South Korea Marines vow "thousand-fold" revenge

[Adsos Letter]

Source: Reuters

South Korea's Marine commander on Saturday vowed "thousand -fold" revenge for a North Korean attack that killed two servicemen as protesters demanded tougher action by the government against its reclusive neighbor.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101127/ts_nm/us_korea_north1

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This is not helpful, given the rising tension.

[maddezmom]

1. South Korean military members protest amid growing tensions with North

Seoul, South Korea (CNN) -- Members of the South Korean military protested on the streets of the nation's capital Saturday, stating they were angry that their country's government had not done enough to respond to recent shelling by North Korea.

One group of protesters gathered near the defense ministry building Saturday. The crowd clashed with police officers, some charging and kicking officers.

The protests come as tensions between the Koreas are growing. On Tuesday, North Korea shelled South Korea's Yeonpyeong Island, killing four South Koreans and wounding 15 others.

North Korea said the South provoked the attack because shells from a South Korean military drill landed in the North's waters. South Korea was holding its annual Hoguk military drill when the North started its shelling.

more: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/27/koreas.crisis/?hpt=T1

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[backwoodsbob]

8. wow...just wow

you are calling for children to get killed.

Wow.

[Billy Burnett]

13. There are posters cheering on the cholera pandemic in Haiti in the Latin America forum.

The #s of DU's death lovin' disruptors has increased exponentially. :puke:

[Posteritatis]

14. Gotta love how simplistic peoples' views of these sorts of things can get

There's a heavy tone of "South Korea and the US don't like North Korea, which means North Korea's good and right and never lies!" from an admittedly-small group of people every time that border flares up.

Of course, cheering a cholera epidemic is out there even by the standards; I'm torn between being curious as to how someone would try to justify that and desperately not wanting to know.

[backwoodsbob]

17. dont know if you saw post b4 delete

he was cheerleading SK children dying.Most disgusting post I have ever seen.

Hope he got banned

[Possumpoint]

4. Here We Go Again

North Korea decides that it isn't getting what it wants so, like a bad child it acts up and demands to be placated. It has more then enough military capabilities to back up its bad behavior. That makes any response problematic. It is theorized that they are really upset that their food aid has been suspended for 6 months. Until the Chinese take such steps to stand on N Korea's neck and tell them to be good, not much can be done. It's like watching a bad child being protected by a misguided parent.

Any retaliatory actions by South Korea and/or the USA would result in a rapid escalation of military actions. At present, the 6 million North Korea military contingent greatly out numbers the combined South Korea and USA contingent. If however, the North Koreans attack a US warship like they did with a South Korea one, all bets are off.

[pampango]

3. North Korea accuses South of using 'human shields'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11853905

North Korea has accused Seoul of using human shields on the island where firing from the North killed two South Korean civilians this week.

The North's state media said the South was using the deaths for propaganda. KCNA said Seoul was using the civilian casualties for propaganda, in its words "creating the impression that the defenceless civilians were exposed to indiscriminate shelling from the North".

Pyongyang said it had been provoked by the South's military exercises, which were being carried out close to Yeonpyeong. It said the North had sent a "telephone notice" on the morning of the shelling "to prevent the clash at the last moment" but the South continued its "provocation".

South Korea says two men in their 60s, who were working on the island, were killed by the shells.

[CJvR]

7. Human shields?

Considering that the entire population in the North are effectively hostages to secure the luxury life of Little Kim and Fat Kim that claim is yet another laugh provided by the world's longest running tragedy.

[Posteritatis]

12. To say nothing of the entire South Korean population within thirty miles or so of the border. (nt)

[lib2DaBone]

5. Didn't we fight this war once already?

[CJvR]

6. It is...

...the penalty for not getting the job done properly the first time.

[Billy Burnett]

15. Kill a commie fer christ. The only good commie is a ...

Think how many KIA cars a Unified Korea could be shipping here.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

42. OK, I'm all ears. What was done wrong and what should have been done? -nt

[CLANG]

9. Same war. It never actually ended.

[daleo]

19. And we got a great movie out of it

A damn fine TV series too - MASH. As I recall, Hawkeye said the show (war) always goes on.

[JVS]

10. The S Korean Military has repeatedly massacred Koreans in the past and seems proud of that tradition

So I'm sure finding the thousand fold civilians to slaughter will be no problem for them.

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[rustyd55]

16. mistake

going to war with a country that has nothing to lose with china on one side and u s on other could cause ww 3

[Little Star]

18. After watching The Shock Doctrine the other day......

What could be better to get rid of our debt to China?

I don't know, just musing.

[boston bean]

20. South Korea vows 'thousand-fold revenge'

Source: ABC News

Lieutenant General Yoo Nak Joon has vowed "a thousand-fold revenge" on North Korea, adding: "We will put our feelings of rage and animosity in our bones.".......
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The massive naval war games have angered Pyongyang and its ally Beijing, but Washington has stressed that the Yellow Sea manoeuvre is "defensive in nature", was planned before North Korea's attack, and is not aimed against China.

The United States also says that its display of naval firepower will act as a "deterrent" to the volatile regime of Kim Jong-Il, which has kept the region on edge for years with its nuclear and long-range missile tests.

But North Korea's official KCNA news agency issued an ominous warning: "If the US brings its carrier to the West Sea of Korea (Yellow Sea) at last, no one can predict the ensuing consequences".




Read more: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/28/3078496.htm?section=world

[Alhena]

21. Empty bluff ...

South Korea's capital is in range of enough artillery to totally destroy it in pretty short order. North Korea doesn't have much of anything to destroy. Yes, we could bomb their nuke plants, but it's not like being without those is going to devastrate North Korea like having their capital flattened would.

[Pavulon]

23. lots of bodies to make there and they have dams

power generation, rail, etc. all would be gone.

[Billy Burnett]

27. Then Halliburton/KBR could get rebuild contracts.

GE would get water and power. xe would get security. General Dynamics/Boeing would get the air force & transportation. Of course, FEDEX and Brown™.

[Pavulon]

30. DHL baby, Brown will not fly there

ge would get reactors, and GD is so fucking paid they have no interest with koreans.

[David__77]

22. Saber rattling on both sides.

The right wing in S. Korea seems intent on pursuing a conflict.

[boston bean]

25. This shed some light on the recent history for me, bush fucked up.

Keeping Perspective on North Korea
By Matthew Rothschild, November 27, 2010

When the current Korean crisis emerged, I immediately contacted the wisest person I know on the subject. His name is Gene Matthews, and he spent decades in South Korea as a missionary who was active in the pro-democracy movement there.

He’s a contributor to a great new book called “More Than Witnesses: How a Small Group of Missionaries Aided Korea’s Democratic Revolution.”

Here’s what he has to say about the current standoff.

“North Korea has always felt threatened by joint military exercises of the U.S. and South Korea, and has always protested against them,” he says. “This time, North Korea stated that the exercises were taking place in North Korean territory and that if shots were fired during the exercise they would retaliate. Shots were fired (not at the North, it should be pointed out but out toward the ocean) and the North retaliated.”


http://www.progressive.org/wx112710.html

[ProgressiveMajority]

37. That article is pure fantasy. It ignores the 2007 framework AND the Uranium Enrichment Program

A few weeks ago N.Korea came out and admitted they are enriching Uranium for their peaceful nuclear deterrent (weapon). (The announcement is part of the hoopla surrounding Kim Jong Un's power takeover).

I really wish North Korea were as predictable as Carter thinks they are, but over the last few days I've read up on recent developments and to put it bluntly both Bush, Carter and Clinton got duped. Bush got duped when he agreed to the 2007 framework, which North Korea did not honor. Carter and Clinton got duped into agreeing to provide North Korea with Uranium and a light water reactor, when it now seems even as far back as the late 90s N.Korea was developing Uranium Enrichment.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/21/north-koreas-uranium-plant

Look, until that announcement, I was really hoping that North Korea could be trusted and dealt with as partners in peace. But reading over all the details of what has been revealed (and happened) in the last few days, I've got to say that my hopes have been false.

I THINK, the best way to deal with North Korea at this point is to accept they will develop powerful nuclear weapons, and to get the south to stop provoking them. Pull out of the disputed territories along the border and hope the North doesn't pull forward, that's the way to achieve peace.

[thunder rising]

33. Shelling civilians is not saber rattling. That's an act of war. SK is doing the only thing it can.

Squawk.

Now NK has nothing to lose attacking the carrier. We can't invade because of the nuke threat. If NK nukes us on their turf ... no retaliatory strike is justified.

NK holds all the cards here.

[Drale]

24. No matter how you feel

you have to admit the united state military does one thing really well and thats destroy governments quickly. That is what I see happening if the Korean War restarts, I say a week and there is no more North and South Korea only Korea under the government of the south. Is it right I don't know but I doubt China would have North Korea's back this time and thats the reason they where able to fight to a stalemate last time.

[David__77]

28. I don't think so.

I think that is not a likely result of such a war. What would be guaranteed is extremely high casualties. No more Pyongyang or Seoul. Perhaps a UN protectorate, but no sovereign state at all. And guerrillas on both sides fighting ongoing insurgencies. "Juche" would not collapse like even German fascism did.

[WestSeattle2]

29. I agree. China has too much to lose by sticking by NK in this

day and age. NK has absolutely nothing to offer the world - including China. One healthy Korea on the other hand would be hugely beneficial to that region. Of course it will take a generation plus to repair the basket case that is NK, but the Chinese are marathoners, not sprinters. They'll wait it out and reap the benefits. No one wants a basket case for a neighbor.

[thunder rising]

34. Makes sense unless China is ready to kick our ass around by proxy. NK could take a shot at that

carries and there is nothing we are going to do.

[tuckessee]

39. China has its own interests.

They don't want to be saturated by radioactive fallout because the US got in war it couldn't otherwise handle and they will not tolerate any foreign power advancing armies into the Yalu River region.

China wouldn't enter a US-North Korea war to save a "friend". Their only concern is their own sovereignty & safety.

[rug]

26. The rhetoric coming out of both Koreas makes The Transformers look like Shakespeare.

I am Optimus Prime . . . .

"One shall stand, one shall fall."

"Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost."

"Till all are one."

"You who are without mercy now plead for it? I thought you were made of sterner stuff."

"Dinobots, destroy Devastator!"

[TK421]

35. Come to think of it, don't you think Kim and Starscream look alike?

Starscream-Jong-Il

[Alamuti Lotus]

31. the joyful bloodlust of this commander is troubling

much moreso than the somewhat erratic nature of DPRK at the moment, which, paradoxically, is at least predictable. Further, the provocative moves of Team Hope are like gasoline on the fire of bloodlust coming out of ROK.

[boston bean]

32. In March NK sunk that Korean boat after threats over these same maneuvers

that the US and South Korea moved to waters off of southern japan because the Chinese didn't want them taking place in the Yellow Sea.

The NK warned the South Koreans not to hold drills on that Island the day they bombed it.

Now we are at threat #3 today, will they act?

We'll see how predictable they are soon enough I guess.

[Imajika]

36. Silly bluster on both sides...

No one wants a war. Not NK, not SK, not China and not the US.

North Korea pulls this stuff to get attention. Most South Koreans do not want things escalated, they understand the price of living on the peninsula is putting up with some North Korean chest thumping now and again - usually in an effort to get additional food and fuel aid.

North Korea is a complete and utter basket case - a perfect model of communist failure. The South will need to respond to periodic NK provocations, but not overreact. North Korea exists today only because China continues paying to keep it from completely collapsing.

The best thing we can do is, for the most part, ignore North Korea. No food aid, no fuel aid, no nothing. Measured responses to aggression, enough to let the North know that South Korea can fight back, but not enough to escalate towards any real conflict.

"But North Korea's official KCNA news agency issued an ominous warning: 'If the US brings its carrier to the West Sea of Korea (Yellow Sea) at last, no one can predict the ensuing consequences'."

Yes, we can predict it. North Korea won't do anything to attack a US carrier.

North Korea can not win a war with the South, and should it start one it would be completely destroyed. The North can kill a lot of people, but they do not have the means to actually win a conflict with the South.

North Korea will fall when China finally decides the cost of propping it up is no longer worth it.

[Incitatus]

38. I wonder how many nuclear submarines are roaming around there that they are not telling us about.

[HEyHEY]

40. South Korea isn't fucking around this time

It's worrisome. Not that they should be. I don't want a war either, but how many times can they just sit their while their crackpot neighbour takes potshots at them?

[classysassy]

41. "Knowing when to leave,make staying work"

In other words we have out stayed our usefulness.After sixty plus years,South Korea should be able to defend themselves,we continue to pour money and men into that country when we have needs of our own that's being neglected.