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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 08:41 PM Original message |
Zimbabwe mulls treason charges against former opposition politicians named in WikiLeaks cables |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. FYI, The Guardian puplished the contents of the cables beford Wikileaks did. |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. did the Guardian publish the cables in question |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The one in which possible treason charges are based? |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. You're suggesting the Guardian has some culpability as well? |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I wasn't suggesting anything. I was aprising you of the facts. |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I didn't make any accusations against the Guardian |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Then why did you use the word "culpability"? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. No one has culpability except those involved. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. When you find yourself on the same side as Robert Mugabe, |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:33 AM Response to Reply #11 |
28. When you find yourself supporting more devastating sanctions on |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 06:11 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Do you not get the inherent hypocrisy of your post? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. And you ignore the fact that the PM was willing to sacrifice |
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Ash_F (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #11 |
32. That is a narrow view of the situation. That is like Saying you support Jesse Helms and apartheid |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Thank you, excellent post. This country has gone so far down the |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
36. When you find yourself relying entirely on platitudes for your argument... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. How do you know how this will turn out in the end? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:14 AM Response to Reply #4 |
27. The Guardian itself has acknowledged that they chose and published |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
37. Certainly not -- the only culpable ones are the liars who opposed sanctions in public while... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
5. Well, as long as Wikileaks can help Mugabe.... |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. You are misrepresenting the truth of the arrangement. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. You are willfully ignoring who gave the unedited info to the Guardian in the first place--Wikileaks. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Wikileaks did not help anyone steal anything. In this case, the Guardian is the responsible party. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Oh, I think they did help Manning steal the cables, and I think |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 12:54 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Good luck with your eliminiationist fantacies. |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 01:12 AM Response to Reply #9 |
39. amen to that! |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. you have no idea what Wikileaks would have done or not have done |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Actually, I do know. It is the agreement between the Guardian and other media partners. |
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Riftaxe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Your own quote affirms that wikileaks propagated |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Yes, they provided the means that allows the Guardian, the New York Times, La Monde, |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. A free press can be like that |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 11:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. what truth? |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:12 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Government, unlike persons, has no Constitutional right to privacy. |
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Matthea (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
17. Glenn Greenwald has documented very well... |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. who gave the cables to The Guardian |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:05 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Another media organization. The Guardian published them. Yes the well-respected Guardian |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:58 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. and who provided that other media organization with these cables? |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:30 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Are you suggesting that one media organization should have kept them secret from all the others? |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I want to know Wikileaks' role in all of this |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. You know their role. As a news media organization, they shared the cables |
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