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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 02:46 AM Original message |
Obama Eyeing Internet ID for Americans |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
1. kick |
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targetpractice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 02:54 AM Response to Original message |
2. Dibs... I call "targetpractice"! |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 04:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Are you sure you want to be so cavalier with everyone else's privacy, etc.? |
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targetpractice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
89. Poor attempt at sarcasm on my part... |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
87. RV thereby eyes a new candidate for 2012. I hope someone |
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 03:08 AM Response to Original message |
3. Ah. So instead of needing a "kill switch" for the whole thing |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:44 AM Response to Reply #3 |
26. Bingo |
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molly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
44. Fascist USA has the right to assassinate any US citizen and |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:14 AM Response to Reply #44 |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #3 |
59. Like those arguing points of view against |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 03:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
169. Last week, I went to type a reply to an OP & as soon as I typed the words "cat food commission" |
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The Northerner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 03:10 AM Response to Original message |
4. I really hope this doesn't materialize! |
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ChazII (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
103. Echoing your thoughts |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #103 |
123. did you read the article this far.... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #123 |
134. What is he talking about there? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 06:32 AM Response to Reply #134 |
172. I have more of a problem with "why" than I do with "what" or "how." |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 06:20 AM Response to Reply #123 |
171. Yes. Is your point that we should swallow Locke's self-serving statement whole? |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 03:10 AM Response to Original message |
5. wonderful idea, Comrade. nt |
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Ruperto31 (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
207. Is this supposed to be anti-communist propaganda? Or just anti-Obama? |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 03:17 AM Response to Original message |
6. Ok, we are going to need some national moderators. Any volunteers? n/t |
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Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 03:18 AM Response to Original message |
7. Motherfuckers can "Internet ID" my fat, white ass. |
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andlor (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
42. +1 |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:04 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. +2 |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
114. +1 (n/t) |
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
145. +1 |
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iamtechus (868 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 03:19 AM Response to Original message |
8. Could be a really bad idea |
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trud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 05:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Does this mean that if I get in an argument with some wacko on a message board |
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LawnKorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
63. Gives Government another method to track the whereabouts of individuals through Internet usage |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Plus, if you come to my web site and display your ID, now I have it. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #65 |
119. Only If You Also Have Their Private Key. This Isn't Like a Credit Card Number |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 06:43 AM Response to Reply #119 |
174. How do YOU know? Article says, "Details about the "trusted identity" project are unusually scarce." |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #63 |
214. Not to mention |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #8 |
71. No. Only if the message board you are using requires you to use a "Trusted I.D." |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. which will be a requirement shortly. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #74 |
122. That Simply Wouldn't Work. The Internet is International |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 06:57 AM Response to Reply #122 |
176. What if I am willing to limit my board or other internet services to folks from nations |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #176 |
212. If It is Your Board, You Can Use Any Authentication You Want. That is the Point |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 06:54 AM Response to Reply #71 |
175. Please see Reply 174, |
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cutlassmama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
110. Yes it does. If this goes through I'm done with the internet forver |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 03:24 AM Response to Original message |
9. "It just gets worse and worse with these "change" guys..." Exactly. |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:45 AM Response to Reply #9 |
27. That was an episode from The Twilight Zone |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #27 |
85. No, it was *originally* a short story by Damon Knight |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #85 |
157. Chalk me up as number four. |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #157 |
164. And the Leiber story in that issue was "Coming Attraction" |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 06:59 AM Response to Reply #164 |
177. Clockwork Orange was set where? |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 04:26 AM Response to Original message |
11. Btw, K&R'd, v. impt. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 04:31 AM Response to Original message |
12. This is Just a Digital Signature. You Won't Have to Use It |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:37 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Amazing...a voice of reason here! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 07:01 AM Response to Reply #22 |
178. Self delete |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:57 AM Response to Reply #12 |
41. that isn't the case in a "soft" totalitarian state |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
153. Nothing Gets Signed Unless You Configure It |
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PoliticAverse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #12 |
50. Just like Social Security numbers are only for government use, right? n/t |
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LawnKorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:01 AM Response to Reply #12 |
64. You won't have to use it. - Really? |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #64 |
121. GPS is Built Into the Phone. You Have Control over Certificates and Keypairs in Your Browser |
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LawnKorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #121 |
139. The funny business I'm worried about is identification being required to log on to the Internet |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #139 |
146. That is Unworkable. Visitors from Overseas Would Not Have One |
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LawnKorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #146 |
152. Unique identification number issued with visa |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. Most European Countries, Canada, Mexico & Singapore are Exempt from Visa Requirements |
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LawnKorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. Okay, you've got me convinced - the Government is not interested in what people do on the Internet |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #156 |
160. The Government has Subpoena Power |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 07:47 AM Response to Reply #160 |
182. So? let them get a damned subpoena for "probable cause" then. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #182 |
213. So What Would Change Then? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 07:09 AM Response to Reply #146 |
179. Unless their countries follow Obama's lead. Or some private entity starts issuing them, as with |
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iamtechus (868 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
93. Which can be cross-referenced to my IP address etc. (nt) |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #93 |
116. If You Have a Static IP Address, That is Easy to Look Up Anyway |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 07:52 AM Response to Reply #116 |
183. you don't have to have a static IP address, though. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
96. the way they swore we wouldn't have to use our Social Security #'s for ID? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
106. You'd better hope no-one reads your income-tax forms on-line. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #106 |
118. This Might Help Prevent That Sort of Thing |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
129. Lol,sure. I wouldn't mind living in that fantasy world. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #129 |
158. What Do You Think This Will Let Them Do That They Can't Do Already? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 07:57 AM Response to Reply #158 |
184. Only if you have a static ISP ---AND a judge grants the subpoena on probable cause. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #184 |
210. They Can Track a Dynamic IP with the DHCP Logs |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 05:02 AM Response to Original message |
13. Prescription for a black market. Alternate DNS, unlisted servers. |
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OKNancy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 05:05 AM Response to Original message |
14. do people actually read the article? |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 05:27 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. The same way I don't have to have a driver's license if I don't drive. |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:39 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Obviously, you just answered OKNancy's question with a big fat "NO"... |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:42 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I think he was agreeing with you guys |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:51 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. explain to me the last time Government put a regulation into effect without |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:37 AM Response to Reply #24 |
53. A big fat NO to question #1, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #53 |
83. LOL. No, Downwinder is drawing the correction conclusion. |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. I disagree... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #86 |
99. So, you think people would be okay with this if Bush did it? |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Actually, yes, I do. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. I don't see how anyone who identifies as a progressive could be. |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Well, we shall simply |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #99 |
115. Bush certainly WANTED to... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #115 |
202. Bingo! |
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I Have A Dream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #83 |
149. Right, and it seems as though we're supposed to feel better... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #24 |
81. Did you read the article? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:00 AM Response to Reply #24 |
185. Please see Reply 171. |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #24 |
206. The government has no business even mentioning the word internet |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. Because we have learned from experience not to trust the government |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
162. That is the Problem that This is Trying to Solve |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 07:35 AM Response to Reply #162 |
181. Not really. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:52 AM Response to Reply #14 |
61. And you accepted that? |
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Agony (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #61 |
68. Seriously, right? "the tide goes in , the tide goes out" |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #61 |
75. I cannot believe that any liberal would think this is good |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #14 |
73. I did - and I didn't see anything in it that gave me warm fuzzies |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #73 |
138. They Do |
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Boudica the Lyoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #14 |
79. I think it might have something to do with |
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Boudica the Lyoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Not to mention... |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
163. I honestly don't care how the article spins this bullcrap. (nt) |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 07:14 AM Response to Reply #14 |
180. Please see Reply 171. Also, how something starts is not necessarily how it remains. See all the |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 05:42 AM Original message |
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dreamnightwind (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:12 AM Response to Original message |
19. I dunno |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:04 AM Response to Reply #19 |
186. Please see Replies 171 and 174, for starters--and everything isn't about Obama. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 05:42 AM Response to Original message |
17. TERRIBLE IDEA! |
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James48 (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:00 AM Response to Original message |
18. Whoever thought this one up needs to be fired. |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
20. An era of FASCISM is coming. And it's gonna be ugly n/t |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:37 AM Response to Original message |
21. Interesting how the story points out this will "please privacy and civil liberties groups"... |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:47 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Where is the need? n/t |
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Caretha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:35 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Exactly what I was thinking |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:47 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Where is the need for my bank's website to know it's really me? |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:50 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Are you saying that they do not know you now? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:52 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Like all sysadmins, I cringed at that question |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:00 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. If you issue a certificate, it is as good as if someone else issues one. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:04 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. If your point is that all self-managed keys would be better, I definitely agree |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:21 AM Response to Reply #39 |
188. How will this stop ID theft? Please see Reply 181, |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:46 AM Response to Reply #29 |
57. . |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:38 AM Response to Reply #29 |
190. Agree. Pls. see Reply 180. I'm guessing credit card companies are lobbying for this, bc |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:13 AM Response to Reply #21 |
187. How did the author of the article know what will please those groups? |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:39 AM Response to Original message |
23. We all must make our sacrifices in the war against kiddie porn... |
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mikehiggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #23 |
49. kiddie porn has been an issue since I worked for the Post Office |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #23 |
189. How is thinking of the children inconsistent with kiddie porn? |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
31. Considering that there are plenty of more important things |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:17 AM Response to Original message |
32. At last the change we can believe in! |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:50 AM Response to Reply #32 |
60. Those 'right wing' ideas? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
33. Wow: almost none of you understand what this is |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:44 AM Response to Reply #33 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #33 |
84. I think people understand it just fine, including the part where |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:59 AM Response to Reply #84 |
193. Good one! |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
107. What part about "heard this assurance before" is difficult to grasp? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #33 |
132. Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #132 |
192. LOL! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #33 |
191. Why do you assume people who have a view different from yours do not understand this? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #191 |
209. I don't. But I see people complaining about things that don't apply to this initiative |
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NeoGreen (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
38. With Democrats like this, who needs Republicans... (n/t) |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #38 |
117. +1 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #40 |
67. The homeless and jobless just aren't as interesting to Obama .... |
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canoeist52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
45. Wasn't this tried years ago? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:06 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Clinton had pushed for something like this |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #48 |
196. You seem to have missed the LESS SAFE part of canoeist's post, despite all cap/ |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
51. It sounds like we ARE talking about a national ID card. |
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Paper Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
52. Sounds like just one more step toward national ID. |
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Thav (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
54. 20 minutes after this gets implemented |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #54 |
94. you nailed it |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
55. Millions of people across lines of every |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
56. "Identity ecosystem"? Don't worry, we're just nice environmentalists, not jackbooted Storm Troopers |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
58. Ouch! My jaw just hit the keyboard. |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
62. Your Gubmint Moderator... |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
66. This simply makes it easier |
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NeoConsSuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
69. The move also is likely to please privacy and civil liberties groups |
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wakemewhenitsover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #69 |
92. When I read that line about pleasing privacy and civil liberties groups... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #92 |
195. Where do you suppose the author of the article got that gem? No |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #69 |
194. Agree--but, whether they're pleased or appalled. I will think for myself. |
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Cutatious (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
72. A beautiful idea...we can name the new system |
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LawnKorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
76. Soon everyone using a Bit Torrent to exchange binary files will be identified. n/t |
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Hayabusa (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #76 |
142. Exactly! |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
77. There's no chance that "a centralized database will emerge," |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #77 |
97. Oh no, NO centralized database AT ALL |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #97 |
125. Carnivore Knows Who You Are Already |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #77 |
108. In fact, we didn't even mention the war! |
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Maineman (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
78. I think it is for them, not us |
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LawnKorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Mr. Maineman, we have a question about your actions during the week of January 2nd |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #78 |
109. They know the activities of " bank robbers, |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
88. JUST AS USEFUL AS THE DMV. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #88 |
198. Far more potential for harm than the DMV. |
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kryckis (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
90. For reference, where I live |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. This is in a different country? Have the online IDs ever been abused there? |
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kryckis (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. Sweden |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. well, here in America, numbers for Social Security and Drivers Licenses |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #98 |
126. Fewer Mistakes and Less Fraud |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #90 |
197. Obvious? Really? What did the article say about a card reader? |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #197 |
211. Do You Really Think the Folks in Washington Want to Put the Credit Card Companies Out of Business??? |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
104. Is it Fascism Yet?? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
105. I'm SURE it's to help us not have to remember ALL those passwords of ours! NOT for any DATA-BASE! |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
111. Enhancing privacy with an ID!! Yes... yes that is right |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #111 |
127. +10000000000 nt |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #111 |
136. "Enhancing privacy with an ID!!" |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
112. What a progressive idea! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #112 |
199. Seems "progressive" to me, but I make a huge distinction between "progressive" and "liberal,." |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
113. how can they make me have an american internet id |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #113 |
130. The USA is Generally Better About Internet Privacy than France |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #130 |
208. how? |
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toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
120. This is, hands down, the dumbest idea ever |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
124. "No chance that a centralized database will emerge...." |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #124 |
131. It is Just a Certificate and Key. You Choose When and Where to Use It |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #131 |
137. Really? Your financial institution can't require the use as part of the TOS? |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #137 |
143. You Don't Get to be Anonymous With Your Bank Anyway |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #143 |
148. Who said anything about anonymity within the financial institution? |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
128. Horrible...just horrible. |
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subterranean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
133. Who will profit from this? |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #133 |
135. This sort of thing is already being done |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
140. Way to much government control now, Internet ID no thanks big brother. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
141. It's to be expected. Obama and the teabaggers are paid for by the same |
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
144. Whats next? Barcodes on the back of the neck or just a Chip? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #144 |
200. Self delete-dupe |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #144 |
201. Forehead or hand. |
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I Have A Dream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
147. Are you friggin' kidding me?!! |
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williesgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
150. One more potential for big brother to watch our every move. Sucks big time to me. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
151. To hell with him. n/t |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
154. Wow. He's going to end up making * look like a commie pinko. |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
159. why just Americans why not other countries |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
161. I hate to say it, but as of now I think I'd prefer Bush in the White House. (nt) |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 10:08 PM Response to Reply #161 |
165. I Can't Bear to See a Fellow Ham So Upset |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
166. More: |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-08-11 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
167. Good luck with that, Mr. President. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 02:33 AM Response to Original message |
168. Sounds like bullshit to me |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 06:06 AM Response to Reply #168 |
170. Yeah, not as though any of those stories ever turn out to be 100% right. |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 06:39 AM Response to Original message |
173. Land of the Free |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
203. How could anything possibly go wrong? |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
204. I call dibs on Rusty Shackleford and Jamastiene as usernames. |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
205. The hell with that |
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