Officials Say Classified 9/11 Material Is 'Damning' | L.A. Times

[Newsjock]

EDIT to include link, finally. Title on website is different than it was on the wire.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-na-saudi2aug02,1,4474000.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Saudi Government Provided Aid to 9/11 Hijackers, Sources Say
By Josh Meyer, Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON — The 27 pages deleted from a congressional report on Sept. 11 depict a Saudi government that not only provided significant money and aid to the suicide hijackers but also allowed potentially hundreds of millions of dollars to flow to al-Qaida and other terrorist groups through suspect charities and other fronts, according to sources familiar with the document.

One U.S. official who has read the classified section said it describes ``direct involvement of senior (Saudi) government officials in a coordinated and methodical way directly to the hijackers,'' as well as ``very direct, very specific links that cannot be passed off as rogue, isolated or coincidental.''

Said another official: ``It's really damning. What it says is that not only Saudi entities or nationals are implicated in 9/11, but the (Saudi) government'' as well.

snip

However one interprets the 27 pages, all who have read them agreed on one thing: If they are made public, they will prove extremely embarrassing not only to the Saudi government, but the U.S. government as well, particularly the FBI for missing so many clues pointing to Riyadh and for not aggressively investigating them, sources said.

``If this comes out, it will blow the top off the relations with (the Saudi) government because the American people will just be outraged,'' said one source familiar with the report. ``We invaded Iraq for something tangential. And here we have a government whose senior leaders have very direct, very extensive links to the hijackers, to the actual people who got on the planes and flew them into those buildings.

[Stephanie]

1. Wow! Is there any speculation in the article as to why BushCo

would got to such extremes to protect the Saudis, both before and after the attacks?

It's indefensible.

[sally343434]

3. ??

I'm assuming yours is a rhetorical question.
If not, the answer is really quite simple: $$$$

[Stephanie]

9. Understood, but I'm wondering if it's in the article

There's no link yet to the article. Just curious how far they go with this.

[Newsjock]

4. No, but ...

... this is in the AP version of the Saudi story:

FBI officials obtained information about Basnan, who was charged with visa violations after Sept. 11 and eventually sent back to Saudi Arabia, ``clearly indicating that Basnan is an extremist and bin Laden supporter,'' the congressional report concludes.

In a classified section of the report, congressional investigators also trace his movements after Sept. 11, raising the possibility he went to Houston to meet with a Saudi figure with intelligence ties who had come with royal family members when they met with President Bush in Texas.

[Ediacara]

5. protecting the Saudis now protects his own ass.

Protecting the Saudis then ensured a free flow of volatile hydrocarbons.

[Stephanie]

13. and also $$$ into Poppy's pocket

Good thing they're getting rid of that pesky estate tax, eh?

[Octafish]

23. HERE'S WHY BUSH DOESN'T WANT TO GO THERE (SAUDI)...

Saudi Intelligence, their CIA, has passed along to the US CIA, at least the Bush Faction, all that they had on Al Qaeda and everybody else they got files on, since at least the 1970s. The stuff they didn't send to us, we probably got through the Inslaw-PROMIS software the US Gov "sold" them.

The thing is: If the US has been getting all this info, then Bushco allowed the Saudis to continue funding and supporting Osama and Al Quaeda. Therefore, September 11 was allowed to proceed by Bush and, by extension, the people and corporations he fronts for.

Smirk had to know. Heil Bush*.


Saudi spy chief: CIA got 'all' our intelligence on Al Qaida since '97

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Wednesday, September 18, 2002

ABU DHABI — Former Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki Al Faisal said Saudi Arabia and the United States have been sharing information on Al Qaida leader Osama Bin Laden since 1997. He said Riyad relayed to the CIA all information collected on Al Qaida.

"As director of general intelligence, I had for some time regarded Osama Bin Laden as a key intelligence target," Turki told the Riyad-based Arab News on Wednesday.

"At the instruction of the senior Saudi leadership, I shared all the intelligence we had collected on Bin Laden and Al Qaida with the CIA," Turki said. "And in 1997 the Saudi minister of defense, Prince Sultan, established a joint intelligence committee with the United States to share information on terrorism in general and on Bin Laden and Al-Qaida in particular."

Turki served as Saudi intelligence chief from 1973 until several weeks before the Al Qaida suicide attacks on New York and Washington in September 2001. He was the leading Saudi liasion to U.S. intelligence, Middle East Newsline reported.

CONTINUED...

http://216.26.163.62/2002/me_saudis_09_18.html

A little on PROMIS for the uninitiated:

Death of a Journalist Exposes a Secret Government

November 1991
by Paul DeRienzo

Joseph (Danny) Casolaro was a poet, author and investigative journalist who was found dead last August, apparently from his own hand, in a West Virginia motel. Although a short suicide note was found near the body, his friends and family cast doubt on the coroner's version, that Casolaro had slit his own wrists at least ten times while sitting in a bathtub.

Casolaro was planning to write a book that would expose the story behind the 1982 theft by the Department of Justice of case management, tracking and workflow management software called PROMIS (PROsecution Management Information Systems), for use by public prosecution agencies. The software, which is still in use today, allows prosecutors to quickly and accurately track cases winding through the courts.

The investigation had taken the 44-year old divorced father of one into a misty world of organized crime, corporate greed and possibly CIA covert operations that may have led Casolaro over his head into a conspiracy by men with connections to the highest level of the United States government, a conspiracy that Casolaro called the Octopus, because its tentacles led from the covert action branch of the CIA into the heart of the most infamous scandals of our age.

Casolaro had maintained until his death that the PROMIS software was stolen and modified by the government for sale to the intelligence agencies of various countries throughout the world. He based his theory mostly on the testimony of a scientist, Michael Riconosciuto, who told a federal court that the software had been taken to the Cabazon Indian reservation in southern California.

CONTINUED...

http://pdr.autono.net/promis.html

Interview with PROMIS author, William Hamilton:

http://pdr.autono.net/BIllHamilton.html

[cheapbeemr]

25. Remember when one of the Saudi 'charities' was sharing an office

with Grover Norquist? They were busted by the FBI about a year or so ago, still sharing the office - another one of those stories that sank in our media like a stone.......

[Octafish]

29. Fine Bedfellow for Smirk and Sneer

No one would believe this stuff if it wasn't true...



Grover Norquist and Abdurahman Alamoudi

BY SETH GITELL

During his presidential campaign and his first months in office, George W. Bush had no stronger supporter than Grover Norquist, the president of Americans for Tax Reform. During the New Hampshire primary, Norquist’s group ran television ads that morphed the face of Arizona senator John McCain into that of President Bill Clinton (see " New Hampshire Diary, " News and Features, January 12, 2000). When Bush finally took office, Norquist became a key ally in the president’s tax-cut quest. In its May 14 issue, the Nation highlighted the relationship in a piece titled " Grover Norquist: ‘Field Marshal of the Bush Plan.’ "

But now, as Bush embarks on a war against terrorism, the president may find Norquist more of a liability than an asset: the tax reformer has emerged as one of the leading conservative critics of the administration’s legislative response to terror, the Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001. Certainly, Norquist is no defender of terror or terrorists. Still, he has, in a political and a business capacity, befriended those who have failed to renounce terror. And if you don’t toe the party line on terror these days, you’re not in the party.

The Protestant Norquist is a founding director of the Islamic Institute, a socially conservative Muslim think tank that eschews international issues in favor of domestic issues such as tax cuts and faith-based initiatives. In addition, Norquist’s lobbying firm, Janus-Merritt Strategies LLC, was officially registered as a lobbyist for the Islamic Institute as well as for Abdurahman Alamoudi, the founder and former executive director of the American Muslim Council. Public records show that Alamoudi has done more than $20,000 worth of business with Norquist’s firm, on issues relating to Malaysia. One source says the lobbying involved efforts on behalf of reformist Islamic leader Anwar Ibrahim, imprisoned in Malaysia, whose cause has been taken up by Amnesty International, among others.

To be sure, the bulk of Norquist’s work on behalf of American Muslims merely falls in line with the American tradition of targeting ethnic voters — a tradition that goes back to the days of urban machine politics and before. To that end, Norquist and Khaled Saffuri, the executive director of the Islamic Institute and former director of government relations at the American Muslim Council, brokered meetings between Muslim and Republican leaders during the 2000 presidential campaign. These meetings led Bush to come out against secret evidence (evidence in certain immigration and national-security cases that the accused can’t see) and ethnic profiling by police — tools that some law-enforcement experts now want in the fight against terror.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\\Nation\\archive\\200110\\NAT20011018a.html

[PaDUer]

72. Doesn't surprise me...

* is being two-faced to his "working buds" and knows they can take his entire family down..There's a lot of damning info being held back, and he doesn't want them to talk because the Sauds(family now) can take them all down..The sad part is, all this news is going to be swept under the carpet and nothing become of it! They'll walk away w/ all the $$ from the people!

Plus, sheeney's been dealing behind * back and playing the game...they're all in it for themselves and ducking each other...

Oh what webs we weave when we practice to deceive!

[Octafish]

82. The public has got to keep the pressure building...

... For the first time since Watergate, We the People have a chance to rid our nation of this cancer on the Republic. Your observation of how the crooks fight hard and turn on each other is most appropriate and piquant. To get the Bush Organized Crime Family behind bars takes information and that's where you and everybody on DU and everybody we all know to get busy. I hope everyone has their mental Tricorder running.

Here's some good material to disseminate freely:

The Bush-Saudi Connection

By Michelle Mairesse

Ancestral Voices

In 1920, under a League of Nations mandate, officials from France and Great Britain carved up vast tracts of warlord-dominated territories in Arabia into what they imagined would be nation states devoid of the complex historical, cultural, and tribal realities of the Mideast.

Instead of establishing European-style nation states, the strongest warlords quickly entrenched themselves with the aid of standing armies and spy networks. In much of the Mideast, fealty is often accorded to tribal overlords and the Islamic sects they favor rather than to the territory and people within the boundaries of the nation state. Jonathan Rabin succinctly defines the reality, past and present, of the desert sheikdoms: "The systems of government that have evolved in Syria, Iraq and Saudi Arabia are paranoid family dictatorships with ancestral roots in a single city or village." (1)

Islamic fundamentalists like Osama bin Laden make their appeals to the nation or community of believers, not to any particular nation state, although the rich and powerful among the Muslims have founded Western-style businesses and formed corporations both inside and outside the boundaries of their native countries. Because Osama himself is a scion of a rich Saudi family with wide-ranging business interests throughout the world, the split Saudi personality is most evident in him and the bin Laden clan. Osama, who calls America "The Great Satan," has done business with the infidel Americans whenever it suited him.

Throughout the eighties, when the United States assisted the Saudis in a giant military buildup of airfields, ports, and bases throughout the kingdom, many of the contracts were awarded to the largest construction company in Saudi Arabia, the Saudi Binladen Group, founded by Osama bin Laden’s father.

CONTINUED...

http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm

[9215]

89. Do you have a link to that??

I'd like to read more.

Thanks

[Octafish]

96. Here's a link to background article from CBS

Try this, 9215. The names'll pop up a lot on GOOGLE . You have to cut and paste the URL as it's got some kind of tricky stuff to prevent direct linkage.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\\Nation\\archive\\200110\\NAT20011018a.html

[9215]

113. Thanks my man.

I'm going to check this stuff out. We need to do a brain storming thread on O'Neil at WTC,how he got the job etc. IMO, the same motive for getting rid of O'Neil is that of cutting the 28 pages of info on Saudi Arabia and 9/11 from. These fascist bastards have alot to hide and O'Neil, as the Frontline piece said, was "The Man Who KNew".

[Jackpine Radical]

106. OMG--Another wrist slitter?

Shades of Kelly!

[9215]

120. Kick

:kick:

[Fovea]

35. And who were Bush benifactors... the Bin Laden family among others

The Saudis were threatening Dubya by insisting on declassification. Because the info will hurt Bush more than the Saudis.
It is Saudi for 'screw you'.

[The Zanti Regent]

39. Follow the Money

straight to the Carlysle group.

Just follow the money!

[jamesinca]

55. It has a lot to do with the business dealings and nothing else

At least that is my opinion. It is a tangled web of 50 years or so. I also know that James Baker, the Reagan administration guy, is the personal lawyer of Bush that is kept on retainer. It just so happens that he is representing the Saudi's against lawsuits filed by the victims/families/survivors of 9/11. One of bin-Ladens biggest complaints was the presence of U.S. forces in Saudi Arabia. Those were put in SA by GHW Bush, left in there by Clinton and not removed until the latest war in Iraq. Maybe the first bombing of the WTC was a warning. Nobody headed it, or knew what to do with it at the time. In any case a more devastating attack came on 9/11. A war in Iraq was not what was needed to pull U.S. troops out of SA. they could have been shifted to Kuwait and a little nation building could have put them in Turkey, Jordan and with some effort Syria. Bush decided war not nation building. He is the uniter, not the divider you know.

[Ediacara]

2. IF this turns out to be true

Then I believe that Bush will be impeached, kicked out, tried, and possibly hanged. There is no way Bush could not have known about this, and there he is, buddy-buddy with the Saudis.

Every photo of Bush with his arm around a Saudi royal is one more step to his end.

[ewagner]

6. Maintain folks...maintain

Wait until the whole thing is released....don't overreact to these early reports....

[Ediacara]

10. that's what the

big IF was for.

[sally343434]

18. Never going to happen

Bush will never be impeached.

You fail to remember that this is bigger than Bush. The congress, supreme court, and the media are all part of the cabal. This is a very large and complex criminal enterprise (The Bush Cabal) and your desire for impeachment will never come to pass as long as congress remains controlled by criminals.

[Ediacara]

22. Look

If Bush was implicated with the Saudis concerning 9-11 in a clear-cut non-conspiracy way, and he was not impeached, look for 10s of millions of people storming Washington DC.

[meisje]

50. including many in the democratic party

they too are in shrub's little frat

[maryallen]

80. Never say "never," my dear ...

You'll eat your words every time.

[Guaranteed]

7. They couldn't just make another war with this, could they?

Cuz they already KNEW!!???

[Ediacara]

8. well, IF it's true

War with the Saudis would be justified. I have a feeling though that IF it's true, a swift resignation of everyone in the administration would take place, followed by President Hastert prosecuting the war.

[GreatAuntK]

14. Saudi money in U.S.

I wonder how much Saudi money is invested in U.S., in banks, for instance - hundreds of billions?

[LizW]

11. Then it's just one more step step

to connect the Bush family to the Saudis.

This information became clear, at the very least, during the investigation into 9/11. The Bush* administration continues to try to block its release and hide it from the American public. It is arguable that the whole rush to war against Iraq, in addition to being a PNAC agenda, also served the Bush family interests by diverting attention from Saudi involvement in 9/11.

And if the Bush* administration would go to such great lengths to hide Saudi involvement AFTER 9/11, isn't it arguable that they sought to forstall efforts to investigate Saudi ties to terrorism BEFORE 9/11? And couldn't those efforts have prevented the tying together of crucial information that might have exposed and foiled the plot before the attacks?

I've never really bought into LIHOP, but, damn, it's getting smelly.

[reprobate]

93. Isn't it amazing that the more we know, the more true LIHOP seems?

While I've been a LIHOP supporter since shortly after 9/11 each little bit of information pushes me more towards the MIHOP position. There is nothing that I would doubt the cabal would do to gain and keep power.

And when you look at eh many connections between the bush family and the bin ladin family, plus the bush and saud fanilies, there seems little doubt in my mind that the "new pearl harbor" was planned long before 9/11, and not just by bin ladin.

If there is some sort of balancing power in this particular universe, I believe that the cabal will all stand trial for treason.

[Imalittleteapot]

12. If this is exposed by the "liberal media" and is true

and Bush is still held in high esteem by the masses, I give up.
How much more do they need to learn before they begin to ask questions? The Bush regime exceeds NIxon's and Reagan's in lies and cover ups .

[Mel]

62. your thoughts made me think

of this thread I read a while back from Q
The in italic is my favorite part and when you asked 'how much more do they need to learn before they begin to ask questions' it brought it back so I went and found it in case others had missed it.
Thanks Q!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=68384&mesg_id=68384

Here: have another bite of this tasty shit sandwich

- It's been almost three years now since the coup and the end of democracy. It's not a 'tinfoil' conspiracy theory or hyperbole or fantasy. We no longer live in a democratic republic with a representative government. If you don't understand this..you haven't been paying attention.

- We've witnessed government fraud and corruption that is unprecedented in American history:

We've seen our once sort of free press transform into a ministry of propaganda for those in power.

War profiteering and no-bid billion dollar contracts for Friends of Bush*.

A 'revolving door' government where politicians use their private/public relationships to influence policy decisions and legislation.

Hiding of presidential papers, national energy policy and incriminating evidence in the 9-11 report.

The coverups and obstruction of justice concerning Harken, Halliburtion, Enron, Worldcom, 9-11 and lies about Iraq/WMD.

Outright lies are used and accepted as justification for invading Iraq and killing thousands of civilians.

- I'd just like to know: how many bites will you take before you discover that you've been fed a fecal sandwich? Do yourself and the world a favor and spit that shit out and demand a full meal of the truth, a side dish of justice and impeachment for dessert.

[sal]

100. The thing about a shit sandwich

is the more bread you got, the less shit you got to eat.

What we got is more like a shit taco up the bo bo, know what I mean?

[Wapsie B]

15. I agree that we should let things develop

before jumping to conclusions. Chimpy has not had to answer for his crimes in the past. A part of me would love to see this drag out where not only the simian goes down but takes Poppy with him.

[Ediacara]

16. NEW YORK TIMES LINK

Report on 9/11 Suggests a Role by Saudi Spies
By JAMES RISEN and DAVID JOHNSTON


WASHINGTON, Aug. 1 The classified part of a Congressional report on the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, says that two Saudi citizens who had at least indirect links with two hijackers were probably Saudi intelligence agents and may have reported to Saudi government officials, according to people who have seen the report.

These findings, according to several people who have read the report, help to explain why the classified part of the report has become so politically charged, causing strains between the United States and Saudi Arabia. Senior Saudi officials have denied any links between their government and the attacks and have asked that the section be declassified, but President Bush has refused.

People familiar with the report and who spoke on condition of not being named said that the two Saudi citizens, Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Bassnan, operated in a complex web of financial relationships with officials of the Saudi government. The sections that focus on them draw connections between the two men, two hijackers, and Saudi officials.

More at the New York Times

[indictrichardperle]

21. Keep in mind

the Neo-cons, led by Richard Perle have been targeting Saudi for a long time. The Saudi's demanded the 28 pages be released publically.

antiwar.com has a very informative editorial by Justin R on its front page today, i recommend reading it. There are more than just one nation suspected of being involved.

[Gman]

17. The connections between Carlysle/Bushco and the Saudi family & govt

are a matter of record

[lcordero]

19. Oh please

Again with an anonymous source:
Said another official: ``It's really damning. What it says is that not only Saudi entities or nationals are implicated in 9/11, but the (Saudi) government'' as well.

Is this "evidence" as "damning" as the Nigeria papers? :eyes:


I'm going to keep repeating this:

7 of 19 so-called "hijackers" are still alive.

[goforit]

20. Keep blaming the FBI????..John O'Niel was on them, yet he was fired

early 2001 by our beloved WH administration.

This administration is fully responsible for throwing up
blocks into Osama Bin Ladin and his little al-Qaida hired hands
long before 911......The firing of John O'Niel is the first
piece of evidence to be offered!!!

It seems quite obvious that 911 was in the planning by this administration long before this date and the irony once again
is that John O'Niel was killed in the WTC....

Convenience or intention by this group of thugs???

You be the judge

[Melinda]

26. O'Neill was fired? Are you sure?? Are you 1000% positive???

Cause if so, this is the first I have heard of it, and I'd appreciate seeing evidence to substantiate that, thanks.

[goforit]

37. Well he was taken off the case investigating Al-Qaida and then

I believe he ended up working in Florida where he made a serious mistake of misplacing his brief case (who knows for sure what happenned here)and then I believe he either left on his own or was asked to leave at which time he went to New York to head the security for the WTC.

(mind you, this may be all hearsay- no articles to prove)

All I know was this man was hot on OBL trail. I also know that the appointed US ambassador to Yemen blocked O'Niel's efforts to hunt
Al-qaida down or just had a huge personality conflict with him.
She no longer is there.

This information came out approximately 2 months after 911.

The uncanny thing was there was never a publicized tribute for this
outstanding FBI agent when he perished in the twin buildings.

I would love to give you that information but I don't remember the
papers and magazines it game out of. I can't remember all the specifics, so I may be terribly wrong.Maybe BBC or the Nation
might know about this, if I remember correctly.

I wished I had kept it but I guess I was just stunned at the time.

[OzarkDem]

91. Remember John link

http://www.rememberjohn.com/

He resigned when he was told to stand-down the investigation of OBL. News media knows all this and has been complicit in covering it up.

John O'Neil's story is one of the most important parts of the 9-11 investigation that has been completely ignored. The information he developed and the reasons for his decision to resign should be fully investigated in any real 9-11 investigation.

This recent report is just scratching the surface.

[Athame]

101. John O'Neill's story is in the prologue of Forbidden Truth

the French 9-11 expose published in early 2002. The authors (Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie) had interviewed him in late July 2001.

Sitting in the China Club at the top of a building overlooking Manhattan, John O'Neill recounted the heated exchange with the American ambassador {Barbara Bodine}, his disappointment in the State Department's impotence--feigned or not--and above all the threat of Osama bin Laden. For him, everything originated in Saudi Arabia, and everything could be explained and solved through this prism. "All of the answers, all of the clues allowing us to dismantle Osama bin Laden's organization can be found in Saudi Arabia," he told me, emphasizing "the inability of American diplomacy to get anything out of King Fahd" concerning terrorist networks. The reason? There was only one: corporate oil interests. Could this single explanation keep the United States from investigating one of the principal terrorist networks in the world? Yes--for the simple reason that the American administration had refrained from using the investigation as a means of putting pressure on its Saudi friends.
<snip>
It was essentially out of resentment, and because he knew nothing would change his strong beliefs, that O'Neill left the FBI in August of 2001 to take a position as director of security--at the World Trade Center.

On September 11, he was at a meeting on the subject of security at the twin towers when the first plane hit the building. He left to call for help and to coordinate the arrival of the police, before going back into the building to help evacuate the occupants--as if to save thousands of New Yorkers who were so dear to him. He died in the effort.

What this account does not say, and I am not sure of the source on this, it may have been the PBS documentary, is that John O'Neill was sponsored for the job at WTC by Jerome Hauer, who was also the one to identify the body (rather than John O'Neill's girlfriend) and who also advised the White House to begin taking Cipro on September 12. There is a much bigger story of nefarious connections there.

The ambassador to Yemen, with whom John O'Neill had such difficulties, was none other than Barbara Bodine, who was sent to Iraq right after the invasion to be the "Mayor of Baghdad" but apparently that didn't work out very well. Haven't heard much about her recently, but she seems to fade into the woodwork to be brought out again when there is a special assignment to be handled.

Forbidden Truth ran into considerable difficulty finding a publisher in the US, even though it was a runaway best seller in France. When it was finally published in the summer of 2002 in the US, there was another flack book with a similar title published at the same time (to distract attention and paint with the hoax brush?). Funny, well, maybe not so, how these articles,books, and out-there-on-the-fringes authors keep popping back up later in the mainstream media with hints at their truth all along.

I believe John O'Neill's story is a major key to the connections of the BFEE to 9-11, the Saudi complicity and the Iraq invasion. It needs to be told over and over and fleshed out with all the facts we can find.

Ma

[Ozirus]

110. PBS did a whole Frontline about John O'Neill

The Man Who Knew

- Ozirus -

[Melinda]

30. For the record, O'Neill resigned, he was NOT fired: Links

From the PBS Documentary:

O'Neill Decides to Retire from FBI

He hears about a job opening as head of security at the World Trade Center. It would mean a significant salary increase, but also it would mean leaving the FBI. By this point, however, O'Neill realizes his chances for a promotion were severely hurt by the briefcase incident. In addition to career problems, entertaining foreign visitors and O'Neill's lifestyle had left him in debt. The job at the World Trade Center would give him a chance to pay off that debt.

From Democrats.com:

Until he resigned in August of 2001, John O'Neill was the director of counterterrorism for the FBI's New York office, not far from the WTC. O'Neill investigated the bombings of the World Trade Centre in 1993, a US base in Saudi Arabia in 1996, the US embassies in Nairobi and Dar-Es-Salaam in 1998, and the USS Cole.

<end>

Accuracy and truth.

[goforit]

40. Hmmm...would anybody really know for sure if he resigned or was fired

from the FBI???

"Resigned Officially" doesn't mean squat in this administration.

Just like Sec. White just "resigned" out of the blue on a Friday evening "Officially".

Do you really believe everything you're told???

Did the PBS ever mention the amount of time O'Niel had spent on
investigating AL Qaida???

[goforit]

42. Accurracy and Truth ...with a grain of salt!!!....Don't fret too much!

LOL!!!

[Melinda]

49. Coloring facts is a GOP characteristic we don't need to co-op

You might think it minor, but it doesn't pass the smell test. One little error here, another small inaccuracy there...

Regardless the circumstances, the fact is that John O'Neill RESIGNED, he was NOT FIRED. And I'm not going to apologize for expecting that WE get it right, that we have truth on our side in this war. We HAVE to cross all the t's and dot all the i's and make sure we are spot on in every fact no matter how inconsequential it may seem -- surely you can understand that.

*edited cause I have no business being awake and posting at 1:30 am and it shows.

[ewagner]

85. Well said

Hold out for the truth. Make sure facts are unimpeachable. That's the only way to win an argument or a case for that matter.

[9215]

92. Good job

This is very important now as the facts come fast and furious. There was a Frontline piece on O'Neil called "The Man Who Knew" all about O'neil's insistence that the Saudis were behind alot of terrorism. He was virtually shunned by the CIA head after the Bush transition from the Clinton admin. IMHO if O'Neil had been allowed to pursue the case he would have broken open the Saudi link to terrorism and stopped 9/11.

[OzarkDem]

95. Should be fully investigated

by an independent investigator with subpoena power. FBI, CIA, etc. should all testify under oath.

[9215]

99. Beginning with re-examination of O'Neil's "cause of death"

he supposedly left the wTC shortly before the attack and then, with everything else that was going on his body was quickly identified by another security higher up.

I suspect he was offed then placed back in the building, or something similar. A good investigator could piece together just how his body was identified by looking at the series of micro-events from why and when he left the building to the time his body was identified and the process of this. That process was orchestrated IMHO.

[Athame]

102. Jerome Hauer was the one who identified the body

This from a Sept 02 9-11 DU thread
re: Jerome Hauer and John O'Neill It is great that Google is now linking to DU!!

NOTE2:
The OEM had it's "bunker" on the 23rd floor, which was constructed with the help of Jerome Hauer.

He was responsible for organising a security job for former FBI-Top Anti-Terror specialiist John O'Neill.

O'Neill died in the Twin Towers on Sep11th.

Hauer is also a friend of current anthrax suspect Stephen Hatfill. Both worked together in 1999 at the SAIC and held a speech together in 1998 at the CFR about BioTerrorism.
http://www.cfr.org/public/resource.cgi?meet!102
May 21, 1998 , New York, NY

" Building a 'Biobomb': Terrorist Challenge and U.S. Response "

http://www.saic.com/news/nov99/news11-30a-99.html


Hauer was also managing director of the crisis and consequence group at Kroll Worldwide, a security consulting company based in New York.
Kroll is the official security + bodyguard company for all american presidents since 1945.

Hauer was also involved in a shady business deal about West Nile Vaccines in 1998.
Oravax developed the vaccines.
Mainly responsible for this decision:
Hauer and (CDC) advisor Col. Thomas Monath (Ex-USAMRIID)/Oravax,
who is another friend of Hatfill.

Hauer started already to work as a National Security advisor to Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson on Sep10th.
He's now leading the office.
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/living/health/3020501.hym
http://www.lauriegarrett.com/wtc_day12.html


Hauer was also a member of the John Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense and later involved in the June 2001 BioTerror Exercise "DARK WINTER", produced by the CFR, CSIS, the Oklahoma Prevention Center for Terrorism and ANSER/Institute for Homeland Security (established in 1999)
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html

Hauer never explained the reasons for a Commando Center in B7.

After Building 7 collapsed, a few weeks later the CIA confirmed, that they had an office in B7.

Hauer once tried to blame the anthrax attack on Iraq:
http://www.lauriegarrett.com/wtc_day12.html

"...With intelligence pouring in that indicated the terrorist network is allied with Sadaam Hussein's bioweapons laboratory personnel, as well as missing Russian BW scientists, Hauer said they are scrambling in Washington to get ready.."

[9215]

114. Many thanks.

I want to know the mechanics of Hauer getting O'Neil into his postition at the WTC. Was Securacom (Marvin Bush employed at one time in this Kuwait run org) involved? If so how much, etc.?


Hauer once tried to blame the anthrax attack on Iraq:
http://www.lauriegarrett.com/wtc_day12.html

"...With intelligence pouring in that indicated the terrorist network is allied with Sadaam Hussein's bioweapons laboratory personnel, as well as missing Russian BW scientists, Hauer said they are scrambling in Washington to get ready.."

This shows a common interest with the Bushies big push to link Iraq to 9/11. :bounce:

He could just be mouthing what he heard, or actively, conciously promoting the idea.

I'm going to dig around in this.

Have a :beer: on me.

[saskatoon]

109. should be

You wish!

[Resistance Is Futile]

24. Here little rats, here little rats, ..... have some poison.

One cannot be even remotely certain that this is nothing more than a steaming pile of Texas bullshit that has been cooked up to justify another of the PNAC crowd's objectives: the conquest of Saudi Arabia. The Kissinger plan never died and these people know more than enough about how to manufacture public outrage.

[Pallas180]

36. The bushes have a 30 + year relationship business & personal with

the SAudis, including poppy and junior. Of course they
are going to cover up becaue they are very deeply involved
fiancially with the Saudis....one of the firms is a construction
firm doing 5 billion a year in Saudi Arabia.

$$$$$. correct.

Think about this. Carlyle-poppy owns a bank in one of the Koreas
Kor-Am. Junior's policies about North Korea was killing business
with the bank. Poppy wrote Junior a memo....instead of hardnosing
North Korea and LIl Kim which is costing us money, negotiate.

Notice that Junior changed his policy recently from hard nose..to
let's neogtiate - 6 countries and North Korea.

Now what do you think Poppy and Junior would do about their biggest
financiers and business partners, the Saudis, when they and their
financial Carlyle dealings are threatened?

Right. Cover up. The Saudi insistence to declassify the 28 pages -"I
have nothing to hide" was as someone suggested - "good cop, bad cop".

One other thing. The Saudi have billions and billions invested in the
market and the US. They have been pulling some of it out - but if they pulled all of it out, this country would likely crash. Not that
that would bother the bushes who have been raiding the treasury..getting their pieces of the action first.

Think about Carlyle partner and bush lawyer who engineered his theft of the white house in 2000, James Baker III, defendng the Saudis against the 9-11 survivors.

And that is another reason why bush won't declassify the 28 pages. It
likely would give the 9-11 surviviors the evidence they need to win
their case against the SAudis - and to probably sue the executive branch too, if that was possible....or atleast make a fuss for impeachment for the executive branch, NSA, knowledge and failur to
interfere with Saudi agents involved in 9-11

Impeachment time! - if Graham can get those 28 pages open to the pu blic

I think about the only one who could and would expose them is
Senator Bob Graham

[DrBB]

27. Okay. So WHY was the Saudi Foreign Minister demanding

...we make it public?

I don't disbelieve this story for a second. But what was that whole song and dance about--the Saudi demanding we release it and Shrump saying Oh, no, can't do that, sources 'n' methods 'n' stuff....

Anybody seen a decent, politically shrewd account of that little episode?

[seafan]

32. Just like Br'er Rabbit said.....

Please don't throw me into that briar patch!

Most likely it was a way for the Saudis to create the impression for Americans that they were confident there was no wrongdoing on their part.... *wanting* the report's release. They knew Bush would not do it, because he is implicated with them, up to his eyeballs in something he desperately wants to keep under wraps. May have been a mild spanking for the chimp. More likely, just one hand washing the other.....

This is certainly getting more interesting by the hour.

[Philosophy]

45. That's part of my theory too

But it also kind of looks like the Saudi's are calling Bush*'s bluff - they're probably blackmailing him.

[9215]

98. Agreed, it has the added benefit

of making the Saudis and Bush more distant in their relations than they really are.

[Ouabache]

58. Saudi Foreign Minister wants it made public, so they can reveal more

in their reply ?

The only reason I can see why BushCo doesn't want it made public, well possibly two.

1. If the Sudis were revealed to be almost fully behind 911, that leaves all the insinuations about Saddam's supposed connections to it as a rather steaming pile of shit.

and the BIG one:
2. If the Saudis are so completely implicated by the 28 pages as everyone thinks they will be, and since they feel they can ANSWER the questions that will arise by it being revealed (and also since *now* suddenly BushCO is the party that doesn't want it released) then the Saudi answer has to involve pointing a finger squarely at the BFEE in some way that it is undeniable that it was all initiated by BFEE ?!?

There has to be SOMETHING about the ANSWERS the Saudis claim they can provide to refute what is pointed at them in the 28 pages. Has to be.

[fishnfla]

61. Why dont the Saudis release the info themselves?

Whatever they have throw it out there?

[Skip Intro]

28. This is a whole new crime

I believe those 28 pages inplicate bush, whether or not they implicate the Saudis. But, for the sake of argument and "being a good American" (gag) lets say they only implicate the Saudis. What the hell is the President of the United States doing covering the tracks for the Saudis?! Forgetting for a (very short) moment all of the signs that point to a gwtraitor LIHOP, would not the single action of protecting the perpetrators of this massive, horrible crime make bush himself an accomplice?

[peacetalksforall]

31. test

test

[aquart]

71. After the fact.

I would think so.

Lawyers?

[Jack Rabbit]

33. Is there a connection between Omar al-Bayoumi and the Bush family?

Does anybody know? I'm asking for something solid.

FBI officials are seeking to question, anew, Saudi businessman Omar al-Bayoumi, who during his time in San Diego threw a welcoming party for eventual hijackers Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi and who put down money for their rent deposit and first month's rent.

In what capacity was al-Bayoumi acquainted with the hijackers?

The plot thickens.

[notadmblnd]

111. Maybe this is a stretch?

One of the other characters involved in this story was Omar al-Bayoumi, supposedly just a simple Saudi student studying in the US. The report has some interesting things to say about this simple student though,

"Despite the fact that he was a student, al-Bayoumi had access to seemingly unlimited funding from Saudi Arabia. For example, an FBI source identified al-Bayoumi as the person who delivered $400,000 from Saudi Arabia for the Kurdish mosque in San Diego. One of the FBI's best sources in San Diego informed the FBI that he thought that al-Bayoumi must be an intelligence officer for Saudi Arabia or another foreign power."


Turns out that some of the money al-Bayoumi received was from Princess Haifa Al-Faisal, wife of the Saudi Ambassador Bandar Bin Sultan, and daughter of the late King Faisal. The money then ended up in the hands of Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi for monthly living expenses while they rented rooms in the home of the FBI informant.

The checks from Princess Haifa were drawn on Riggs Bank in Washington D.C. One of the chief officers of Riggs Bank is Jonathan Bush, an uncle of President George W. Bush.

http://opednews.com/duncan_bush_should_cry_uncle_and_releas.htm

[peacetalksforall]

34. Islamic Institute Mahfouz Norquist

Check it out. The FBI is investigating the people and foundations that are associated with Norquist.

Norquist who brings us the plea to allow Reagan to be added to Mt. Rushmore. Who worked on the Washington airport name change. The petitioner for sainthood of Reagan.

Norquist - has his arms around the Saudis.

[grasswire]

38. look

One of the banks involved in the Saudi money trail is Jonathan Bush's bank. G.H.W.'s brother.

And Marvin Bush's partnership in the company that provided security for the WTC is another direct problem.

I don't know how much of this knowledge the country could take. I suspect that publishers and news executives are sweating and wishing they were in another line of work about now.

[PaDUer]

74. I'd love to talk with....

Neil Bush wife, the one's that are getting divorced..wouldn't surprose me IF she doesn't get what she wants, she'd open up on this entire mob!

[catzies]

84. Sharon Bush's silence has already been bought.

It was part of the divorce settlement. And for her troubles, I wouldn't be suprised if she is now a rather wealthy woman.

[Pallas180]

43. All abour Norquist,W, Reagan, Contra, Ollie NOrth......catch last para

about Norquist's travels....article | Posted April 26, 2001

Grover Norquist: 'Field Marshal' of the Bush Plan
by Robert Dreyfuss

From THE NATION

Research support provided by the Investigative Fund of the Nation Institute.

t's early April, tax time, and Grover Norquist is moving into high gear. The President's $1.6 trillion tax cut package is working its way through Congress, and Norquist--president of Americans for Tax Reform and arguably Washington's leading right-wing strategist--is rushing from meetings on Capitol Hill to strategy sessions with antitax activists. One minute he's putting the finishing touches on planned demonstrations in Washington and all fifty state capitals on tax-return filing day; the next he is juggling appearances on right-wing talk-radio shows and stints on MSNBC and Fox. And, as he has for nearly eight years, Norquist is coordinating the agenda for his signature event, the regular "Wednesday meeting" that draws more than a hundred representatives of conservative groups to a standing-room-only conference room at his organization's L Street offices.

Stocky, bearded and owlish, Norquist, 45, is a thumb-in-the-eye radical rightist whose tactical sophistication and singularity of purpose has led observers to compare him, with some drollery, to Lenin. A Harvard-educated intellectual and self-conscious student of the left, over the past decade Norquist has eclipsed such older stalwarts as Ed Feulner of the Heritage Foundation, David Keene of the American Conservative Union and Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Foundation to emerge as the managing director of the hard-core right in Washington. But while firmly planted on the extreme end of the political spectrum, Norquist has also built a solid working alliance with the Fortune 500 corporate elite and its K Street lobbyists. "What he's managed to do is to chain the ideological conservatives together with the business guys, who have money, and to put that money to work in the service of the conservative movement," says Roger Hickey of the Campaign for America's Future, who's repeatedly clashed with Norquist. "And he picks big issues." Besides taxes, Norquist is also the go-to guy on virtually all of the right's favorite agenda items, from privatization of Social Security and Medicare to school vouchers and deregulation.

Norquist gained notoriety as former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich's right hand in the mid-1990s--helping to design the 1994 Contract With America and rallying the right's grassroots to go to the polls that year, a drive he chronicled in his book Rock the House. When Newt crashed and burned, Norquist survived to become an ally of Gingrich successors, including Tom DeLay, the House majority whip, and Dick Armey, the majority leader. And since late 1998 Norquist has been George W. Bush's unofficial liaison to so-called movement conservatives.

Yet even while emerging as a Washington power broker, Norquist has held on to the irreverent, in-your-face style that has been his trademark since his earliest days as a college activist in the 1970s. "I've been a 'winger' from way back," he says. "I was an anti-Communist first, and then I became an economic conservative. I think I've gotten more radical as I've gotten older." Today, he can barely suppress his glee at how much the movement has succeeded, saying that politics is shifting to the right while he remains constant. "I started out as a right-winger, and when I retire I want to be a squishy middle-of-the-roader," he jokes, chortling at the thought. To Norquist, who loves being called a revolutionary, hardly an agency of government is not worth abolishing, from the Internal Revenue Service and the Food and Drug Administration to the Education Department and the National Endowment for the Arts. "My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years," he says, "to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."

Blunt statements like that are what set Norquist apart. "One thing that contrasts Grover with others on the right is his candor," says Ralph Neas, president of People for the American Way. "Grover does not mince words." In the battle over taxes this year, Neas and Norquist have clashed repeatedly as heads of the left and right coalitions on tax reform, and Neas frankly admires Norquist's skills. "He is a very good coalition builder," he says. "Grover has been one of the most effective leaders of the radical right on tax issues, and a host of others."

Raised in a prosperous, middle-class family in Weston, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston, Norquist arrived at Harvard in 1974 already predisposed to do battle with the establishment liberal-left, helping to publish a libertarian paper called the Harvard Chronicle and joining the business side of the Crimson. Graduating just in time to sign up with the burgeoning tax-revolt movement in the late 1970s, Norquist did a stint with the National Taxpayers Union and then returned to Harvard for graduate school. Trekking back to Washington after Ronald Reagan was elected, Norquist took over as executive director of the College Republicans, a post that brought him into contact with the rising stars of a new generation of right-wing activists, many of whom are his allies today. After a couple of interim stops, in 1986 Norquist was tapped by President Reagan's White House to run an ad hoc group called Americans for Tax Reform, an in-house operation to build support for the 1986 tax bill. Soon afterward, Norquist took ATR private, and he has run it ever since.

During the second half of the 1980s, Norquist detoured from his tax work to engage in a series of safaris to far-off battlegrounds in support of anti-Soviet guerrilla armies, visiting war zones from the Pakistan-Afghanistan border to southern Africa. Working alongside Col. Oliver North's freelance support network for the Nicaraguan contras and other Reagan Doctrine-allied insurgencies, Norquist promoted US support for groups like Mozambique's RENAMO and Jonas Savimbi's UNITA in Angola, both of which were backed by South Africa's apartheid regime (Norquist represented UNITA as a registered lobbyist in the early 1990s).

_ more - 4 pages more


http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20010514&s=dreyfuss

[dArKeR]

41. All roads lead to the Bush Crime Family - Bhutto told Bush...

In the late 80s, Pakistan's then head of state, Benazir Bhutto, told the first President George Bush, you are creating a Frankenstein. But the warnings never quite filtered down to the cops and G-men on the streets of New York.
http://msnbc.com/news/632825.asp

What about the Pentagon? They've got cruise missiles too?

[Pallas180]

44. Marvin Bush involved in WTC Security? holy cow - 911 survivors could

sue him....

>>Jonathan Bush??One of the banks involved in the Saudi
money trail is Jonathan Bush's bank. G.H.W.'s brother.<<

>>And Marvin Bush's partnership in the company that provided security for the WTC is another direct problem.<<

????

You know another cousin is a Federal Judge in New York?
named Walker?

[peacetalksforall]

46. And all distantly related to the Queen

n/t

[Paschall]

59. Huh?

Got links? Maybe Barb (or Lyndon LaRouche) would like to think so, but I doubt it.

Remember Elizabeth's family's original name, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (of the Hanover, Germany, dynasty) was changed during World War I to Windsor. Her own children should also have borne a German surname, Battenberg, but it too was anglicized to Mountbatten.

[9215]

90. George Herbert Walker Bush

Nepotism anyone?

[9215]

94. Got a link for the Jonathan Bush--Saudi stuff?

First I've heard of it.

[Pallas180]

53. W Bush poses for campaign pics with known Fl. terrorist funder

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_profits.htm

enjoy.

[peacetalksforall]

47. Ask not

Ask not what the hell your government is doing to protect you, but what you are doing to protect your government from itself.

Posted on DU a few months ago.

A great statement.

[leesa]

48. Bush will use this to start another war...PNAC intended to take SA

They know that bloodthirsty Americans will be in hog heaven because they can carpet bomb another country...another fireworks display... and Bush will be their hero again.
Once again, an entire nation and its innocent populace will pay the price for the crimes of a handful but they are third world folk so we don't care.

[Pallas180]

51. No. Congress has had it with his imperial wars. even republithugs.

.

[Melinda]

54. But what of PNAC, Pallas?

And this huge military-industrial machine?

[Rebel_with_a_cause]

52. Gotta look for my Greg Palast BBC video on the Saudi connection

His report documented the "hands-off" policy Bush insisted the FBI keep inre: Saudi Arabia.

[Pallas180]

56. Was Norquist & Safa involved in the planning/financing of 9/11?

FBI Raids Republican Front Group Tied to Grover Norquist

>>Last week, the FBI raided a Saudi-backed charity called the Safa Trust because of suspicious transfers. The Trust is a major supporter of the Islamic Institute, "which was set up to mobilise support for the Republican party. It shares an office in Washington with the Republican activist Grover Norquist, . The institute, founded in 1999 to win influence in the Republican party, has helped to arrange meetings between senior Bush officials and Islamic leaders... Its chairman, Khaled Saffuri, and Mr Norquist cooperated to arrange the meetings... The institute has also received money from abroad, including $200,000 from Qatar and $55,000 from Kuwait." Why is this coming out now? Has Ashcroft been holding up this investigation for political reasons?<<

[ewagner]

86. What is the date on this release?

n/t

[Pallas180]

57. Try this for Bush, Enron, Ridge, Afghanistan, NBC/GE & gas-oil contracts

Bush Turns Enron's Afghanistan Interests into His Own
By Harry Neville [e-mail]

George W. Bush is absorbing the Afghanistan interests of the now-bankrupt Enron and making them his own - while claiming to advance the national interests of the United States.

For a number of years, Enron sought U.S. Government support for projects involving the harvesting of oil and gas from the Caspian Sea region near Afghanistan.

As early as last year, Bush publicly supported such projects. For example, on 11/28/01, he issued a statement saying, "These projects will help diversify U.S. energy supply and enhance our energy security, while supporting global economic growth."

That consortium wants to harvest the huge oil and natural gas reserves of the Caspian Sea region near Afghanistan and build pipelines to transport the oil and gas to neighboring countries.

A Unocal-led consortium proposed a pipeline route that would stretch across several areas and end in Pakistan. In 1996, Unocal was negotiating with Uzbekistan to connect Uzbekistan's pipeline network to a Unocal pipeline that would end in Pakistan. A "second proposed" Unocal pipeline would have transported natural gas from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan and ended in Pakistan, near which is India, home of Enron's natural gas Dabhol power plant.

As recently as 4/19/02, Dow Jones Business News reported that Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Turkmenistan were "expected" to meet to discuss a natural gas pipeline that would route gas from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan. Dow Jones said the pipeline could extend to India, which is home of the Dabhol power plant.

Bordering on Turkmenistan and the Caspian Sea is Uzbekistan, a Central Asian Republic that is one of the largest producers of natural gas in the world.

A 10/22/98 article from Alexander's Gas & Oil Connections shows that Enron tried to gain access to Uzbekistan's natural gas supplies. Enron needed the supplies in order to fuel its Dabhol natural gas power plant in India, which borders on Pakistan, a country that could be connected to possible gas and oil pipelines from Uzbekistan.

On its Web site, Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw Project Finance Practice Group listed Enron and Uzbek Oil and Gas (Uzbekneftegaz) as a "joint venture to develop an oil and gas deposit in Uzbekistan."

The Houston Chronicle reported on 2/15/02 that "President Bush as Texas governor personally pushed Enron Corp.'s business interests with the Uzbekistan ambassador and Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge."

Tom Ridge is now director of the Office of Homeland Security.

[robbedvoter]

60. Check Palast's contribution to this:

BUSH AND THE SAUDIS SITTIN' IN A TREE . . . KAY EYE ESS ESS EYE EN GEE
The President Exempts Gays from Marriage, Saudis from Guilt Web Log
Friday, August 1, 2003
http://www.gregpalast.com/printerfriendly.cfm?artid=253
by Greg Palast

Also, remember the 9.11 families lawsuit vs SA+ Baker Botts is moving along and just got some lovely sworn affidavits for some of the 28 pages protagonusts. So this story is here to stay.

[Rose Siding]

63. Had they had ANY of this on an Iraqi official,

there wouldn't have been any trip to the UN. There would have been an immediate invasion with this info being the FULL explanation.

[kentuck]

64. Beware of foreign entagnlements.

Our very 1st President warned us about those and now, 278 yrs later, we have the leader of our country "entangled" in an unimaginable mess.

[jfkennedy]

65. Saudis have 1 trillion dollars in US banks

I'm not sure but the Saudis have some 1 trillion dollars in US banks the Republicans have given them in corporate welfare over the past 30 or 40 years.

As far as I know the Saudis are dictators and the Republicans are building the foundation for this country to be run by dictators.

The Saudis and the Republicans are so alike it’s laughable.

The Saudis are for the death penalty. So are the Republicans.

The Saudis repress demonstrations. The Republicans repress demonstrations

The Saudis are dictators; all the profits of the corporations go to the few wealthy princes. The Republicans perhaps not dictators overlook the corruption of the Dictators so their bottom line will have a profit.

The Saudis love oil. The Republicans love oil.

The Saudis hate Democracy. The Republicans hate Democracy and the liberalism that made our democracy strong for the past 200 years.

The Saudis are anti-union. The Republicans are anti-union.

The list goes on and on and on.

[ex_jew]

66. Given all this, why would the Saudis want to attack US ?

Their whole corrupt regime depends on US support. Why bite the hand ? Did they think 9-11 would strenghten Bush's hand without suspicion coming back in their direction ? I'm totally confused...

[robbedvoter]

81. Same reason Falwell, Robertson &comp what to blow up

the heathens. Some explanations are beyound reason.
There's also the possibility that OBL got pissed about the pipe deal with Afghanistan and used fanaticism to get his pawns to do a show of power.

[RainDog]

119. House of Saud and Wahabbism

Wahabbism is the radical fundamentalist sect in Saudi Arabia. The House of Saud made their own pact with the devil and consolidated their relationship with the wahabbists by marriages between members of both.

The House of Saud keeps its power by appeasing the radical fundamentalists, and by paying them off so that they won't perform acts of terror in S.A. ...and no doubt funding them is part of this deal.

The Wahabbists help keep the population ignorant and enslaved while a very few make shitloads of money from Saudi oil, and from contracts with American "infidels" who, in turn, make shitloads of money via oil contracts.

If S.A. were to pull their investments out of the U.S., we could expect some hard financial times...maybe the rich who have benefited from their own pacts with the devil (via oil addiction/profits) will have to pony up some cash to keep this country from a massive crisis.

so, of course they would rather protect sources of funding for terrorists...they are so patriotic, remember?

no doubt Congress is under pressure to keep the truth from the American people because of the crisis this would create.

On the other hand, maybe the Likkudite portion of the Bush cabal would like us to invade S.A. -- I don't know. They've been making noise about Syria and Iran, not S.A., which leads me to believe that they are wary of taking on Mecca and Medina...if they were to invade those holy Islamic sites, you can believe that we would have a holy war on our hands.

Congress should learn a thing or two about past attempts to hide the truth from Americans...as in Iran-Contra and Iraqgate and the Kennedy assassination, and the assassination of Iran's democratically elected leader in the 50s and the installation of the Shah, and the rise of the Ayatollah because of.

In other words, it is time for our govt to get right with god...or at the very least, with the American people.

On the first anniversary of 9-11, I wrote a letter to the editor which was in my local newspaper. At that time I noted that S.A., not Iraq, was the source of terrorism which created 9-11. I noted that Bush was protecting the Saudis and he should, therefore, resign.

My paper printed that letter long ago. With more evidence, we can all write letters and demand the truth.

I'm sick of foreign policy which is based upon corporate, not national interests.

[9215]

97. Your second question is a probable yes.

The Saudis need Bush like he needs them to take care of the oil bidness. Bush needed a "Pearl Harbor like" attack to consolidate and expand his base of support for imperial adventures.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

112. They're keeping the masses happy

It's just like a magnified version of politics in the US. The Saudis have their foreign policy, where they make scads of oil deals with the US.

At the same time, they throw a bone to their "religious right", which includes a large percentage of their population. When the masses are oppressed for long enough, they will revolt, right? That's been accepted thought for a long time. The trick is to keep the masses from thinking that they're being oppressed. So in the US, just send them a $400, $800, or $1200 check that's an advance on their dependant credits. What with all the talk of tax cuts, lots of people end up believing that they're the recipients of said tax cuts. Nope. They're just getting a loan they'll need to pay back next year.

In Saudi Arabia, you keep the masses from thinking they are being oppressed by giving a few million here and there with the understanding that it will be used to strike at the Great Satan, etc.

The Saudis are riding the fence, in other words.

[bpilgrim]

115. they do what the BUSH CRIME FAMILY tell'em to

we needed another 'perl harbor' according to the neo-cons to do what they are now doing in the ME 'securing' the oil for years to come as any good imperial power would do.

so they arranged one with the only ones who could make it happen FAST.

that is why they turned the heat off saudi investigations once they came into power it would interfere with their plans.

certainly plausible and the more we know the more likely it appears.

in any event the bush family should be barred from u.s. politics permanently for NATIONAL SECURITY conflicts of interest.

psst... pass the word!

peace

[jpak]

67. No No No No NO NOOOOOO!!!!!

I-raq was behind 9/11

Just ask any moran.

[are_we_united_yet]

68. Remember that clear connection between Iraq and Al-Quaeda?

Ira<q>
Al <Q>uaeda

[aquart]

69. What were we gonna do? Blow up Mecca and Medina?

While momentarily satisfying, the consequences, the consequences.

Still, I would probably enjoy a video game that let me blow them into smithereens. Just once. One big video explosion done with ice cold hatred.

But then, no one in a video game can feel what it's like to strain your ears for the sound of sirens, waiting for ambulances carrying survivors, damaged but alive........and hear only silence. Weeks of silence in Manhattan.

[robbedvoter]

79. Why blow up? How about justice? The one where you find

the guilty and bring them to court, not the one where an army of 200 open fire on 4 people - one of them a teenager as we did to Saddam's sons). Do we really need to get an eye for an eye? I really hope you were sarcastic here.


"Violence may murder the murderer, but it doesn't murder murder. Violence may murder the liar, but it doesn't murder lies; it
doesn't establish truth.... Violence may go to the point of murdering the hater, but it doesn't murder hate. It may increase
hate. It is always a descending spiral leading nowhere. This is the ultimate weakness of violence: It multiplies evil and
violence in the universe. It doesn't solve any problems."

-Martin Luther King Jr.

[hippywife]

70. I'm with the folks here...

that are warning caution over these reports. Any of the scenarios posited could be true. Neither side is known for being very truthful. Until the facts are known and from credible, named sources, it doesn't do any good to run around concocting half-baked conspiracy theories. Just keep the questions of those missing pages in circulation. What people don't know is sometimes as damning as what they do when it is obvious to them that things are being withheld. Sometimes it pays just to keep asking, "What's he hiding in there?"

[ewagner]

87. Well siad

Caution

Wait for the truth.

[DagmarK]

73. So, this ALL comes down to not *embarassing* another govt.....and our own

SHAMEFUL and DESPICABLE.

God forbid some become embarassed.........

I would like to read between the lines: If this info came out, it would take down the entire neo-con machine.....ie, BUSHCO.

We can't have that. Our national security is absolutely dependent on NOT exposing the thugs who run our govt. Yeppers. Seems the USA did just fine after Nixon took flight.

[Clyde39]

88. This will soon be "forgotten"

and put into a special file that will be seen 100 years from now!

[DagmarK]

75. I think Graham should compromise himself for the good of the country

and for the good of mankind, and reveal everything he is sworn not to reveal. (I assume he had to swear not to reveal what is in the report).

**I said this in another thread, and I am going to keep saying this. He should be a heroe to our country and sacrifice himself. A pardon would be forthcoming the day a new dem prez is INSTALLED!**

He could be charged with a crime of some sort...or just kicked out of the Senate. I don't know.

But if I were in his shoes, and this information were as damning as he claims it is (but can't specify), I would do the time. Just like Susan McDougal. (not that these are similar things, but she stood on principle at great peril to herself).

I don't know.....how many senators are on the intelligence committee? Like 12? That means that 12 people outside of the white house administration know FOR SURE what this report says.

For their country, they should reveal it together. And let the courts decide if they have compromised NATIONAL SECURITY. In fact, I don't think it would compromise our national security and it would certainly obliterate the White House's crediblity every single time they claim, "we can't tell the people X because of national security."

*****and we all have to remember that we are looking at the PUBLIC VERSION of this report. There is an internal fully classified version of the report that I think is like 1500 pages or something. It's big. And the intelligence committee has read that too.

It just irks me that they are ALL playing this stupid game when lives have been lost........10s of 1000s of lives have been lost, not to mention the horror of the 9/11 tragedy. And they are playing their little governmental games. And Graham is playing the game as well. In light of the grave horrors associated with this, he should stop pussy-footing around with innuendo and just SPILL IT. I know his intentions are totally honorable.......but it just seems that our democracy and god knows how many LIVES are dependent on this info coming out in full view.......

OR PLAN B:

Shelby and Graham reveal it as a partisan coup.

OR PLAN C

The whole intelligence committee has the classified internal version of the report and the 28 blank pages of the public version. If the Bush Junta can out CIA operative Wilson.....then I sure think that some PATRIOTIC senator can leak those 28 pages. Black out what he thinks is national security...and let the PEOPLE and the WORLD know exactly what the USA has done. We have decimated two foreign countries. We have turned the USA into the 4th Reich. We have bankruted ourselves causing MILLIONS to suffer here in the USA. And we have murdered 10s of 1000s of people, and continue our raping and pillaging of their peoples and their lands.

ALL in the name of 9/11!!!!! I feel terrible about that tragedy, but somehow, I don't think the lives of 3000 people justifies what we have done.

And I use WE to include our ENTIRE country: you, me, the dems, the repukes. WE have sooooo much blood on our hands.

And we need to get to the bottom of it. And 12 senators have the power to do that. Period.

[DagmarK]

76. And keep in mind that this report was FINISHED in Dec 2002

Look at what we have done between Dec and July!

What was the hold up? Stalling on the part of the White House to get those 28 pages classified.

It took less than 10 days from the day they had their final public version ready to getting it out to the people. They stalled for 8 months.........

Let's see.....10,000 people killed. Billions of dollars on an invasion. How many bodies and dollars is that PER DAY considering this whole matter could have been easily disposed with (through our own regime change) starting in like January......?????????

[DagmarK]

77. And had we gone directly to the money, Afghanistan could have been spared

Remember our reason to pummel their country? They were harboring Osama and al queda. Remember that little fact?

And our great president said the primary way to win this war is to FOLLOW THE MONEY. "if we cut off their funding, they are nothing."

Bush chose to NOT cut off al queda's funding and murder innocent people and god knows what we have really done to Afghanis.

[PaDUer]

78. AND, the Poodle...

another open book...something tells me there's MORE to this :-)

[DagmarK]

83. "And the Little Dog Too!," said the Witch of Justice!

Exactly!

[cureautismnow]

116. Plan D: The Supremes

Yeah, I know those Felonious Five installed the Unelected Fraud in the first place but if these 12 senators took this matter to Kennedy and/or O'Connor, perhaps, they'd come around to full revelation.

There's suppose to be checks and balances within our gov't...

(Hey, just like MLK, I can dream, too!)

:bounce:

[NashVegas]

103. Bin Ladens and Bush

Anyone wanna bet?

[Undemcided]

104. The house of Saud

is balls-deep in this. :mad:

[9215]

117. House of Saud got a kickstart by Allen Dulles in 50's.

He sure didn't do it to launch a massive democratization program in the Mid-East. IMO he did it to establish a base in ME for oil exploitation and to use Saudi Arabia as a safe haven for the CIA's international criminal activities like terrorism, money laundering, etc.

[Drifter]

105. If this is true ...

it is safe to say that the money continues to flow. The Saudis are playing AWOL like a fiddle.

Either AWOL allowed them to operate unfettered ... inwhich case he should be impeached
or AWOL is too stupid to see that the Saudis are involved ... inwhich case he should be impeached.

I like these choices.

Cheers
Drifter

[goforit]

107. YaYaYa......Heard this one before......OLD news!

Suspisions yet no facts and everyone lets this
WH get away with hell.

Can anyone get the action going?

[kentuck]

108. They are protecting each other , in my opinion...

The Caspian pipeline was in the works with the Bush Administration. Clinton had screwed up negotiations when he tried to bomb Osama in '98. It was the Saudis that had the most to lose if the Caspian pipeline went thru...who would need their oil? Bush,Cheney, and Powell tried to buy off the Taliban just prior to 9/11. The Saudis could see the writing on the wall. They covered their tracks fairly well but it is more than coincidence that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. And why were they in such a hurry to get their people out of the US after 9/11?

And they have the cards on the Bush family. They literally have them by the balls. This is why Dubya does not want the 28 pages released, in my opinion. But one has to wonder why some Congressman or Senator doesn't come forward with the information in that report, even though they are sworn to secrecy. No one can be impelled or compelled to keep a secret that might uncover criminality.

[mumon]

118. Now you know why Ann Coulter called her book "Treason."

It was just projection.

The Republican Party is a clear and present danger to the security of the United States.

That much is clear.

They have infiltrated the highest offices of the land.