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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 01:44 PM
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Leaked Cables: Israel primed to attack a nuclear Iran (2005: Mossad says US & Israel agree on Iran)
Edited on Sun Nov-28-10 01:54 PM by Turborama
Source: The Guardian

US embassy cables show security service has told Washington 'all options' are on table if Iranian bomb looks inevitable

Ian Black, Middle East editor
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 28 November 2010 18.20 GMT

Israel regarded 2010 as a "critical year" for tackling Iran's alleged quest for nuclear weapons and has warned the United States that time is running out to stop Iran from acquiring a nuclear bomb.

Ehud Barak, Israel's defence minister, told American congressmen in June 2009 there was a window of "between six and 18 months from now in which stopping Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons might still be viable". After that, Barak said – in a striking admission recorded in a confidential state department document – "any military solution would result in unacceptable collateral damage".

Barak's comments were one of many occasions in the last five years when Israeli leaders and officials have hammered home the message to the US that Iran's nuclear ambitions pose an "existential" threat to Israel. Israel is widely believed to have an extensive nuclear arsenal but under its policy of "ambiguity" it has never been avowed. Unlike Iran it has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty.

Israel saw 2010 as a pivotal year. "If the Iranians continue to protect and harden their nuclear sites it will be more difficult to target and damage them," the US embassy reported Israeli defence officials as saying in November 2009. In a discussion of the upcoming delivery of GBU-28 bunker-busting bombs to Israel it was noted that the transfer "should be handled quietly to avoid allegations that the US government was helping Israel prepare for a strike against Iran".

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/israel-primed-attack-nuclear-iran



Something from 2005...

US embassy cables: Mossad says US and Israel agree on Iran

Thursday, 17 March 2005, 10:32
S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 02 TEL AVIV 001580
SIPDIS
EO 12958 DECL: 03/15/2010
TAGS PGOV, PREL, KWBG, IR, IS, COUNTERTERRORISM, GOI EXTERNAL
SUBJECT: MOSSAD CHIEF TO CODEL CORZINE: SOME FOREIGN
FIGHTERS BEGINNING TO LEAVE IRAQ
Classified By: Pol/C Ambassador Daniel C. Kurtzer for reasons 1.4(b) an d (d).

1. (S) Summary: Mossad Chief Meir Dagan told CODEL Corzine March 13 that Israeli and U.S. thinking on Iran largely tracks, adding that he believes the EU dialogue with Iran will ultimately fail. Dagan said that Israel has evidence that some foreign fighters have returned home from Iraq, perhaps indicating that the tide may be starting to turn in the U.S. battle against the insurgency there. He worried however, that these militants' countries of origin -- in particular Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria and Sudan -- are ill-equipped to control the returning jihadis, who might then pose a threat to stability in the region and, ultimately, to Israel. End Summary.

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Iran

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2. (C) Senator Jon Corzine, accompanied by Senate staff member Evan Gottesman, the Ambassador, Pol/Res and Poloff (notetaker), met with Mossad Chief Meir Dagan March 13. Acknowledging that there are at times differences in analysis of the facts, Dagan stressed that it is similarities rather than differences that are at the heart of the GOI-U.S. intelligence relationship, particularly on Iran. The facts themselves are not in dispute, Dagan continued, adding that the U.S. and Israeli assessments of Iran's intentions and plans are largely in accord. Iran has decided to go nuclear, Dagan said, and nothing will stop it. Dagan predicted that the EU dialogue with Iran will not succeed and that the issue of Iran's nuclear ambitions would eventually go to the UN Security Council.

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Iraq - Foreign Fighters Heading Home?

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3. (S) In response to the Senator's question, Dagan said that the tide may be starting to turn in Iraq with regard to foreign militant activity. Dagan said Israel has evidence that foreign fighters originating from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Syria and Yemen have arrived back in their home countries, and he assumes that some had returned to Saudi Arabia as well. Dagan predicted that, as with men who fought in Afghanistan during the 80's and 90's, these returning militants would stay in touch with each other, forming a network based on their common experiences in Iraq.

4. (S) Stressing that Israel has no assets in Iraq other than a friendly relationship with the Kurds, Dagan said that Israel's interest is more in the impact the jihadis from, for example, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, will have once they return to their countries of origin. Although he predicts Egypt and Jordan will "do all right," Dagan said he is less confident that governments in Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, and Sudan are sufficiently well-equipped to face down the domestic challenge these returning militants will pose. The combination of their military training and the absence of strong governments willing and able to confront these men could have a devastating impact on Israel by causing chaos in their home countries, he added. Dagan predicted that these jihadis will have less of a direct impact on Palestinians, because Palestinians are already well aware of militant views and opinions via Internet chat rooms. Furthermore, Dagan said he feels that most Palestinians are not searching for "foreign flags," such as al-Qaeda, under which to rally, because those inclined to do so are already being well-mobilized under existing groups in the West Bank and Gaza.

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Lebanon

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5. (C) Dagan opined that Hizballah will never make the transition to a purely political party in Lebanon, since the organization remains very dependent on its jihadi orientation. Noting that even the recent Hizaballah-sponsored march in Beirut has not deterred the Lebanese from pressing for a full Syrian withdrawal, Dagan advised the U.S. to remain firm in its demand for a complete pullout, and attributed the willingness of the Lebanese people to rise up to U.S. action in Iraq.

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Essential to Use All Assets in the Fight Against Terrorism

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6. (C) Dagan said it is essential to combine all types of intelligence assets, rather than relying exclusively on human intelligence or signal intercepts, to counter terrorist threats. Terrorist organizations have been seeking to obtain WMD as a matter of course and, unlike countries that wish to acquire these weapons as a deterrent, non-state actors would be more inclined to actually use them, in Dagan's opinion. Asked about the relationship between illicit activities such as narcotic or arms trafficking and terrorism, Dagan confirmed that terrorist organizations try to fund their activities by criminal means, adding that credit card fraud and counterfeiting are also methods favored by these groups. Weapons originating from Yemen and Sudan are smuggled into the territories through Egypt for sale, as well as for use by militants, Dagan said.

7. (U) CODEL Corzine did not have an opportunity to clear this message.

********************************************* ******************** Visit Embassy Tel Aviv's Classified Website:

(****Taken out because it's a live link, go to the Guardian website below if you want to go there***)

You can also access this site through the State Department's Classified SIPRNET website. ********************************************* ******************** KURTZER

From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/29006
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 01:52 PM
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1. K&R :( n/t
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 01:54 PM
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 05:21 PM
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3. US engagement with Iran pointless: Israel
AAP

November 29, 2010, 4:45 am

Israel has warned its US ally that President Barack Obama's attempt to engage diplomatically with Iran over its nuclear weapons program will fail, according to leaked memos published on Sunday.

Several US cables released among a trove of secret documents secured by the WikiLeaks whistleblower site and released to newspapers show Israel pushing for Washington to consider launching military strikes against Iran.

One memo from November 2009 recounting a meeting between senior Israeli and US military officials quotes Israeli defence ministry political and military director Amos Gilad describing Tehran's alleged plans as "intolerable".

"He said Iran remains determined to reach the 'nuclear option'," said the memo, which was tagged "secret" and described as an account of a meeting of the US-Israeli "40th Joint Political Military Group".

Read more: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/8407434/iran-has-advanced-missiles-from-n-korea/
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 05:26 PM
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4. Guess they were right. Iran never did unclench that fist.
boy these documents really dont support the positions many were hoping for. No hit on the bush ordered 9/11 memo either.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 05:38 PM
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5. Iran is a signatoy
of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. There is no hard evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. Strong evidence exists to suggest that Turkey (a member of NATO) and signatory of the treaty is pursuing nuclear weapons even though it is covered by the NATO nuclear umbrella. Neither the US nor Israel is considering an attack upon Turkey. North Korea has withdrawn from the treaty and has or will soon have nuclear weapons. The US is not contemplating an attack on North Korea. India, Pakistan and Israel (all American allies) have nuclear weapons and have never signed the treaty. The US is not contemplating an attack on any of these countries. If Iran does develop nukes it will be the first country to do so in violation of its ratification of the non-proliferation treaty. If Iran does develop nukes it will no longer be vulnerable to attack and invasion by means of conventional weapons. That will place it in the same regional league with Israel, Iran, Pakistan and Turkey.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 07:03 AM
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6. Israeli Defense Minister warned strike on Iran was viable until end of 2010
November 29, 2010 - 13:16 AMT 09:16 GMT

PanARMENIAN.Net - A 2009 American government cable released Sunday by the WikiLeaks website quotes Defense Minister Ehud Barak as telling visiting American officials that a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities was viable until the end of 2010, but after that "any military solution would result in unacceptable collateral damage."

The June 2009 cable also quotes Barak as describing the Iranian leadership as "chess, not backgammon players," with a U.S. diplomat quoting the defense minister as saying Tehran would "attempt to avoid any hook to hang accusations on, and look to Pakistan and North Korea as models to emulate in terms of acquiring nuclear weapons while defying the international community."

Meanwhile, another cable shows that a 2009 claim by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that Iran was months away from achieving military nuclear capability was dismissed by the Americans as a ploy, Haaretz reported.

According to German weekly Der Spiegel, which also received advance information from WIkiLeaks, a State Department official says in a classified cable that Netanyahu informed the United States of Iran's nuclear advancement in November 2009, but that the prime minister's estimate was likely unfounded and intended to pressure Washington into action against the Islamic Republic.

More: http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/world/news/57523/Israeli_Defense_Minister_warned_strike_on_Iran_was_viable_until_yearend
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