Sheriff Dupnik: People In Media Make Money Off 'Keeping The Public Very Angry'

[kpete]

Source: Talking Points Memo

Sheriff Dupnik: People In Media Make Money Off 'Keeping The Public Very Angry'

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik continued criticizing political rhetoric on MSNBC today, saying that "millions of people in this country are upset with the tenor and the attitude of our people. I think America has become very angry."

He also had some thoughts on the media, telling host Chuck Todd: "There are people in the industry that you're in who make a pretty good living off of keeping the public very angry. And I think that there are a lot of political people that feel that it's to their advantage to keep people angry at the government."




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[Schema Thing]

1. and Chuck Todd is one of them.

that's the elephant in the room. It's not just Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh, it's Tom Brockaw and Chuck Todd et al... enablers every one.

[valerief]

20. +1000

[lark]

38. False equivalency, again

Name me one Dem who had the participants at their rallys screaming with blood lust for their opponenet - talking about actually "killing" them, saying they were un-American and deserved to be shot? Betcha (lol) can't think of one. Name me one Dem who put a guns cross hairs on their opponents in their literature and on their website. Again, bet you can't. The 2 sides are not the same, repugs want to totally overthrow, using violent methods, any elected government where the majority don't have R's behind their names and vote in lockstep with R leaders.

[proud2BlibKansan]

46. Chuck Todd is NOT on our side.

[socialist_n_TN]

51. No he's not, BUT...........

I don't think he's one of the ACTUAL violence inciters in the media. I do, however, think of him as an APOLOGIST for the inciters. And that's almost as bad.

[pscot]

107. He catapults the propaganda

for the bosses.

[Enthusiast]

99. Plus one. nt

[johnnyplankton]

135. Chuck Todd is a Douche Bag

That's the best I can do right now. But I can't stand that he thinks he's a journalist.

[riverbendviewgal]

64. I can name my brother as one them shouting shoot

Nancy Pelosi....

I stopped emailing and having anything to do with him. He finally started calling and emailing saying it is just words...I told him they are not "just words"

He has stopped the political emails but I have lost a lot of respect for him....

He is a beck, hannity (who he thought should be president), limbaugh, o'reilly follower.

I feel so disgusted. He has not written one word about Arizona...he knows better.

[CLANG]

88. "just words"?

Words are probably the most powerful propaganda tool ever invented. Words can be used for good or evil, and we are definitely talking evil this time.

[Vegas_Baby]

97. You should ask him if he thinks they are "just words" now. n/t

[Name removed]

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[Demoiselle]

104. The difference?

This poster has bullseyes, ie., target circles. Never mind at this time about the very real difference between target circles and crosshairs. (Do you find games of darts equally threatening?) Much more important, the fact that is this poster "targets" whole states, not individual Congressional Districts which are represented by one vulnerable human being. The point is very clear...the vote in these states was close, and given the closeness, Democrats might well win in them. Are you seriously suggesting that someone might be tempted to kill the entire population of one of these targeted states?

And, by the way, when I tried to go to the source you posted that you cited as a DLC website, it took me to your photobucket site....and said that "the specified media does not exist."

[Name removed]

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[truedelphi]

102. Agree with every word.

I used to attend a lot of rallies, and the signs people carried stated "IMPEACH BUSH!"

Nothing EVER about having him in someone's cross hairs.

[WatchWhatISay]

105. Democrats believe in Second Amendment RIGHTS

Republican believe in Second Amendement REMEDIES

[1American]

81. Schema Thing

Yo, missy! The HATE CHANNEL, the one for evangelical Christian evil bastards like Limbaugh and the psychopath Glen Beck, spew out anti-American hate messages 24/7-----FOX NEWS.

Republicans in general live their lives hating everybody not white. It's in their genes. They reproduce to hate.

[somone]

2. It's a RW tradition

Rush Limbaugh's $44 million Palm Beach compound

[bdamomma]

61. exactly.

they are playing us all.

[Cognitive_Resonance]

3. He's saying the right things. nt

[BanTheGOP]

59. Yes...and allows Judy Clarke to use his statement legally in court

This will allow the defense team to legally inject Limbaugh, Beck, and Palin into the court case and perhaps create a situation where they will have to testify, perhaps even be part of the indictment. The sheriff did a WONDERFUL thing, and hopefully this will quell the hate as we repress the right and their hatred in court.

[freshwest]

122. I hope to see the day...

[gratuitous]

4. Let me guess

Todd either ignored what Dupnik said, or looked like a dog watching a card trick.

[CTyankee]

67. I thought Todd was strangely disconnected today. Just like he was "going thru the numbers."

MEchanical, no real excitement. AND he wasn't smiling. Usually, he is smiling a few times during his reports. Of course, this wasn't an ordinary day for the media, but in his case I felt he was weighted down. I hope so. He needs to feel some remorse for being such a smartass...

[molly77]

71. Maybe Chuck Todd is aware of the damage he is doing

and wants to go straight.

[Rainbow Wave]

129. That video

of him interviewing Giffords back when she got death threats because of her vote on the health care bill was all over the place over the weekend. It made him look like an ignorant fool.

[pipoman]

5. If he is in any way involved in this investigation

he should shut his stupid mouth. His opinion is completely irrelevant and could hinder the prosecution of this wackjob. Law enforcement has a very, very specific function and it isn't politicizing or postulating...it does far more harm than good.

[avaistheone1]

8. There are some things that need to be said regardless of what one's position is.

I think this is one of those times.

I think Sheriff Dupnik is correct and is courageous. Dupnik is showing moral leadership in this tragedy imo.

[pipoman]

85. I don't disagree with him

law enforcement 101 includes keeping your mouth shut about your opinion. Law enforcement's role in press conferences about a specific case is vague facts only. If he were the sheriff 4 counties over I would applaud him.

[Rainbow Wave]

13. His job is much more difficult because of this rhetoric.

Law enforcement is a political function, so he's not politicizing anything. And because the wackjobs get off on that rhetoric, the job of law enforcement becomes more difficult. Today we have the news of an incendiary device addressed to Janet Napolitano. What will it be tomorrow? It's appropriate and responsible for a law enforcement official to be concerned about things that make our communities less safe.

Moreover, there is nothing in what he said that could possibly hinder Loughner's prosecution. I think you're grasping at straws there.

[CatWoman]

18. and right on cue

Henny Penny pops up

http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi1715339289/

[CTyankee]

68. Yep!

[Butch350]

25. Just as "irrelevant " as yours.

Have a nice day.

[LanternWaste]

26. I think you conflate politicizing with observation.

I think you conflate politicizing with observation. :shrug:

[pipoman]

86. His observations would be fine if he was not the sheriff

of the involved jurisdiction.

[dmkinsey]

116. Reasonable doubt?

The shooter was cought red-handed, tackled while holding the smoking gun. A good lawyer may convince a jury that he's insane but he'll never walk, regardless of what the Sheriff says.

[Raschel]

117. Isn't it the sheriff's job to see to law and order? He's trying to keep law and order in his town

and letting Pontius Palin, the tpartiers and all of the other loose lipped gun slingers that he won't be toleratin' it.

[haele]

29. I get the feeling he was trying to shine a light on the dog whistles

and de-legitimize the arguments the radical RW mouthpieces and movements are trying to put up as a wall between them and their "Lone Wolfers".

It's a way of alerting the handlers of those who can be goaded into "copy cat" shootings that they have to take responsibility and are on the radar if this happens again.

If he goes "can't comment, I dunno", then Congressman Grijalva and other Dems (locally - Bob Filner, who's already been physically attacked during the election by his Tea-Party backed apponent) might be next because the RW will take it as a green-light to start hunting as many of their targets while the investigation is "ongoing".

I know some 'Zonies of the RW/Minuteman/Tea-partier ilk, and we have quite a bit of that mentality in North and East County San Diego.
Give them any excuse to feel like their pet cause is on the move, and they've already got a hit list set up that they'll take out as soon as their cowardly, hateful asses think they've got enough leeway to have a few celebratory beers and clear out for the hills in some sort of Mad Max fantasy before the law figures out who's killed a hundred or so people and shows up on their doorstep.

These assholes are drooling for Helter-Skelter. And as long as the bought media and law enforcement pussy-foot around letting hate-speech fly under the radar instead of calling it what it is, they think they're pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.

Haele

[TheCowsCameHome]

37. Really? I find him quite refreshing.

You, on the other hand..........

[SaveAmerica]

39. If he messed up this 1 investigation but saved many other lives, I'll take it

[pipoman]

87. I doubt the victims would share your opinion.

[frylock]

118. in your opinion as an attorney, what specifically did he say that you think..

will jeopardize the case? i anxiously await your reply.

[BlueMTexpat]

45. Where is your own outrage about the RW rhetoric?

Dupnik is saying these things because the M$M are not. In fact, if anything, they're putting the false equivalency spin on everything. He's not "politicizing or postulating" - merely speaking truth.
His own job is made more difficult because of the RW encouraging - and apparently giving legitimacy to - horrific actions like this on a systematized national scale.

Are you a lawyer - that you know so much about what could "hinder the prosecution" in a case like this? If not, why don't you quit your own postulating and cite the specific statutes/regulations that Sheriff Dupnik is "violating" by speaking truth?

[pipoman]

89. I worked as a defense investigator for 20 years

The lawyers who are going to defend this idiot are first rate. I have seen second rate lawyers take statements made by police to the trial and create doubt with them. I have seen lawyers call law enforcement officers as witnesses for the defense based on off base comments made to the press or others. If he were not in the same jurisdiction there would be no problem with his comments...he is involved. Now is the time for him to shut up.

[sabrina 1]

139. Wrong, now is the time more than ever before for him to speak out

He did NOT identify any group or individual. It's odd that though, that everyone assumes he meant the Right. Even as they try to spin it all with their ridiculous claims that 'both sides do it'.

I heard what he said and applauded him for it along with every other rational person, sick to death of the insane, hateful, bigoted rantings that are on the air 24/7 in this country.

Too bad no one like him spoke out about the hateful rhetoric in Rwanda before it was too late. Or in Germany when it was still possible to express outrage, instead of needlessly worrying about political correctness.

There is no way what this Sheriff said could even remotely influence this case. He is way too smart to name names, which he did not do. He spoke about a climate of hate that is permeating the airwaves in this country and this is not the first horrific incident directly or indirectly resulting from it.

What he said was the equivalent of describing the physical location of the crime scene. He merely described the destructive climate that results in so many of these tragedies. And I'd be willing to bet that try as they may, no lawyer for the defense will be able to use what he said to get an acquittal. Since I am against the death penalty, I hope they can use the mental state of the suspect and get a life sentence instead and if anything the Sheriff says contributes to that outcome, that would be fine with me.

[jaysunb]

48. It's a federal case...

he can and should say whatever he thinks. And another thing, sane people need to stop shrinking away from the idiots that are bent on destruction. They shout loud and long no matter what their station in life, be it the Supreme Court or Sheriff Joe.
Time to do some shouting of our own.

[pipoman]

90. There will very likely be state charges brought too

unless he diminishes the possibility of a successful prosecution.

[Dappleganger]

52. So, he is stupid and irrelevant?

An unsurprising post.

[CTyankee]

69. You've noticed...

[SemperEadem]

53. he should absolutely keep speaking truth to power

his opinion on how the public at large has been behaving for the past 8 years is quite relevant and has nothing to do with prosecuting Loughner on attempted murder and murder charges. The DA is the one who will be prosecuting the case, not the Sheriff, and they aren't making statements to the press about anything.

Him expressing his opinion has done no harm to anything except the hyper-sensitive sensibilities of lightweights who don't like truth being spoken to them.

[pipoman]

92. In every criminal case the DA prosecutes based on the testimony of law enforcement

his comments will become the issue during his testimony. Defense could call him as a witness based on his opinions expressed in this case. Will it destroy any aspect of this prosecution? I don't know and neither does he..I would bet the prosecutors are begging him to be quiet.

[Ikonoklast]

58. Funny how it's always Democrats that need to shut up

and "show some restraint".


I've seen that same talking point coming out of the DU Gungeonneers on various threads, all on message, all on point.


Funny dat.

[jwirr]

63. As long as he does not use names he is merely stating a fact about

the atmosphere in our nation at the time. That will not change the court proceedings. They usually don't rely on opinions and there are plenty of witnesses and facts to convict this man.

[sabrina 1]

65. Stupid mouth? One of the few 'mouths' that is anything but

stupid in all of this. I hope he keeps talking and I hope others join him.

Even a few Republicans are now coming to the conclusion that the really STUPID MOUTHS, like Palin, Limbaugh, O'Reilly and the whole Fox network of morons, need to be distanced from the party.

Odd that anyone would call a man who certainly knows the law enforcement business better than any of us I'm sure, a 'stupid mouth'. Just what was it that he said that was 'stupid' btw? And knowing his field, I'm sure he's well aware of what he can and cannot say legally and needs no advice from any of us.

[ronnie624]

136. I heard him say today,

he had been in law enforcement for more than 50 years.

"Stupid mouth" indeed.

[AlbertCat]

66. His opinion is completely irrelevant and could hinder the prosecution of this wackjob.

Yeah! Because there's like a lot of doubt as to whether "the wackjob" did the crime and he'll never tell why!

:sarcasm: (do I need it?)


You should shut your stupid mouth too, maybe.

[pipoman]

93. You speak as if there is only one crime committed

there are many. Likely both state and federal. His opinion comments absolutely could impair prosecution of some of those charges.

[Xithras]

91. Dupnik is an elected public official, and has a right to speak his mind.

He's not some lowly staffer that can be squelched by the higher-up's. As an elected official, he answers to the voters.

And you might want to remember that the primary job of law enforcement isn't to act as an aid to prosecutors, but to prevent crime from occurring in the first place. If this sheriff feels that the current political climate is raising the risk of future criminal activity, then he is 100% within his rights, and acting within the bounds of his job, to speak out against it.

[pipoman]

95. Nobody said he doesn't have the right

he can say anything he wishes. Too often these political leos play to the cameras and the voters to the detriment of their own cases.

[pscot]

108. The prosecution will be based on eye witness accounts

Six people murdered in front of many witnesses. It's hard to see how anything the sheriff says could prejudice this one.

[Rainbow Wave]

143. Now I know where you got this!

Drudge Report is claiming that Dupnik blamed Rush Limbaugh for the attack:

Actually, Dupnik asserted that Limbaugh “attacks people, angers them against government, angers them against elected officials,” but never blamed Limbaugh. Now Limbaugh is responding, saying, “This sheriff out there, Sheriff Dupnik, you know, this guy, he's gotta be very careful. If I were him I wouldn't say another word about this….But the sheriff is out saying that everybody but the kid's responsible for this.” Limbaugh went on to say that “He has taken the occasion of this, a law enforcement officer, to politicize it, to advance his own political agenda, which he claims he doesn't even have.” Limbaugh then implied that the Sheriff may be botching the investigation of the case in order to cover his own failure to stop the shooting.

[xchrom]

6. recommend

[jkappy]

7. Dupnik is so incredibly courageous---and so lucid

Is he the next target of the radical right in Az? His is a rare voice considering its also a powerful one and one so central to this assassination.

[eagertolearn]

33. I agree. More people need to speak about about this. He is brave!

[molly77]

72. Dupnik reminds me of Rocky Anderson, mayor of Salt Lake City

during the bush regime. He was unafraid. Rankles the wingers.

[RamboLiberal]

9. I like this guy - keep telling them Sheriff Dupnik K&R

[Bonhomme Richard]

10. One thing conservatives absolutely hate are people in authority..

speaking the truth.

[kestrel91316]

11. I love a liberal who tells it like it is.

[sarge43]

12. Sheriff Dupnik and other men and women like him

have to clean up after the angry, irrational creatures that leave broken bodies and lives behind them -- investigate, notify the families, endure the Monday morning quarterbacking of their actions, etc. Damn right he's pissed and he has every right to be. He's on the firing line. Who better to call it?

[Historic NY]

121. I support the sheriff 100% its about time a high law enforcement authority spoke out..

in 2010 we have had many law enforcement killed by RW extremists all With a grudge against government and picking on the most visible presence the local cop.

[wordpix]

125. +1000 and we had all better start speaking out!

[AngryOldDem]

14. Somebody had to say it.

Bravo to Sheriff Dupnik.

[LynneSin]

15. I hope Gabby Giffords can return to office but if she can't I want this guy to run

He tells it like it is.

[wordpix]

126. was thinking much the same but hoping he'd run for Kyl's seat: article

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/jon-kyl/2011/01/


Kyl: Arizona Sheriff's Remarks Inappropriate

Brian Beutler | January 9, 2011, 11:50AM

Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ)

In a Sunday morning appearance on Face the Nation, Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-AZ) took issue with Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, who criticized Arizona hours after the Giffords shooting.

"I didn't really think that that had any part in a law enforcement briefing," Kyl said.

In a candid moment at a press conference on Saturday, Dupnik said his state had become ground zero for the sort of political rhetoric that foments violence.

Read more »

[truth2power]

16. Good for Dupnik. He's one of the few speaking out and not engaging

in some false equivalence rhetoric.

If he's not careful, though, he's liable to end up on some bagger's hit list. He'd better watch his back.

[sarge43]

19. Baggers are bullies and cowards.

They'll go after unarmed women, nine year olds, old people, but they don't have the guts to take on someone who can shoot back.

[truth2power]

44. You're probably right. In any case, I hope so. n/t

[sarge43]

54. From your monitor n/t

[Tumbulu]

17. Thanks for posting this kpete and thanks

Sheriff Dupnik for speaking the truth.

[valerief]

21. I LOVE this guy!!!! Truth is so refreshing. nt

[barbtries]

22. i'm really glad

that he's not shutting up on this issue.

[DemoTex]

23. "Dupnik" : new noun meaning a truth that all know, but many - predictably - deny.

Verb form: Dupniked, as in "looks like Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity have been totally dupniked."

[Turborama]

24. He also said...

"I think the tone of rhetoric that's occurred in this country over the past couple of years affects trouble personalities," he told TODAY.

Quote used in this article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40997616/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

We wait and see what turns up on his hard drives...

[florida08]

27. absolutely

and just because he's a law enforcement representative doesn't mean he can't attest to what he has observed in his line of duty. Congresswoman Giffords has been harrassed and her office broken into yet the hot rhetoric continued. If this isn't the time for discussion about what's happening then when?

How many have to die before we can speak out against intimidation? I applaud the sheriff for his courage. He's getting threats himself. It's his time to inform the public about what he sees in his own state. We can decide for ourselves if he's right or not. I haven't see in the Constitution where the right to excercise the freedom of speech is based on your occupation.

[TygrBright]

28. Whoa, Dude! Truth to power?!?!

Watch yer back, Sheriff.

Gonna have a well-endowed challenger in the next election, count on it.

But thank you. HEARTFELT thank you!

amazedly,
Bright

[Altoid_Cyclist]

30. For any FB users,

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik is a HERO link:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pima-County-Sheriff-Clarence-Dupnik-is-a-HERO/192178970796609?v=wall

[nalnn]

31. Ok, Ill ask it for the sake of it

Are the statements by the sheriff an attempt to protect himself and his agency from possible finger pointing regarding this event?

Yes, the LEOs are now responsible for cleaning up the mess made by this mad and hateful "conscience" dreamer with a gun he should not have had, but what about prevention? Where I live, there is never an event hosting or hosted by a national (or even state for that matter) politician that is not protected by the local police or sheriff's office. Not by the security staff at the venue.

There appear to have been ample opportunities by many different agencies in the area to have removed Jared Loughner from society. His friends should have helped him. Failing that, they should have spoken out and had an intervention. The professor who had to call 911 on him could have followed up. The community college could have made available the resources that many community colleges have for helping the mentally ill e.g. Counseling, therapy, referrals. The LEOs who responded to the 911 call form the community college. Could they not have taken him to a hospital once they heard his ramblings and taken the statements of those who were present?

What about us? He was posting his anger on the internet for all the world to see. Surely someone should have spoken out had they known who he was. Of course, the internet is a conduit through which many are able to express themselves both positively and sometimes not so positively. It could be said, I suppose, that the internet itself is to blame for allowing and promoting wild out of touch philosophies to appear and grow as those of the grammar-as-mind-control fellow and his self-proclaimed 1 billion adherents.

Many many points of failure in this mechanism it seems. Not just media and right wing induced hate-mongering methinks.

Please, PLEASE take the above as just some random thoughts posted on the intarwebz...

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

34. Maybe.. maybe not... but if he's acutally get these statements OUT...

MORE POWER TO HIM!

[SharonAnn]

56. Please, it's not so easy to "remove (a person) from society.."

It's really not.

He's considered an adult. Adults cannot be committed for mental reasons just because a friend or family member "is concerned".

Perhaps the laws need to be changed, but right now it's very difficult to commit an adult for mental reasons against their will.

[nalnn]

62. No, it's not easy.

It's can be quite difficult to institutionalize a person in some contexts. Particularly on mental health grounds. It is however quite easy, even in AZ, to put people in other institutions.

And while I do admit to being a bit random in my above post, I think my prevention thesis still stands. It is my belief that, given the craziness that exists in the world today, All members of Congress should have a praetorian of some sort.

[LanternWaste]

70. what is the precise and relevant evidence...

"I think my prevention thesis still stands..."

Other than post-hoc-ergo-prompter-hoc, what is the precise and relevant evidence that leads you to the conclusion of your thesis?

[nalnn]

75. You misunderstand.

I do not suggest that the lack of adequate protection caused this atrocity, only that adequate protection could have prevented it. There can be no single solution to the problem of political assassinations nor can there be one for the protection of society from the criminally insane. Only general precautions to specific threats can be taken because of the makeup of the constituency.

This thread is not the place for this argument I think. Perhaps another time? My OP was just a bit of tilting at the windmills...trying to come to grips with what my country is becoming sadly.

[LanternWaste]

114. I believe you misspeak...

I think it's more a case of someone misspeaking rather than someone misunderstanding.

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[dazzlerazzle]

32. Sheriff Dupnik

Apparently those people who are critical of Sheriff Dupnik politicizing the tragedy have no problem with Sheriff Arpaio going political anytime a microphone is in front of him.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

35. Not quite sure how these 'generalities' apply specifically to this tragedy.

[shellgame26]

36. He is very courageous

to say what he said knowing the backlash he will inevitably face. I'm sure he's thinking what a lot of sane Arizonians have been thinking all along. That their state is out of control and taken over by lunatics.

[blueamy66]

40. I really like this guy.

Who woulda thought?

[Jankyn]

41. OK, this has really got me thinking...

...about my part in making the political dialogue so violent.

Yes, I know that there is no direct equivalence between the sort of language used on the center (which is the Democratic Party) and the right (Republicans) and far-right (Tea Party/Christianists).

But I do need to watch how I use language to describe people who disagree with me. It's pretty counterproductive to keep the fires going, when the end result is that we all get burned.

[socialist_n_TN]

57. Yep. Me too..............

I probably shouldn't say anything that will make some RW nutjob (oh SHOOT, there I go again) crazy enough to shoot me. Yep. No more Dem candidate signs in the yard, no more bumper stickers, no more speaking out against injustice. Heck, I might as well not even vote. I mean they'll know who I vote FOR, so maybe I shouldn't vote at all. Unless I want to vote for a Teabagger. Maybe that'll be OK. Of course, what if it's the WRONG Teabagger??? I guess I'll just shut up and sit in my bedroom, hiding in my closet.

On second thought, NOT!

[lobodons]

42. As long as Americans hate each other the Terrorists have won

The Terrorists have not only been able to nearly bankrupt our coffers, they have successfully turned us on each other. At this time the Terrorists have won.

[stray cat]

43. This sheriff is a smart guy and a leader

[indimuse]

47. ding ding ding! yes...they do!

knr!

[liberal N proud]

49. This Sheriff isn't missing anything here

He has been pointing to hate all along.

[BumRushDaShow]

50. K&R!!!

:applause:

[YvonneCa]

55. He is absolutely correct. I am glad to finally see...

...citizens standing up against this hate speech.

[SemperEadem]

60. even without this horrific event happening

Dupnik knows first hand what happens when unhinged people get a destructive idea in their heads. I'm sure he's dealt with all levels of this mess too many times in the past.

Folks sure don't call the janitor when someone suited up like they're pretending to be part of an episode of Call of Duty or Modern Warfare shows up at a public event and starts spraying the crowd with bullets: they call Dupnik and other law enforcement agencies (government employees, btw) to come save them and put the "monster", the "bad guy" in jail.

I would think that he of all folks is in a position to be able to speak knowledgeably about the truth of the aftermath of one of these events going down like what happened on Saturday. And he is right: this kind of rhetoric is strong enough to push an unhinged person with delusions of grandeur to do unspeakable, violent acts upon women, children and the elderly--because this is just the latest in a long string of them--and their justification is "I'm mad at government". Well, move somewhere else, muthafucka! Damn! Only a coward preys upon those weaker than themselves. I see he didn't go storm an military installation... effin coward.

[Kali]

83. that crazy shawna something or other that raided a house and killed

a father and daughter - a offshoot of the already stupid minuteman nuts down here on the border? His county. Yes he deals with the shit ALL the time.

[Hamlette]

73. this actually does happen on our side. Think Olbermann

I started watching him because I was so pissed about W

[ZombieHorde]

74. Surprising, and awesome. nt

[irislake]

76. The joke in Canada goes

When a Canadian gets mad he says, "I'm gonna write me a letter!" An America says, "Git me mah gun!"

[tjwash]

77. Sometimes I think Ted Turner really fucked up bad by inventing 24 hour news-for-profit

nt

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[howaboutme]

128. His mistake was selling it

I don't trust any of these TV networks to give the USA public anything but propaganda.

[1American]

78. Sherrif Dupnik (what a name!)

HE IS REFERRING TO FOX NEWS, NOT MSNBC...........BECK......PALIN......LIMBAUGH.....AND A WHOLE SLEW OF BLOND NUTJOBS.

[young_at_heart]

84. Have you seen the Megyn Kelly interview photo?

Huffington Post has a photo of her and the sheriff. The look of incredulity on her face is downright sickening --- (in her words, he's "injecting speculative opinion" about the case). She is truly shameless!

[Raster]

80. Peace, harmony, cooperation and compromise. These are not concepts that are profitable.

However, war, confrontation and hostility are quite profitable... to certain persons.

Sheriff Dupnik is right on the money. And unfortunately, there are MANY PERSONS in the United States government that deliberately encourage disharmony because they use it to their best advantages. We are being played... from many sides.

[freshwest]

124. Thanks

[Quantess]

131. So true!

[Quantess]

132. So true!

[grahamhgreen]

82. Exactly.

[Enthusiast]

98. K&R It sure looks that way. nt

[defendandprotect]

100. Smart Man ...!! You want a Revolution? Turn off the TV's .... !!!

That would be one hell of a beginning for any Revolution!!

Say, "Screw You!" to the Orwellian Screen --




:nuke:

[Kingofalldems]

101. He's trying to censor Fox news!!!

That's what freeper boy would say.

[Vidar]

103. Amen to that!

[DailyGrind51]

106. This Sheriff knows what he is talking about, he deals with the consequences of these nuts!

[Lost-in-FL]

109. BAM!!! Tell it like it is! nt

[AsahinaKimi]

110. K&R

Time to throw this back in the Right Wing's face.

[indimuse]

111. and MANY other sinister thingz...

it's worse than you think!

[russspeakeasy]

112. Thanks Sheriff...

[BanTheGOP]

113. YES!! Now we have LAW ENFORCEMENT on our side!

I am in the process of creating a new column about this very courageous sheriff. His statements will definitely be used in Laughner's trial, which should be happening in the THICK of next year's presidential election system. We will now be able to fully highlight the hate and vitriol that is fully being perpetuated on the right, and use this against the right wing candidates. Beautiful!!

[AnnieBW]

115. He was just on Keith

Saying the same thing. Great guy, and he's finally saying what needs to be said.

[Faryn Balyncd]

119. K&R...Stirring up anger makes money for many in the media, and apparently is good for fundraising as

...well.


"Make them angry and stir up hostilities. The shriller you are, the easier it is to raise funds. That's the nature of the beast."

- - Terry Dolan, co-founder and chairman of the National Conservative Political Action Committee

[Swagman]

120. This sheriff is very insightful and says it the right way

[patrice]

123. Thank! You! Clarence! Please run for a higher office!!! nt

[howaboutme]

127. This Sheriff is quite astute

I've also been thinking that same thing for years. The big corporate media pays pundits gobs of money to keep the sheeple divided while an exclusive club of cronies on Wall St. and in the boardrooms and in government gets carte blanche immunity to plunder both our nation and main street. We common folk are kept busy verbally sparring over what pundit R or pundit L said, while the PTB are busy taking the spoils.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q

[left on green only]

130. The economics of 'Keeping The Public Very Angry'

Speaking using incite-full tones, exploiting the public's anger, pumping up the anxiety inherent in the masses and pandering to a sick society's natural sense of paranoia are all very big money making endeavors that will bring people coming back for more; either because they crave it, or else because they are hoping to find a panacea at the end that will enable them to experience peace. The more the media is able to show that the public keeps coming back to them for more (ratings), the more money they can charge their advertisers for including their ads in as a part of their programming.


Hey, isn't making money the bottom line of what capitalism is all about? Do you think I am being cynical? This idea is by no means original. The seeds for it were planted in my mind a long time ago from listening to the Sunday morning talk shows of Bill Soakel and Larry Benski on Pacifica Radio, KPFA in Berkeley, CA.


None of us like to feel as though our minds are being manipulated, and especially so if it is being done by the capital markets on wall street, but Sheriff Dupnik appears to have a wisdom in these matters that far exceeds even most progressives on this planet.

Edited by author to include the words "at the end" in the first paragraph.

[Jefferson23]

133. That's it in a nutshell and Dupnik has credibility which in turn makes

Todd and the other hacks defensive. The MSM loves a salacious fight, less concern on merits...as a group they
share a taboid approach to reporting mixed in with their corporate whoring.

[Skittles]

134. I LOVES ME SOME SHERIFF DUPNIK

PEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO HIM AND HE TELLS IT LIKE IT IS

[HCE SuiGeneris]

137. This can't be recommended enough.

It's the truth.

[delightfulstar]

138. K&R, Sheriff Dupnik is absolutely right here. n/t

[tpsbmam]

140. He was on Democracy Now yesterday. I just sat saying "I love this man, I love this man"

He was very sincere and very angry. He's gotten lots of negative feedback from conservatives. He's sticking his neck out here and I appreciate his honesty and courage.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[xchrom]

142. +1