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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 04:11 PM
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TSA chief: Screening may evolve
Source: Politico

Heeding a sudden furor, John Pistole, administrator of the Transportation Security Administration, said in a Sunday afternoon statement to POLITICO that airport screening procedures “will be adapted as conditions warrant,” in an effort to make them “as minimally invasive as possible, while still providing the security that the American people want and deserve."

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Pistole’s statement to POLITICO modified his vow a few hours earlier on CNN’s “State of the Union” that the procedures were "not going to change." Both President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said over the weekend that the administration was continually looking for ways to refine the screening to make it less intrusive and frustrating.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/45460.html#ixzz15xAjsejM

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/45460.html#ixzz15xAAsYC8

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/45460.html



Here we go, there was hell to pay over this, their servers and phones must be exploding.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 04:13 PM
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1. TSA is 50 years behind Israel
it's going to take a lot of evolving.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 04:58 PM
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11. I'm guessing they're going to de-evolve and we're going to go back
to racial profiling.
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 05:57 PM
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16. Honestly, what's wrong with scientific profiling?
Based on any aspect, be it race, age, nationality, language, religion, profession, disability, etc.

All human emotion removed: If certain factors place certain features higher than others, you screen for people with those features.

Anything else is just dumb, a gross misallocation of resources that give a higher chance of a bad guy getting through.

To flip it on its head for a stereotype:

An executive criminal ripped off a corporation for billions in a stock scam. I have limited investigative resources, and I am presented with two people, which one of the following do I decide to investigate more?

A: The rich 50-something white guy Ivy League graduate in a suit

B: The poor 20-something black female high school dropout with cornrows

Is it racial profiling to go after A?

Should I put equal investigatory resources towards B to make sure I'm not being racist?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 06:05 PM
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20. Because you ignore all the signs that will lead you to picking up crew cut
white men out of the line.

It's all on the radio waves and on t.v. The conservatives would not mind another disaster before the next election.

So you include white men with crew cuts along with all us dark-skinned Mediterranean looking types (which in this country includes latinos) and I will support your scientific profiling.
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 07:11 PM
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31. You're going on emotion
That's the point of valuable scientific profiling.

You let neither politically correct considerations nor prejudices affect it.

Scientific, not based on a hunch or political considerations or hurting someone's feelings.
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sally cat Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 08:18 PM
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23. Thank you for a rare rational view of the situation.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 08:33 PM
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26. Except profiling is not done scientifically
It's done by people, people who for the most part are not "trained professionals," people who like all other people carry their biases to work with them, people who, for a large part, enjoy the fact that they have authority over others, even if just by a smidge.

Further, profiling makes the assumption that because you look similar to known criminals, that you are therefor more likely to be a criminal, yourself.

In your example, would you stop every white guy over 20?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 04:14 PM
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2. What Pistole was thinking:
{pure speculation, of course}

"We're going to modify the crap out of this thing. We'll start by only scanning those who sent nasty emails to the TSA. Obviously, they have something to hide, so we're going to start profiling that group. All others can skip the scanner and pat-downs."

Yeah, that's what he's talking about...:shrug:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 04:25 PM
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8. "And we're going to start with MineralMan...
He's trying to get inside my head! Put him down for the special pat-down plus the deluxe cavity search..." :evilgrin:

:hi:
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 08:17 PM
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22. LOL!
Bring it, Pistole! :rofl:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 04:14 PM
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3. And you can be assure that the "sensationalisim" that some
Edited on Sun Nov-21-10 04:14 PM by hlthe2b
DUers are maintaining describes media coverage of the egregious incidents, is behind any plans to modify.

We don't get change from blind compliance and whispering disagreement.
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 04:20 PM
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6. And now lets do the same and get the START treaty passed !
That's about the worlds future.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 04:16 PM
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4. Fire Pistole and Napolitano
Fire them both. Obama needs to fire a lot of his advisors: Gates, Geithner come to mind.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 04:56 PM
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10. Yes, yes, yes and yes.
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 05:37 PM
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13. Hear, hear. n/t
-Laelth
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 05:58 PM
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17. Git em...
All!
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sally cat Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 08:20 PM
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24. What were her qualification for DHS? I get his, but what was her background?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 04:18 PM
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5. Evolve?
Are cavity searches coming next?
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 04:22 PM
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7. Yes, very likely
And a number of DU posters are salivating over the possibility.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 09:38 PM
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28. Or increased power on the x-ray machines
Health consequences be damned.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 04:56 PM
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9. Yes, evolve it back to pre 9/11, and put some real training. No nude-o-scopes
in emphasis of profiling - Israeli style.

I'm serious. They should know what they are looking for.

And using the intelligence that they have. Daily. Hourly.

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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 05:52 PM
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14. Hawkeye-X you have nailed it!
This knee jerk response to everything is tiresome. The Israelies conquered the mystery of Airport security years ago.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 05:17 PM
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12. Evolve?
Well since Water Boarding isn't torture maybe thats next. I mean what else can they do to us besides using a Taser, and beat us with batons? Come on damn it!! We got domestic terrorists to root out! :sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 05:56 PM
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15. Fire this guy.
...he needs to go.

This invasive, "you are guilty" method makes us no safer. Period.

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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 06:00 PM
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19. His appointment was a mistake
a hardcore career cop with rigid corporate thinking.
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pangaia Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 05:59 PM
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18. The guys's name is PISTOLE??
HA HA!! That's a hoot and a half!!! :>)))
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 07:38 PM
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21. I choose liberty over security, thank you, sir.
You can take your "security" and shove it up your a**.
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rexcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 09:08 PM
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27. Cavity searches are next. Bend over and smile! nt
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 10:57 PM
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29. They're driving the terrorists to build and insert cavity bombs even faster.
It's only a matter of time.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 11:36 AM
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30. Fundies don't "believe in evolution" so I guess they have to take the train.
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