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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 01:06 AM
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In slideshow, Rep. Joe Barton declares war on the Obama administration
Source: Washington Post

The committee's ranking Republican, Rep. Joe L. Barton (Tex.), has a slide presentation that he's e-mailing to colleagues, pledging to do for the administration what Gen. George Patton and company did for Germany. The first slides are standard campaign material, with Barton asking to be elected by the new House Republican majority to be chairman of the committee.

He naturally touts his conservative credentials, saying, "I know the ropes and can hit the ground running immediately." He especially appeals to the newly elected members, saying he would make sure they are represented on the powerful committee.

Then comes the money slide, titled: "What's in Store for the Obama Administration," with photos of President Dwight D. Eisenhower and Generals Omar Bradley and George Patton in uniform.

"Speaker Boehner is our Dwight Eisenhower in the battle against the Obama Administration. Majority Leader Cantor is our Omar Bradley. I want to be George Patton - put anything in my scope and I will shoot it."


Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/29/AR2010112904500.html



As Republicans get more and more crazy, watch the corporate media do its best to make them sound mainstream. Look at Rand Paul, Sarah Palin, and now BP apologist, Joe Barton.

If he were a Democrat, the media would be running 24/7 outrage from the pundits.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 01:23 AM
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1. Doesn't this get to
the point of treason? This sounds worthy of an investigation by the Secret Service.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 06:50 AM
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25. I suspect that if you or I threated to shoot a President, we'd get a phone call at least
Apparently Joe Barton isn't (or doesn't feel) bound by the same laws.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 01:22 PM
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88. Yes, FBI/Sec. Service, how about it? This nutcase is threatening to shoot & riling up the wingnuts
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 01:23 PM by wordpix
for a war against our legally elected president :grr:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:54 AM
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35. It sure does.
There is simply no justification for this kind of rhetoric.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:02 AM
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79. My first thought, too. nt
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:13 AM
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83. no it doesn't
and if our Democratic leaders had the balls to have used this sort of rhetoric in opposing chimpy we'd have all applauded them for it.

Hyperpole does not equal treason and its silly when the rightwing gets all hot and bothered about "treason" and its equally silly when we do it here.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:15 PM
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100. Well, as a test case...
Why don't you send a LTTE in which you declare war on the President and vow to shoot anything that "comes into your sights."

Then sign your name to it, and we'll see what kind of watch-lists you wind up on.


Just saying.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:49 PM
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101. actually, you just proved my point
Let's say I wrote the LTTE as you suggested. I might well get a visit from the Secret Service (I would hope so). And then, when they reviewed this thread, and the rest of the evidence,they would conclude that I had not made a true threat. The only difference with Barton, is that they don't need to go through that to come to the conclusion that his hyperbole was just that -- not a true threat. And while my little stunt wasted their resources, they're smart enough not to waste them on "investigating" Barton.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:04 PM
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102. You're giving yourself more credit than is fair
Do you think that they'd check you out, pat you on the head, and say "very well, go on with your day?"

Or do you think that you'd wind up on a list of people to watch, simply because it's easy to put people on such a list and nearly impossible to remove oneself?


Barton is allowed off the hook not because it's hyperbole, but because of his privileged position.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:23 PM
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103. wrong. Barton is off the hook because its hyperbole
If he made a true threat, he wouldn't be off the hook. But he didn't make a true threat. You know it. I know it. The Secret Service knows it.
And I might well end up on a list of people to watch. Again, given that each set of facts is different, and my statement was not made in the same political context as Barton's, they would be treated differently. See, that's the point. The Secret Service is trained to differentiate and assess statements based on their context, not to pretend (like some here at DU like to do) that context is irrelevant.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:50 PM
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105. Actually, that's not the point
Clearly it's hyperbole. No one disputes that.

The hyperbole isn't the context; the context is established because a privileged speaker is making a statement that would expose a non-privileged speaker to intense scrutiny.



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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:53 PM
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106. well, if you agree its hyperbole, then I guess you agree its not a matter for the Secret Service
glad to see we got that settled.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:57 PM
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107. My position on the matter hasn't changed since reply #25
You and I simply disagree on why it's not going to be a matter for the Secret Service.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #107
108. so you still think the Secret Service should have wasted time calling Barton
okay then.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #108
109. I'm saying that Barton's privileged position shouldn't grant special rights to make threats
Hyperbolic or otherwise.


If some equivalent political figure were to go on record with an equivalent threat against Barton, however histrionic, do you think Barton would chuckle warmly and say "ah, hyperbole," or do you suppose he would demand some formal apology or the like?


I'm about done with you. Good night.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #109
111. no, that's not what you are saying
This isn't about whether Barton should apologize -- he should. Its about the fact that you seem to think that because the Secret Service would check me (or you) out if we made a comment along the same lines as the one Barton made that they also should take the time to talk to Barton. That's stupid. They know who Barton is. They know from the context it wasn't a true threat. So they don't need to (and shouldn't) waste time talking to him. Even though you seem to think they should.

Buh-bye!
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 01:27 AM
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2. I wish the ghost of Patton...
would come back and kick Barton's ass.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 05:17 AM
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10. awoke_in_2003
awoke_in_2003

I think the ghost of Bradley, Patton and Eisenhower would have kicked mr Bartons ass and more... What the republicans of 2010 are, is not what republicans of the 1940s was... Not even of the 1950s when Eisenhower was the man in sharge...

Diclotican
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 05:27 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. True, but I hope no one starts waxing nostalgic about Ike, Goldwater or Nixon.
They were all turds.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:20 AM
Response to Reply #11
28.  Nixon?
Clean water
Clean air
SALT
China
Social security
EPA

Nixon was more liberal than today's DINOs
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #28
34. So the RW keeps claiming. They'd love to have the only Prez who was forced to resign
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 07:59 AM by No Elephants
go down in history as a liberal.


Comparing Nixon favorably to today's DINOs is not a fair comparison, any more than comparing a WWI flying ace negatively (or favorably) to today's jet jockeys would be a fair comparison.

Even comparing Nixon (favorably or negatively) with Ted Kennedy just before Ted'd death would not be a fair comparison. Compare Nixon's Presidency with LB's.

Also, you are giving Nixon a lot of credit for legislation that he did not initiate, but simply did not veto (and, if he had, his veto might well have been overridden). Plus, you are being mighyy selective. McCarthy supporter until the bitter end, dirty tricks, enemies list, money laundering, Watergste, anti-Semitism, racism, lying about knowing how to end the Vietnam War with honor while he campaigned, Kissinger--and I could go on and on.

As I said, Nixon was a turd, from Congress until his David Frost interview-and probably until his death.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #34
44. Thank you; I get tired of hearing that silly meme. nt
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #44
74. The ideological field was very different in that era.
The country was in a much more liberal mood--as witness the crashing & burning of Goldwater's 1964 campaign. ("In your guts, you know he's nuts!") Nixon was the furtherst-right politician that the electorate would tolerate. Even he had to promise a "secret plan to end the war" to get elected in 1968. The machinations of the Republicans in the 1972 Primary season took down all the widely acceptable Democrats (e.g. Ed Muskie) with dirty tricks, leaving only George McGovern, their chosen opponent, standing (God bless George, one of the most decent men in American politics--I loved him & campaigned for him, but he was doomed to fail).

Today's ideological field has been pushed far to the right. Yes, Nixon looks sorta liberal in comparison to today's available spectrum of political positions. That doesn't mean he wasn't far to the right in his own day. Nevertheless, he did some things, such as opening China, that were rather surprising coming from him.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #44
82. how about looking at the facts?
Would Ben Nelson vote for a bill creating the EPA?
Would Landrieux vote for regulation of BP or Wall Street?
Would Evan byebye support clean air legislation, given the current stink of affairs in Gary, Indiana? (my LTTE on BP's poisoning of our Lake Michigan received the highest number of responses ever, according to my local weekly's editor).

The sad fact is that Nixon accomplished incredible feats of social and ecological legislation, far more than any DINO in office today would even consider.

Do I like Nixon? No. His problems were as great as his accomplishments. But I read his books, and found them every informative and enlightening. Then again, I also red Mao's Little Red Book, A Communist Manifesto, Mein Kampf, and last and quite least, Sarah's ghost-written, auto-biospammy.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #34
53. The truth is that both Nixon and Eisenhower passed legislation that
was more liberal than today's administration. You can be as partisan as you want, and name-call all you want, but the fact is that you need to crack open a history book.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #53
76. exactly.
I don't disagree that he was also a paranoid, power hungry sort, but he also had some pretty good ideas. I recommend that people read some of his books. His insights would serve the current GOP quite well, except for the fact that they don't know how to read.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #28
51. Same with Eisenhower -
he is the president who expanded social security. We'd be lucky if Obama were as leftist as he was.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #11
99. I would take Ike...
over any politician that currently calls themselves republican.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #10
49. They're not even the Republicans of 1990.
This group of Republicans are standing against America and everything it is.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #2
69. Patton was just about as crazy as Barton.
So was MacArthur, BTW. Ike, on the other hand, was sane--as was Omar Bradley.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #69
86. Would Boener treat Barton like Ike treated Patton?
Made him apologize and removed him from command.

--imm

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #86
87. Boner would put him in for a medal.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #87
93. Rof!
--imm
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 01:31 AM
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3. bullies love a guy who wont fight back. they will keep doing it til theyre stopped nt
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. Ah, Once Again, Give The Republican A Free Pass, And Attack The Democrat
DU seems filled with Republican apologists. A Republican can say something completely crazy, yet is always the fault of the Democrats, or at least that is what the corporate media keeps on telling us.

When the Republicans raise a record number of filibusters, the media tells us that it is Obama's fault, rather than the Republicans for acting in an unprecedented manner.

Slowely, we being to accept this narrative as truth, and turn every extremist statement by a Republican as the fault of the Democrats.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 05:30 AM
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12. Meh. Just because a post doesn't begin, "Obviously, Barton is wrong, but..."
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 05:36 AM by No Elephants
doesn't mean the poster is giving Barton a pass.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 06:11 AM
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:34 AM
Response to Reply #20
29. um...see my post below...I'm a BIG fan
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:02 AM
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37. Links?
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 08:20 AM by No Elephants
I have never seen a single post here equating Obama with Hitler or approving of those equations or of those who make them.

If I had seen such posts, I would probably have alerted, as would most here, including probably you. And whoever posted them woud have been tombstoned.

Even "doubt," if honest, has a factual basis. So, I'd really be interested in seeing some basis for a claim like yours. Please do post links to as many posts equating Obama and Hitler or approving of that equations, or of those who make it as you can.

Otherwise, it might just seem like so much divisive bullshit, posted only to diss DUers who disagree with your views simply bc they are to your left (yes, left, not right) politically. And thst would seem as thhough you prefer to attack your fellow DUers ad hominem and baselessly, rather than debate political points with them. And that's lame, and possibly against DU rules.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:03 AM
Response to Reply #20
38. Find me a single DUer that has praised
Barton - for anything. Find me one that doesn't consider him the lowest sort of corporate slime puppet. Your post is ridiculous. You owe "many DU'ers" an apology.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #38
77. I praise him
for pointing out so clearly, just how insane the GOP has become. It is a little like the State of Georgia during Brown v. Board of Education. The rest of the nation will be repulsed when Barton's words become policy.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #20
66. What a horrible thing to say. Just nasty. n/t
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Demstud Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #20
71. I think you're reading the wrong forum
You seem confused. If anything, people have been making crazy comments at the other end of the spectrum on here wanting a guy tried for treason for using some militant symbolism.
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Old Time Pagan Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #20
84. Because we're not giving an Obama a free pass and acting
like republicans by falling in lock step behind him even when we disagree vigorously with some of his choices, appointments and strategies.

When liberals stop challenging their leaders they will stop being liberals. Ever heard the phrase "as hard as herding cats", that's what it's like leading true free thinkers.

I hope you simply posted out of a moment of pique and have since reconsidered your observation.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 01:36 PM
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #84
110. Except This Is A Story About A Republican Acting Insane, And DUers Say Its Obama's Fault
A Republican can say the craziest stuff, but invariably there will be some post saying that its because President Obama is weak, not progressive enough, etc. There is this constant narrative of Republican apologists who excuse Republicans extremism as the fault of the Democratic leadership.

Conversely, if a Democrats says something stupid, rarely do the Republicans get blamed for it. I just find this one way narrative to be curious.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #6
39. i agree,
and find it really frustrating. let us not forget who has in the past will in the future if allowed and is today fucking up this country. REPUBLICANS.

on a different note, i saw a very cool bumper sticker on the way to work this morning. "I am not a Republican." i was right behind the dude and gave him a thumbs up, don't know if he saw it or not.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #6
50. Place the blame where it should be placed.
Name one time in the last 2 years where the Republicans were actually forced to exercise the filibuster, not just threaten it.

Show one clip of Obama coming out and pointing to this slide show and using it as an example of how Republicans speak of bipartisanship, but when it comes down to it all they want is control again.

Yes what they say is bat shit crazy and in my opinion criminal. Democrats become their own victims when they refuse to fight back.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #50
94. "Name one time in the last 2 years where the Republicans were actually forced to exercise the filibu
It isn't like on the movies, All they have to do is vote against cloture. That is the modern day fillibuster. The End.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:56 AM
Response to Reply #6
61. How does this post represent a "Free Pass"?
Calling Republicans "Bullies" is a free pass? Or is it that any criticism of Obama, even indirect, is considered out of bounds?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #3
59. yes...there`s a political war in this country and obama better lead or...
he`ll be replaced in 2012.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 01:32 AM
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4. I guess that makes Obama....... Hitler! Again?

Damn.

Why can't Barton be MacArthur, and at least let Obama be Tojo or Hirohito for a change?

Moe, Larry, and Shemp is more like it.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 05:35 AM
Response to Reply #4
13. Republicans do tend more toward Johnny One Note than toward independent thought or
creativity. On the other hand, they get their propaganda acrosss. So I guess some might call it branding.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 01:38 AM
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5. Why aren't Repubs upset that the people they sent to DC to represent them and
work out the probems with the country are decidingto spend their time politicing instead? i'm a leftie ut i'd be willing at least to listen to any ideas that might work to improve the economy and decrease unemployment. All I've heard so far is defeat Obama and bury th Dems. They may well succeed on both of those fronts, but it does NOthing for the Country!
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Demstud Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #5
48. Some are hopeless
I think some moderates and independents will be upset, at least if they're made aware of it. Most people never even hear these kind of things. The base though are just out of their freaking minds, and have been brainwashed into being so terrified of minorities, terrorists, socialists, and environmentalists that there's not much reasoning with a lot of them. But you have to at least try. It only takes a few jumping ship to make a difference.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 01:44 AM
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7. batshit insane
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Blacksheep214 Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 05:02 AM
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8. Generals don't carry rifles
So asshat, NO SCOPE!

What a treasonous piece of shit!
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:53 AM
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78. And Generals don't appoint themselves
Sadly for them, this particular gaggle of self-proclaimed heroes have no military background whatsoever. They'll require a crash course primer in order to get the hang of it. So for starters what's say we ship them all off to Marine boot camp? In about 10 weeks Barton and the boys will come out as buck privates with a ways to go before that 4th or 5th star they aspire to, but you know they gotta start somewhere. It'd be a real good time of year for some character buildin'!
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 05:06 AM
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9. are ya'll that paranoid?
this is called symbolism.

If you really think that this chucklehead is actually going to shoot Obama, you are as batshit crazy as most republicans.

is he a moron? check
could he have chosen better imagery? most certainly
does he want to stop/block/hinder the Obama agenda? absopositivelutely
is he headed off to Washington to commit high treason? c'mon...no more so that anyone here.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 05:45 AM
Response to Reply #9
14. Sure. He's much like the chickenhawks who dodged the draft and/or helped their offspring
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 05:50 AM by No Elephants
dodge the draft, but voted to have you and/or your kids fight.

He would never soil his trigger own finger, but speaks with, at a minimum, reckless disregard of whether he is inciting someone else to pick up a gun and a bus ticket to D.C.

He also speaks in reckless disregard of the truth and common decencry, but that's another issue.


Thanks for the defense of Conway, though. DU should be fair and balanced, even if defending Republicans req1uires arguments that don't stsnd up to much examination.

Ph, geez. I think I may have just conflated FOX and DU. Sorry. My bad.



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Ferretherder Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 05:49 AM
Response to Reply #9
16. So, are you saying his 'symbolism' is OK...
...or even warranted?

Are you saying that a Dem rep saying the very same thing about a Repub prez should be just OK?
That doing the goddamn work the people sent him there to do should just take a back seat to his warped priorities?

...just askin'.
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #16
57. let's go to the video tape
me:

is he a moron? check
could he have chosen better imagery? most certainly
does he want to stop/block/hinder the Obama agenda? absopositivelutely


you:

Are you saying that a Dem rep saying the very same thing about a Repub prez should be just OK?

ummmm....there were plenty of people right here at DU who, while not using the same words, expressed similar sentiment.

That doing the goddamn work the people sent him there to do should just take a back seat to his warped priorities?

this is Texas we are talking about here. As he "won" his district by a 2:1 margin, did you stop to think that he just might be "doing the goddamn work the people sent him there to do"? again, this is Texas, normal rules don't apply there.

Do I support his comments? hell no.
Should he have phrased it differently? yup
had he phrased it differently would his constituents understood him? Probably not, a brick through a plate glass window is subtlety to rural Texans.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #57
98. unfortunately,you are correct.
the sheeple in his district march obediently to the polls,make the "Christian" vote...while he gets rich from theirignorance.

try to inform them...you are a communist,socialist marxist unamerican,troop hater....I know-I've been there.
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Demstud Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #16
73. It's not ok
but it's also clearly not treason. Any RATIONAL thinking person would know this isn't someone literally plotting a violent takeover. At worst he should apologize for a poor choice of words and be exposed to the public as an obstructionist, and someone who puts political party above the interests of the American people.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 06:20 AM
Response to Reply #9
22. DU has gone batshit crazy. Make excuses for Republicans and attack Obama 24/7.
New rules are awesome. How civil.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #22
43. melmoose's post is NOT typical of DU
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 08:39 AM by No Elephants

Please see Reply 37 and other replies to Chulanowa's post. While you're at it, you may want to look at profiles of posters whose screen names start with "melm." (There are only 5 of them.)
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #43
52. are you accusing me of something? n/t
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 09:19 AM by melm00se
and you are correct, my post is not representative of DU.

I find that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar..

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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:06 AM
Response to Reply #9
40. I get is as symbolism, but it is disturbing nonetheless.
If anyone still has any doubts the prevailing political philosophy of the Republicans is Party Power at the expense of governance and leadership, they really don't have to travel far from this "chucklehead."

It's disturbing in its openness of agenda. No attempt to even disguise their moves as policy related.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #9
45. We aren't in a position to commit that treason. Barton is. nt
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:03 AM
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63. Yes, and those teabaggers, they're all just SO rational and sensible . . .
Given a 24/7 chorus of assclowns like Barton and the hate radio/cable amplifier through which they speak, it would only take one nut and one gun.

I don't think that's "paranoid". I think that's American history.

Andrew Jackson - assassination attempt
Abraham Lincoln - assassinated
James Garfield - assassinated
William McKinley - assassinated
Teddy Roosevelt - assassination attempt
FDR - assassination attempt
Harry Truman - assassination attempt
JFK - assassinated
Gerald Ford - two assassination attempts
Ronald Reagan - assassination attempt
Bill Clinton - assassination attempt (or had you forgotten the plane crashing into the White House?)

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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:18 AM
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68. No, he's not going to actually shoot...
He's just shooting his big seditious mouth off...But he's stirring up all those people out there in our beloved country who bloody well WILL try to shoot...the president, cops, Holocaust Museum guards and any other hapless souls who get in their way.
He and his right wing pals have flat out said it....they want to stop the government in its tracks, at a time when millions of people are hurting and frightened and,yes, ANGRY.

You don't think stopping our elected President from doing anything he can to cure our problems ...with that kind of poisonous language....is dangerous?

Can you really be that naive?
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #9
70. In a country where assasination is not just a figure of speech
it is unacceptable for a Congress Person to say things like this. It is unacceptable. Do you think while Junior was in if a Dem said this that the MSM wouldn't be all over it, calling for his removal?

When it comes from a Congress person it matters and wheter we like it or not it carries weight. If you make it acceptable for him to say it others will say it and the public sees this kind of thought and potential action as acceptable. (I am talking about the nuts).

Words and statements have consequences.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 05:49 AM
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15. ..."put anything in my scope and I will shoot it." Treason.
Pure and simple.

Have him dragged away in irons.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 05:54 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. Not sure if it's treason, but it's sure a threat against the President. Where's the Secret Service?
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 05:55 AM by No Elephants
Will Holder chsrge him?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #17
92. Hopefully the Secret Service is doing its job
which is to focus on true threats to the President, not political hyperbole. The fact that the Secret Service can tell the difference (even if some here can't) is a good thing.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:35 AM
Response to Reply #15
32. My Thoughts As Well (nt)
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 05:54 AM
Response to Original message
18. Is Joe the Barton YET ANOTHER Republicon Chickenhawk?
I know the vast horde of Chickenhawk Republicon 'leaders' likes to dress up and pretend they are some kinda tuff war heroes and shit like Patton -- so I fully expect this Joe the Barton clown is just another chickenhawk, like virtually ALL of the Republicon 'leaders.'

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 06:17 AM
Response to Reply #18
21. Pls. see Reply 14.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #21
54. Aha - I suspected as much. YET another Republicon Chickenhawk
They have the biggest mouths -- and are slaphappy about sending us and our sons and daughters off to die in far-away lands for the lies they & their RepubliCronies tell.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 05:58 AM
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19. Anyone ever see George C. Scott's movie portrayal of Patton?
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 06:13 AM by No Elephants
If Scott's depiction was accurate, Patton was an asshole, a nutter and a neo theo. So, maybe Conway nailed at least his own personality.


Isn't odd how the right yelped about respecting the "office," if not the man (whatever the hell that may mean) every time a poster mocked Dummya?

And RW posters were the ones who ludicrously brought up Godwin's Law (or Godwin's joke) every time someone compsred any Republican person or idea with anything relating to Nazi Germany?

Yet now. elected state and federal officials portray Obama as either a steretypical African-American slave or Hitler and the RW supports them or, at a minimum, defends them with cries of free speech?


Hyocritical, double standard Turd, thy name is Republican. POPMA (Party of Patriotism, my ass.)
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 06:30 AM
Response to Original message
23. oy vey...my representative..with NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE,btw
with an 85% vote in my county.

Heaven,et al...help us.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:04 AM
Response to Reply #23
26. I'm so sorry for you. Come to Mass.. Aside from the Brown turd, it's
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 07:11 AM by No Elephants
nowhere near as embarrassing. For instance, my rep voted against the WOT and Iraq and also against the "PatrioT" Act, all very courageous then and all 100% vindicated. Could not be prouder. Sadly, he lacks charisma and slicknesss and is not especially photogenic, so he'll probably never get further than he is. (Mass. voters are Blue, but shallowness is universal.)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #23
46. I feel your pain. the only redeeming quality McCain has is that he actually saw combat--
although he certainly seems to have (possibly understandably) forgotten what it was like.

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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 06:31 AM
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24. off the leash
Since we have no choice but to cope with a Republican House at this point, the best hope is that they truly come off the leash.

I hope they attempt every pointless and or destructive thing they have in mind. From what I have been reading, it is a long list. One can look good in their company by simply not being another idiot hellbent to destroy the Country. Yes, the result will be stupid and unproductive, but it was always going to be and there is no avoiding it. Barack, at his best, is very good at teasing his opponents stupidity to new and impressive levels. These guys come into office desperate to go there, and most of the republican newbies have zero political experience.

They are acting like they have veto proof majorities in both houses, when in fact they do not have the votes to override a veto in the one house they will control.

The people do not yet seem to understand what pure rightwing BS actually is when all restraints are lifted. I hope they finally find out.

This much is clear, what they are proposing is precisely the wrong solution to almost everything.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:20 AM
Response to Reply #24
27. My favorite dream.
My fantasy would be that some Democratic representative would grow a ball of balls and knock one of these loud mouth Republicans on their fat ass. The situation is far past the point of civility. Republicans have become obnoxious assholes that should be called out.
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syberlion Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #27
60. There's only one problem with your dream...
If a Democrat did haul off and bitch-slap one of these crazy-ass repubs, my vote is for Michelle Bachman, they would be arrested for treason and the corporate controlled media would vilify the entire Democratic party for "not controlling their own". Remember when pointing out just the provable facts against the war criminals, er Bush administration cause you to be called un-American and remember, exposing the facts cost the jobs of real journalist.

What we have here is a failure to communicate, that's what happens when the media is controlled by the corporations that want things to remain the way they were. As long as you have mass media selling mass lies, people like Joe Barton are going to be allowed to act with seditious intent.

Yes, they want to overthrow this government, they want to install an oligarchy, they are well on their way and have most of the crowd controlling tools to accomplish this goal. Getting them to let go of the levers of power isn't going to be easy. They want to be "The Party" from the book "1984" because they want power for power's sake, period. They don't care if they have no ideas, or don't know how to govern, it's never been about that, it's about the power, period.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:34 AM
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30. he Should Be Arrested + Prosecuted
Looks like a direct threat to Obama as well.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:35 AM
Response to Original message
31. I reported the asshat to the FBI, then wrote and told him about it!
Here's ZIP codes in that pig's district:

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=127419870616017&topic=138

And here's the traitor's contact info:

http://joebarton.house.gov/ContactJoe.aspx?Type=Contact

And the FBI report form:

https://tips.fbi.gov/
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h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:37 AM
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33. The man is certifiable! Get out the straitjacket!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:56 AM
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36. K&R
They have completely lost their fucking minds. If this doesn't underscore the false equivalency from Anderson Cooper and John Stewart I don't know what does.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:17 AM
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41. That spinning sound you hear is...
...coming from Eisenhower's grave. If he were alive, he'd probably vomit at the comparison of himself to that Orange-skinned asshole.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:27 AM
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42. Joe Barton... Guilty of sedition!
This is the same guy who said that demanding payment for damages from the Gulf oil spill was "a shakedown" on the part of the administration.
He is the WORST candidate for chairman of the energy committee, because he's in the pocket of Big Oil.
He's taken millions from them, so he's bought and paid for, by the fossil fuel industry.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:58 AM
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47. TeaPublicans - Creating Jobs? No. Reducing the Deficit? No. Reigning in Military Spending? Hell No
Making sure Obama does not get re-elected? HELL YES!!

This isn't government.
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Can of Whoop-ass Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:32 AM
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55. Retread Barton.
Let him talk that way to Saint Reagan or Jesus Bush. The Patriot Act.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:39 AM
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56. Is he OK with a Democrat saying the same about him?
No, he'd instantly become the world's biggest pacifist, citing Jesus as his peace-loving inspiration.

Cowards, all of them.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:45 AM
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58. hey joey..you are to stupid and don`t have the balls to be patton
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CRK7376 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:01 AM
Response to Original message
62. What is it with
all these Chickenhawks that want to be Generals? Instant Generals don't exist, they start off at the bottom rung as grunts and lieutenants....
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:08 AM
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64. Patton would slap him. nt
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riverbendviewgal Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:10 AM
Response to Original message
65. He was never in the military
but I bet he has his hands in BP's pockets... He is the apology guy to BP. He is in BP's "army".



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Barton
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:17 AM
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67. So who gets to be Franklin D. Roosevelt?
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 10:18 AM by Zambero
You know, the Commander-in-Chief who oversaw the actions of all these WWII Generals? What??? Oh Gawd, he was a Democrat and a New Deal SOCIALIST to boot. This good old boy chickenhawk better dream up another "victory skit", like quick!
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:25 AM
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72. Why does he hate America?!
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:42 AM
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75. So is this asshat gonna secede and form a one-man nation called dumbfuckistan?
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Mosaic Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:04 AM
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80. Wouldn't this be something
What if every time some republican thug spoke tough, no one cared. I say we stop pay attention to their cheap psychological tricks, memes, talking points, conspiracy theories and other assorted garbage.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:08 AM
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81. The correct response to this is clearly more hope for bipartisanship. n/t
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 11:08 AM by lumberjack_jeff
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 12:04 PM
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85. Now watch
this filthy meme FLY around the world. It will because the GOP and its allies are MUCH more attuned to the value of message management.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #85
90. "MUCH more attuned to the value of message management"
Any Democrat who hasn't yet figured out the importance of the message is truly a useless "moran".

They CANNOT be that stupid.

They don't put out a message of their own because they haven't got one.

That's the way it is with good-cop-bad-cop: the "good" cop's only message is "deal with me because that fucker's crazy".

The Dems are not dumb enough to continue blowing it this badly. They have joined the other side.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #90
95. I suppose that's a possibility on a case-by-case basis
But it doesn't answer for the orgs that HAVEN'T clearly gone over.

I have personally been witness to utter cluelessness among organizations that are still in the struggle, but would rather spend their money on doughnuts than on actual outreach. They really exist, and they really ARE clueless.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #95
96. If you've seen them, then I'll believe they exist.
But, boy, we are talking about some serious blindness there!
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #96
97. Oh, it is
It's blindness on a scale fit to make Helen Keller look like a 20/10 sharpshooter. The usual M.O. is to say "we have to spend our budget on political contributions to get our candidate elected." Then, of course, all that money goes into the pockets of media organizations owned by right wing corporations that hate us anyway.
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 03:14 PM
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91. What vile and disgusting egotisitcal arrogant assholes these Republicans
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 03:15 PM by activa8tr
are!

They compare themselves to war heros and brave honest men and they are the most selfish con artists outside of prison in the nation.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:26 PM
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104. hey look! it's a Republican more interested in taking down Dems
rather than look out for America. !wow! !WHAT a shocker!:sarcasm:
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