(Gov) Brewer defends gun show sales in wake of 'sting'

[RamboLiberal]

Source: Arizona Daily Sun

PHOENIX -- Gov. Jan Brewer is defending Arizona laws that allow the sale of firearms at gun shows without a background check and forbid cities from imposing such requirements.

"We believe our laws are fair and just in the state of Arizona,'' the governor said Monday.

Her comments come on the heels of New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg releasing videos Monday taken by undercover agents at a Phoenix gun show just 15 days after the Tucson shootings. There, Arizona private investigators hired by New York City were able to purchase weapons not only without a background check but, at least twice, after admitting to sellers they probably would not pass.

Brewer said she had not seen the videos. Nor had she seen Bloomberg's comments.

But the governor said the laws are "something that the Legislature and I decide.''



Read more: http://www.azdailysun.com/news/local/article_f2cf1b2c-2d82-11e0-9fe7-001cc4c03286.html

[Kolesar]

1. Hate the Mexicans, shoot the congresswoman, birthers paradise...

...Arizona!

[PavePusher]

9. Please go elsewhere next time you wish to be a bigot. ThanxKbye. n/t

[liberation]

11. Woooossshhhhhh

[FailureToCommunicate]

40. LOL!

[Tempest]

18. Nothing he said was bigoted

What he posted were facts about AZ.

[PavePusher]

21. Broad-brushing is bigotry. n/t

[Tempest]

23. Nothing broad brushed at all

Here's what he posted:

Hate the Mexicans, shoot the congresswoman, birthers paradise...


Hate the Mexicans - Maricopa County is under a federal investigation for profiling and civil rights abuses against minorities. Not to mention AZ is where the Minutemen started. And don't try to tell us they're not racist. You'll just make yourself look foolish.

Shoot the Congresswoman - It was AZ's permissive gun laws (demonstrated just this weekend again with the gun show sting) which contributed to the number of dead and wounded.

Birthers Paradise - This says it all:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/arizona-birther-bill-deny-obama-reelection


So where are the broad brushes?

[LAGC]

28. Loughner passed the background check.

Even if we closed the gun-show "loophole" he would have still been able to get a gun.

What other restrictions would you like to see that you think would have prevented the shooting?

[Tempest]

29. You must have missed the news reports

Maybe this will help:

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_59b2c2cc-21ae-59f8-a5ea-388b7e414e07.html

[PavePusher]

31. What is your point? Please, be specific... n/t

[Kolesar]

53. I see you live in Arizona. I'm sorry.

I'm real sorry.

[Name removed]

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[roguevalley]

24. I'll remember that the next time Alaska is slagged. What was said

is factual. Given the last year, tell us what he said that was wrong?

[PavePusher]

30. It slanders a great many of the people who live there...

there vast majority of whom do not fit your stereotyping.

I can't believe I have to fucking explain this on a progressive web site.

[alstephenson]

47. I live in Arizona.

And I don't feel slandered. It's the truth - this is a stupid, racist, gun-loving state full of birthers.

[Kolesar]

52. And RVers ... eom

[atreides1]

54. Many does not = vast majority

There may be many in Arizona that do not share the ethics of the majority...but it was the majority who gave control of the state to bigots and birthers!

[benld74]

2. We believe our Govenor looks worse than the Wicked Witch of the West'

[PSzymeczek]

6. She looks like the Cryptkeeper

in a blonde wig. She and her policies are hideous.

[mbperrin]

56. She's threatening to dethrone Rick Perry as the dumbest governor

ever anywhere!

BUT I've got faith in ol' Rick. He'll top this fuckup soon.

[May Hamm]

3. My opinion is the asshole NY mayor oughta look after his own town

I'm pretty sure Bloomberg has enough on his plate that he doesn't need to spend his city's money investigating and whining about Arizona.

What the hell is he doing messing with the affairs of another state, anyway? A state that is almost as far away from him as any state can get.

The deal in this great country is that the federal government will take care of the big things and each state can conduct it's own affairs according to the wishes of it's own citizens. So New Yorker, go home. Stay home. Let Arizonans live as they see fit.

[bettyellen]

4. because we have your guns killing people in NY State, and you ought to at least follow your own laws

maybe we can hold your asses responsible since no one there cares to enforce the laws, huh?

[PavePusher]

10. No laws were broken by the seller...

only by the out-of-staters who lied, presented fake ID, and crossed state borders to buy guns under false pretenses.

Tag, you're it.


P.S. I wonder what's on the un-edited tape, you know... those missing bits and pieces? Hmmmmm....

[Wilms]

14. Not to play tag or anything but you may have to look at the text from the article.

Perhaps they misreported and "edited", or somethin'.

While gun dealers must conduct background checks, those laws do not require background checks for the person to person sale of weapons by individuals. But it does prohibit anyone from selling a gun to another person who there is "reasonable cause" to believe is not legally entitled to have one.

In two videos released by Bloomberg, a buyer at the Crossroads of the West gun show on Jan. 23 in Phoenix specifically asked sellers if they were dealers and said, "I probably couldn't pass one."

:shrug:

[boppers]

27. You might want to read this:

http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf

What the sellers did broke the law.

[PavePusher]

34. I want to see the raw, unedited tape before making that assumption.

I kind of think there's a reason they won't show it, i.e., the full story shows something other than what is being claimed. YMMV.

[boppers]

37. Fair enough.

From what I have seen/heard, the tricky bit seems to be that the sellers said they would agree to the purchase *before* the sting folks said they weren't likely to pass a check, *but* the sale went through anyways....

Devil's in the details, though.

[michreject]

39. The buyers from NY committed a felony

They're not Feds. I would love to see arrest warrants issued.

[Scout]

41. the buyers were not from New York...

"Arizona private investigators hired by New York City were able to purchase weapons not only without a background check but, at least twice, after admitting to sellers they probably would not pass"

[michreject]

42. Probable means they could or couldn't

There is no means for a private seller to ensure they couldn't one way or another.

[Scout]

44. the point of my post was that the buyers were from ARIZONA, not

illegal buyers from out of state as you stated in your post.

[slackmaster]

48. If I hired someone in Arizona to buy a gun in Arizona for me, it would be a violation of federal law

The same law applies to Michael Bloomberg.

[Scout]

49. so the sellers violated this part of the law

"But it does prohibit anyone from selling a gun to another person who there is "reasonable cause'' to believe is not legally entitled to have one."

regardless if the buyers were attempting to make a straw purchase or a purchase for themselves, the sellers were in violation.

[slackmaster]

50. Yes, I agree that the sellers violated the law as well

The transactions were illegal, and would not have happened had they not been solicited by Bloomberg's proxies. It's classic entrapment, and as in other kinds of entrapment situations the sellers are indeed guilty of violating the law.

[ChazII]

55. +100

from another Arizonan. Thank you, for your posts.

[bettyellen]

57. BULLSHIT X 1000, more propoganda from the guns at any cost brigade

"it does prohibit anyone from selling a gun to another person who there is "reasonable cause'' to believe is not legally entitled to have one."

[here_is_to_hope]

13. "Your guns", nope, they are New York guns...

I seriously doubt New Yorkers are running to Arizona for firearms when they can easily be purchased on a street corner in that Babylon of a city.

[FailureToCommunicate]

7. You know, that almost made sense...

[liberation]

12. LOL

[Mojorabbit]

17. +10000

I am glad to see NY has plenty of cash on hand to be doing out of state investigations.

[roguevalley]

26. Hey arizoner. Keep your guns in your state then. People go to other

states like yours to buy guns like this and bring them back home and kill people. Of course we have the right to bitch. Get your state out of the export gun business and selling guns to yahoo business and we won't say a word. You are basically defending your governor and idiot legislature.

[PavePusher]

35. Get your state out of the Civil Rights-violation business...

and stop exporting your criminals to us. Put them in jail where they belog.

[CreekDog]

5. All the innocent victims, will someone please think of the

...guns. :eyes:

[onehandle]

8. Crazy fuck. nt

[Recursion]

15. No, she's not. That's just untrue.

She is not defending a law that allows sales of guns without background checks at gun shows. She can't be defending that because no such law exists.

[JDPriestly]

16. Now we know how all those guns are making their ways into Mexico.

[lunasun]

38. lets hope everyone already understands this has been true for a long time

[underpants]

19. ENFORCE THEM

was that not clear enough?

do you not understand your responsibilities?

you JACK WAGON!

[MadMaddie]

20. Rachal did a show last week about

how there is a direct link between the gun wars in Mexico and a gun shop in AZ.

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_west_valley/glendale/glendale-gun-shop-found-to-be-no.-1-for-guns-found-at-mexican-crime-scenes-traced-back-to-their-shop

<snip>
In an articled titled, “U.S. gun dealers with the most firearms traced over the past four years” Washington Post staff writers Sari Horwitz and James V. Grimaldi wrote, “Lone Wolf Trading Co. in Glendale, Ariz., a suburb of Phoenix, is ranked eighth on the list with about 1,515 firearms traced
<snip>

[PavePusher]

22. Yes, I'm sure they are selling machine guns, grenades, rockets and mortars...

over the counter to anyone who wants them.

If the buyers are using clean fake I.D., they are going to pass all the checks mandated by law.

[boppers]

25. The buyers said they were dirty.

The sellers sold anyways.

[PavePusher]

33. I think you are confusing this with the gun show/Bloomberg issue. n/t

[boppers]

36. Correct, I was following up on the OP.

I did not follow a context switch to the Gunshop in the Maddow piece.

[MadMaddie]

59. The problem is they are buying 30 automatic rifles at a time

and then going back and buying 30 more.....so apparantly the way the law is written if you buy two automatic handguns...the gun dealer has to report it. Automatic rifles.....nope...

[X_Digger]

60. Automatic weapons are covered by the 1934 NFA, and are not available over the counter, 30 at a time.

They require a ton of paperwork, and a couple of months to acquire. And since 1986, the registry is closed to civilians, so prices start at ~$3,500 (for crap.)

[PavePusher]

32. Self-delete, posted in wrong place. n/t

[slackmaster]

43. People working for the mayor of NYC went to another state, lied, and illegally bought guns

Enforcing existing law would solve most of the "problem".

[Scout]

45. the buyers were private investigators FROM ARIZONA

no one crossed state lines to make the purchase.

[slackmaster]

46. They lied. They were not buying guns for themselves.

They were buying them on behalf of the mayor of New York, not for themselves or as gifts for someone else.

Google the term "straw purchase".

[Toon Me Out]

51. did Gov. Jan also say:

"Nyaah, nyaah, so suck it, you little peons"?


My god, these people are like two-bit thugs out of some bad 70's drive-in movie. Has anyone tested that woman for meth?

[Sparky 1]

61. Politicians from both sides better not visit Arizona, then. n/t