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swag
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Wed Jan-05-11 06:53 PM Original message |
Retracted autism study an 'elaborate fraud,' British journal finds |
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DesertRat
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Wed Jan-05-11 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. How many children's lives have been put at risk |
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cleanhippie
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Wed Jan-05-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. None... |
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SkyDaddy7
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Wed Jan-05-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. None? |
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NutmegYankee
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Wed Jan-05-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Not just children either. |
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DesertRat
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Wed Jan-05-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Exactly right. n/t |
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AtheistCrusader
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Wed Jan-05-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. It wasn't shoddy science. |
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cleanhippie
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Wed Jan-05-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I guess you missed my point. |
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Capitalocracy
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Wed Jan-05-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Yet this will continue to erode the public's view of science. |
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cleanhippie
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Wed Jan-05-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. . |
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cleanhippie
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Wed Jan-05-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Agreed, but only because it keeps getting pushed as "science." |
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Capitalocracy
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Wed Jan-05-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. What people will think... |
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boppers
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Thu Jan-06-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
124. I can totally believe the Mormon study. |
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christx30
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Thu Jan-06-11 11:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
126. My wife doesn't want to be vaccinated for anything |
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defendandprotect
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Thu Jan-06-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #13 |
56. No different from attacks on scientists who have delivered the Global Warming message .... |
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jeff47
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Thu Jan-06-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. The fact that you're unaware of the larger studies |
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defendandprotect
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Thu Jan-06-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #60 |
95. Let's review some of those studies ... as we have done before -- |
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NickB79
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Thu Jan-06-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. Remind me again what medical degrees Bobby Kennedy has? nt |
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defendandprotect
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Thu Jan-06-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #102 |
116. Remind me again of how corrupt and criminal Big Pharma companies are ... ?? |
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jeff47
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Thu Jan-06-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #116 |
121. Relevance? |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:02 AM Response to Reply #121 |
135. What's the relevance of drug companies defrauding government/Medicare ... |
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jeff47
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #135 |
142. Once again, your facts are wrong. |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #142 |
180. (Studies) ... "most not funded by 'big pharma'" . . . . |
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jeff47
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Fri Jan-07-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #180 |
187. Still wrong |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-07-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #187 |
202. Still wrong ... |
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NickB79
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #202 |
218. Mercury was added to vaccines in the 1930's |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #218 |
221. There were changes ... in later years ... |
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Teaser
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Fri Jan-07-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #187 |
205. "More testing means many 'marginal' cases that would have been undiagnosed are now diagnosed" |
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Fri Jan-07-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #180 |
206. Wow, you are actually using the flying spaghetti monster argument |
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alarimer
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Fri Jan-07-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #180 |
224. You are completely WRONG |
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jeff47
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Thu Jan-06-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #95 |
120. Bobby's just looking for publicity. |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:05 AM Response to Reply #120 |
136. That wouldn't be an attempt to smear Bobby Kennedy by any chance, would it? |
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jeff47
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:30 AM Response to Reply #136 |
143. Yes, it would |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #143 |
179. When you have to admit to smear tactics.... you've defeated yourself ... |
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jeff47
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Fri Jan-07-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #179 |
188. Again, you're ignoring reality in order to confirm your opinion |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-07-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #188 |
207. That's your opinion ... I trust you'd agree with that -- |
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ChairmanAgnostic
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Thu Jan-06-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #9 |
68. He should go to jail for the harm he has caused |
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cleanhippie
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Thu Jan-06-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. I couldn't agree more. |
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ChairmanAgnostic
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Thu Jan-06-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #71 |
94. the question is for how long. |
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Capitalocracy
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Thu Jan-06-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #94 |
109. Even if people died? |
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LeftishBrit
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Thu Jan-06-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Though your basic point is valid, vaccination in England didn't drop by 80% |
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Capitalocracy
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Thu Jan-06-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Thanks for the correction |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:07 AM Response to Reply #68 |
137. And what should we do about ALL the drug companies which have defrauded Medicare/government? |
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ChairmanAgnostic
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Fri Jan-07-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #137 |
181. a whole different issue. |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-07-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #181 |
208. No ... it's a related issue ... In order to have confidence in the vaccines .... |
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ChairmanAgnostic
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Fri Jan-07-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #208 |
210. chasm of sar, indeed. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #210 |
216. Confidence in Wall Street Daley would be "chasm of sar" -- |
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Thu Jan-06-11 06:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
42. yes, whooping cough outbreaks are just one example of what that idiotic |
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AtheistCrusader
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Wed Jan-05-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. ty |
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One_Life_To_Give
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Thu Jan-06-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
70. How many died of Whooping Cough? |
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endless october
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Thu Jan-06-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
104. many lives have been put at risk by this. |
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defendandprotect
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Thu Jan-06-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #104 |
117. Breastfeeding provides immunity ... how many of these diseases worsened |
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endless october
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Fri Jan-07-11 05:15 AM Response to Reply #117 |
127. in the era before vaccination was invented, everyone was breast fed. |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-07-11 07:45 AM Response to Reply #127 |
129. It was enough ... all nature has some death ... if we want to break those bonds with |
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endless october
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #129 |
170. and back in the pre-vaccine glory days... |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-07-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #170 |
182. The argument isn't for NO vaccines ... it's for CAUTION .... |
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Dorian Gray
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Fri Jan-07-11 06:14 AM Response to Reply #117 |
128. Breastfeeding |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-07-11 07:46 AM Response to Reply #128 |
130. Disease existed for many reasons ... compare the Western European with the native American... |
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LeftishBrit
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Sat Jan-08-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #130 |
228. Who was healthy? Neither. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #128 |
222. Native Americans had natural immunties ... but NOT to everything the Western European introduced |
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fleabert
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Fri Jan-07-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #117 |
201. are you for real? |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:38 PM Response to Reply #201 |
223. Are you for real? |
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fleabert
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Sat Jan-08-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #223 |
226. finally you answered a question without spam about 19 other topics. |
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defendandprotect
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Sat Jan-08-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #226 |
229. I respond to spam by repeating what they are ignoring .... |
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fleabert
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Sat Jan-08-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. ok. but do you trust the SCIENTISTS? |
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defendandprotect
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Sun Jan-09-11 02:43 AM Response to Reply #230 |
233. Do you listen to Wakefield? |
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Demeter
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Wed Jan-05-11 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
4. Preying on the Psychologically Traumatized |
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Capitalocracy
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Wed Jan-05-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Jail. |
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LeftishBrit
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Thu Jan-06-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #10 |
112. His license in the UK probably will be gone for life |
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Capitalocracy
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Thu Jan-06-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Just be glad you're rid of him |
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Fri Jan-07-11 07:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
131. How many people have Big Pharma killed ... ??? |
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Sun Jan-09-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #131 |
240. The usual red herring. |
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Capitalocracy
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Wed Jan-05-11 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
11. Rec for visibility. What an important story. |
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Capitalocracy
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Wed Jan-05-11 08:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. After reading the article, I retract that question. |
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NutmegYankee
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Wed Jan-05-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. When in doubt on why someone did something: |
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Capitalocracy
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Wed Jan-05-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I assumed it was |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-07-11 07:56 AM Response to Reply #14 |
133. Well Big Pharma ... every last company ... has defrauded Medicare ... does that tell you anything? |
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Fri Jan-07-11 07:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
132. Presume you have the same animosity for oil industry which has spread |
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Wed Jan-05-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. Why is an old story so important? Wakefield was discredited long ago. n/t |
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Thu Jan-06-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #24 |
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Spider Jerusalem
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Wed Jan-05-11 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
16. A link to the original article: |
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Wed Jan-05-11 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
19. Irresponsible to say the least. He inspired the secretin use for children |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:00 AM Response to Reply #19 |
134. And how many Americans kids are now on Ritalin? How many ads do you see every day on TV for drugs? |
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Fri Jan-07-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #134 |
217. I don't see that your reply has any relevance to what I posted. |
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Wed Jan-05-11 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
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Wed Jan-05-11 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
21. A fraud aided and abetted by Salon and Rolling Stone Magazine |
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Wed Jan-05-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. That article has NO connection to the Wakefield research. |
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Spider Jerusalem
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Thu Jan-06-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #22 |
67. .... |
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Wed Jan-05-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Article by RFK jr shows why mixing politics and science is bad news squared. n/t |
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Wed Jan-05-11 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
23. Wakefield's work was discredited years ago. This is nothing new. n/t |
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Wed Jan-05-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. So once you know about it, nobody else needs to? |
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Wed Jan-05-11 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
25. Again? |
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Wed Jan-05-11 11:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. The news isn't the fraud, but that a big journal published a conclusive analysis of the fraud. |
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Thu Jan-06-11 01:35 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Brian Deer has made these claims for years. The fact that a |
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Spider Jerusalem
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Thu Jan-06-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
76. His account isn't disputed at all. |
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mzmolly
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Thu Jan-06-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. It has been disputed. Wakefield has responded to Deer, repeatedly. |
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Spider Jerusalem
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Thu Jan-06-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. The General Medical Council disagrees. |
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mzmolly
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Thu Jan-06-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. So now we listen to parents? |
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Thu Jan-06-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. When the parents are saying 'no, that's not my kid at all, that's all wrong' |
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mzmolly
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Thu Jan-06-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Some parents ... in retrospect, |
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Thu Jan-06-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. If you've only read "a little", then you're in no position to offer an opinion, are you? |
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mzmolly
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Thu Jan-06-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Just finished reading the BMJ. Nothing new, as I said. |
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Thu Jan-06-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I did read it, his replies don't square with the evidence. |
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mzmolly
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Thu Jan-06-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. What evidence? That Brian Deer claims once again that Wakefield falsified data? |
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Thu Jan-06-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. You ARE aware that Wakefield brought a libel suit against Brian Deer and the Times? |
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Fri Jan-07-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #90 |
200. Not sure how it pertains? Other than proving that Deer has been making |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #78 |
138. Thank you ... didn't know about that ... but lots of money involved here for vaccine companies .... |
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Wed Jan-05-11 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
30. Wakefield should be IN PRISON. Autistic kids have DIED because of his bullshit. |
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Thu Jan-06-11 12:30 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I think the cricket chorus is rehearing the "old news, old news" song-and-dance.... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 03:47 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. What is the cricket chorus? People who don't share all of your opinions? n/t |
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mzmolly
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Thu Jan-06-11 01:36 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Any evidence that anyone who chose the single vaccine at his |
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Thu Jan-06-11 04:02 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. BUT, any evidence he cared if his fraud resulted in someones death? Or injury? |
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Thu Jan-06-11 08:02 AM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Who cares if it didn't lead to deaths? It easily could have. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #46 |
139. ..and is that the same view you take when Big Pharma medications kill people? |
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mzmolly
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Thu Jan-06-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
77. How could what he said result in death or injury when he suggested three |
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Thu Jan-06-11 06:08 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Interesting question .... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 08:36 AM Response to Reply #30 |
51. Where is there any proof that children have "died" because of this study....? |
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Odin2005
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Thu Jan-06-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #51 |
66. Chelation therapy. |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #66 |
140. You're saying doctors recommended and administered chelation therapy? |
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Odin2005
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #140 |
152. Your habit of trying to spam this thread with irrelevent topics is annoying. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #152 |
178. I'm responding to posters ... same as you are doing ... are you spamming? |
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Thu Jan-06-11 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
32. Yet as with homeopathy people will still believe it, long after it is disproved time and time again. |
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Thu Jan-06-11 06:10 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. A study of 12 patients has been "disproved" ... questions about vaccines will linger, rightly so!! |
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Thu Jan-06-11 07:59 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. My understanding is that this was THE STUDY |
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Thu Jan-06-11 08:23 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. 12 people was "THE STUDY" .... ??? Neither has link of vaccines to autism been disproved .... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 08:32 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Classic fallacy... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 08:45 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Game playing doesn't change the facts ... autism has risen and increased to alarming numbers .... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #54 |
99. you don't really understand the difference between causality and correlation, |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #99 |
141. What I very well understand is game-playing ... go find someone else to play with ... |
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BakedAtAMileHigh
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Thu Jan-06-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #49 |
100. you're just shouting into the wind, I'm sorry to say |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:31 AM Response to Reply #100 |
144. Right ... suddenly, we have a corporate admiration spree going on here ... yet ... |
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Odin2005
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #144 |
157. That is a lie and an offensive smear. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #157 |
177. We have a corrupt Drug Industry ... are you denying that? |
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Fri Jan-07-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #177 |
196. Wakefield was part of the corruption, he was bashing the MMR vaccine because he had a financial... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #47 |
57. Factual error: |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:32 AM Response to Reply #57 |
145. No -- as the vaccines have been introduced into other countries, autimism cases have taken off -- |
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Odin2005
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:51 AM Response to Reply #145 |
154. Back up that BS claim with FACTS or retract. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #154 |
176. Back up that BS claim with FACTS or retract. -- |
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Sat Jan-08-11 11:00 PM Response to Reply #47 |
231. Thats kinda the point. |
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Thu Jan-06-11 08:42 AM Response to Reply #32 |
53. And, notice that you are attacking anything that is anti-vaccination .... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #53 |
63. Poor example |
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Thu Jan-06-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #63 |
73. Don't you want to see this again? |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #73 |
164. And who is suggesting that the polio vaccine be discontinued... only YOU, perhaps? |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #63 |
163. Exactly .. . . living conditions under which the Western European lived created disease .... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #53 |
72. Agreed! I'm tired of being herded by the medical industrial complex and their fear mongering. |
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Thu Jan-06-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. Or, you could find out about herd immunity |
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Thu Jan-06-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. If you had your shots, you wouldn't transmit it, would you? |
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Thu Jan-06-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Do you know what circular logic is? |
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Thu Jan-06-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Whatever you say... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #89 |
122. I wouldn't transmit it |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #122 |
168. This wouldn't be an attempt at all to demonize those calling for caution re vaccines? |
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Fri Jan-07-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #168 |
186. "caution" is the incorrect term. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #83 |
167. We need to get back to natural immunities ... which is also a huge subject |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #72 |
166. And that is why the Youth movement of the 1960's was such a threat to for profit medicine.... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
91. Wow, that's one of the most stupid examples I've ever seen. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #91 |
169. Agree -- GENOCIDE certainly shortened the life-span of the Native American -- !! |
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Thu Jan-06-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #53 |
107. Do you honestly think that ONLY people in profit-driven systems use modern medicine? |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #107 |
171. The issue isn't vaccines or no vaccines .... the issue is CAUTION .... |
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Fri Jan-07-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #171 |
193. The point I'm making |
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Thu Jan-06-11 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
33. K&R No such thing as too much exposure on this one. n/t |
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Thu Jan-06-11 04:13 AM Response to Original message |
38. TWELVE patients is a study on autism? No independent verification, eitiher? |
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Thu Jan-06-11 06:05 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Agree with you ... lots of questions on this .... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 06:40 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. So why do you still think about vaccines, if it's autism you're worried about? |
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Thu Jan-06-11 08:30 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Parents and common sense connect autism to the use of these vaccines .... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 08:40 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. You're quite the strident DUer |
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Thu Jan-06-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. The corruption in the Drug industry is part of the record ... an atrocious record .... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #55 |
62. I actually agree 100% that the drug industry is horribly corrupt. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #62 |
146. "But this one just doesn't happen to be true" ... what one? |
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Thu Jan-06-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #52 |
69. you are arguing |
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Thu Jan-06-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #69 |
93. That gave me a laugh...until I looked it up. |
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Thu Jan-06-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #93 |
105. It's not the only laugh that poster provides |
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Thu Jan-06-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. And I'm a vegetarian. nt |
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Thu Jan-06-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #48 |
64. There has been study aftyer study disproving any connection between autism and vaccines |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:39 AM Response to Reply #64 |
147. And, as long as we have Big Pharma/corporate mercenaries involved with vaccines ... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #48 |
75. Nuclear testing |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:42 AM Response to Reply #75 |
149. Of course, it's possible ... but our corporate-run government has been lying to Americans |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:41 AM Response to Reply #48 |
148. 500 years ago it was "common sense" that the Earth is the center of the Universe. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:45 AM Response to Reply #148 |
150. No -- that was the edict of the Vatican .... and male-supremacist religion .... |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:55 AM Response to Reply #150 |
159. What a load of bullcrap! |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #159 |
175. You seem to have run out of debate ... but clearly you want more for-profit health care ... |
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Fri Jan-07-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #175 |
197. I support Single Player. If you think Canada supports quackery you are mistaken. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #150 |
185. I AGREE that non-profit medical systems are best... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 08:00 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. 12 would be enough to justify more research |
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Thu Jan-06-11 08:33 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. This is a national emergency in the rise of autism ... response was study of 12 patients??!!! |
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Thu Jan-06-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #50 |
59. No, it's not |
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Thu Jan-06-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #59 |
96. No -- it's a new disease ... not new diagnosis ... though agree that many ignored cases ... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #96 |
103. Bullshit, where do you think medieval tales of "Changelings" come from? it ain't new. |
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Thu Jan-06-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #103 |
115. Wow ... are you off--!! Fairies, stolen children . . . |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #115 |
165. You don't think an increase in cancer has to do with longer lives??? |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #165 |
172. What longer lives ... ? |
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Fri Jan-07-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #172 |
190. Really? |
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Fri Jan-07-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #172 |
192. Records Disagree on life expetency and infant mortality |
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Thu Jan-06-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #103 |
125. I think jeff's point was the name for the diagnosis, and surge in labeling. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:46 AM Response to Reply #125 |
151. Autism springing up as it has in huge numbers is wholly new .... |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:57 AM Response to Reply #151 |
160. Diagnosis rate does not equal actual rate of occurance. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #160 |
173. When autism springs up in counries where it has been rare .... |
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Fri Jan-07-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #173 |
198. Because autistics went undiagnosed or misdiagnosed in most places until recently. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #151 |
204. I'm autistic |
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Thu Jan-06-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #96 |
119. The only new thing is the name |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #119 |
153. Autism was RARE .... wherever these vaccines are introduced . . . |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #153 |
161. That is false. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #161 |
174. That is your opinion .... |
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Fri Jan-07-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #174 |
199. That is because it was poorly know before the 1980s. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #199 |
209. No -- it was recognized and it was highly rare .... |
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Sat Jan-08-11 02:37 AM Response to Reply #209 |
225. *FACEPLAM* |
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Thu Jan-06-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #59 |
97. Indeed. |
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Thu Jan-06-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #97 |
106. Science is good for that.. |
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Thu Jan-06-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #38 |
58. It was a starting point |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:51 AM Response to Reply #58 |
155. My personal view is that challengers continue to understand what parents are |
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Fri Jan-07-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #155 |
194. A single-payer National Health Service is NOT corporate-medicine Big Pharma! |
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Fri Jan-07-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #194 |
211. Obama just cemented Medicare NOT being permitted to negotiate with Big Pharma .... |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #211 |
219. OK |
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Fri Jan-07-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #219 |
220. Thank you -- |
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Thu Jan-06-11 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
65. Anti-vaccine = anti-science |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:52 AM Response to Reply #65 |
156. For profit corporate medicine = corruption of medicine and science |
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Fri Jan-07-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #156 |
184. And corruption of the media. I trust anyone telling me that something isn't bad for you. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #184 |
213. Remember ... "Toxic sludge is good for you ... " ... ??? |
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Fri Jan-07-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #156 |
189. If you are a parent, here is 15 minutes of Youtube education for you, in case there's |
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Fri Jan-07-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #189 |
212. Recap the video if you want .... |
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Sat Jan-08-11 11:04 PM Response to Reply #212 |
232. I don't think you understand what "sense" means. |
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Sun Jan-09-11 02:46 AM Response to Reply #232 |
234. I don't think you understand what "sense" means. |
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Sun Jan-09-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #65 |
236. I prefer the term "pro-polio." (nt) |
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Thu Jan-06-11 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
74. Dr. Jenny McCarthy will not like this |
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Thu Jan-06-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #74 |
114. I did a news search and couldn't turn up any comment from her. |
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Sun Jan-09-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #114 |
238. She said years ago that she knew it was a questionable study. |
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Thu Jan-06-11 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
86. I like this thread |
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Thu Jan-06-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #86 |
118. This reminds me of the climate deniers that are mostly on the other side |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:55 AM Response to Reply #118 |
158. In this case we are to believe that it is corporate-medicine which is the hero...? |
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Fri Jan-07-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #158 |
191. The science doesn't lie, the corporations do |
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Sat Jan-08-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #158 |
227. If you're so worried about lies, why do you push so many baseless conspiracy theories? |
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Fri Jan-07-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #118 |
183. or creationists. n/t |
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Fri Jan-07-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #183 |
214. "A belief system is the end, not the beginning, of all wisdom" -- |
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Thu Jan-06-11 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
101. About damn time. This sounded like a crock from the get to. |
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Fri Jan-07-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #101 |
162. Why ... we know that vaccines have made our own troops seriously ill ... |
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Fri Jan-07-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #162 |
203. *YAWN* |
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Fri Jan-07-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #203 |
215. I think you mean corporate-academia ... last I looked .. !! |
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Sun Jan-09-11 08:17 AM Response to Reply #215 |
235. I like how you think... |
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Thu Jan-06-11 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
123. In other news... |
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Fri Jan-07-11 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
195. Kick... |
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Sun Jan-09-11 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
237. The Wakefield study was debunked years ago. I guess it is useful to pretend that is the only reason |
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Sun Jan-09-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #237 |
239. The study and Wakefield were debunked, but much more has been found about it. |
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