Record number of Chinese students flock to US colleges

[harvey007]

Source: CS Monitor

The recession is affecting some American and foreign students’ plans to study abroad – but not, apparently, those of the Chinese.

Last year, nearly 130,000 Chinese students studied in the US – a record number, and a 30 percent increase from the year before.

Read more: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Education/2010/1115/Record-number-of-Chinese-students-flock-to-US-colleges

[sally cat]

1. Do they get in state tuition like undocumented immigrants in California?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. td

:thumbsdown:

You're gonna begrudge an education?

[Kurska]

9. My friend is a Afro-Latin and has to pay 4 times as much for college

in Seattle because he had the audacity to be born in California. Meanwhile a non-citizen can get instate tutition after not even being born in this country?

Generally I think the very idea of "In state vs. out of state tuition" is incredibly dated and at odds with the reality of modern America, that said I have no idea how exactly a non-citizen gets better treatment in California then a Californian who lives in Seattle.

I think my friend's case illustrates that at least to me this is not a race issue, I could hardly care less about race.

[KamaAina]

11. How long has he lived in WA?

All states I've heard of set a minimum period of residency. None I know of restricts in-state eligibility to those actually born there!

[Kurska]

27. Oh he is close, infact he should be there, but the crap economy meant he went nearly 3 months

without a job, he lives with a friend instead of leasing so the Job was really the only way he could prove he was a resident of Washington. If he had access to instate tuition from the first place he could have been a year along to contributing to society a hell of alot more, the crazed out of state tuition was too much for him even with me offering to pay a portion of his tuition.

All instate tuition ensure is that people who work regular jobs can't afford college for a year when they cross state lines.

[sledgehammer]

13. See my response to your earlier post. Also...

...I think out-of-staters can work for a year and register part-time for school and claim residency of any state. Then they can go full-time as in-staters.

Plus, there are many in-state schools in California that he could go to. In the end, he should go where he wants. But it's the state taxes that support these universities, so it's natural that they give in-state only to residents of that state.

[Freetradesucks]

17. I think that the in-state vs. out of state tuition

has to do with in-state families paying taxes that go towards supporting the colleges.

[DBoon]

4. only if they meet the same criteria of residency

that's residency, not the same as citizenship

[sally cat]

15. Got it, thanks.

[sledgehammer]

12. No, they don't.

If you enter on an F-1 student visa (i.e. an international student), then you pay the full fees of an out-of-stater.

[sally cat]

16. Thanks for the info.

[golfguru]

31. Yes, as a foreign student I received in state tuition rates

but that was long time ago!

[CanonRay]

3. But our kids can't afford to go

this is just not right.

[lunasun]

29. foreign students have been coming here for college for a long long time

and Americans (like Bill Clinton) have been going to college in other countries for a long long time both happening while many could not afford or access through scholarship a college education.
So where is the reasoning that because your kids cant go it is not right? Is it OK if they are from UK, Denmark or India?
Is it different because it is Chinese? Have you bought anything made/from China that has added to the country's new wealth? Maybe that was not right.

[DBoon]

5. How many are financed by the PRC government?

Either overtly or through indirect subsidies?

I would bet the PRC has made a strategic decision to get as many of their young adults educated in science, technology and business and is allocating funds to do so.

They are planning as a nation to achieve economic supremacy

We have become too self centered to care.

We make students finance themselves with debt that takes decades to pay off and cannot be relieved through bankruptcy, then we wonder why the rest of the world is leaving us in the dust

[sally cat]

7. Does the country of origin have anything to with access to our universities?

[Duppers]

10. All of them.

nt

[Suji to Seoul]

23. None. China does not have that system. I live here

There are no subsidies to come here. Their parents pay it all.

[lunasun]

30. and they are often able to work at the university to help pay

the high out of state rate too

[Bill McBlueState]

44. international students are pretty limited in the work they can do

They're limited to 20 hours a week in on-campus jobs. That situation's not going to get you very far with your tuition bill.

[DBoon]

34. You mean they don't work to support themselves?

I would have thought they worked full-time jobs to go through college, showing their dedication and self reliance

[Suji to Seoul]

40. I assist students here trying to gain student visas to go to college in the States

Visa law prohibits them from holding a job.

But, you're right. . .look how well we treat foreign students and how much we crap on our own. Sickening to be sure.

[lunasun]

33. Try their families save money and work hard and avoid debt

They actually DO finance themselves withOUT a loan
and I would guess most wouldn't be upset like you are that their debt "cannot be relieved through bankruptcy" because they wouldn't have that concept like in U.S. uuugh

[DBoon]

37. Their "families"???? They don't pay for their own college?

You mean they don't just work hard and pay their own way?

[Blue_Tires]

49. i knew some Saudi students like that years ago

Their government paid for everything to get educated in the sciences here then go back there to work...

[diane in sf]

6. About 10-20% of my students are Chinese. It's helping keep our private university afloat

during these hard times. Their English is not great so it causes me to have to repeat information or yell to get their attention--they tend to tune out like that Farside cartoon of the person talking to Ginger the dog and all the dog is hearing is "blah, blah, blah Ginger, blah blah blah..." It also takes more time to grade their homework because native speakers of Mandarin and related languages aren't great at verb tenses and articles. But even given the drawbacks I'm happy to have them in class, they generally have a good attitude toward learning and are happy to be here.

[glinda]

8. Houses are pretty affordable now too! Plenty empty.

[Leftist Agitator]

14. 10% of my MBA class are Chinese students.

No other nation is represented by more than one, aside from the US, of course.

[Habibi]

18. Another aspect to this is

there are just not *enough* colleges in China right now, hence part of the reason for the student outsourcing.

[jberryhill]

19. Flock?

Is that the appropriate plural for Chinese?

I never remember those things like:

A gaggle of geese.

A murder of crows.

A mustering of something or other...

[DavidDvorkin]

20. It's the verb

It's not being use as the plural of Chinese.

[jberryhill]

21. Okay, smarty pants, so what IS the plural of Chinese?

Hmmm?

[DavidDvorkin]

22. Chinese.

[jberryhill]

24. Damn... no wonder there are so many of them

There's not even a singular form!

[DavidDvorkin]

26. Hah!

[Suji to Seoul]

35. In Chinese there are few plural words. you must add a number.

Pronouns have plural

我 is singular. 我们 is plural

一个狗 is singular. One dog. plural would be 两个狗. Two dog.

[ldf]

25. if they are graduate students

and many graduate science programs' students are 50 to 60%, if not more, internationals, and a large portion of those are chinese, it doesn't cost them one penny.

their tuition is paid, and they get about 32,000 a year stipend, for living expenses. a free doctoral degree, with a very adequate expense allowance.

apparently there aren't enough american students to fill that void...

[Bill McBlueState]

45. that's an odd take on graduate assistantships

I have a PhD in a natural science, so here's how things worked in my department between 2001 and 2008:

*Tuition was waived, but you still got stuck with $200-1000 a semester in fees.
*Assistantships paid around $20,000 annually, not $32,000. This was higher than the campus average.
*You didn't just "get" that money; you worked a research or teaching job for it.
*We were 20- or 30-somethings with all the expenses of actual adults, so $20,000 was at best adequate to live in an area with high cost of living, certainly nothing more.
*Nearly all of us, domestic or international, could have done better financially in the private sector, but departments need graduate students, so they compensated us as well as they could.

None of this sounds like "a free doctoral degree, with a very adequate expense allowance."

And, no, there weren't enough American students to fill the void. The department badly wanted English-speakers, who are more effective as TA's, but for whatever reason, qualified Americans weren't applying in sufficient numbers. I think that's turned around a bit since I graduated.

[sledgehammer]

48. Nice response. n/t

[Posteritatis]

52. You do know graduate students *earn* their funding and degree, right?

And that that funding goes away if the student doesn't continue to do so?

And that it's generally much less than what you're talking about?

[mbperrin]

28. This can't be true- everyone knows that the US education system is

broken, incapable of teaching anyone anything, all foreign countries are doing a better job, including Haiti.

That's the blah blah blah I hear all the time as a teacher.

So obviously those danged Chinese would NOT be coming here to get educated. QED.












And for those with an inferior education, yes, this is sarcasm.

[golfguru]

32. Only the K through 12 is broken

Colleges are run much better, especially the private colleges.

[Hardrada]

36. Easy for you to say, corpocrat!

[golfguru]

39. Results prove it

All kinds of foreign students are attracted to American colleges.
Literally half of student population in graduate level.
Almost no foreign students sent here for high school education.

[mbperrin]

42. By that reasoning, scads of US students should be sent overseas for

high school. But they're not. Hmmm.

[golfguru]

53. I personally know 2 kids who were sent to

Spain & France just last year as exchange students and came back with very positive impressions of their high schools.

But that is just anecdotal statement. The academic achievements of students from
various countries is a better indicator. US is near bottom compared to all other
industrialized countries.

[mbperrin]

43. Weird, since the k-12 system provides the instructors, administrators

and everything else for the colleges.

So a bunch of people who are broken in k-12 are producing a great system for colleges?

Hmmm.


Like to see the criteria for private school vs public school success, please.

[Demstud]

47. I'm not sure what you're getting at

Universities are run very very differently than k-12 education, and most of MY teachers have been foreigners so far. I don't see the relation between our high quality (though expensive) university system and the k-12 public school system. Got some data on how they relate? Or are we supposed to just assume that's how things are? Remember, the general perception is that K-12 schools are crap here in the U.S. Right or wrong, the burdun of proof is on your side if you think otherwise.

[mbperrin]

51. I have three degrees, and the only instructor I had not from the US was

from Argentina.

That's two schools in the UTexas system and at Texas A&M.

My instructors are graduates of the public school system, hence, the relationship between public schools and all universities.

I've been teaching 3 decades in the public schools, so you'll forgive me if I don't share the "general" perception that these schools are crap. I'm a public school grad myself, child of 2 8th grade dropouts, and I attended A&M on a General Motors National Merit Scholarship, since I was a National Merit Finalist, with no enriched background from my family.

Now you need to get some data to show any evidence that the public schools are crap, please. Since this country still has the most patents each year and the highest GDP in the world, plus the highest per capita GDP in the world, I'd submit that's some evidence to the contrary.

Now if you mean that private corporations and their lick-spittle politicians are selling that meme so that they can grab up all the education money, well, yes, that's been going for some time. But most folks can see past the self-interest of the artificial persons who grasp a dollar so tightly that a Dickensian miser would be impressed, and they are able to see real results daily in their community.

[DBoon]

38. colleges (esp private ones) are money making enterprises

so in the minds of the private sector geniuses, are efficient and effective, whereas public schools , being evil government entitlements, are terrible

When K-12 schools can sell enrollments on the open market for whatever the market can bear, you will then hear how they have magically become centers of excellence

[saigon68]

41. So True

[Dulcinea]

50. Apples & oranges.

Prospective students have to be accepted to college. K-12 public schools must take all students, regardless of income or ability.

I'm not an educator, merely a PTA mom, but from what I've seen, it's societal problems like poverty and kids with bad home lives, emotional problems, & behavioral problems that give public schools & teachers an undeserved bad rap. Most teachers do the best they can with what they have to work with, & sometimes they don't have much.

[Steerpike]

46. Good for them!

If I could afford to go to an American college, I's go too!