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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 11:56 AM
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Climate talks seek to bridge rich-poor divisions
Source: AP

World governments begin another attempt Monday to overcome the disconnect between rich and poor nations on fighting global warming, with evidence mounting that the Earth's climate already is changing in ways that will affect both sides of the wealth divide.

During two weeks of talks in Cancun, Mexico, the 193-nation United Nations conference hopes to conclude agreements that will clear the way to mobilize billions of dollars for developing countries and give them green technology to help them shift from fossil fuels affecting climate change.

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Eighty-five countries have made specific pledges to reduce emissions or constrain their growth, but those promises amount to far less than required to keep temperatures from rising to potentially dangerous levels.

New evidence

While delegates haggle over the wording, timing and dollar figures involved in any agreement, scientists and political activists at the conference will be offering the latest indications of the planet's warming. Some 250 presentations are planned on the sidelines of the negotiations.

Meteorologists are likely to report that 2010 will end up tied for the hottest year globally since records began 131 years ago.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/11/29/tech-cancun-climate-change.html
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 12:36 PM
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1. I do not have much hope for this issue. There are few nations that
can even do anything about the income inequality and until that is done there is little understanding for any further steps. The rich just do not understand the issue of poverty any more than they are going to understand the effects on climate. On the other hand birth control would be a good start on both issues.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 12:46 PM
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2. No thanks - The Kyoto Protocol will not reduce emissions
Edited on Mon Nov-29-10 12:47 PM by FreakinDJ
The Multinational Corporations will just move to poorer and poorer Nations, burning up their carbon credits along the way.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 01:01 PM
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3. Talking of which...
Edited on Mon Nov-29-10 01:01 PM by Turborama
See if you can spot the odd one out..


Participation in the Kyoto Protocol, as of June 2009
Green = Countries that have signed and ratified the treaty
Grey = Countries that have not yet decided
Red = No intention to ratify at this stage.

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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 01:22 PM
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4. China and India, which are large producers of carbon dioxide, are exempted from the protocol
again No Thanks
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 02:29 PM
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5. While others on DU are pissing away their time
trying to detail all of Obama's allegedly kept promises and "great" accomplishments...

Or worrying about Palin in 2012, or who wins in "Dance with the Stars" or "American Idol"...

Here's the elephant in the room that's going to bring the entire system down!


Thanks to the 150 year heroin fix of cheap fossil fuels, humans have overshot the carrying capacity of the Earth (which is probably, best case, about 2 billion individuals)...

And are now exploiting Mother Earth's muscle tissue since all of the fat is gone and her regenerative capacity is crippled...

And by "externalizing" costs in the form of waste and pollution that will render the Earth uninhabitable for large air-breathing mammals...

And, for a start, must cut greenhouse gas production (by POWERING DOWN and CONSERVING) much more than their puny minds can imagine...

We're pretty much fucked...

Because there will be NO peace or justice on a Dead Planet!
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 02:49 PM
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6. I hope that's the one thing everyone on DU can agree with
"there will be NO peace or justice on a Dead Planet!"

I agree with everything else you said, too.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 02:56 PM
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7. I'm thinking today that I waste way too much time
Edited on Mon Nov-29-10 02:57 PM by ProudDad
rebutting the silly posts that constitute the smoke screen on DU...

I'm thinking my time would be better served posting an "inconvenient truth of the day" about the Long Emergency and the Permanent War Economy(tm)...

As pre-production for the internet radio show a friend of mine wants me to do...

And quit wasting my time trying to point out the inconvenient truths to the Hopium(tm) smokers... :)
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 06:02 AM
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12. Well said! (n/t)
:toast:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 03:03 PM
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8. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Turborama.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 06:37 PM
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9. Thought you might be interested...
Letter from a friend of mine to the Nation in concert with my OP "From Black Friday to a Better Way", an article from "The Daly News" from earlier today http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9649109 ...

He pretty well sums up what we're fighting against:

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Dear Editors:

William Greider, whose work I have admired for decades, presents a logical framework for how Obama should move in the next two years (The End of Free-Trade Globalization). Problem is, all of his arguments, like those of so many conventional economists, imply that we need to continue with the “growth economy” model. For example, Greider writes “the US economy expanded in the second quarter of 2010 by an anemic annualized rate of 1.7 percent”. However, as he understands well, the necessity for growth is mainly an artifact of our method of creating money by borrowing from privately owned banks. After all, how will we pay the interest on the loans if we don’t have economic growth?

Unfortunately, the traditional growth model ignores the fact that we are in a post-peak oil period, that other resources fueling the growth economy are diminishing rapidly, that marine fisheries are declining at an alarming rate (even without BP’s intervention), that global warming will have profound effects on global economy, and so on.

A key factor in keeping the US economy humming along is our habit of treating everything we buy or produce as disposable. So rather than design an appliance that will last a lifetime, or will be repairable with inexpensive spare parts, we choose to consign the old product to the trash heap and rush out to buy the latest model with all its useless bells and whistles. In one of our major industrial sectors – military equipment manufacture – we pour hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars into products that either self-destruct or are declared obsolete after a single year. These behaviors part and parcel of the growth economy, which cannot tolerate a slowdown in buying or production.

In any case, we have followed the growth model for a hundred years and what has it brought us? Boom, bust, boom, bust, etc – which might not be so bad except that during the boom years the majority of wealth somehow is garnered by the elite of the elite classes, while during the bust periods you can guess who takes all the punishment. On top of that, the growth economy has brought us polluted air and water, hugely increased rates of cancer, global warming, toxic food, depleted soil, and a variety of other ills.

Can we not contemplate an economy that approaches a steady state, in which food and manufactured goods are produced and consumed locally and our landfills decrease in size rather than grow exponentially? It’s not such a stretch to imagine a world in which energy is consumed only as absolutely needed, banks make loans based on the amount of depositor capital on hand, agriculture serves the needs of people living within a reasonable distance, i.e. not requiring the consumption of millions of barrels of oil (or the equivalent in other forms of energy).

Such a word would also have people working far fewer hours than they do today, and provide many more options for choosing a satisfactory form of work as opposed to a “job” that is determined by somebody else’s capital.

To reiterate, we need to stop thinking and planning about growth economies, because it is so obvious that the old model is not working at all – unless you happen to be one of the super-wealthy, a beneficiary of the system that transfers wealth into the hands of a few at the expense of the many.





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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 02:24 AM
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10. Kick
for the most important single issue in the world today...

Everything else is minor stuff compared to the end of the Earth as a habitable planet for mammals...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 02:32 AM
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11. Global Warming, of course, makes clearer what is happening -- the HEATING up
of our environment which creates chaotic weather --

Frank Luntz, GOP right wing propagandist, advised Bush in 20002 to change

Global Warming to Climate Change --


We've known about Global Warming since at least the mid 1950's -- but actually

even longer -- scientists have been aware since at least the 1800's of the human

impact.

And PS ... we've done nothing but watch the oil industry hide the truth of Global

Warming -- disinform and misinform and generally lie to the public!

We will not get any response to Global Warming unless we NATIONALIZE the oil industry.

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