Falklands warship turned away by Brazil

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Telegraph

Falklands warship turned away by Brazil
Robin Yapp, The Daily Telegraph
January 10, 2011 3:29 PM

The Royal Navy's Falkland Islands protection ship has been turned away from port in Rio de Janeiro in a sign that Brazil's new government could back Argentine claims to the islands.

Despite continuing tensions with Argentina over the Falklands, the Navy has until now enjoyed cordial relations with its Brazilian equivalent.

But last week, within days of the former Left-wing guerrilla Dilma Rousseff succeeding Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva as Brazil's president, HMS Clyde was refused permission to stop in Rio.

Miss Rousseff is due to visit Argentina at the end of this month in her first international trip, with closer trade relations due to be discussed.



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[Ian David]

1. Oh, not this shit again. Better go stock-up on beef right now. n/t

[ProgressiveProfessor]

2. Given the decline in UK seapower, it would be a lot bloodier for Argentina this time around

Their ports and homeland would not be spared.

[conspirator]

3. The best way for Argentina to get the Falklands back is to start enriching uranium

I don't think China would have Hong-Kong back if they didn't have nukes

[ProgressiveProfessor]

4. Disagree about Hong Kong

You may be right about the Falklands.

Given the disputes about whose claim is better, the residents should get to choose and their choice is clear.

[Posteritatis]

5. Pretty sure the residents have thoroughly chosen. (nt)

[conspirator]

8. The residents are obviously descendant of white British

Since I am sure mass immigration of native south Americans to the island is not allowed.
So that argument is not valid.

[CJvR]

11. LOL!

The place is so foul that you would have to pay most people to move there.

There are plenty of Chileans there, who have their own reasons for loathing Argentina.

[CJvR]

7. Yeah sure...

...lets not forget about a space program to deliver half way across the planet. If the Argies had that much wealth lying about I doubt they would be so hung up over the Falklands. Still I suspect the RN and RAF would be delighted, no doubt Brazil and Chile less so.

Besides actually getting the islands would probably be the worst thing an Argentinian government could do, after that what are they going to blames their failures on?

Chinese nukes wouldn't have mattered if Hong kong had been viable without the New Territories, they were leased for 99y.

[conspirator]

12. You are right. Argentina is broke but the UK is heading the same way

since the North Sea oil is history now.

[CJvR]

14. Perhaps...

...but the UK have the weaponry, unlike Argentina, so they don't need a massive costly lengthy buildup.

[Nye Bevan]

24. Hong Kong was on a lease. The lease ran out (nt)

[CJvR]

26. Only partially.

HongKong itself wasn't a lease, the New Territories outside the original area were. However without those lands HongKong was not viable anymore.

[Nye Bevan]

28. True. I oversimplified (nt)

[Ghost Dog]

6. The Falklands/Malvinas issue is a golden opportunity to seek a joint sovereignty

arrangement that could work to the mutual benefit of both UK and Argentina in the region, whether or not exploitable mineral resource deposits are found.

Spain discovered and claimed the archipielago first, and Argentina is Spain's heir. The seabed is part of Argentina's continental shelf. The UK-governed population has been living and multiplying there for several generations now. UK financial, commercial and industrial prowess could bring strong economic stimulus (but also, it is to be hoped, environmental protection) to the archipielago and to mainland Argentina, where much of the resultant development and dynamized labor force would necessarily reside. Profits could be re-invested in the region as well as satisfying the speculators and fattening the financiers in the City of London.

[CJvR]

10. Joint sovereignty?

Actually the French were first.
Spain took over the French claim but by then the British had arrived, IIRC.
For several years the two outposts were ignorant of eachother but once discovered the Spanish removed the British at gunpoint, an issue the British threatened war over resulting in the restoration of the British outpost by Spain.
The Britsh later abandoned the outpost, although not the claim on the Islands. That might have been the end of the matter if the Spanish outpost had remained, but it to was abandoned during the breakup of the Spanish colonial empire.
It was during the farsical Argentinian attempts to reestablish some sort of outpost on the Falklands that the British had enough of the anarchy along an important shipping lane and moved in decisively.

Joint sovereignty sounds like something you smoke.

It is rather amusing that before the war the British was desperatly trying to give the islands away.

[Nye Bevan]

23. Sure. If that's what the inhabitants want.

Of course we wouldn't want to go against their wishes to fatten a few financiers.

[davepc]

9. More dick waving over an island that has more sheep then people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Clyde_%28P257%29

[CJvR]

13. Hardly surprising.

Since the military and political options are closed to Argentina the only thing that remains is the economical option. Making the islands as unprofitable as possible for the British to hold. Unfortunately if the UK were to strike recoverable quantities of oil then the islands will go from a sinkhole to a cash machine giving the Argentinian Imperial ambitions no outlet.

[ikri]

16. Oil

Oil has been found around the Falklands but it is said to be economically non-viable to do much about it. At least at the moment that is, if the price of crude oil passes some unspecified future limit then I'm absolutely sure that there will be a flood of companies to drill there.

There's apparently gold & diamonds in the area too.

[social_critic]

21. if the British were to discover a hidden alien base

That would be as likely as the British finding commercial oil in the Malvinas aka Falklands. Argentina has no imperial ambitions. If it did, it would invade and claim the Orkneys and portions of Western Wales. Don't forget it was the British who came thousands of miles away from their homeland to force Argentinian settlers out and take over the islands.

[CJvR]

22. You hope...

It would be amusing if they did strike oil or some other valuable in huge quantities just to annoy Argentina.

It is hardly necessary to go half way around the planet to be imperialists. You can be imperialistic in the comfort of your own back yard if you have a convenient excuse. The most important issue is to keep recruiting new generations by brainwashing children with the story of the theft of the islands. Considering the chaos and anarchy on the islands prior the the British intervention I think it is questionable if it could be considered a settlement, but even if it was so what? It was two centuries ago and moving borders by war ot threat of war was the norm.

[sofa king]

30. The strategic value of the islands is worth every drop of oil that passes nearby.

...Which is considerable. The Falklands fall into the ultra-important category of places that can potentially control a world shipping choke point, just like Gibraltar, Mauritius, Sri Lanka, Singapore, East Timor, and Taiwan.

An unusually high http://www.jstor.org/pss/3123118">proportion of naval military history (and diplomatic history) is written around those places, even though they may otherwise be insignificant, and it's no coincidence that the finest practitioners of naval strategy, the British, wrested control of those areas from those who more rightfully should own them.

As South America sees itself on its way to eclipsing North America as the economic and political power of the hemisphere, gaining control of the Malvinas and proving it can hold onto them is the singlemost important way they can assume the role of predominant naval power in the region.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

15. Argentina is taking over New Zealand, too?

If only sheep had the right to vote.

:hi:

[social_critic]

18. No

Argentina has a reasonable claim over the Falklands Malvinas. It doesn't have one, nor does it try to make one, over New Zealand. I think a case can be made for Ireland to have a claim over Northern Ireland, or for Palestinians to claim Israel. But you know how it is, the powerful don't respect rights very well.

[CJvR]

19. Reasonable perhaps.

But the UK claim is much much better, and everyone knows it.

[Agent William]

29. Ahhhh, I'm glad to have you here, CJvR

I came into this thread expecting the typical British bashing and demands to surrender the Falklands and Ulster. You're saying what I would have said, and I will let everyone here know that reality and law is on our side.

:hi:

[Kurska]

20. All those "Claims" ignore one vital part of the equation

The people actually living in those areas and their wishes. Falkland Islanders don't want to be part of Argentina and as far as I am concerned the Argentinians can go pound sand.

[truebrit71]

31. x2

..

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

17. This is SOP for Brazil since 1982 -- when the RW coup government was still in.

Nothing to do with the new government.

[JCMach1]

25. Anyone else see the movie, Fuc*lands?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuckland

Might be a good solution!

:sarcasm:

[CJvR]

27. Based on the assumption...

...that nationality runs in the genes. Unless you stick around and raise the kids to be properly brainwashed Argie imperialists they will loath and despise Argentina just as passionately as the average Falklander today. It will probably be a long time until Argentina gets over Thatcher having them bent over the kitchen table.

[Odin2005]

32. Good God, the islanders are British and want to remain British. This shit is stupid dick-waving.