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alp227
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:08 PM Original message |
US child appeals against being tried for murder as an adult |
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Possumpoint
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. Commit the Crime |
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ProudDad
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. I doubt that Mr. Clemons would have agreed with you |
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harmonicon
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Just like in Iran. |
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Rage for Order
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Trying to see where your comment has any relation to the post you replied to |
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harmonicon
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. You're not seeing it? |
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Rage for Order
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Nearly as barbaric as shooting a sleeping pregnant woman in the back of the head |
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RZM
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #22 |
52. 'Nearly as barbaric'? |
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harmonicon
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Neither of those countries would lock up a child for life. |
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Maraya1969
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
95. A sarcasm emoticon might have been appropriate if I understand you. |
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humblebum
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
91. A child is still a child. He was not 18, he was 11. Huge diff. nt |
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La Lioness Priyanka
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. lol |
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Sonoman
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. "shot her through the back of the head as she slept in her bedroom." |
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msanthrope
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. The victim was 8 months pregnant, and was found by her 4 year-old. |
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wisteria
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. He should be tried as an adult. He was full aware of what he was doing. |
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ProudDad
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. The judgement center of the brain of the human is NOT fully formed |
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ncdemclt
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. What? |
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sabrina 1
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Thu Jan-27-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
106. Sign up 11 year olds for the military! |
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reorg
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
4. "only the US and Somalia" |
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OnlinePoker
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. How does a country without a functioning government (Somalia) ratify anything? |
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Art_from_Ark
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
45. Good questions |
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reorg
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Wed Jan-26-11 04:34 AM Response to Reply #7 |
47. wrong question |
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Recursion
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
66. Umm... Iran and China are both parties to the treaty |
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alphafemale
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Wed Jan-26-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
61. If they put the children in prison who would be the pirates and soldiers? nt |
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reorg
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. So, to put those 11-year-old pirates out of their misery |
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MikeW
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #65 |
79. instead of posting nonsense .... what is your solution? |
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reorg
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. quit skipping the issue: even in Somalia kids are not put away for life |
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snooper2
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Thu Jan-27-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. I really wouldn't use Somalia as an example of where kids are taken care of |
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reorg
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Thu Jan-27-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. Even in Somalia they are not handing down life sentences to children |
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snooper2
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Thu Jan-27-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. They don't have to, they get kidnapped, raped, killed just walking around outside |
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reorg
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Thu Jan-27-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. the kids who become murderers in the US are not properly provided for either |
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snooper2
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Thu Jan-27-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. JHC |
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socialshockwave
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. No mercy from me. |
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ProudDad
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Yeah, right... |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. Yep. 11 year olds so cognitively mature I think we should let them drive, vote, |
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moobu2
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. We could have sent all the 11 + year olds to Afghanistan. |
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FreakinDJ
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #8 |
50. BINGO - We have a Winner Folks |
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joeglow3
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. My 8 year old understands the impact of murder |
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ProudDad
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. The judgement center of the brain of the human is NOT fully formed |
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Doremus
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Wed Jan-26-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
59. Might as well save your breath. This thread perfectly illustrates the reason we have the highest |
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sendero
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Wed Jan-26-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
69. Yeah.. |
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MikeW
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Wed Jan-26-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
70. so your suggestion is send him home and let him walk? |
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Union Scribe
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Thu Jan-27-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
110. So no one under 25 should be tried as an adult? |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
33. Perhaps you should let your 8 hear old stay home alone. |
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FreakinDJ
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
51. Your 8 yr old play video games much |
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joeglow3
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. He certainly doesn't play games where he is shooting people |
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FedUpWithIt All
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #55 |
82. Why not, if he completely understands what death and murder are as well as any adult |
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joeglow3
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Thu Jan-27-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #82 |
89. No, because we teach him murder is not something to "enjoy." |
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Xithras
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
73. No, your child doesn't. |
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snooper2
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Thu Jan-27-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
98. my 14 month old knows to pet the kitty, don't slap/hit |
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
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harmonicon
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. What rock? |
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harmonicon
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Fuck grocery shopping. You should make those little shits work for you. |
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La Lioness Priyanka
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
28. yup. also we should do away w. statutory rape while we are at it |
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harmonicon
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
15. "Only the US and Somalia" |
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micraphone
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
17. 11 years old is NOT an adult.. |
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MikeW
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. that aside ... he certainly cant be let out in society as hes a danger to others |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. He could at some point if we were a society that delivered on rehabilitation rather than |
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MikeW
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. we are a society that delivers justice first, he still has to pay for the crime like it or not |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. And justice, for an 11 year old, belongs in juvenile court like the rest of the civilized world. |
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No Elephants
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:19 AM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Depends on your definition of "justice." |
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MikeW
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Wed Jan-26-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
62. I dont agree |
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reorg
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #48 |
67. Yes, in the entire world outside of the US it means justice |
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MikeW
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Wed Jan-26-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. and what about justice for the victim and unborn child? just discard that right? |
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reorg
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. it's an ancient instinct, we call it revenge |
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MikeW
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #72 |
86. so you equate upholding the law and justice as revenge? |
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reorg
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. upholding the law means not to put 11-year-olds in prison |
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Xithras
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:03 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Tragic deaths happen every day. |
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MikeW
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. so your both saying that we no need for laws and no need for punishment in society? dream on |
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reorg
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. We need no criminal liability for 11-year-olds |
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MikeW
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. something still needs to be done .. what do you suggest |
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reorg
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:58 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. No, he should be cared for by professionals |
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MikeW
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. none? So your saying that any 11 year old no matter what the crime gets to walk away scott free? |
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MikeW
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. none? So your saying that any 11 year old no matter what the crime gets to walk away scott free? |
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MikeW
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. none? So your saying that any 11 year old no matter what the crime gets to walk away scott free? |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. Not scot free, but given proper treatment and evaluation |
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reorg
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Thu Jan-27-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #93 |
101. not just in no other Western country, nowhere else in the entire world |
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Xithras
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #26 |
74. He's not necessarily a danger to anybody. |
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Danger Mouse
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
19. While I think life imprisonment is a fair punishment for an ADULT murderer... |
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msanthrope
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
23. The victim was 8 months pregnant, and was found by her 4 year-old. |
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mrmpa
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. one of the problems the behaviorists are having with this |
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msanthrope
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. Yes. Because otherwise, he's out fairly quickly. |
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #30 |
44. He is doing that on advice of Counsel, i,e, the right NOT to incriminate himself |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. And what kind of father would give an 11-year-old a gun? |
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msanthrope
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. A not uncommon one in rural PA. Sadly. n/t |
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #23 |
42. he seems like one of those people who will continually commit violent crimes |
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Heywood J
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
31. I'll be one of the first to say that (some) kids from about 15 and up |
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Abq_Sarah
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:11 AM Response to Reply #31 |
46. We can't "fix" every condition |
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happyslug
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Wed Jan-26-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #31 |
58. The Common Law Rule was age 14 |
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eilen
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
32. He should not be tried as an adult. |
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. "Personally, I don't believe he should have had free access to a gun" |
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DeSwiss
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
35. I wonder how many murders he saw on teevee..... |
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happyslug
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
40. That is old news, Pa Superior Court took the case in July 2010 |
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No Elephants
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
49. God bless America. |
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
54. What if he were ten? Nine? At some point he can't be responsible |
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happyslug
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Wed Jan-26-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. Under the Common Law, if you were under 7, you could NOT even be tried |
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Wed Jan-26-11 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
56. Ok, what's the harshest sentence he could get in Juvenile Court in PA? |
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happyslug
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Wed Jan-26-11 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
57. Latest update from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette |
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AmandaMae
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Wed Jan-26-11 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
60. psychopaths start early. |
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happyslug
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Wed Jan-26-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. No indications that Jordon Brown is a Psychopath |
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. I still wonder what it was that drove him to do |
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happyslug
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #71 |
81. I wish I knew, but all we get is snippets |
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Union Scribe
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Thu Jan-27-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
111. They do. Mary Bell, anyone? |
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happyslug
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Thu Jan-27-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
112. I have read the Defendant's brief in this case, no indication of psychosis |
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CakeGrrl
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
77. Old enough to know how to take life with a gun? Deal with the consequences. |
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NikRik
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Thu Jan-27-11 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
90. Having hard time looking beyond.... |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
94. What was his motive? |
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msanthrope
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Thu Jan-27-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #94 |
103. Apparently, he didn't want a stepbrother. |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Thu Jan-27-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #103 |
113. But we don't know the whole story, do we? |
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
96. Like a magic wand..woosh..you're an adult! Dumb ass hypocritical |
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Maine-ah
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Thu Jan-27-11 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
99. shit, there has to be some kind of mental issue here |
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Thu Jan-27-11 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
108. Here is the Defendant's Brief |
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Thu Jan-27-11 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
109. 11 |
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