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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 11:09 AM Original message |
Some 200,000 in Germany protest nuclear power |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. Germany is kicking our butts in so many ways - good for them! |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. They are indeed. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Check out this German car factory... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 12:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
34. OMFG, we really have slipped into the third world |
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Lars77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
56. Audi ships their vehicles from the factory Co2-free |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'm with you! We do not need an antique and dangerous technology! |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Right. Much better we should stick with coal, which kills tens of thousands a year. |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Nope, as you know, because you and I have posted back and forth before, |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Germany will replace Nuclear with coal |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. A media analyst thinks that some of the nuke will go to coal, short term, |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Post #13 nt |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Got that right, if it pays 'em, it must be good! |
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BrookBrew (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
7. All good until the french stop selling them Nuke Generated |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Are there days on planet Earth where no wind blows and no sun shines? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
37. So, what size nuke disaster would convince you to get off nukes? Loss of a city, country, continent? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
67. Wind is always blowing somewhere, baseload can be fed into the grid from anywhere |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
9. Germany will replace Nuclear with coal |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. A media analyst thinks that some of the nuke will go to coal, short term, |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Well they are |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. I dunno, I've got a funny feeling that Merkel knows more about what |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. An analyist spends time analyzing |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Most analysts are paid to have a bent. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. So this guy gets paid by a "green" foundation |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. where are these 30 cent/kwh numbers coming from? |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:29 AM Response to Reply #28 |
38. post downthread |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 12:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Who pays 9 cents? I pay 6.3 for my windpower here. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:32 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Thats all fine a dandy if you're building outside a small town |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Where do you live? I live in a town of 100,000+ with another the same size |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. I live in a city of 1 million + |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. You don't need wind at your location any more than you need a nuclear plant |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 12:53 AM Response to Reply #21 |
33. Actually, now that I've had some time to research this, the analyst |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:33 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Well, he's probably got a job for 40 years, at least. |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 02:20 AM Response to Reply #33 |
44. here is the Point Carbon press release |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 04:32 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Yes and they'll probably keep one coal plant in particular going |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. why are you so determined we know this? Obviously, Germany has a commitment to solar |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:41 AM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Sorry I thought enlightenment was good |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:15 AM Response to Reply #9 |
36. So, what size nuke disaster would convince you to get off nukes? Loss of a city, country, continent? |
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octothorpe (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
18. Is it even possible to immediately abolish nuclear power? |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. yea |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
20. K&R Let's move forward with alternative energy.... |
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Snoutport (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
23. we should be outside with a sign |
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InvisibleTouch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
24. Good! We need to do the same. n/t |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
25. "gloomy skied" Germany believed to be #1 in solar panel use |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Yes and they pay 30 cents a kilowatt hour |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. link please |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 10:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. link |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 12:45 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. funny, if you follow the link |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:03 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I cited you residental |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:53 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. sure |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 03:58 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. You can convert it to euros or pesos |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. as I said |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. The exchange rate has nothing to do with the price |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. no it doesn't |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. therefore it is misleading if you quote the Euro price in Dollars |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. okay, last post |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. a subsidy is a cost. |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I'm in Gemany |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:14 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Solar systems are getting cheaper and critics say the subsidies should be lowered. |
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coyote (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 04:39 AM Response to Reply #25 |
47. I live in Germany and have solar. |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Thank you! We need input from people who are actually there and part |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Self delete. The dreaded double post... |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #47 |
59. Jesus |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #59 |
66. Because that is the cost of the mortgage and insurance that they would otherwise be paying for |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #47 |
65. This is the critical point in this thread, IMHO. The provider (the person who put the panels |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
43. K&R n/t |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Like many European countries... |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. are you sure? |
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