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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 02:28 PM Original message |
Hate crimes against Muslims on rise in UK suburbs: Study |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yet the most popular name in G. Britain now is Mohammed |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. The sheer frothing panic over that depresses me. (nt) |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
59. The two things are not unrelated. |
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Stella_Artois (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 04:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
83. ***double post*** |
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Stella_Artois (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 04:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
84. That is not true |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:23 AM Response to Reply #84 |
90. Thanks a lot for the list and backup links |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #84 |
120. delete |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #84 |
122. It is true per Office Nat. Statistics if all spellings taken together. |
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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 08:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
103. :) I received the same power point... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #103 |
121. I received no powerpoint. It has appeared in numerous newspapers |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. I wish just once it would read: hate crimes against millionaires rising. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Oh, you "silly boy," she says with a haughty disdain.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. What? |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Maybe you'd like to take that thought to the people interviewed about it in this video |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
8. These findings aren't surprising |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 12:39 AM Response to Reply #8 |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:41 AM Response to Reply #10 |
25. "Ever since" the grant (which wasn't awarded until 2005)... |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 12:58 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. You're most welcome |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:50 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Yes it is, that's how research is done. Have you read the study? No, because it's not available |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 12:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Yeah, right, this 10 year study by a well respected British University is "just a bunch of crap". |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 12:55 AM Response to Reply #11 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 12:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:21 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Not including what happened in 2005, what attacks are you talking about? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:34 AM Response to Reply #17 |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:37 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Yes, you obviously are if you are taking the side of far right thugs. Read the rules. n/t |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:40 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Nah, yr on the wrong site if you defend the racists of the EDL... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:32 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Let me get this straight. You don't think the EDL is a bigoted organisation??? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:35 AM Response to Reply #19 |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. What does it matter what religion it is? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:45 AM Response to Reply #23 |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:47 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. EDL & BNP are twins. Do you know who the BNP are? Do you support them as well? n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:56 AM Response to Reply #29 |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:58 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. You don't know anything about the EDL then |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:02 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. They're not wonderful and caring people. They're idiots... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:49 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I doubt any neanderthal brownshirt who belongs to that group sees themselves as a bigot... |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:57 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. It's OK to discuss real issues and tensions here... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:10 AM Response to Reply #36 |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:12 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Yes you have been demonizing Muslims. In all the deleted replies. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:49 AM Response to Reply #45 |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:55 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Here's why Turbo and the mods aren't wrong... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 05:02 AM Response to Reply #56 |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 04:26 AM Response to Reply #21 |
82. Nonsense |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:42 AM Response to Reply #13 |
27. It's the same sort of 'crap' study as the ones done about antisemitism... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:48 AM Response to Reply #27 |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:51 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Yes, it was, because all the replies in this thread that have been deleted are from you, n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:01 AM Response to Reply #33 |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:04 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Because you constantly break the rules with broad brush bigoted statements. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:51 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Then you' d be labelling studies on antisemitism crap as well... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:02 AM Response to Reply #34 |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:07 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. It is based partly on 1st hand testimonies from victims. You don't know what's in the rest of it |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:20 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Why do you treat attacks on Muslims differently than attacks on other groups? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:33 AM Response to Reply #47 |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:46 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. The reports on antisemitism in Europe contain first-hand accounts that aren't reported to police... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:21 AM Response to Reply #52 |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:22 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. It's the same as studies on other minority groups... |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:27 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. You're demanding police reports of unreported crimes???? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:40 AM Response to Reply #48 |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:42 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Self delete |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:05 AM Response to Reply #51 |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:16 AM Response to Reply #57 |
88. Actually, it's not about "proof". |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:48 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I see. So victims of rape who don't report the crime are making it up? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:07 AM Response to Reply #53 |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:21 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. No, that's not what I said or argued... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:24 AM Response to Reply #62 |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:30 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I think you mean to type 'and how Do you know?' |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:54 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Nice. You now ask for 'more'--after already branding it as 'lies.' |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:09 AM Response to Reply #55 |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:24 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Because people can sometimes be more traumatised reporting things.. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:28 AM Response to Reply #65 |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:32 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Please answer the question I've been asking you about women who don't report rapes... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:37 AM Response to Reply #70 |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:42 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. I want you to answer the question you've been evading about women reporting rapes... |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:29 AM Response to Reply #60 |
68. You deny that crimes often go unreported... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:17 AM Response to Original message |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:36 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. I'm just sitting here watching you flame-out.. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:39 AM Response to Reply #72 |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:43 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. I'm waiting for you to answer the question I asked about women who don't report rapes... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:49 AM Response to Reply #77 |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:37 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Perhaps because the OP is about a study in ENGLAND |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:45 AM Response to Reply #74 |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 03:55 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. When in doubt, obfuscate, lol |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 04:12 AM Response to Reply #80 |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 05:54 AM Response to Reply #81 |
87. And just where, exactly, did you find the text of the study on the web? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:46 AM Response to Reply #87 |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:58 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. In some of the deleted messages you were saying this study is bullshit and full of lies |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:33 AM Response to Reply #94 |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:50 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Yes you did, repeatedly. And now you're citing from a right wing blog to define Islamophobia? |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 08:01 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. WOW! Good catch, Turborama! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #98 |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 08:55 AM Response to Reply #105 |
112. More defense of Sarah Palin by Berlinski & and her book praising Margaret Thatcher |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #96 |
110. No, in an as-yet-undeleted post (#38) you say it's lies |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:31 AM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Challenging your labeling of people as liars... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:41 AM Response to Reply #95 |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 07:55 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. ROFL! See Turborama's post above re: prejudice |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 08:05 AM Response to Reply #99 |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #102 |
106. Repeating 'strawman' over and over does not make it so |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
86. An organization that campaigns against this sort of vile activity... |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:24 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Thanks for your information and perspective, LeftishBrit |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:22 AM Response to Original message |
89. I am glad that the bigotry against Muslims is finally being addressed |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #89 |
124. They are said about other groups too, in fact |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:56 AM Response to Original message |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #93 |
108. To be clear: the British police say the *reported* hate crime figures are unrelaible |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 08:14 AM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Yes--it's all part of their secret plot to impose Sharia law on us! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #104 |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 08:45 AM Response to Reply #109 |
111. A 'Muslim backlash' was known about in 2005 |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. I don't think it can be denied that anti-Muslim sentiment |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
114. A respectful observation on the censorship of this discussion |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. I think every single deleted post was by a now-tombstoned troll (or in reply to them) |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Why must I be protected from what you think is offensive speech? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Not 'them'. 'Him'. One person who had been banned from DU before. |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
117. neither side is worth a damn |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. Not quite correct - it wasn't 'completely designed to humiliate and stir the edl' |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #117 |
123. Choudary is indeed just another hatemonger... |
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