Republican Party's Heritage Groups Council, a little-publicized network of political activists of different nationalities.

Among the seven members of the Bush coalition who resigned this week are the founder of the heritage council, Laszlo Pasztor, and its current executive director, Radi Slavoff."



REPORT SAYS EMIGRES WITH NAZI TIES FORM GOP UNIT

"In the past week the names and backgrounds of several members have been reported in Washington Jewish Week and the Philadelphia Inquirer. Since those reports, seven supporters with alleged ties to Nazi collaborationist or fascist groups have resigned from his campaign. An eighth Bush associate, Frederic V. Malek, resigned as deputy chairman of the Republican National Committee after The Washington Post reported he conducted a survey of Jews in top-level positions at the Bureau of Labor Statistics during the administration.

Four of the seven council members who resigned from Bush's campaign are described in the report. They include: , the founding chairman of the council, who the report says began his career in a Hungarian pro-Nazi party and served as an attache to Berlin at the end of World War II; Radi Slavoff, a one-time member of the Bulgarian National Front, a fascist group established after World War II by members of a pro-Hitler group; Florian Galdau, East Coast recruiter for the pro-Nazi Iron Guard in the United States and a defender and associate of Romanian Archbishop Valerian Trifa, who was prosecuted for concealing war crimes in Romania; and Philip Guarino, described as an honorary American member of the conspiratorial P-2 Lodge of Italy, which plotted to overthrow the Italian government.

Bohdon Fedorak, another coalition member who resigned, introduced Bush at a Captive Nations banquet in Michigan on July 20. The report said that Fedorak's remarks included a strong denunciation of the Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations, which investigates war crimes. "Bush nodded his agreement and applauded the comment," the report said."

[EFerrari]

78. And Nixon was a mentee of Prescott Bush's.

Thanks, there it is.

[Solly Mack]

99. You're welcome.

I've been reading the report. It fills in some gaps and brings up even more questions.

CIA,NAZIS/fascists/"anti-communists", Republicans...all rather incestuous.

[defendandprotect]

106. Prescott hired Nixon to run for Congress -- and provided SLUSH FUND over his salary....

This was a group of GOP right wingers --

imagine how many more they recruited?

[Greyhound]

91. I have a book (somewhere in a box, of course) that was written in the 80's

that documented all the nitty-gritty. Chiefly, it served as an "employer" for a bunch of Nazis and Nazi sympathizers in the decades after the war.

I almost didn't post this at all since I can't remember the names and details any longer. One of their more infamous employees was the former Commandant of one of the camps in what was Czechoslovakia. As with so many of them, his former nation tried, in vain, to have him extradited for trial and execution, but he was working with the CIA and they blocked it.

Ms. Greyhound can't remember any details either. :(

Hopefully I will run across it in the next couple months as we weed out stuff to keep from the stuff to leave. It's quite a fascinating, and eye opening, story. The current disaster has been coming for a very long time. Joe Coors has been one of the worst of the bad guys for a very long time.

[EFerrari]

94. Thanks, Greyhound. Unlike yourselves

I never knew this part of the story. :)

[SpiralHawk]

32. Republicons and RepubliBaggers luvs them some Heritage fascist crap

God save America from these dark-side occultist republicon creeps.

[proteus_lives]

16. The USSR did the same thing.

They were less subtle about it with their Nazis. They were more like, "Work for us or we shoot you and send your family to a gulag."

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

120. Well, gee, I guess that makes it all right then!

:eyes:

[newfie11]

20. UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE!!!!!

There is little to be proud of this country anymore.

[Octafish]

52. What surprises me is there is still so much good.

Now that we know how we got into the mess, it'll be somewhat quicker to get into a better place.

You know what will benefit the most from this secret history being exposed? Democracy.

[fascisthunter]

123. There is More Good

we are just having a tough time with bad. We out number them

[tavalon]

26. I thought that was one of our rather well known shames

Like the School of the America's or whatever abomination of a name that they call it these days. Still open, still teaching torture.

Much of our space program and missile program was assisted by "our" Nazis. Not anything I'm any more proud of than that my grandfather was a member of the KKK, but just as well known to me.

[pam4water]

27. Time to break out the Tom Lehrer Song Wernher von Braun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio&feature=related

[Kolesar]

40. Those lyrics were posted in the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum in the Von Braun exhibition

In ~1992. The US moved the missle makers to Huntsville, Alabama in Operation Paperclip, IIRC.

[pam4water]

89. Really! Good. Wait, there was Von Braun exhibition exhibition XD

[Kolesar]

113. The exhibit was artists' renderings from Collins Magazine of what spacecraft would look like

The paintings were based on sketches by Von Braun. I took photos with my big Minolta 35mm camera.

There were other exhibits, too. The Smithsonian is the coolest thing in Washington.

[panzerfaust]

28. Sadly, this sort of thing is not to be found in US history books: Especially not here in Texas

[ProudDad]

83. You might enjoy this...The New Textbooks of Texas...

The New Textbooks of Texas
Emily P. Kingsley and Sharon Lerner c. 2010
Tune: Yellow Rose of Texas

(In the) new textbooks of Texas,
here's what you're gonna see;
A brand new take on science, and a change in history.
(We'll play) down the lib'ral sixties, play up the Moral Right.
We'll praise our Founding Fathers,
who were Christian, male and white.

Except for Thomas Jefferson, who once was hailed as great.
He's dropped 'cause he be - li_eved
that church is sep'rate from state.
We'll have some brand new heroes,
Joe McCarthy and his ilk - -
Newt Gingrich, Phyllis Schlafly,
but we'll leave out Harvey Milk.

There ain't no global warming, in Alaska it's still cold,
(And we're) saying that our planet's
only thousands of years old.
(There'll be) no more talk of Darwin, only Adam and his Eve,
(And you) won't find same sex marriage
between Adam and his Steve.

(We won't) talk a-bout abortion,
we won't mention Jews or gays.
No La - tinos, women's movement, and no Muslim holidays.
(Lib'ral) scientists can all complain,
we're deaf to their attacks,
('cause the) new textbooks of Texas
will have ev'rything......but facts !

[LawnKorn]

30. So did the Bush family profit from the importation of Nazis after WWII

The Nazis had the brain power for advanced weapons systems. I am sure profit seekers in the military industrial complex would want people like Wernher von Braun designing their missiles with the Bush family quietly cashing in from a distance.

[molly77]

41. Hitler privatized a lot of things while he was in power

Railroads was one of them. Nazi buddies were able to buy them. Ring a bell with what is going on in the US? Govt. run utilities was a law brought about by, I think, the socialist movement in the 20s. Now that they are mostly private...all sorts of crazy things are happening. Like the National Grid being owned by a British Company. 40 million dollars of power charged to New England customers for power never delivered. Conn AG Blumenthal sued the Federal Energy Regulatory Committee and Iso New England over it. I found this out from his website. The case went all the way to the SC. Of course, the people lost. as the SC is fascist now.New England has Cap and Trade despite the fact it was never passed in Congress.High high electricity bills.

[LawnKorn]

31. K&R

[MadHound]

39. This isn't anything new,

We've known about this for thirty plus years. If you want to read an excellent account of how the US actively helped rescue and employ Nazi war criminals, read Blowback by Christopher Simpson.

Of course the worst part of this is that not only did we rescue these scum and give many of them a home, but we actually utilized their services. The Cold War could very well have not been so militarized if it wasn't for the fact that for decades the US relied upon the reports of one Reinhardt Gehlen. Gehlen, the Nazi's head of Eastern European and Russian intelligence, turned himself over to the Americans after the war. Instead of handing this war criminal over to the Russians (as agreed to at Yalta) the US kept him and made use of him. The US had no Soviet intelligence assets, so we basically made Gehlen's organization our own, and turned him loose as our head of Soviet intelligence operations, and for years virtually the only source of Soviet intelligence for the US.

Of course, being a Nazi, Gehlen hated the Soviets. In his zeal to see the Soviets wiped from the face of this Earth, Gehlen routinely exaggerated the threat of the Soviet Union. A few dozen atomic missiles in reality became hundreds when Gehlen reported in. A 1947 Soviet pulldown of troops in Eastern Europe became a new Soviet offensive. This type of lying became common, and the US acted on this false intelligence as though it were real. This resulted in our ongoing military buildup through the fifties and sixties.

Worse, when we started doing Soviet U2 flyovers and such independent cooberation of Gehlen's findings, even though we found that Gehlen was grossly exaggerating, we continued to set policy as though his findings were actually valid. Of course by this time, the late fifties, the MIC was firmly in control of our government, and the best that Eisenhower could do to combat this madness was his warning speech as he left the Presidency.

We essentially allowed a mass murderer and war criminal to set US foreign policy, basing it on lies and exaggerations. But it was much more than that. Our government was rife with Nazis and Nazi sympathizers during the post war period. The famous containment policy, which guided our relationship with the USSR for almost a half century, was created by George Kennan, a Nazi sympathizer. Our national security agencies were headed by Nazi sympathizers such as the Dulles brothers. Our Sec of Commerce was Averell Harriman, whose companies had been seized under the Trading With the Enemy Act. We went to the moon on Nazi technology, and at least one of our presidents consulted former Nazis in his run for the WH(Bush the Elder).

This report is nothing new, in fact, if anything, it seems as though it is trying to downplay just how involved the US was involved with the Nazi regime before, during and after WWII.

[Kolesar]

43. Candidate Kennedy used that "missile gap" lie against Nixon in 1960

Knowing that President Eisenhower would not refute it publicly.

Did you write that just for this thread? Very impressive

[MadHound]

63. This is familiar territory, I wrote on the subject for my history degree,

And the influence of Nazi's and fascist thought and actions has been a long term area of study of mine. I find it fascinating that while the media and propaganda in this country readily links, sometimes correctly, communism and the American left, rarely has the link between fascism and the American right been explored. If you say that Hitler couldn't have achieved as much as he did without the ongoing support of key US corporations, Ford, IBM, and others, along with key members of the American right in general. Fascism was arguably the second most popular form of political thought in this country during the thirties, and the German American Bund the third most popular political party during that time period.

After the war, even though fascism was discredited, it found a ready, though somewhat covert home on the American Right. In fact modern teabaggers, though they won't admit it, are the direct ideological descendants of not just the John Birch society (a fascist group in all but name), but of the fascist political thought and groups popular in the thirties. Only the names have changed, from Lindbergh, Ford and Coughlin to Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck.

The US, both the government and corporations, profited greatly from the Nazi regime. IBM's biggest customer during the thirties and forties was Nazi Germany. Ford Motor company not only made money off of slave labor, but actually got to keep the technology borne from that labor after the war. And the US government, well, a lot of that profit has been buried deep and is only now starting to surface. After all, all that information gathered from the Nazi human experiments didn't go in the trash can, but rather to the US government which has utilized in areas of human health and human destruction.

In many ways the US took a large dose of the fascist poison, and it is still circulating through the body politic. Sadly, it seems as though lately it has gotten much stronger, and if it continues we could very well be the next fascist world power.

[molly77]

75. Madhound

The way that fascists overtook Germany and the US has been fascinating to me as well. I wanted to understand how Germany..home of great thinkers and geniuses could fall for the crap. Oddly enough, the most telling thing that I have ever read was a work of fiction. Land I Have Chosen by Ellin Berlin. I think she is the daughter of Irving Berlin. She describes that it is the super rich who embrace fascism as a way to hold on to their money. I always thought that it was hatred of blacks, jews and gays.So maybe it is a combination.

[Kolesar]

80. I have a theory that 1930s antiwar skepticism took advantage of German-American Anabaptist sects

..that were in Pennsylvania and Ohio: Amish, Mennonite, etc.

Pennsylvania native Edward Abbey noted a phrase from that period that the conflict in 1939 was "Churchill's War" and, thus, we should not get involved.

If those fools had not obstructed President Roosevelt, we could have aided France and England and ended that war a lot sooner. Ohio Senator Taft deserves the blame too.

I have not tried to research the coopting of the Anabaptists. Nothing like that appears at the Pennsylvania and Ohio historical sites that I visit.

[defendandprotect]

107. JFK ended the arms race -- and pretty much ended the Cold War ....

until right wing violence took us backwards again --

Meanwhile, after he took office, evidently JFK realized there was no missile gap --

[truth2power]

55. Another interesting story is that of Hans Kammler, who engineered

the death camps and implemented technology to make the gas chambers more efficient. He became the head of Hitler's 'secret weapons" program.

He dropped out of sight at war's end, and there's some evidence that he made a deal with the U.S. to turn over information on Nazi military technology. No one knows, for sure where he went, but he'e never been heard from again. More than likely he was working with US defense contractors in some protected status.

There's a long section about his activities in Nick Cook's, "The Hunt For Zero Point".

[Judi Lynn]

42. This is a tremendous report. It takes a long time for the truth to surface

when it has been buried so deeply. Hope it all will finally be dragged out while we are living. Sad when it comes out so late no one has personal knowledge of the era, which is always the intention of those keeping it buried.

Thank you.

[lunatica]

44. And people scoff at conspiracists

Which is why the criminals get away with it. The one bad thing about the internet is that yet again this stuff sinks into oblivion too quickly.

[canoeist52]

65. I don't believe it's the " people" who scoff at conspiricists.

I think there are planted posters who are used in a concerted effort to keep conspiracies from coming to light.

Ever notice the anger in the denials? Why would "people" take it so personally that a group of people question history or official news?

[fascisthunter]

124. I noticed the exact same thing

they aren't just angry, they are down right nasty, posting over-the-top replies to bait folks into replying the same.

[Cetacea]

48. ...

[RZM]

51. There's plenty more to the story here

Here is a recent analysis of US documents put together a few years ago.

http://www.amazon.com/U-S-Intelligence-Nazis-Richard-Breitman/dp/0521617944/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1289746956&sr=8-1

[Octafish]

58. Great book, but it never mentions Harriman or Bush.

The authors do a comprehensive overview, but failed to mention the closeness of Wall Street insiders -- the Establishment -- who helped finance Hitler before the war and afterwards helped incorporate NAZIs into the secret national security state hierarchy.

That is not to say the book isn't a must-read. It is full of important history that few politicians, teachers and journalists, let alone citizens, know.

One important person named in the book is the Nazi, Wilhelm Höttl, who specialized in ripping off the wealth of innocent people and bank fraud. While he wasn't welcomed into the bosom of Anti-Commie America, his ideas certainly were.

[Jefferson23]

54. Good God, more shame you can believe in. From the OP:

"The Justice Department itself sometimes concealed what American officials knew about Nazis in this country, the report found."

Sickening!

[harvey007]

59. Suggested reading

Secret Agenda: The United States Government, Nazi Scientists, and Project Paperclip, 1945 to 1990 by Linda Hunt.

The Paperclip Conspiracy: The Hunt for the Nazi Scientists by Tom Bower.

The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide by Robert Jay Lifton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation

http://www.micahbooks.com/nazisandanimalresearch32.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

[Politicub]

61. More sickening news about our country's history

I'm glad this is getting an airing in the New York Times.

Anyone who doesn't see a correlation between the scared, desperate tea partiers and the movement that gave rise to Hitler and the holocaust isn't paying attention.

But the sad thing is that the hard right has the microphone, and the mainstream media is complicit in eachoing the message.

I still don't understand why the GOP gets a media cheering section from both "objective" media and Fox news and the Democratic party continually plays the role of going against America. It's completely turned on its head.

The idea that the right mirrors overall American opinion is the ultimate big lie, and the result could be deadly.

[molly77]

77. Politicub

"I still don't understand why the GOP gets a media cheering section ....

Maybe we need to look at it from a different perspective. Amy Goodman has asked the question, "How would anything be different if we had state media?"

It makes sense from that angle. That WE aren't exactly like Hitler's Germany. Hitler promoted exercise and eating healthy food. Our govt. pushes food not fit for animals etc. The plan has been altered for the US. But if we were trying to figure out how fascism would have a 1,000 year reign, wouldn't we do some things a little differently than Hitler's Germany?

After all, WE are expendable.There is cheaper labor in other parts of the world now. So our representatives , democratic and republican passed NAFTA. Tax breaks for sending our jobs overseas.

[Politicub]

90. True - No country, nation or movement will be an exact carbon copy of what came before

There are lessons to lesson to learn from history repeating itself, but it rarely repeats itself exactly as it happened before.

Your point about how we are expendable got me to thinking about how Hitler promoted the idea of an Aryan race. Perhaps the American version would be a Christo-facsim a la The Handmaid's Tale. Washington's 70 year-old Christian group "The Family" isn't a fiction, and counts people in high places among its adherents.

But to your point, there wouldn't even need to be something like that. The wealthy have concentrated power to the degree of where they only need any human blood, sweat and tears to keep it all propped up. In our global economy, it doesn't matter where the labor comes from as long as it feeds the beast and results in the accumulation of more power. And the powerful will never be satisfied, because the nature of power is that you never have enough.

It's obscene the the average annual salary for the people at the top on Wall Street is $2bn dollars a year. That's two thousand million. The money is made off the backs of people who are kept on a short leash using fear and engineered division. We're so busy fighting amongst ourselves that we don't notice what's nakedly going on in front of us.

[formercia]

92. It is a 'State Media.'

The media is controlled by the 'Shadow Government' who are the real unelected 'Deciders.'

[fascisthunter]

125. Corporate Media: "How would anything be different if we had state media"

ain't that the truth

[Honeycombe8]

66. What a sad chapter in our history. How shameful. nt

[Odin2005]

84. Why am I not suprised?

[Aaria]

86. Google: Conversations with the Crow Gives a history of the spooks and their

hire German henchmen.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

93. K & R and bookmarked. What an awesome resource the OP and replies provide.

The best that DU has to offer. Thank you all for your links and knowledge.

[TheUnspeakable]

96. k&r

[Recursion]

98. "He changed his name from Merkwürdigliebe"

[leftstreet]

100. K&R

[Octafish]

110. CIA lied to Truman regarding its assistance to NAZI war criminals...

"I never would have agreed
to the formulation of the
Central Intelligence Agency
back in forty-seven, if I had
known it would become
the American Gestapo."

-- Harry S Truman

It's odd how the same org that influences mass media and conducts psychological and other operations inside the United States and on the American people, also is tight with Big Oil and Wall Street? It's easy to see who's benefitted most over the last 50 years.

And these same people increased their power (and cronies' wealth) during Ike's administration.

[Nihil]

112. Too late to rec but can at least kick this for visibility. (n/t)

:-(

[Old and In the Way]

116. These type of threads belong in a resource section for future readers to peruse/download.

Before the sun sets on a free and open internet.

[goforit]

118. Print and save :)

[fascisthunter]

126. I about Some of This, But Man, this Thread is an Eye-Opener

lots of info here